Obama: Trojan Horse

[NCTraveler]

One week ago:

http://www.bnd.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/glenn-mccoy/article20715960.html

Different take on it here: TPP is the Trojan Horse for his immigration agenda.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/238574-trade-agreement-is-a-trojan-horse-for-obamas-immigration

A real beauty from the American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/09/obamas_trojan_horses.html

Thousands more out there like these. Many are blatantly based in racism. Obama has been a Trojan Horse for the Muslim Brotherhood/Sharia Law/socialism since before he was elected the first time. We are just witnessing a different spin. The black guy can't actually believe what he is saying, he is actually tricking you into letting him bring the enemy in. He must be a Trojan Horse. When they bring it here just understand what it is. Very personal attacks from those simply following others and the thought process of not wanting discussion but to simply yell.

[ismnotwasm]

1. Good lord it's a RW meme.

Figures.

[madokie]

2. Sure it is

I knew that as soon as I seen who wrote it

[one_voice]

10. Yup, me too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6689021

[libdem4life]

3. Disgusting Title. Trash the article...and delete the post.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. So if someone describes Obama as a Trojan Horse,

they must be right wing? Or racist? Or both?

Thanks for clearing this up.

[Andy823]

9. Or

They just like to stir things up. But we don't know anyone like that here on DU, or do we? "If" people really believe this kind of bullshit, then why are the posting on a board that "supports democrats"? I am sure they could get their own board, encourage people to come there and then bash the shit out of Obama and every other democrat they say is not "A REAL DEMOCRAT, PROGRESSIVE, OR POPULIST"! Couldn't they? Unless they just like spreading right wing BS for some reason or another, and that's why they stay! What do you think Manny?

[MannyGoldstein]

30. So if a poster disagrees with the TPP and other Right-Wing policies

They are Right Wingers?

[BlindTiresias]

40. Don't confuse them Manny

Their brain may get twisted into a pretzel.

[MannyGoldstein]

48. Might be a little late to prevent that. nt

[Andy823]

50. Well

At least we have one!

[Andy823]

51. Thats not what I said now was it.

You are really good at putting words in other peoples mouths, but then again that's just the way you roll, isn't it?

[pampango]

58. Most republicans disagree with TPP. Are they left wingers? n/t

[uponit7771]

26. Not must but sure in the fuck "might" be... walk like a winger, talk like a winger, quack...

... lay eggs, spout winger memes with winger dog whistles what are we supposed to call it????

a Lama?

tia

[azureblue]

56. or

because the poster uses the same words and phrasings as other paid gop trolls ( like "trojan horse" - a phrase that suddenly appeared all over the net in a two hours' time) we can assume they are, indeed, paid trolls..

Boards are getting blitzed by America Rising trolls, I wonder how much they are paying the guy that posted this dairy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/politics/the-right-aims-at-democrats-on-social-media-to-hit-clinton.html?_r=0

[ucrdem]

5. Jury results on OP:

3-4 leave, I voted to leave. I think the alerter was unaware of the context. In any case, an alert on the original failed 2-5.

[PeaceNikki]

6. Actually it was 3-4

Obama: Trojan Horse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026689062

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I don't come to DU to take out the Republican trash...even if posted in a "all Democrats must know" way.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 18, 2015, 10:14 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I usually do not vote to hide, but in this case I'll make an exception. Perhaps, this person's account was hacked?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think you are looking for this site freerepublic.com
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's informational.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe alterer is missing the point. Leave.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[ucrdem]

7. Yes, thanks. Sorry if that wasn't clear. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. She would have been fine if she used quotation marks ...

She would have been fine if she used quotation marks to make it clear those were the views of the authors and not her own.

No biggie...

[ucrdem]

11. Well, fortunately it survived, but in case the context is not clear,

I'd advise anyone wondering what the thread is all about to look at the GD front page.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I thought she is saying the right wing is saying BHO is a trojan horse for powerful interests.

If you are referring to DU there is a gulf between the rough DU consensus on President Obama and what rank and file everyday Democrats think of him.


Like you I am in the City Of the Angels and I speak to run of the mill, garden variety Democrats, and I don't see this mass dissatisfaction with President Obama that is exhibited here.

[ucrdem]

16. I think this OP is commenting on another thread that does exactly what you mentioned.

and this OP is pointing out that it's a RW meme. A really pernicious one too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. This board is what it is...

They aren't changing folks mind, not one iota...What they are doing is stiffening the resolve of those that support BHO and HRC and immunizing them from criticism...

[JaneyVee]

12. Yeah it's ridiculous. Millions of other websites to trash Obama on and....

They bring that bullshit here. The most progressive president in US history and so-called progressives still not happy. You don't get people to embrace your positions by trashing them. Progressives would do much better keeping that in mind.

[ucrdem]

13. They are riding this wedge issue for all it's worth.

To be honest the phrase has crossed my mind many times but not in connection to Obama.

[JaneyVee]

17. The reason liberals don't hold more seats nationwide is...

Because they are too busy fighting with the party that supports 80% of their causes and giving the party that wants to deport liberals a pass. And all along we thought it was conservatives giving liberals a bad rap.

[ucrdem]

25. Yes, 4 administrations roll by and then blammo,

they're on trade deals and budget deals like flies on fruit. Where were they during Reagan-Bush and Bush I for example? Oh yeah, voting for them.

[BlindTiresias]

41. Most progressive ever?

Oh dear, what history books are you reading?

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Hell, DU progressive (heros) aren't even happy with DU progressives' heros ...

Ashley Smith wrote in Jacobin that by running for president as a Democrat, Sanders “is acting as the opposite of an ‘alternative.’ ” Smith went on to say that the Democratic Party has “co-opted and changed Sanders,” approvingly quoting David Swanson’s call for leftists to “put our resources into uncorrupted, principled, policy-driven, nonviolent, creative activism” instead of the Sanders campaign.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17948/bernie_sanders_democrats

[Spazito]

15. It was beyond disappointing, quite nauseating, actually, to see that rightwing meme...

being used by an author to generate clicks on the website upon which the article is published. It is even more disappointing to see the article posted here in that other thread although, sadly, it is no longer surprising.

[geek tragedy]

20. leftwing Obamahate is a pretty reliable method of clickbaiting nt

[Spazito]

24. Yes, it has become quite obvious, imo...

Spewing anti-Obama rhetoric is a sure winner for some as we have seen.

[geek tragedy]

28. not too long before the Obama as Joker stuff makes a comeback here

Maybe we'll see references to Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers.

[Spazito]

31. In some ways, it's already here, imo...

through derogatory terms, expressions like "a piece of shit used car salesman", denigrating President Obama has become a competition, imo, to see who can win the best derogatory OP. Competing shit-stirring OPs ad nauseam.

[one_voice]

37. Yeah, well some people lose their socks..

in the washer or dryer. Others come here to rec threads. What can you do...

[geek tragedy]

19. Another parallel, this one from Ted Nugent: "Obama, he's a piece of shit."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

The Obama-hating fringe elements tend to mirror one another in rhetoric.

[cali]

22. I don't like the Obama as trojan horse crap, but I don't think that Pitt's

piece is rooted in racism- and I don't think that noting that the President has lied about the TPP, as both Senator Warren and Paul Krugman did yesterday, has anything to do with either being a racist.

[geek tragedy]

27. Not based in race-based hatred, just good old fashioned generic hatred.

Politicians stretch the truth when making arguments on policy all the time (and yes some of the anti-TPP stuff has also stretched the bounds of credibility).

[cali]

32. maybe it is sometimes generated in plain old generic hatred, but it's clear that isn't

the case with Warren or particularly with Krugman who is a strong supporter of President Obama's. And yes, some of the anti-tpp stuff has clearly stretched the bounds of credibility but that appears stem more from ignorance than intent to deceive- at least here. I haven't seen any lies from Politicians who oppose it, though I'm not denying the possibility that they have. The President, at the very least, has pushed right up to the line between stretching truth and outright lying, and it doesn't come out of ignorance.

[geek tragedy]

35. Absolutely agree on Warren and Krugman.

The reason people's imaginations run wild on TPP--at least partly--can be traced to the secrecy. Hard to rebut even the wildest arguments when you don't have anything to work with.

[ucrdem]

38. Warren and Sanders have both demagogued shamefully on TPP

and I'm sorry to say very dishonestly. You can deny it but the record stands. I explained here if you don't follow:

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10026649703

[cali]

43. bullshit. particularly wrt Sanders who is saying nothing differently than what he's

been saying for over 20 years. It's a patently ridiculous charge. Again, let me refute your absurd claims:

Here's why: Sanders and Warren have claimed for months that TPP (the trade bill) is being negotiated in secret and is a scary bad thing, and that TPA (fast track authority) should be defeated. Warren for example writes in her latest e-mail appeal:

Senator Sanders' main and most frequent objections about the TPP have NOT been about secrecy.

Let's send a loud message to our trade officials: No vote on a fast-track for trade agreements until the American people can see what’s in this TPP deal – ISDS and everything else. http://elizabethwarren.com/blog

Yes, that's a political tactic on Warren's part, but it's true: I've posted evidence that the secrecy around the tpp is unprecedented. I'm not posting it again. Find it yourself. It's in an op.

But they both know that without TPA, there won't be any trade bill, because the parties won't sign off without it. But if TPA does pass, Warren and Sanders get exactly what they claim to want -- public access to the complete, final TPP. From the Wyden TPA bill summary:

Yes they know that not passing the TPA will kill the TPP and conversely they know that passage of the TPA assures passage of the TPP. Get enough votes for the TPA and you've got the votes to pass the TPP. Period. This is as well known in D.C. as anything I can think of. More importantly, the President could release the TPP text now. That doesn't mean giving up the TPA and ergo doesn't mean that other parties would walk. You do know that other trade agreements have passed without the TPA, right?

New and expanded provisions . . . Require USTR to publish trade agreements 60 days before signing them, and to publish detailed summaries of U.S. proposals throughout.

http://www.finance.senate.gov/download/?id=FEC41212-F7AF-4A6D-BF83-978401999DAF


So if they were honest, Warren and Sanders would join President Obama in calling for swift passage of the TPA in order to complete the negotiating process and get the bill before the public as soon as possible. But they aren't. I wonder why?

They aren't calling for it for to be passed because they want to defeat the TPP- something that Sanders in particular has been open about: He wants to kill it. Period.

and we are done, because you keep repeating the same false stuff trying to bludgeon people with it.

[ucrdem]

44. Okay they didn't say it but it's true anyway. Thanks.

p.s. lest there be any confusion, the title above is , and I stand by my OP.
.............

ETA: the problem with the "ends justify the means" is that they don't. Implying that the president is dishonestly hiding something for whatever noble purpose basically leads to the kind of memes we're discussing here. And that's just one problem. Another is that it calls into question the credibility of all their claims about TPP, including the report released today. And that's a real problem.

[NCTraveler]

45. Never said the "journalist" was racist or not.

Didn't even infer it. My point was about the origins of the meme which are clearly based in racism. As early as last week the meme was used in a racist manner, that is in my op. Actually, one sentence in my op makes clear I am putting a space between the origins of this meme with respect to Obama and the "journalist" who used it in a different manner. Though the origins are clear.

[cali]

52. You may not have meant to, but that's how it reads.

[uponit7771]

23. RW Meme gets over 100 recs on a "progressive" forum, ... DU is flooded with FUD...

... we already know what they bring

[Andy823]

53. 132 last time I looked

It's pretty much the same people who rec'd it that rec all the other "anti Obama, Clinton, and democratic party in general" threads. If they really believe all this crap why are they posting here, unless it's simply to spread the BS and keep DU divided.

[Damansarajaya]

29. Or . . . he really is a Trojan horse for multi-national corporations.

Nobody ever got rich shilling for the middle class.

Just sayin'.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Or ... It's just a RW meme

[geek tragedy]

34. Obama will be as rich as he wants regardless of what policies he pursues.

Do you really think that if he killed the TPP, nobody would pay his speaker's fee?

People kind of forget the fact that the President is an extremely smart, ambitious, tireless, high-achieving individual. He doesn't need to take any position to guarantee a good income.

[JaneyVee]

36. Obama got rich shilling for the middle class.

[Cali_Democrat]

42. The Trojan Horse meme is a right wing meme

No surprise that it's being floating by his haters.

They won't be satisfied until a Republican is President.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. LOL. Which will pose an interesting problem ...

how will they distinguish themselves as the contrarian and REALLY, REAL Democrat?

[Cali_Democrat]

49. At that point they won't even care...they will declare mission accomplished

...and watch with sheer joy as the Republican president destroys Obamacare and starts a new war in the Middle East.

The very fact that Obama has occupied the White House for the last 6.5 years has driven them utterly insane. They can't take it anymore.

Unfortunately for them, the Republican party has a huge uphill battle to take the White House in 2016 because of the electoral college.

[Andy823]

55. The haven't done a very goo job of it so far

It's obvious what their agenda is, and even though they get over a 100 recs on their threads they aren't fooling anyone with half a brain. When I look at the recs these posters get, it reminds me of the old saying, "there is a sucker born every second". I am willing to bet that the majority of those doing the recing aren't even democrats, progressives, or populists, not "REALLY"!

[Peacetrain]

54. Oh for the love of all things holy..what next .. Manchurian candidate??

[Andy823]

57. I think

They already tried that one!

[Peacetrain]

61. holy cats...

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. I don't say much space between ...

the Manchurian candidate narrative and the Trojan Horse narrative ... They both represent a fraud on the people.

[Peacetrain]

63. That is how I see it also

[Z_California]

59. I'm bookmarking and sharing this article

I have a LOT of Facebook friends and relatives who are programmed by Fox News. If you asked most of them, their hot-button issue is immigration. I am dead set against the TPP. My right winger peeps don't see eye to eye with me on anything. It would be great if, in spite of that, they were moved to contact their Congress critter prior to this vote. This ridiculous take on the whole thing might be just what I need to convince them.

Get it?

[sadoldgirl]

60. Oh my, people here are overly sensitive

about this article. Perhaps those, who are so upset, liked
it when Obama told us he was a moderate Republican or
when he declared in India that outsourcing is great.

No President is beyond criticism, no matter which party
her represents.

We are told by a lot of DUers to take EW's refusal to
run seriously, and I have done so. Thus, I also take
it seriously if a Democratic President says that he is
a moderate Republican. So it goes.