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blindpig

(11,292 posts)
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:28 AM Dec 2011

No More “Green Capitalism”, An assessment of the failure of the Durban summit on the climate


No More “Green Capitalism”, An assessment of the failure of the Durban summit on the climate

Josep Maria Antentas & Esther Vivas

We will save the markets, not the climate. That is how we can summarize the outcome of the 17th Conference of Parties (COP17) to the United Nations Framework on Climate Change (UNFCC) which took place in Durban, South Africa between 28 November and 10 December 2011. There is a striking contrast between the rapid response by governments and international institutions at the onset of the economic and financial crisis of 2007-08 in bailing out private banks with public money and the complete immobility they demonstrate in response to climate change. Yet this should not surprise us, because in both cases it is the markets and their accomplices in government who come out as winners.

There were two central themes at the Durban summit; first, the future of the Kyoto Protocol which expires in 2012 and the ability to put in place mechanisms to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and, secondly, the launch of the Green Climate Fund approved at the previous summit in Cancun (Mexico) with the theoretical aim of supporting the poorest countries to face the consequences of climate change through projects of mitigation and adaptation.

After Durban, we can say that a second phase of the Kyoto Protocol remains empty of content. They postponed any real action until 2020 and ruled out any binding regulations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It was the representatives of the most polluting countries, headed by the United States, who argued for an agreement based on voluntary reductions and opposed any binding mechanism. The Kyoto Protocol was already inadequate, and its strict application would lead to a small slowdown of global warming. But now we are on a path that can only make the situation much worse.

With regard to the Green Climate Fund, as a first step, rich countries pledged to contribute up to $ 30 billion in 2012 and 100 billion per year until 2020. In the first place these amounts are insufficient. Further, no source of public funds has been identified. Therefore, the doors are wide open to private investment run by the World Bank. As has already been noted by social movements, this is a strategy to “transform the Green Climate Fund into a greedy employers’ fund”. Once again they are making profits from the climate crisis and environmental pollution (investment banks have already developed a range of financial instruments to intervene in what is called the carbon market, emissions, etc.)

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No More “Green Capitalism”, An assessment of the failure of the Durban summit on the climate (Original Post) blindpig Dec 2011 OP
Must Watch: The Amazing Empowering Voice of Youth at Durban SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #1
Thanks for the inspiration. Magoo48 Dec 2011 #4
It is amazingly resonant, isn't it? SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #5
The UN's push for an eco-fascist world government is what prevented the adoption of a sensible Bogart Dec 2011 #2
so capitalist's interests had nothing to do with it? blindpig Dec 2011 #3
Well, the West is capitalist and they (we) are interested in surviving; Bogart Dec 2011 #10
"We?" blindpig Dec 2011 #14
Nonsense, capitalism facilitated the evolution of the most advanced civilizations in the history of Bogart Dec 2011 #15
Yes, it has.... blindpig Dec 2011 #17
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #19
Using anti-capitalist propaganda does not make one a socialist. blindpig Dec 2011 #21
For the mass of people, capitalism was slightly better than feudalism socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #23
Can you provide a link to back up your assertion? lunatica Dec 2011 #6
That depends heavily on what is being said ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #8
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp38.pdf Bogart Dec 2011 #12
I don't get the paranoia about the UN pushing whatever people seem to fear. lunatica Dec 2011 #16
The key difference was that instead of "going direct" the UN was going to broker things heavily ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #18
That was some of the objections ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2011 #7
By and large.... blindpig Dec 2011 #9
Do you have a link? lunatica Dec 2011 #11
According to the draft, the aim was to create a "legally-binding instrument/outcome". Bogart Dec 2011 #13
Oh noes, teh scary UN black helicopters!!! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #26
The US is stuck on stupid... no INSANE upi402 Dec 2011 #20
There ain't no "green" capitalism. Just like there ain't no socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #22
Big problem with the environmental movement.... blindpig Dec 2011 #24
That's actually the big problem with ALL of the single issue socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #28
Yes, indeed. blindpig Dec 2011 #29
Amen to all this. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #25
Green Capitalism is an oxymoron. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #27
kick blindpig Dec 2011 #30
 

Bogart

(178 posts)
2. The UN's push for an eco-fascist world government is what prevented the adoption of a sensible
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:41 AM
Dec 2011

climate change treaty.

It was the UN, not the third-world countries, that would have gotten the money. The fact that there was no provision for the UN to publish accounts of how it would spend the $100 billion/yr the draft called for, was a hard sell.

 

blindpig

(11,292 posts)
3. so capitalist's interests had nothing to do with it?
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:49 AM
Dec 2011

The capitalist's powers saved humanity from UN tyranny?

Got black helicopters?
 

Bogart

(178 posts)
10. Well, the West is capitalist and they (we) are interested in surviving;
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 09:26 AM
Dec 2011

so obvioulsy, we had something to do with it.

The so-called "Right to survive" and the "International Climate Court," would have had a genocidal effect on the West.

 

blindpig

(11,292 posts)
14. "We?"
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 09:58 AM
Dec 2011

You got a mouse in your pocket? I for one do not identify with our capitalist master's death wish for our planet and the majority of humanity. Capitalism is having a 'genocidal effect' worldwide as we speak.
 

Bogart

(178 posts)
15. Nonsense, capitalism facilitated the evolution of the most advanced civilizations in the history of
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:16 AM
Dec 2011

the world. Conversely, Hitler's and Stalin's socialism was responsible for its most horrific genocides.

 

blindpig

(11,292 posts)
17. Yes, it has....
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:31 AM
Dec 2011

but at the cost of inflicting terrible hardship on most of humanity and wrecking our environment at a breakneck pace. It's time is necessarily past, we must take that productive capability and use it for the benefit of all humanity.

Hitler was not a socialist.

The misdeeds of "Stalin's socialism" have been fantastically exaggerated.

Response to blindpig (Reply #17)

 

blindpig

(11,292 posts)
21. Using anti-capitalist propaganda does not make one a socialist.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 11:25 AM
Dec 2011

What is fascism but militant capitalism with a populist veneer?

The 'viable option' has been present for 150 years.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
23. For the mass of people, capitalism was slightly better than feudalism
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 11:54 AM
Dec 2011

But now it's outlived it usefulness and is turning into a neofeudalism. Time to take the next step.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
6. Can you provide a link to back up your assertion?
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 09:05 AM
Dec 2011

It's pretty much a must at DU. People here tend not to just swallow anything that's pushed as facts without some back up.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
16. I don't get the paranoia about the UN pushing whatever people seem to fear.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:27 AM
Dec 2011

What organization do you think should take this on? Or what country? The US? It's part of the UN. So are hundreds of other countries, including developing and third world countries.

I read nowhere in the pdf file that states they aren't accountable for what happens to the money.

Thanks for the link.

edited to add the last sentence

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
18. The key difference was that instead of "going direct" the UN was going to broker things heavily
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 10:57 AM
Dec 2011

than in the past. That upset the recipient nations. The reasons varied, but it was certainly one of the issues.



 

Bogart

(178 posts)
13. According to the draft, the aim was to create a "legally-binding instrument/outcome".
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 09:55 AM
Dec 2011

On the basis of drafts as in-your-face idiotic as this, no legally-binding climate treaty will ever be signed.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
20. The US is stuck on stupid... no INSANE
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 11:12 AM
Dec 2011

We could have many jobs if we initiated a green initiative.

But oil money is a helluva drug.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
22. There ain't no "green" capitalism. Just like there ain't no
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 11:51 AM
Dec 2011

"conscious" capitalism or "compassionate" capitalism. It's ALL capitalism and it's bottom line is profit. "Green" policies get in the way of profit, so OF COURSE, it won't be instituted. Just like consciousness and compassion get in the way of profit and, as such, won't be instituted.

All of these different "types" of capitalism are just marketing schemes to make an anti-people system more palateable for a little while longer. So the 1% can make more profit.

 

blindpig

(11,292 posts)
24. Big problem with the environmental movement....
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 12:08 PM
Dec 2011

is that it is entirely conceived within the structure of capitalism. That'll never, ever work, the scant success of the movement over 40 years is testimony to this intractable constraint.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
28. That's actually the big problem with ALL of the single issue
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
Dec 2011

"movements". They don't put their grievences in a meta context. Which Marxism does. The political, social and economics are ALL interrelated and boil down to ownership. Whoever owns the means of production owns it ALL and you're not going to be able to get any significient changes done UNTIL you have economic democracy. That's when you'll see enviromental changes that actually WORK for the rest of us. And social changes for various oppressed minorities (including religious minorities I might add) that work for the rest of us. And political changes that results in a purer form of democracy that benefits ALL of us and not just the owners.

ALL these single issue problems, no matter how grievious, have to be placed in the context of economic democracy. That is the biggest achievement of the Occupy movement to this point. They HAVE placed everything in the meta context of economic injustice. It's just a short step from economic injustice to the SOLUTION for economic injustice. That's economic democracy.

Starry Messenger

(32,380 posts)
25. Amen to all this.
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 12:09 PM
Dec 2011

"The movement for Climate Justice shows the need to focus our lives and the planet against the commodification of nature and the commons. Capitalism and its elites are unable to provide a comprehensive response to the socio-climate crisis which has led us to a productivist and predatory system. If we are not to exacerbate the climate crisis with all its consequences we must fundamentally change this system. The well-known environmental activist Nnimmo Bassey said very clearly: “The summit amplified climate apartheid, where the 1% richest in the world decided it was acceptable to sacrifice the remaining 99%.”"

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