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Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:02 AM May 2012

Wash Post article - Romney was an anti-gay bully in High School - assaulted gay student

Mitt Romney’s prep school classmates recall pranks, but also troubling incidents
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By Jason Horowitz, Updated: Thursday, May 10, 7:02 AM

BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. — Mitt Romney returned from a three-week spring break in 1965 to resume his studies as a high school senior at the prestigious Cranbrook School. Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them — Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal — spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be named. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama’s campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story.html?hpid=z2


America has a clear f#%king choice this year!

Edit to add - This article reminds me of Republicans mocking Pres. Obama for saying he thought empathy was an important trait for a Supreme Court Justice to have. Clearly, a very unimportant - actually a negative trait - to Republicans.
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Wash Post article - Romney was an anti-gay bully in High School - assaulted gay student (Original Post) Pirate Smile May 2012 OP
worth kicking today.. the contrast couldn't be greater. . . n/t annabanana May 2012 #1
no surprise spanone May 2012 #2
Nope, not at all. freshwest May 2012 #137
Wow---just fucking wow. trumad May 2012 #3
Hmmmm. I sure hope we'll be hearing more about this. K&R lamp_shade May 2012 #4
This really needs to go viral. Shows his meaness and lack of character...n/t monmouth May 2012 #5
But, but, but........... PatSeg May 2012 #115
Me too. He remembers it alright, probably quietly thanking whomever he thanks that the monmouth May 2012 #118
And now Romney PatSeg May 2012 #120
Didn't dimson also xxqqqzme May 2012 #123
Yes he did PatSeg May 2012 #125
Thats because the bushes kill anyone who may potentially speak up. Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #129
That thought occurred to me PatSeg May 2012 #132
Well you know, Romney has that "selective memory recall" thing. crunch60 May 2012 #142
I know PatSeg May 2012 #143
met him in person and off camera icarusxat May 2012 #158
Apparently, he has some fixation with how hair is *supposed* to look... Zookeeper May 2012 #159
Yep PatSeg May 2012 #163
holy shit, that's bad Enrique May 2012 #6
I have a tough time dwig3d May 2012 #91
If Obama's alleged eating of dogs when he was 10 is fair game gratuitous May 2012 #7
I wouldn't hold your breath nxylas May 2012 #24
This needs to go to Rachel. Faygo Kid May 2012 #8
I'm pretty certain that she's already on this ashling May 2012 #119
Wow! treestar May 2012 #9
So he wasn't ProSense May 2012 #10
It will be. This isn't a blog or left-leaning publication. It's the Washington Post, Pirate Smile May 2012 #14
well we're disgusted by this however azurnoir May 2012 #11
I don't know about that...Still a lot of mullet lovin' repugs out there.... Tikki May 2012 #41
I am not surprised, not one little bit adigal May 2012 #12
Tuck Chodd mentioning it now. lamp_shade May 2012 #13
Wow. A "three-week spring break"? Damn, must be nice. Bruce Wayne May 2012 #15
sounds like the killings in Iraq for Emo hair riverwalker May 2012 #16
A conformist asshole and a bully then . . . . hatrack May 2012 #17
Romney's behavior is outrageous and indefensible bupkus May 2012 #18
Yup. That's the Mitt-Wit. He hasn't changed one iota. TahitiNut May 2012 #19
Borg Romney and his 'prep school posse': "You will be assimilated" FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #20
We are the Morg. Lower your shields and put on your magic underwear, you will be assimilated. backscatter712 May 2012 #25
Whenever I hear the word "pranks," I immediately think of bullying disguised as humor. (nt) enough May 2012 #21
And don't tell me this isn't relevant today--it tells a lot about his character. WI_DEM May 2012 #22
Agree wendylaroux May 2012 #35
agree maddezmom May 2012 #50
+1 uponit7771 May 2012 #79
Willard's new campaign slogan. Vote for the rich bully. sarcasmo May 2012 #23
Rich WHITE bully FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #42
I'd prefer: "Bully for the rich." longship May 2012 #47
I think I like the "I am borg, here to assimilate you" newspeak May 2012 #101
Perhaps his campaign leaked this to help enhance his "tough-guy" image corkhead May 2012 #117
I'm not surprised Renew Deal May 2012 #26
Emphatic K&R - American people deserve to know all about this coalition_unwilling May 2012 #27
unbelievable maddezmom May 2012 #28
another part of the article warrior1 May 2012 #29
“Atta girl!” riverwalker May 2012 #34
K&R. Sociopathic POS. n/t DLevine May 2012 #30
What a clAss act. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2012 #31
I have incidents from high school that I'm not particularly proud of... KansDem May 2012 #32
Mitt is Biff. eom leveymg May 2012 #33
Bullshit...the kid's hair was cut because he ate spoiled turkey off the counter! joeybee12 May 2012 #36
Wait a minute: Have we heard from John Lauber? What's his price ProgressiveEconomist May 2012 #37
he died in 2004 maddezmom May 2012 #58
Thanks. I searched repeatedly inside that article for "Lauber" but did not see that detail. ProgressiveEconomist May 2012 #76
no problem maddezmom May 2012 #82
He passed on, liver cancer I think. Mother Of Four May 2012 #65
I'm sure no one is surprised by this revelation. Even when he's trying to be "charming" he's a bully myrna minx May 2012 #38
asshole get the red out May 2012 #39
Not uncommon behavior for the time... malthaussen May 2012 #40
I think that anyone who would do what Romney did would have been JDPriestly May 2012 #69
This WILL kill his chances in November. The GOP is clueless on vetting candidates, it seems slackmaster May 2012 #43
This might help him with some of the RWers out there NewJeffCT May 2012 #109
Romney is very unpopular among much of the right because of his record on gun control laws slackmaster May 2012 #111
I bet Ted Nugent loves this.nt DocMac May 2012 #140
The wing-nuts posted plenty of excuses for Rmoney in the WAPO comments. Zookeeper May 2012 #160
That something happened a long time ago is often weak sauce as an excuse slackmaster May 2012 #162
The responses were just knee jerk. I doubt that... Zookeeper May 2012 #164
marking to read later tanyev May 2012 #44
Sickening. Skinner May 2012 #45
photo of the young hair Nazi Enrique May 2012 #46
I've said it before here, Romney = Greg Marmalard Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #74
LOL. Dead on, Gidney! catbyte May 2012 #130
he had/has predator eyes & grin eShirl May 2012 #92
This makes me like Romney even less karynnj May 2012 #48
Yep--not to mention blowing up frogs. classof56 May 2012 #83
He's a thug. highplainsdem May 2012 #49
K&R n/t Lugnut May 2012 #51
I smell a "gay boating" mini series coming they bonniebgood May 2012 #52
Huh? what are you saying? do tell. cali May 2012 #63
what are you saying here? maddezmom May 2012 #71
I wonder who would be surprised by this. I doubt most DUers would be. nt valerief May 2012 #53
Imagine the backlash if Obama had attacked a kid cuz he was White?!? catbyte May 2012 #54
Let's hope this is publicized everywhere. MineralMan May 2012 #55
Thats one of the qualifications Iliyah May 2012 #56
A bully with a short temper -- should make the debates interesting... Buns_of_Fire May 2012 #57
despicable -- but it will endear him to some of the GOP base fishwax May 2012 #59
Piece of shit, Mitt Romeny n/t ejbr May 2012 #60
How about a bunch of people who lost their jobs because of Romney's Bain Capital ..... Botany May 2012 #61
I hope the Dems keep this little gem ready..... Swede Atlanta May 2012 #62
Here's something else from the article that bothered me to read polly7 May 2012 #64
That's disturbing. How mean. TwilightGardener May 2012 #155
It will be interesting to see how (or if) ... surrealAmerican May 2012 #66
This little anecdote Turbineguy May 2012 #67
Gawd I don't know what I like better ... bayareaboy May 2012 #68
It's unclear whether Romney opposed the kid's gayness Marzupialis May 2012 #70
No doubt Ted Nugent is Smilo May 2012 #72
This has to go mainstream.....timing is curious. Chakaconcarne May 2012 #73
Good call Chaka zzaapp May 2012 #75
I agree; it's no mistake or coincidence. eShirl May 2012 #93
Fuck Mitt Romney. nt boxman15 May 2012 #77
Not so surprising that Romney was a bully... beac May 2012 #78
I can't belive this, I...wow....this guy is sadistic...please people vote...fuckin wow uponit7771 May 2012 #80
Romney has finally found something he doesn't flip flop over. Sheepshank May 2012 #81
Cranbrook School is NOT a "high school" KurtNYC May 2012 #84
"Governor Romney has no memory of participating in these incidents" groundloop May 2012 #85
and now has issued a non-apology apology maddezmom May 2012 #89
non apology apology & he has a bad memory too Botany May 2012 #95
Operative word "seem..." Aviation Pro May 2012 #90
Fucking prick cindyperry2010 May 2012 #86
But this is heroic leader behavior to Republicans. Kablooie May 2012 #87
Lurch the Fucking Stiff.... Aviation Pro May 2012 #88
Rant Of The Day HangOnKids May 2012 #116
"Go fuck yourself and the fucking dressage horse you rode in on, phlegm." Maven May 2012 #121
LOL!!! DocMac May 2012 #141
Given his history of animal abuse this is no surprise - TBF May 2012 #94
Thanks. Scurrilous May 2012 #96
The problem isn't the incident itself. I'd hate to be judged on the things I did in high school. LetTimmySmoke May 2012 #97
The incident itself is pretty fucking brutal, actually alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #138
K&R! We need to take down this homophobic, psychopathic skinjob! n/t backscatter712 May 2012 #98
people like him shouldn't make it to Street Cleaner. BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #99
Bush blew up frogs thesquanderer May 2012 #100
Mitt, your Delta Tau Chi name is "Brutus" KamaAina May 2012 #102
Mitt is *WAY* too square for the Deltas. He'd fit right in with the Omega House though. Initech May 2012 #104
"Thank you, Sir, may I have another?" KamaAina May 2012 #108
I keep telling you - today's bullies = tomorrow's Republicans. Initech May 2012 #103
yep, i wonder when similar stories come out about John BONER, Eric WANKER, alp227 May 2012 #157
Romney's going to lose it before Nov. AnnieK401 May 2012 #105
RMoney has NO empathy, none at all... Spazito May 2012 #106
He and "W" have something in common young_at_heart May 2012 #107
Why am I not surprised? First the dog, then the dog-eating, and now this. daaron May 2012 #110
Mitt again is completely lacking in courage aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #112
Great! More grist for the mill! ailsagirl May 2012 #113
Reminds me of the film If... with Malcolm McDowell Ghost of Tom Joad May 2012 #114
Fucking bastard! May he go to Hell! Odin2005 May 2012 #122
Right wing spin: Romney was showing his leadership abilities even back then. tclambert May 2012 #124
And just when I think my opinion of the shitstain cannot get any lower Rex May 2012 #126
Glad this is hitting the news - it'll make a difference to independent voters... polichick May 2012 #127
What a miserable POS this guy is. NYC Liberal May 2012 #128
A Bully? NO! K&R DianaForRussFeingold May 2012 #131
This is exactly who Romney is..... TLM May 2012 #133
Bastard Why Syzygy May 2012 #134
I think the story said he died... (nt) TLM May 2012 #135
A "prank" is pennying someone in their room so they hifiguy May 2012 #136
Assault is not a "prank". Why Syzygy May 2012 #139
Yep. Had they done this to a woman, they would have been arrested. TwilightGardener May 2012 #154
Just another reason Aerows May 2012 #144
Can Romney be the R nominee after this? abelenkpe May 2012 #145
It is likely that he enjoyed doing that. One of his first tasks in becoming a "god" over Earth. patrice May 2012 #146
America needs to know what kind of asshole this guy at least was usregimechange May 2012 #147
wow Skittles May 2012 #148
Sociopath... Brooklyn Dame May 2012 #149
This is the Republican way. Thinkingabout May 2012 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa May 2012 #151
They keep saying Crannapple or whatever is an elite institution. It is not. It is very expensive, mahina May 2012 #152
Good Gawd what an Asshole!!! SunsetDreams May 2012 #153
I knew it! Tripod May 2012 #156
I would be EXTREMELY sad to know that my son did something so very cruel. spicegal May 2012 #161
Romney is a Bully Punk Joey Liberal May 2012 #165
The "Poor Me" generation banana convention. May 2012 #166

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
115. But, but, but...........
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:36 PM
May 2012

people say if you met him in person and off camera, he is SUCH a nice guy!

I find it interesting that his campaign isn't denying the story, they're just saying that Mitt can't "remember" it. That sounds like a confirmation to me.

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
118. Me too. He remembers it alright, probably quietly thanking whomever he thanks that the
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:56 PM
May 2012

poor guy so he couldn't talk about it. Too bad the other guys have fresh memories. This is going to do him in, I'd bet on it.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
120. And now Romney
Thu May 10, 2012, 01:17 PM
May 2012

is apologizing for any "pranks" he may have committed when he was young and that he's quite sure he didn't think the guy was homosexual.

And Seamus LOVED riding on top of the car!!!

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
123. Didn't dimson also
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:01 PM
May 2012

plead 'youthful indiscretions' up to the age of 40 or so?

Members of the 'entitlement class'. ( Yes, they are a class!)

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
125. Yes he did
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:45 PM
May 2012

and the Bush family was much better at sweeping his youth under the rug than the Romneys. I was always amazed at how little we knew about young George, as if NO ONE remembered him.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
158. met him in person and off camera
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:08 AM
May 2012

NOT a nice guy. I was on stage playing guitar, when he and C Amiguchi popped in for a photo op.(right after the SL Olympics) As he strutted up to me to give me a hand shake, he noticed I had a ponytail. His look went from "hi howareya" to total disdain. He crumpled his hand and walked away. It took me a few moments to realize what had happened. He came bopping on up like a rock star, took over my stage, ignored me, and dissed me. Jerk would be an insult to other jerks who are not even in the same league as this clown.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
159. Apparently, he has some fixation with how hair is *supposed* to look...
Fri May 11, 2012, 04:03 AM
May 2012

He seems to be a rigid control freak, in addition to being a stupid upperclass twit.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
163. Yep
Fri May 11, 2012, 10:34 AM
May 2012

That's pretty much what I would have thought. These surrogates who keep saying what a "nice guy" he really is look like they are choking on their words. So far I haven't seen anyone on television who really likes the guy besides his family.

Damn, you're lucky he didn't have a pair of scissors with him at the time. You just know he was itching to cut off that pony tail.

 

dwig3d

(22 posts)
91. I have a tough time
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:27 AM
May 2012

believing that this spineless mealy-mouthed wimp, who can't stand up to Rush, Ted or some rapid tea-bagger, could ever be a bully. What that say about his prep school?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. If Obama's alleged eating of dogs when he was 10 is fair game
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:09 AM
May 2012

I look forward to concomitant coverage of this episode from Mr. Romney's past, when he was a little older than 10.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
8. This needs to go to Rachel.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:09 AM
May 2012

How did Mitt turn out to be such a creep? I actually respected his parents back in the day.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. Wow!
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:12 AM
May 2012

Rmoney keeps sinking. And people remember him from high school! Right winger have asserted no one "remembers Obama from high school, college or law school." Maybe they should have wished that for Rmoney.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. So he wasn't
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:12 AM
May 2012

a "wayward teen" who drank beer, he was just a fucking asshole who bullied other students?

Anyone wonder why he grew up to become a job destroyer, preying on people?

This should be all over the MSM.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. well we're disgusted by this however
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:14 AM
May 2012

sadly for Romney's fans this probably makes him more of a regular guy

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
41. I don't know about that...Still a lot of mullet lovin' repugs out there....
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:00 AM
May 2012

anyway, it's a woman's job to shear the strength out of a man.




Tikki



 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
12. I am not surprised, not one little bit
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:15 AM
May 2012

I knew he was a bully from how he treated Seamus. You can discern what type of person one is by the way they treat the powerless among us. I am comfortable saying that Romney is a borderline sociopath, or at the least a really mean person and a bully.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
16. sounds like the killings in Iraq for Emo hair
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:19 AM
May 2012

Romney is an arrogant, sadistic bully. His compulsion for conformity is pathological.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/10/us-iraq-emo-killings-idUSBRE8290CY20120310

At least 14 youths have been stoned to death in Baghdad in the past three weeks in what appears to be a campaign by Shi'ite militants against youths wearing Western-style "emo" clothes and haircuts, security and hospital sources say.

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
18. Romney's behavior is outrageous and indefensible
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:24 AM
May 2012

I wonder if he'll have the gall to say he's "evolved" or will he simply pull out his Etch-a-Sketch again?

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
19. Yup. That's the Mitt-Wit. He hasn't changed one iota.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:25 AM
May 2012

Cranbrook was infested with the sons of PRIVILEGE. I know. This is MY neighborhood ... was then and is now. I CADDIED for these elitist scum back "in the day."

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
20. Borg Romney and his 'prep school posse': "You will be assimilated"
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:26 AM
May 2012

"Resistance is futile"




The kind of kid in school most of us couldn't stand.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
25. We are the Morg. Lower your shields and put on your magic underwear, you will be assimilated.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:36 AM
May 2012

Resistance is futile.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
22. And don't tell me this isn't relevant today--it tells a lot about his character.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:29 AM
May 2012

The more I find out about Mitt Romney the more I grow to dislike him.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
35. Agree
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:52 AM
May 2012

and young asshole bullies usually don't change,they just turn into older mean,asshole bullies.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
101. I think I like the "I am borg, here to assimilate you"
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:14 PM
May 2012

better. After all, we must all be alike, think alike, no diversity allowed. If we are all alike, think alike, believe alike then there will be no wars. So, those who are different must be forced to assimilate or bye-bye.

So, a privileged bully boy, no surprise.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
117. Perhaps his campaign leaked this to help enhance his "tough-guy" image
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:49 PM
May 2012

but I would imagine if he were in a position where he had to defend himself, he would fold like a card table.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
27. Emphatic K&R - American people deserve to know all about this
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:41 AM
May 2012

sociopath before they enter the voting booths in November.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
29. another part of the article
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:45 AM
May 2012

But Friedemann and several people closest to Romney in those formative years say there was a sharp edge to him. In an English class, Gary Hummel, who was a closeted gay student at the time, recalled that his efforts to speak out in class were punctuated with Romney shouting, “Atta girl!” In the culture of that time and place, that was not entirely out of the norm. Hummel recalled some teachers using similar language.

Saul, Romney’s campaign spokeswoman, said the candidate has no recollection of the incident.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
34. “Atta girl!”
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:52 AM
May 2012

Romney is not only racist, homophobic, elitist, is also a mysoginist as well. He called the boy a "atta girl" like it was a bad thing, meant to be a degrading insult. Very, very revealing.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
32. I have incidents from high school that I'm not particularly proud of...
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:50 AM
May 2012

...and would like to forget. However, assaulting someone and altering their appearance by force definitely isn't one of them.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
37. Wait a minute: Have we heard from John Lauber? What's his price
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:54 AM
May 2012

for going on Fox and lying to Sean Hannity, "This never happened"?

Lauber now has the most lucrative blackmail hold ever on somebody with limitless resources.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
38. I'm sure no one is surprised by this revelation. Even when he's trying to be "charming" he's a bully
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:55 AM
May 2012

-just look at cookie-gate.

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
39. asshole
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:56 AM
May 2012

Mitt Romney is simply an asshole, no two ways about it, everything that comes out about the man screams ASSHOLE.

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
40. Not uncommon behavior for the time...
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:57 AM
May 2012

I don't think it makes Mr Romney any less worthy of rule. Since that would be a mathematical impossibility.

Look, anyone fool enough to vote for Romney isn't going to be deterred by a little lynch mob in his past. And if any gay person were fool enough to vote for Romney... then I doubt this story would deter him.

-- Mal

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
69. I think that anyone who would do what Romney did would have been
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:41 AM
May 2012

expelled from my high school in the late 1950s. I lived in an extremely conservative area of the country.

Students were unkind. They often were cliquish, snobbish and quietly mean. But physical aggression would not have been tolerated.

I also think that the social consciousness of conservatives has deteriorated to the point that many Republicans will think that Romney's behavior was great. They will support him because of it.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
109. This might help him with some of the RWers out there
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:27 PM
May 2012

makes him more like "one of us" in their eyes.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
160. The wing-nuts posted plenty of excuses for Rmoney in the WAPO comments.
Fri May 11, 2012, 04:22 AM
May 2012

Ranging from "It happened 50 years ago" to "What about Obama? He went to school in an Islamic Madrassa, said in his book that he did lots of drugs, sold drugs, shoved a little girl, ate dog...blah..blah..Bill Ayers...Rev. Wright...blah..blah..destroying America..."

Apparently, there's nothing Romney could do that would outweigh their hatred of our President.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
162. That something happened a long time ago is often weak sauce as an excuse
Fri May 11, 2012, 09:40 AM
May 2012

The most important thing IMO is to be consistent in whether or not you are willing to overlook something in a person's past just because it happened when he or she was very young.

I do not forgive Mitt Romney for his assault and bullying.

Zookeeper

(6,536 posts)
164. The responses were just knee jerk. I doubt that...
Fri May 11, 2012, 03:03 PM
May 2012

the posters saying, "50 years ago," extend the excuse to Obama eating dog meat served to him as a child.
There was nothing logical in their arguments, but plenty of rehashed vitriol.

Based on what we've learned about Mitten's character over the last few months, nothing he could say would end my dislike of him. However, if he had said, "I made a horrible mistake and I apologize to everyone involved. I have grown to understand the pain bullying causes to LGBT youth and others, and call for increased awareness and education about bullying," he would have at least looked like he has a clue.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
48. This makes me like Romney even less
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:06 AM
May 2012

But, I assume that the voters who thought they would rather have a beer with a bully who branded pledges in college rather than a genuinely kind person who risked his life to save another - and to add insult to injury described the bully as more "likable" than both Gore and Kerry.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
83. Yep--not to mention blowing up frogs.
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:07 AM
May 2012

Dubya was beyond reprehensible (IMHO) his entire life, including the eight years we had to endure his presidency. It was painful, listening to all those who sang his praises no matter what. I once opined he could have been videoed having sex with a pig and his supporters would have said it was just part of his Farm Animal Enhancement Program. Rmoney will be accorded similar slack, I'm pretty sure, by those who need him in office. I'm still sick about what was done to Kerry. I shudder to think what will be our national destiny if President Obama suffers the same fate.

Obama/Biden 2012!

bonniebgood

(940 posts)
52. I smell a "gay boating" mini series coming they
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:11 AM
May 2012

all have a price. If we believe anything in the bible, it's so true. "its easier for a camel to get.... you know the rest. Its attitude my friend. Attitude is Everything. I feel your attitude is connected to your soul.

catbyte

(34,376 posts)
54. Imagine the backlash if Obama had attacked a kid cuz he was White?!?
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:13 AM
May 2012




Unfuckingbelievable. Well, he must have just gained 5 points with the bagger base.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We ride inside--HISS!”

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
56. Thats one of the qualifications
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:18 AM
May 2012

to run for office of goppers. Mean spirited is the gopper evangelists way!

The insane party of no will probably give him a medal.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
61. How about a bunch of people who lost their jobs because of Romney's Bain Capital .....
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:25 AM
May 2012

Get a hold of Mitt Romney and tie him down and tattoo Job Killer across his back?

I hope the student that Mitt did this to comes out now and confronts Mitt about what
he did all those years ago. I hope he does it in public with the cameras running so
Mitt can feel the terror that must have gone through his mind all those years ago.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
62. I hope the Dems keep this little gem ready.....
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:27 AM
May 2012

for when the pukes start using wedge issues such as Obama, Biden and Secretary Duncan's support for marriage equality.

When I heard about the Seamus story I just about cried. I would never, ever, under any circumstances place one of my dogs in a kennel and strap it to the top of my car.

But that incident gave me a strong feeling this guy is just mean. This story about his high school bullying antics just confirms this.

Yes, there is a clear choice here - someone with personal integrity and a spoiled, mean, animal-hating, women-hating, gay-hating-and-bashing rich bigot.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
64. Here's something else from the article that bothered me to read
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:33 AM
May 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romneys-prep-school-classmates-recall-pranks-but-also-troubling-incidents/2012/05/10/gIQA3WOKFU_story_1.html

"One venerable English teacher, Carl G. Wonnberger, nicknamed “the Bat” for his diminished eyesight, was known to walk into the trophy case and apologize, step into wastepaper baskets and stare blindly as students slipped out the back of the room to smoke by the open windows......."

"As an underclassman, Romney accompanied Wonnberger and Pierce Getsinger, another student, from the second floor of the main academic building to the library to retrieve a book the two boys needed. According to Getsinger, Romney opened a first set of doors for Wonnberger, but then at the next set, with other students around, he swept his hand forward, bidding the teacher into a closed door. Wonnberger walked right into it and Getsinger said Romney giggled hysterically as the teacher shrugged it off as another of life’s indignities."

What kind of arrogance and sense of entitlement does it to do that to a 'teacher'?

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
67. This little anecdote
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:36 AM
May 2012

will make Romney even more attractive to teabaggers. The only improvement that could be made is that John Lauber had dark skin.

Not to condone Romney, but this sort of stuff was standard fare in 1965. We've come some distance since then, thank goodness.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
68. Gawd I don't know what I like better ...
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:37 AM
May 2012

Mittens or his friend, who BBQ a dog, or ted and his BS and bad hunting.

Which shall it be?
 

Marzupialis

(398 posts)
70. It's unclear whether Romney opposed the kid's gayness
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:42 AM
May 2012

As opposed to disliking his hair color. Which is an act of bullying for which he should be ashamed of. But like i said, it's unclear whether Romney did this because he thought the kid was gay.

Chakaconcarne

(2,446 posts)
73. This has to go mainstream.....timing is curious.
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:44 AM
May 2012

Something in the back of my mind is telling me perhaps it may have been known by the administration this story was on it's way out before making yesterdays announcement? Think about it.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
84. Cranbrook School is NOT a "high school"
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:15 AM
May 2012
http://schools.cranbrook.edu/default.aspx

C'mon. Would the great Mitt Romney be thrown in with the common rabble at a high school?

Seriously, maybe Romney would be different if his parents had not sent him away as a child. Kids need parents. People who are jealous of the multi-generation wealthy have no idea how miserable and intimacy-starved many of them are.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
85. "Governor Romney has no memory of participating in these incidents"
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:18 AM
May 2012

From the linked article:

“Anyone who knows Mitt Romney knows that he doesn’t have a mean-spirited bone in his body,” Andrea Saul said in a statement. “The stories of fifty years ago seem exaggerated and off base and Governor Romney has no memory of participating in these incidents.”

Doesn't remember it my ass.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
95. non apology apology & he has a bad memory too
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

“Back in high school, I did some dumb things and if anybody was hurt by that or offended, obviously I apologize for that,” Romney said in a live radio interview with Fox News Channel personality Brian Kilmeade. Romney added: “I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school and some might have gone too far and for that, I apologize.”

snip

I don’t remember that incident,” Romney said, laughing. “I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fellow was homosexual. That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s, so that was not the case.”

Asked specifically about having interrupting a closeted gay student in English class, Gary Hummel, by shouting, “Atta girl!” Romney said, “I really can’t remember that.”

“As this person indicated, he was closeted,” Romney said. “I had no idea that he was gay and can’t speak to that even today. But as to the teasing or the taunts that go on in high school, that’s a long time ago. For me, that’s about 48 years ago. Again, if there’s anything I said that is offensive to someone, I certainly am sorry for that, very deeply sorry for that.”

*************

What a freaking weasel .... and I am sorry if I offended any weasels

One time is an accident two times is really bad luck but time after time of doing mean things
to other people is a pattern. Be it as a bully to gay kids in high school, having a sight impaired
teacher walk into a door, or laying off thousands of people so he and his friends can make money
Mitt has a pattern of being mean.


Aviation Pro

(12,164 posts)
90. Operative word "seem..."
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:27 AM
May 2012

But they're not, you fucking mouthpiece, they're not.

Go fuck yourself you fucking ditch liquor drinking fuckwit.

Aviation Pro

(12,164 posts)
88. Lurch the Fucking Stiff....
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:25 AM
May 2012

...is a fucking bully; a fucking motherfucker; and a fucking rolling shitstain asshole asshat assclown poser.

Just like Two Shoes, Shooter, and the Wasilla Fuckwit this wad of fuck should not come within sniffing distance of the White House.

$500 goes to the President's campaign today.

Go fuck yourself and the fucking dressage horse you rode in on, phlegm.

TBF

(32,056 posts)
94. Given his history of animal abuse this is no surprise -
Thu May 10, 2012, 11:36 AM
May 2012

I would be more surprised if he hadn't been abusive to humans in one way or another through the years.

Great article from PETA about this topic -

Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animal abuse. "Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives," wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. And according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the FBI, "Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids."

Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser—it is a symptom of a deep mental disturbance...


Much more here: http://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animals/human-animal-abuse.aspx
 

LetTimmySmoke

(1,202 posts)
97. The problem isn't the incident itself. I'd hate to be judged on the things I did in high school.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:00 PM
May 2012

The problem is how the incident plays right into all the negative perceptions about Romney. When I read the WP article, my first thought was "Yep, that's Romney to a tee."

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
138. The incident itself is pretty fucking brutal, actually
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:35 PM
May 2012

I certainly have my share of high school regrets, and I suppose on some occasions I acted in a pack of guys and what we were doing was, point blank, bullying. I know that now, and if I;m honest, knew it then.

But at this level? Holding a person down (because he or she was gay) and actually cutting his hair. No way. That's a pretty extreme form of even run of the mill aggressive male bullying behavior.

The problem is indeed the incident itself, not because it "plays right into negative perceptions," but because it is symptomatic of a deeply flawed character. Remember that he was the governor's son at the time: he ruled the roost and brutalized those around him. It's quite shocking behavior in itself, actually.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
99. people like him shouldn't make it to Street Cleaner.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:09 PM
May 2012

Disgusting how SADISTIC (def.: taking pleasure in others' pain), conscienceless, empathy-challenged, pathologically lying humanoids are able to fool people and get rewards they don't deserve.

If only they had tentacles!! Then maybe the Great Moralizers would be able to fucking recognize them......

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
100. Bush blew up frogs
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

These youthful incidents do tell you about the character of the person.

At least some (all?) of the other people involved in the incident owned up to feeling remorse as an adult, it ended up being somewhat traumatic for these people to even be a part of it. But Romney--the one who instigated it--can't even remember doing it.

Some on our side my be socialist, but over there, some of 'em are sociopaths.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
102. Mitt, your Delta Tau Chi name is "Brutus"
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

as in Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake, the WWF wrestler known for "the struttin' and the cuttin'" -- as well as for his presumed homosexuality.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
157. yep, i wonder when similar stories come out about John BONER, Eric WANKER,
Fri May 11, 2012, 01:08 AM
May 2012

Mitch the CON MAN, Paul VAMPIRE-MAN, etc.?

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
105. Romney's going to lose it before Nov.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:18 PM
May 2012

I have already seen signs of the stress of the election getting ot Romney. I am betting he's going to have a meltdown before Nov. that will cost him the election.

Spazito

(50,326 posts)
106. RMoney has NO empathy, none at all...
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:20 PM
May 2012

for anyone but himself. I am not at all surprised he did the things he did in his elite school, appalled and disgusted but not surprised.

The cruel 'jokes' he has made during this campaign has shown the man has NO interest in others unless they can help him get what he wants, what he feels is his right ie the Presidency.

What a despicable, ugly person he was, is and always will be.

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
107. He and "W" have something in common
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:25 PM
May 2012

W has had a lifetime of bullying and loved to brag about his bullying abilities.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
110. Why am I not surprised? First the dog, then the dog-eating, and now this.
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

What's next? That's what I want to know.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
112. Mitt again is completely lacking in courage
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
May 2012

This is deplorable behavior, but sometimes young people do bad things they eventually come to regret and learn from later in life. But Romney can't summon the courage to admit his bad behavior and condemn it within himself and describe how he's changed (if he has). How can he claim he doesn't recall such a dramatic incident that remains so vivid in the minds of his fellow students? The further problem for him is that even if he says he can't recall the event, his lack of recollection, if true, is a sign that he didn't think (and still doesn't think) there was anything wrong with this kind of behavior. It's a reflection on his character.

Ghost of Tom Joad

(1,355 posts)
114. Reminds me of the film If... with Malcolm McDowell
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
May 2012

directed by Lindsay Anderson. Told the story of the harshness of English boarding school and how necessary it was to conform. However, the ending was something else again.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
126. And just when I think my opinion of the shitstain cannot get any lower
Thu May 10, 2012, 02:51 PM
May 2012

along comes this article...

The man is un-electable.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
127. Glad this is hitting the news - it'll make a difference to independent voters...
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:32 PM
May 2012

...although Republicans will probably like him more.

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
131. A Bully? NO! K&R
Thu May 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
May 2012

Last edited Thu May 10, 2012, 07:42 PM - Edit history (3)

The Choice IS Very Clear!

Guiding Principles
"President Obama recognizes that our civil rights laws and principles are at the core of our nation. He has spent much of his career fighting to strengthen civil rights – as a community organizer, civil rights lawyer, Illinois State Senator, U.S. Senator, and now as President. He knows that our country grows stronger when all Americans have access to opportunity and are able to participate fully in our economy."
"IT GETS BETTER"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/civil-rights

No Integrity!
Check this out:
"How the Left Sunk the Swiftboating of Barack Obama"
"Alan Colmes radio show" "thanks to Alan Colmes for sticking it to this guy.
But will the people who need to hear this hear (or read) it? Or will people be buffaloed by this character as they were by the original Swift Boaters in 2004?
How do we get this article and the Colmes interview out to the people who need to hear it?"
http://www.politicususa.com/abandon-ship-how-the-left-sunk-the-swiftboating-of-barack-obama.html
Video at link..

TLM

(6,761 posts)
133. This is exactly who Romney is.....
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:13 PM
May 2012



He is the sadistic arrogant aristocrat bully. Religious fervor mixed with the inner belief of an almost royal birthright to rule over those he views as his inferiors. If you fail to conform, you’ll be made to conform. If you are too weak to fight back, you will be exploited and discarded. The unwashed rabble exist only for the enrichment of the elite.

In Romney’s mind a long haired hippy queer was no more or less human than the dog he strapped to the roof of his car, and no more or less deserving of compassion or consideration. If you are not one of his class, you are nothing but an inconvenience… you are not human. This core value is reflected when guys like Romney compare gay marriage to a man on dog marriage… they do not view homosexuals as human beings.

This same outlook extends to anybody who is not in their class… you’re poor, you’re gay, you’re liberal, you’re brown…. To Romney, you’re not human. Or at least you are some lesser form of human that doesn’t warrant the same level of consideration as real people, like him and his wealthy friends.

Why Syzygy

(18,928 posts)
134. Bastard
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:16 PM
May 2012

Where is Lauber now? Doing very well I hope!

This incident describes ASSAULT. Has the statute of limitations expired? Prosecute!


I lost a wonderful high school friend to this kind of HATE/Insanity. Keyboard cannot express my outrage

He needs to be strapped to a car roof and take a long drive off a short pier.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
136. A "prank" is pennying someone in their room so they
Thu May 10, 2012, 04:47 PM
May 2012

can't get out, dragging the contents of someone's room out into the quad, or putting a horse in the dean's office. Assault is not a "prank." I didn't think anything could make me hold Mittens in lower regard. I was wrong.

Why Syzygy

(18,928 posts)
139. Assault is not a "prank".
Thu May 10, 2012, 05:48 PM
May 2012

Exactly. This is the description of a Hate Crime. Those laws may not have been on the books in those days.

I HATE bullies! They don't like me either because I will kick their ass if they think they're messing with me or mine.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
144. Just another reason
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:09 PM
May 2012

Why this horrible individual shouldn't be within spitting distance of the White House. Stay tuned, I'm sure next week we will see yet another reason. Of course, that's what I said last week, too, when he did something equally horrible.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
145. Can Romney be the R nominee after this?
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:12 PM
May 2012

Who can justify this behavior? Will someone else end up as nominee?

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
148. wow
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

I know we all do stupid things as young students but this is not a prank - this the work of a sadist. Seamus knows too.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
150. This is the Republican way.
Thu May 10, 2012, 09:07 PM
May 2012

They proudly developed swift boat and used it to destroy hero Kerry, they do not have any shame. Now they have lived by the sword they might just die by the sword. They lie and when the story turns on them they start whining.

Response to Pirate Smile (Original post)

mahina

(17,651 posts)
152. They keep saying Crannapple or whatever is an elite institution. It is not. It is very expensive,
Thu May 10, 2012, 10:27 PM
May 2012

but in terms of academics, it is nothing special at all.

Much like some! (Willard and Dullard come to mind first.)

spicegal

(758 posts)
161. I would be EXTREMELY sad to know that my son did something so very cruel.
Fri May 11, 2012, 06:56 AM
May 2012

It's mean spirited bullying and shows a lack of empathy, regardless of the young man's sexual orientation. I find it remarkable that Romney would have no recollection. Sounds like he was "leader of the pack".

 
166. The "Poor Me" generation
Sat May 12, 2012, 05:35 PM
May 2012

(Hey, I coined that just now, I think, so give credit where it's due!)

Puleeze, stand in line, gay people. Next to the geeks, next to the chubbettes, next to the kids like me with upside down Nikes (some off-brand bought overseas in 1981). There are a million reasons people get bullied.

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