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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:40 PM May 2015

How “On the Ground” Are We in Syria?

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Soilders in Iraq in 2003. [/center]


The Saturday morning Delta Force raid that killed ISIS commander Abu Sayyaf and captured his wife was sigifnicant less for who it killed than for where it killed him: To execute the raid, U.S. troops, very briefly, had boots on the ground in Syria. This wasn’t the first U.S. ground operation in Syria, though. There’s been at least one other: the unsuccessful attempt to free ISIS hostages James Foley and Steven Sotloff in the summer of 2014. But the killing of Abu Sayyaf is the first successful ground raid that we know of, assuming that the goal was to kill the “emir of oil and gas” rather than capture him.

Terrorism analyst Bruce Reidel tells the New York Times that the raid looks like it was meant to be a “collection mission” to capture someone with information on the inner workings of ISIS. Drones, after all, have generally been the administration’s preferred method for targeted killings, whereas the U.S. has carried out a number of similar Special Forces raids recently to capture al-Qaida targets in Libya and Somalia.

The raid also raises the question of whether the U.S. will undertake more ground operations in Syria. The White House’s proposed authorization for the use of military force against ISIS, which has not been approved by Congress but can be interpreted as the administration’s self-imposed rules of engagement, specifies that it does not allow for “enduring offensive ground combat operations.” That rules out a permanent Iraq or Afghanistan–style occupation but the word “enduring” is in there to allow for operations just like this one: quick in-and-out special forces raids to target specific ISIS members or rescue hostages.

Early in the war against ISIS, the U.S. effort was hampered by a lack of on-the-ground intelligence from within Syria. The Abu Sayyaf raid could be a sign that the level of information is increasing, which could lead to more raids like this one, or drone strikes targeting ISIS commanders. The raid also comes at a time when, after weeks of setbacks and reports of internal strife, ISIS is on the offensive again, taking over several key sites in the city of Ramadi, the capital of Iraq’s largest province, Anbar.


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How “On the Ground” Are We in Syria? (Original Post) Agschmid May 2015 OP
Just the tip...nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #1
Wow. Agschmid May 2015 #2
of the spear...nt neverforget May 2015 #7
. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #8
We are not told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. merrily May 2015 #3
Should we be told the truth on everything? Agschmid May 2015 #4
Should a Syrian know more about how my tax money is being spent than I do? merrily May 2015 #6
So again I said I agree on this issue... Agschmid May 2015 #9
I think the instances when Americans are truly kept in the dark merrily May 2015 #11
You just need to feed on the line. And keep the war profiteers happy. delrem May 2015 #13
The USA needs to end any and all involvement in the Middle East. bigwillq May 2015 #5
Yup... Agschmid May 2015 #10
You've killed a lot of innocent people, too. delrem May 2015 #14
USA is going for a near total mercenary war. delrem May 2015 #12

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. We are not told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:45 PM
May 2015

I am not sure we can do anything about that.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
4. Should we be told the truth on everything?
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:48 PM
May 2015

Does that sometimes impact national security...

Mind you I don't think this is one of those times.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
9. So again I said I agree on this issue...
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:55 PM
May 2015

My question was more a general question about other things, I know it's broad.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. I think the instances when Americans are truly kept in the dark
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:58 PM
May 2015

solely because of national security are very, very few.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
13. You just need to feed on the line. And keep the war profiteers happy.
Sun May 17, 2015, 10:49 PM
May 2015

That's all.
And don't worry, even if told the truth about everything the US would still be gung ho for war, *any* war.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
5. The USA needs to end any and all involvement in the Middle East.
Sun May 17, 2015, 09:52 PM
May 2015

We have wasted some many resources, money and lives in what has become Obama's Wars.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
14. You've killed a lot of innocent people, too.
Sun May 17, 2015, 11:06 PM
May 2015

And destroyed a few countries. Created a lot of hopeless despair. Way to fucking well go!

The cost to the USA? US war profiteers and their banks have made out swimmingly, and the MIC is a rather large part of the US economy.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
12. USA is going for a near total mercenary war.
Sun May 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
May 2015

Because the USA doesn't give a fuck about the slaughter, the unending chaos, so long as it can sell arms, and drop bombs (every bomb is dollars in the bank for the war profiteers), and claim "no boots on the ground" aka "no precious US blood".


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