Got it. Unions are just like corporations.

[cali]

When it comes to being involved in politics, unions are no better or worse than corporations. Forget that they have entirely different objectives. Forget that Unions are the 90 lb weakling on the beach and corporations are the steroid driven 250 lb bully. Hey, don't forget; Churches can be corporations to... or something. And if a corporation is pro-LGBT, all other sins are automatically expiated, wiped out of existence.

Taking donations from Monsanto or Citibank is no different than taking donations from the NEA or the SEIU because teachers and hotel workers are exactly like CEOs.

This stuff couldn't sound more right wing if it tried. Just go to Free Republic and it's precisely what you'll see about Unions.

Every criticism posted about HRC is met by at least one person- and usually many people- screaming that it's a right wing attack, but there is no fucking hesitation at all, on the part of those self-same people in using right wing attacks in defense of HRC. I don't know if this is part and parcel of the HRC rapid response message or independent of it, but it's become a standard feature.

And the same thing is true regarding the TPP. The defense of it is largely a right wing defense, but I digress.

I never ever thought I'd see the day here. It's arrived- with a bang.

[NYC_SKP]

1. And selling out to globalism is, well, "natural", get used to it, give up!

Outsourcing, baby, you can't stop it!

Yes, I am reading the same things as you, and it seems to be a way of saying "Give Hillary a Break!"

Thankfully, as a community, we are safe from this kind of groupthink, it's a minority opinion.

When last I checked, the Sanders v Clinton DU poll had Sanders at 91%

Hillary at 9%

[JonLP24]

11. That has bugged me for years because the logic behind pushing that is so bad

Basically, boils down to "give up already" because the problem with globalization particularly in free trade is companies -- especially large ones can move around the world to find the cheap labor while labor doesn't enjoy to same freedoms to go where the better wages (particularly if you are the cheap labor with the companies that find them, their politicians are back at their home country campaigning on anti-immigration rhetoric under the cover of populist reasons but if labor was globalized they'd have to offer competing wages & benefits so they wouldn't lose them to the competition -- this alone cripples the Unions bargaining power which had the effect of shrinking the labor marketing, driving up the wages -- excessive demand you raise the price, excessive supply you lower the price. Also solidarity was big because labor or working class people wouldn't even shop at a grocery store during a strike so they saw revenue losses. I didn't like labor racketeering at all -- I see the mafia as basically black market expert venture capitalists -- the way find opportunities to profit. Unions normally work with the other side on collective bargaining. The Mafia took advantage of their true bargaining power having the effect of shutting down the entire NY system so they agreed to very high demands -- it was at the expense of labor to put money into their pockets they can spot a money making opportunity a mile away but it is great example on bargaining power.

[daleanime]

2. I hear you....

I try to treat it like background noise, unless they manage to present a logical, new argument. Doesn't happen often.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. If their donation of money to political candidates makes them bad

then any who donated is a Koch Brother by another mother.

To me, unions are critical part of workers rights. Weakening unions increases more power Corporations and their owners/

[geek tragedy]

4. were people actually making that argument?

Because that's a very easy way for Clinton supporters to defeat their own purposes.

[cali]

5. yes, in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6688056

[geek tragedy]

8. I think the person was trying (unsuccessfully) to be clever and point out

that not all corporations are bad, or something.

but definitely a trip on the fail train

[JonLP24]

6. Special interest group was probably the term you were looking for

I'm glad I missed the discussion though at any rate. I posted an article from a terrific source -- Al-Monitor -- they report on stories that are more reflective of the current events in Southwest Asia and the Horn of Africa. It was an article on the King of Morocco giving a $1 million donation to the Clinton Foundation with a statement from somebody giving his obvious concerns mainly they did it on the idea it will come back to benefit him if she is elected President with the Western Sahara occupation -- they'd like it to be recognized and a link to their US pr & lobbying efforts but the article and everything involved with it was accused of being "right wing" the right wing is actually the King of Morocco and the Polisario Front is left wing. Just a bunch of attacks on the article calling it "right wing".

[PowerToThePeople]

7. Right wingers have fully infiltrated the democratic party

DU has quite a few of them, many long time posters.

Despite what they claim, there is such a thing as a right wing female. There is such a thing as a non-hetorosexual right winger. There is such a thing as an African American right winger. What matters is the overall political view. Supporting one or all of the causes of social equality while being in favor of the rest of the Republican platform makes you a right winger.

[geek tragedy]

9. Have you actually seen someone argue that women or gay people or blacks

can't be rightwing?

[PowerToThePeople]

14. No, but I have seen the converse

where someone has claimed that their group association made them left wing.

[Cleita]

10. What I say to my right wing acquaintances is that union members elect their

their leaders and have a say in policies. Then I ask when when was the last time they elected the CEO and other management in the companies they work in, let alone help form company policy? To blank stares I add that it's because one is a democracy and the other is a monarchy.

[marmar]

12. I saw that comment earlier.

Didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[cali]

13. It's not just one comment by one person

and it's not just that thread.

[Scuba]

15. I saw that bullshit. Incredibly lame.

[Mnpaul]

16. Democratic Underground

has become Democratic Corporate Talking Points.

pitiful

[aspirant]

17. Imo, all this is a big ruse

The primary goal is to protect the multinational operations from being nationalized by threatening to use US military intervention.

A side effect is to pretend that the US will also protect labor and the environment, but we've seen that enforcement is a mirage.

Now using US might they've included all these other demands under the guise of free trade

We spend mega-billions on the defense of multinationals, not the American people. This saves the global corporatists the huge expense of building a worldwide mercenary force to protect their interests.

The new slave labor countries (Vietnam, Malaysia,Brunei) are hand picked because they have strict govt. rule. Africa will be next as soon as they can inflict rigid control over their people.

The American people are irrelevant in this sham, just our tax revenue to fund a multinational military and a long established international currency, the dollar