Want to know where Hillary stands on the TPP?

[Aerows]

Read this interview.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ndtv-exclusive-hillary-clinton-on-fdi-mamata-outsourcing-and-hafiz-saeed-full-transcript-481377

Those are her own words about it. About H1B visas. About all of it.

In fact, her own words about the trade deal are even more damning about the trade deal itself than the things we've heard about it. If you are still for the trade deal after reading that, or have any doubts in your mind what Hillary's stance on the TPP is, well, I don't know what to say to you.

For those that don't want to read the whole thing, here are some interesting bits:

First Hillary quote:

I was talking with some friends here last night and they were referencing about the jobs and opportunities created by the Pepsi, Frito-Lay plants here and how it is not only for the people working in the plant but also the farmers whose incomes are going up because they have guaranteed contracts for their products so there is a lot of progress but we always think that more can be made to reduce barriers, open markets to greater trade and investment. Economic reforms from manufacturing to retail can spark growth, create jobs and lower prices for consumers in both countries. Increasingly our strategic interests are also aligned. India is a regional and increasingly a global power recognized by its economic, diplomatic and military influence and India is taking on more responsibility which is good news.

Second Hillary quote:

I checked the statistics in 2011, 35 per cent of the L1 work visas that the United States issued in the entire world were to Indians. And between 2010 and 2011 we saw an increase in 24 per cent in H1B work visas and more than one hundred thousand Indian students are studying in the Unites States. There are so many links between us and we want to promote even more between the young people of our two countries.

I highly recommend at least reading Hillary's initial comments, although they are presented in a wall of text way, but they are out of her own mouth.

First quote - She praises Pepsi and Frito-Lay in India, and that all of the goods that go into their products are from India. How on earth does that help the US? They make all of it there, with goods there, and then ship export it to us. Does that sound positive for our economy?

Second quote - She wants even MORE H1B work visas which have already decimated tech worker jobs and helped push wages down dramatically. Does that sound positive for our economy?

Read the whole thing. If you aren't disgusted, you have a completely different goal for the US in mind than I do.

(sorry I messed up the html on the first post)

[onecaliberal]

1. She's made a lot of supportive comments during her time as SOS as well.

Clinton's supports it and always has because her corporate masters demand such. Anyone denying that fact just doesn't want to hear the truth.

[arcane1]

2. If it helps a multinational corporation, that's considered helping US even when it doesn't.

"Corporations are people, my friend!"



I was wondering recently about the Apple Watch. Apple is pro-TPP, and the Watch is made in China. If those watches are then sold in China, or in a TPP country, would that count as a U.S. export?

[MH1]

3. I'm fairly despondent on the H1B situation.

I think Hillary will be the nominee, and she will be far better than the republican, but she JUST.DOESN'T.GET.IT. when it comes to the H1B situation.

I had a brief conversation on the H1B topic with another politician who is sort of a protege of the Clintons, and it was disheartening.

[Aerows]

19. That one should be enough

to make anyone open their eyes.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

4. Pepsi and Frito Lay in India

supply India, they don't export back to the US. We have our own Pepsi and Frito Lay factories that supply us (which, coincidentally, we don't export much/any of).

Opening the India factories allowed PepsiCo/FritoLay to expand globally, and have different markets (and products). Sort of like McDonalds in Paris, or Dominos in Japan (you know they put potatoes and mayo on pizza at the Japanese Dominos?). In this sense, I agree 100% with Hillary. The companies make more money, and buy building the factories in the places that they service, they pump money into those local economies as well, not to mention the farmers that supply the product.

Interesting tidbit: All PepsiCo and Lays India product is 100% vegetarian. The same cannot be said of the US.
http://www.pepsicoindia.co.in/brands/lays.html

ETA: I don't know much about the H1b situation, so I have no comment on the second quote.

[Aerows]

5. That's ONE example

Now let's discuss things other than food products. Let's discuss durable goods, technology, and everything other than food products. (But note that we are increasingly importing food, including semi-processed and processed: http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/international-markets-trade/us-agricultural-trade/imports.aspx straight from the government)

The H1B situation is a huge factor in the decline of American wages. I highly recommend that you educate yourself on it - it is horrible for the 99%.

[Enthusiast]

8. How does the expansion of Pepsi and Frito Lay in India help American working people?

I don't think it helps us in the least.

[bvar22]

11. In fact, it shuts down the market for American manufactures....

..of Pepsi & Fritos (for which India should thank us).

[Aerows]

18. Yes indeed.

I can't imagine anyone that is a US citizen that doesn't directly stand to benefit from the passage of the TPP, and that is only the politically connected and financially connected at the highest level that will, thinking this is okay.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

14. It doesn't.

But it also doesn't HURT the American worker.

[Aerows]

17. But it does on many other products

and yes, some food products will be impacted. I provided the link on how processed and semi-processed food imports into the US are soaring, and it's from the government, not some rinky dink theory site.

I didn't get into apparel, durable goods such as furniture and appliances, automobiles and all the other wonderful things that US companies reap profits on, off shore said profits but benefit the countries where they are produced.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

22. I'm not talking about other products.

You specifically called out Frito Lay/PepsiCo, and I addressed that. If you want to bring up Hillary quotes on the other things you speak of, then do so.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. There are all sorts of American fast food chains here in Japan

And TPP has nothing to do with them. They've been coming here since at least the '80s. TPP will hurt local producers in Japan, though.

[Aerows]

16. Yes, it will

and any other economy that is sound and involved in the agreement, because then there is nothing but benefit to importing cheaper materials rather than using local resources.

Not to mention adding a dubious element to quality, and any country that complains can get sued.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Is this one of those "attack posts" I keep hearing about?

As if people don't need to know...

Thanks!

[MisterP]

7. "a completely different goal for the US in mind than I do"? nowadays that means "bankrupt America

to bankrupt the Philippines to pad Cayman Island accounts, and scream 'Republican DUPE!' at anyone who complains"

[red dog 1]

10. K&R

It would seem that President Obama and Hillary Clinton have the same "corporate masters"

I wonder why this reminds me of Eisenhower's "Beware of the Military-Industrial-Complex" speech?
(His 1961 "Farewell" speech)

[roody]

12. Does Pepsi or Frito lay sell anything nutritious?

[zeemike]

13. I think the message is clear.

The American worker is no longer needed
They can get all the labor they need and at a much reduced price.

As George Carlin said, there is a reason they call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

[wildbilln864]

15. k & r & thanks! n/t

[ladyVet]

20. But, if we don't vote for her, a Republican will win!!!11!!1

Not that I can see all that much difference, but whatever.

[NYC_SKP]

21. She loves India, has for years and years. Doesn't do shit for our workers, of course.

I loathe people like her, all she sees is the bottom line.