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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow the Bush Administration let the Saudis off the hook for 9/11, and directed attention to Iraq
First, some initial context from the 9/11 Commission Report:Al Qaeda also collected money from employees of corrupt charities. It took two approaches to using charities for fund-raising. One was to rely on al Qaeda sympathizers in specific foreign branch offices of large, international charities-particularly those with lax external oversight and ineffective internal controls, such as the Saudi-based al Haramain Islamic Foundation. Smaller charities in various parts of the globe were funded by these large Gulf charities and had employees who would siphon the money to al Qaeda.
In addition, entire charities, such as the al Wafa organization, may have wittingly participated in funneling money to al Qaeda. In those cases, al Qaeda operatives controlled the entire organization, including access to bank accounts. Charities were a source of money and also provided significant cover, which enabled operatives to travel undetected under the guise of working for a humanitarian organization.
It does not appear that any government other than the Taliban financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11, although some governments may have contained al Qaeda sympathizers who turned a blind eye to al Qaeda's fundraising activities. Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of al Qaeda funding, but we have found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization. (This conclusion does not exclude the likelihood that charities with significant Saudi government sponsorship diverted funds to al Qaeda.)
Still, al Qaeda found fertile fund-raising ground in Saudi Arabia, where extreme religious views are common and charitable giving was both essential to the culture and subject to very limited oversight. Al Qaeda also sought money from wealthy donors in other Gulf states.
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch5.htm
Some damning links to the Saudi regime from a (long) Vanity Fair article from 2011:
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Inquiries established that, while the withholdings were technically the responsibility of the C.I.A., the agency would not have obstructed release of most of the pages. The order that they must remain secret had come from President Bush.
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There were, sources said, additional details about Bayoumi, who had helped Mihdhar and Hazmi in California, and about his associate Basnan. The censored portion of the report had stated that Anwar Aulaqi, the San Diego imam, had been a central figure in a support network for the future hijackers.
A U.S. official who had read the censored section told the Los Angeles Times that it described very direct, very specific links with Saudi officials, links that cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or coincidental. The New York Times journalist Philip Shenon has written that Senator Graham and his investigators became convinced that a number of sympathetic Saudi officials, possibly within the sprawling Islamic Affairs Ministry, had known that al-Qaeda terrorists were entering the United States beginning in 2000 in preparation for some sort of attack. Graham believed the Saudi officials had directed spies operating in the United States to assist them.
Most serious of all, Newsweeks Michael Isikoff reported that the information uncovered by the investigation had drawn apparent connections between high-level Saudi princes and associates of the hijackers. Absent release of the censored pages, one can only surmise what the connections may have been.
The coup de grace: Blaming it on Iraq:
In the 18 months before the invasion, however, the Bush administration had persistently seeded the notion that there was an Iraqi connection to 9/11. While never alleging a direct Iraqi role, President Bush had linked Saddam Husseins name to that of Osama bin Laden. Vice President Cheney had gone further, suggesting repeatedly that there had been Iraqi involvement in the attacks.
Polls suggest that the publicity about Iraqs supposed involvement affected the degree to which the U.S. public came to view Iraq as an enemy deserving retribution. Before the invasion, a Pew Research poll found that 57 percent of those polled believed Hussein had helped the 9/11 terrorists. Forty-four percent of respondents to a Knight-Ridder poll had gained the impression that most or some of the hijackers had been Iraqi. In fact, none were. In the wake of the invasion, a Washington Post poll found that 69 percent of Americans believed it likely that Saddam Hussein had been personally involved in 9/11.
None of the speculative leads suggesting an Iraqi link to the attacks proved out. We went back 10 years, said Michael Scheuer, who looked into the matter at the request of director Tenet. We examined about 20,000 documents, probably something along the lines of 75,000 pages of information, and there was no connection between al-Qaeda and Saddam.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108
And the rest is - as they say - "history".
dhill926
(16,953 posts)crime of the century...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)We need to push out the corporate sell outs.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Weapons, guns, ammo, planes, are all good for the economy......
undeterred
(34,658 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)It sure wasn't this stupid, far left liberal, or Senator Sanders.
brewens
(15,359 posts)was to send an immediate ultimatum. Probably secretly. Give us Bin Laden or we bomb you into the stone age! It was the Saudis we should have attacked if anyone. Of course it would have been better had the administration done their job and stopped 9/11. But once we had Bin ladin and exposed the Saudis behind him, we could have done whatever we needed to do. Much better than cooking up the phony WMD thing and going after Iraq.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)did 9/11 at the behest of PNACthe Neo-Cons. The Saudis were fellow conspirators.
FFS, it's the reason they stole the election and the whole nine yards.
That ain't tin foil hat. That is exactly what happened.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Sooner or later the Powers That Be will not be able to hold this story down. It's looking more and more like the attack was sponsored by Saudi Arabia and from there the dominoes will start to fall. This attack on American shores benefited a number of people. Were they involved or just lucky?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)How about that aircraft whose control system was remote accessed and hacked the other day. Front page on HuffPost, Drudge etc
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I heard the original tapes of the conversations between the control tower and the pilots that were housed at the control tower were destroyed immediately. I wonder exactly what those pilots were saying.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)American soil since Pearl Harbor.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Last edited Mon May 18, 2015, 01:34 AM - Edit history (1)
It was a complete whitewash sham as indicated by Senator Max Cleland who quit...a triple amputee war hero whose integrity is unquestioned. Democrats were completely derelict in their duties because they caved like the spineless cowards that most of the corporately owned ones are. Reality hurts doesn't it. People would like to pat themselves on the back for supporting safe, easy issues like woman's rights or minimum wage increases are frankly pathetic. Of course we support those. Only a Neanderthal doesn't. The issues that affect our time are 911, mass incarceration and surveillance and illegal wars. Figure it out and stop making us look like a bunch of pollyanna fools.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Why we don't go into Saudi Arabia since the "terrorist" came from there. It's like attacking China for Pearl Harbor. Stupid Americans watching Faux didn't care as long as they were from the middle east somewhere. I only hope this brings more sunshine onto 9/11.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)tclambert
(11,187 posts)to terrorists. Prince Bandar has such a close friendship with the Bush family, people often call him Bandar Bush.
If I had been President, I would have invited Prince Bandar to the White House shortly after 9/11, too. Then I would have hit him on the jaw just as hard as I could. I can hit really hard.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They were just doing what PNAC wanted them to do. That included Bush.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,154 posts)And glad to see that a MSM magazine is out with the story.
Which is not gonna help Jebby boy.
Ford_Prefect
(8,560 posts)Several reports made by French and German intelligence agencies referred to the same Royal connection. The interpretation was along lines similar to that in Pakistan where competing factions within the government funded and aided in other ways Al-Qaeda and other similar groups as a means of manipulating Western governments to get aid money or political power. It has been said this is a well established practice dating back to the Cold War era. Some have suggested the practice is far older.
The State Department as a general rule has denied that the practices occurred or still do. But FOI sources suggest it was well practiced by CIA and State during the Cold war.
We all know how much denial there has been regarding Overt and Covert activities during Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Why would it only apply to that period and not prior to?
JEB
(4,748 posts)This country is drowning in bullshit. No accountability except for the proles.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The question is seldom asked, is our Democratic Senators learning?
lovuian
(19,362 posts)it was a lie
douggg
(239 posts)required safe passage out of America when the rest of America's aviation was shut down.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,390 posts)It would seem.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)Thanks for the good post, YoungDemCA!
think
(11,641 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Diclotican
(5,095 posts)YoungDemCA
Nothing of this is news - for we who "got it" allready before the Iraqi war - that Saudi-Arabia was involved in the WTC attac more than they ever wanted to tell everyone - and the US government was the ones who was trying it best to keep the lid of that news out of the scene - as it would have blown any posiblity for the conservatives, and neo-cons to ever get their war against Iraq.. A war they wanted dearly allready in 1991 - but where GHWB said nay - and Clinton was not willing to play along - and got the Lewinsky affair blown up in his face as thank you... The Neo-cons wanted this war - and was writing a letter to the White House, asking for support from the Clinton Administration - Clinton was not even willing to meet with them - becouse he found them to be rather bonkers to begin with - and he had other things rather than going to war all the time - even against a "old" foe as Saddam Hussain...
But - after 9/11 most of americans got into a collective psycose - a psycose who they have yet to really recover from - and they wil not be out of it, before the truth, even as painfully as this one, is made public - very public all over the place - then, and only then can US really reqover from the Bush years - and maybe also get rid of neo-conservative ideology in the same prosess....
Diclotican
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Lint Head
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Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)JonLP24
(29,900 posts)WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists
Hillary Clinton memo highlights Gulf states' failure to block funding for groups like al-Qaida, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba
Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.
"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.
Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.
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(this was the meat of the article -- charity fronts the article actually leaves out the mastermind of the Mumbai bombings was a DEA informant though)
The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.
One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.
Meanwhile officials with the LeT's charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, travelled to Saudi Arabia seeking donations for new schools at vastly inflated costs then siphoned off the excess money to fund militant operations.
Militants seeking donations often come during the hajj pilgrimage "a major security loophole since pilgrims often travel with large amounts of cash and the Saudis cannot refuse them entry into Saudi Arabia". Even a small donation can go far: LeT operates on a budget of just $5.25m (£3.25m) a year, according to American estimates.
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Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority".
Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding
The 9/11 victims lawyers mentions "charity fronts" back in 2004, the CIA analysts in the documentary "Manhunt" very briefly mention a guy whose picture they put on the board next to Bin Laden as the guy in charge of financially specifically saying setting up "charity fronts", Qatar was quick to act in Tunisia with the charity fronts so painting them as "reluctant partners" is ridiculous. There is the Case Against the Qatar article at ForeignPolicy.com well worth a read but all of this really isn't necessary because this alone indicts Saudi Arabia.
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab
Pact with Muhammad bin Saud
First Saudi State (17441818)
Upon his expulsion from 'Uyayna, Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab was invited to settle in neighboring Diriyah by its ruler Muhammad bin Saud. After some time in Diriyah, Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab concluded his second and more successful agreement with a ruler.[33] Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab and Muhammad bin Saud agreed that, together, they would bring the Arabs of the peninsula back to the "true" principles of Islam as they saw it. According to one source, when they first met, bin Saud declared:
"This oasis is yours, do not fear your enemies. By the name of God, if all Nejd was summoned to throw you out, we will never agree to expel you."
Madawi al-Rasheed, A History of Saudi Arabia: 16
Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab replied:
"You are the settlement's chief and wise man. I want you to grant me an oath that you will perform jihad (Struggle to spread Islam) against the unbelievers. In return you will be imam, leader of the Muslim community and I will be leader in religious matters."
Madawi al-Rasheed, A History of Saudi Arabia: 16
The agreement was confirmed with a mutual oath of loyalty (bay'ah) in 1744.[34] Ibn Abd al-Wahhab would be responsible for religious matters and Ibn Saud in charge of political and military issues.[33] This agreement became a "mutual support pact"[citation needed] and power-sharing arrangement between the Al Saud family, and the Al ash-Sheikh and followers of Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, which has remained in place for nearly 300 years,[35] providing the ideological impetus to Saudi expansion.[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab
The article is mainly about the man but the founder of Wahabbism -- the ideology obviously came from them they supported the Muhajihedeen (I always spell it wrong) at the beginning and the Taliban in the 90's (trained, organized, and branded with the Taliban label -- 1994, I think was the same year). They are doing the same thing basically, ISIS too. The have a Hisbah (morals police), have the same range of sentences for the same sort of "crimes". Usually, a public whipping with religious indoctrination, they have a court system all of that -- basically another Saudi Arabia in their controlled territories. Most of ISIS foreign fighters come from Tunisia, Qatar was there right away with the charity fronts. Their second highest number of foreign fighters come from Saudi Arabia but there is a difference with they have the oil and likely the nationals do but they practice what the "House of Saud" preaches. Its so easy to connect the dots but they go so far to hide it when anyone with half a brain.
The Saud Dynasty fought bloody wars for 3 centuries to establish it & they were aware it could have been taken back from them again easily until they found the oil. Their timeline directly corresponds with the end of the Ottoman Empire. Had their large country, border, holy sights recognized. The ironic thing is most of their recruits come from countries suffer from post-colonization and ISIS particularly in Syria use Sykes-Picot quite heavily in propaganda -- the cruel irony is the same ideology delivered its crushing blow from the inside.
Mecca was taken back from them so many times -- this is what Mecca looks like today -- I'm hitting yellow triangle issues on my searches a parking lot was paved over the grave of the first Islam Caliph to make way for a skyscraper with the Bin Laden family name so the grave sits in the shadows
The Wahhabi movement was part of a fundamentalist/revisionist movement within Islam that would lead to creation of the first Saudi State, and its crushing by the Ottoman empires Egyptian viceroy Muhammad Ali Pasha.
The 19th Century Ottoman-Wahabbi war (this was just one of many battles with many names -- they left a trial of blood & beheadings)
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and the amir Muhammad ibn Saud launched their campaign to reform Islam and consolidate power in Arabia from their power-base in Diriyah. By 1805, the Wahhabis controlled Mecca and Medina, had attacked Karbala and the Imam Husayn Shrine.[1] The Wahhabis also attacked Ottoman trade caravans which interrupted the Ottoman finances.[2] The Saudi amir denounced the Ottoman sultan and called into question the validity of his claim to be caliph and guardian of the sanctuaries of the Hejaz[3] and the Ottoman empire instructed the upstart Muhammad Ali, viceroy of Egypt, to fight the Wahhabis. The Ottoman empire was suspicious of Muhammed Alis ambition, and thought that by ordering Ali against the Wahhabis, the defeat of either would be beneficial.[2]
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Painting of Abdullah bin Saud, convicted and executed after losing the war.
Muhammad Ali was ordered to crush the Saudi state as early as December 1807 by Sultan Mustafa IV, however internal strife within Egypt prevented him from giving full attention to the Wahhabis. The Egyptians were not able to recapture the holy cities until 1811.[3]
However, it would take until September 1818 for the Wahhabi state to end with the surrendering of the its leaders. Ibrahim Pasha, Muhammad Alis son, had taken over the campaign in 1817. Gaining the support of the volatile Arabian tribes by skillful diplomacy and lavish gifts, he advanced into central Arabia to occupy the towns of Unaizah and Buraidah. Joined now by most of the principal tribes, he appeared before the Saudi capital Diriyah in April 1818. With their march to Diriyah plagued by Wahhabi attacks, they arrived in Diriyah in April 1818. It took until September for the Wahhabis to surrender, in part due to Ibrahims poorly trained army. Diriyah was destroyed on June 1819, and Egyptian garrisons were posted in the principal towns. The head of the Wahhabi state, Amir Abd Allah, was sent to Constantinople to be executed.[3]
Aftermath
Amir Abd Allah, as head of the Wahhabi state, was sent for execution to Istanbul, while most of the political leaders were treated well. The empire was far more harsh with the religious leaders that inspired the Wahhabi movement. The execution of Sulayman ibn Abd Allah and other religious notables reflects the resentment of these extremist views. Religious leaders were thought to be uncompromising in their beliefs and therefore a much bigger threat than political leaders.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War
On edit -- this is the article
Saudi Arabia bulldozes over its own Heritage
Wahhabism, the prevailing Saudi strain of Islam, frowns on visits to shrines, tombs or religio-historical sites, on grounds that they might lead to Islams gravest sin: worshipping anyone other than God. In recent years, the twin forks of Wahhabi doctrine and urban development have speared most physical reminders of Islamic history in the heart of Mecca. The house of the Prophets first wife, Khadijah has made way for public toilets. A Hilton hotel stands on the site of the house of Islams first caliph, Abu Bakr. Famously, the Kaaba now stands in the shade of one of the worlds tallest buildings, the Mecca Royal Clock Tower, part of a complex built by the Bin Laden Group, boasting a 5-story shopping mall, luxury hotels and a parking garage.
http://time.com/3584585/saudi-arabia-bulldozes-over-its-heritage/