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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary Clinton on Workers Rights, Labor Unions, and the Social Security Tax Cap.
I was Googling around to see if Clinton had anything concrete to say about strengthening our declining unions.
Wikipedia:
In 2006, Clinton praised a Maryland law that required Wal-Mart to contribute to certain levels of health insurance for its employees.[44] When asked what she had done to help Wal-Mart employees obtain better benefits when she served on its board while First Lady of Arkansas, she answered, "Well, you know, I, that was a long time ago ... have to remember..." and added, "obviously I believe every company should [contribute to benefit plans]."[44]
The Clintons were stockholders in Wal-Mart at the time she was a board member,[44] and Rose Law Firm, where Clinton was a partner had Wal-Mart as a client.[45] While a board member, Clinton had been silent about the company's famously anti-labor union practices,[46][47] although she pushed successfully for the chain to adopt more environmentally-friendly practices[46] and had pushed largely unsuccessfully for more women to be added to the company's management.[46]
A January 31, 2008 article from ABC News states, "An ABC News analysis of the videotapes of at least four stockholder meetings where Clinton appeared shows she never once rose to defend the role of American labor unions."[48]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Workers.27_rights.2C_labor_unions.2C_and_Wal-Mart
Social Security tax cap
Just below the unions section is her stand on raising the Social Security Tax Cap, she calls the idea a tax increase on the Middle Class. (I'd love to join her middle class)
Hillary Clinton supports retaining the Social Security tax cap.[49] The tax cap makes income in excess of $102,000 untaxable. The result is that the top 6% of income earners don't pay the social security tax on income above $117,000. Hillary Clinton called repealing the Social Security tax cap a "tax increase on the middle class."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Social_Security_tax_cap
If anyone has anything more up to date, if the candidate has revised her positions on unions and on raising the cap, I'd be happy to see them.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)soon to see where she stands on the issues so don't worry your little head about it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)If one is not voting for Hillary no matter what, why care what she stands for?
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)That's what she said about her campaign finance agenda.
She has not so much as sent me a text message in the past 9 days, which really burns me up. I mean I like every one of her Facebook posts and share them a LOT!
Asked about her campaign finance agenda, Clinton said, "We do have a plan. We have a plan for my plan."
Clinton added, "I'm going to be rolling out a lot of my policies...Stay tuned."
When The Post asked about the role of Priorities USA Action, a pro-Clinton super PAC currently trying to raise hundreds of millions of dollars to help her campaign, Clinton shrugged her shoulders and said, "I don't know."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/04/14/hillary-clinton-we-do-have-a-plan-for-campaign-finance-reform/
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)so who cares what you post?
She will get along just fine in spite of you.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I mean, sure, I know who I don't like but I worry that a lot of readers might not know about things.
Things like how odd it is that CNN gave Hillary's family member a paid position as journalist.
It paid $600,000 per year, very much a part time job.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/us/politics/chelsea-clinton-to-leave-nbc-news.html?_r=0
Jenna Bush had a similar gig.
I think it's just Fabulous how ordinary the Bushes and the Clintons are, don't you?
They are JUST LIKE US!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Just so you know. Hillary will be President and Chelsey will be First Lady
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And there's another little one who could grow up in the white house and come back later!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And come back later.
It'll be Hillary 2016-2024, then Chelsea 2024-2032, and then the grandbaby will have to wait a spell and then come back!
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)That tears it, the only reason I would ever vote for Hillary is to see the place settings Bill would create for the State Dinners.
Chelsey.
First lady.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)There are a couple of shrubs out there who are coming along nicely in their elders' footsteps.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)You and yours?
Not so much.
cali
(114,904 posts)I happen to believe that if a candidate is ready to run for office, they damn well should have positions ready to roll out on day 1. but hey, go with trust and the politics of personality. you shouldn't have to worry your beautiful mind about icky things like actual issues.
Why are the issues forbidden?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The full findings aren't in from the focus groups yet.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Hillary... Not so much
closeupready
(29,503 posts)if she were convinced saying it would get her elected?
I honestly think she has ZERO qualms about making promises which she also has ZERO intention of keeping.
Sobax
(110 posts)And other issues, I seriously doubt there's anything.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)con, Hillary is a flaming liberal.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)"Media Forget Context In Effort To Scandalize Hillary Clinton's Assessment Of Trickle-Down Economics"
There are some good links at that wiki.
Here's one in which Media Matters addresses the "mainstream media's" attempts to twist the argument and scandalize what isn't a scandal.
Mainstream media figures, following in the footsteps of conservative media, are trying to manufacture a scandal out of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's recent argument against trickle-down economics by stripping her comments of context to falsely cast them as a controversial gaffe or a flip-flop on previous statements about trade.
Conservative media outlets rushed to vilify Clinton's stance after she pushed for a minimum wage increase and warned against the myth that businesses create jobs through trickle-down economics at an October 24 campaign event for Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley (D). Breitbart.com complained, "Clinton told the crowd ... not to listen to anybody who says that 'businesses create jobs,'" conservative radio host Howie Carr said the comments showed Clinton's "true moonbat colors," while FoxNews.com promoted the Washington Free Beacon's accusation that she said "businesses and corporations are not the job creators of America."
Mainstream media soon jumped on the bandwagon.
CNN host John King presented Clinton's comments as a fumble "a little reminiscent there of Mitt Romney saying corporations are people, too," and USA Today called the comments "An odd moment from Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail Friday - and one she may regret." In an article egregiously headlined, "Hillary Clinton No Longer Believes That Companies Create Jobs," Bloomberg's Jonathan Allen stripped away any context from Clinton's words in order to accuse her of having "flip-flopped on whether companies create jobs," because she has previously discussed the need to keep American companies competitive abroad.
<snip to much more at link>
It's a good reminder to be careful of sources, how information is presented, how quotes can be mined to create a completely different and/or opposite representation, and so on.
P.S. FYI, about your sig-line, zulchzulu was TSd back on DU2. I thought you might like to know. I'm not sure if zulch is back on under that or another name.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)Right on cue, the National Rifle Association has unveiled its 2016 presidential election conspiracy theory with the baseless claim that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is harboring a secret plan to confiscate Americans' firearms. But Clinton has never endorsed such a plan and in fact has defended private citizens' right to own guns.
In a May 11 article published in the NRA's magazine and on its lobbying website, the gun group wrote, "Whether or not she understands the Second Amendment, Hillary Clinton disdains and distrusts that freedom," and claimed Clinton "wants control over every aspect of your right to keep and bear arms -- so she can deny it at will."
Clinton's own recent statements about "the right of people to own guns" meant the NRA was forced to juxtapose a series of old Clinton quotes -- some dating back to the late 1990s -- and hope that its readers would make implausible leaps of logic to buy into the conspiracy theory that a President Hillary Clinton would confiscate firearms. The NRA ran a similar fearmongering campaign about President Obama during the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections that also had zero basis in fact.
<snip>
The NRA is grossly distorting what Clinton has supported banning by using the term "semi-automatic firearms" interchangeably with "assault weapons." Firearms classified as assault weapons make up only a small subset of all semi-automatic firearms. For example, pistols are typically semi-automatic firearms, but bans on assault weapons only cover a small subset of pistols that have military-style characteristics.
<snip to more at link>
Of course, Media Matters has plenty more about the r/w distorting facts toward their own ends and the times the "mainstream media" jumps aboard with them without bothering to do its own investigation; for example, ACORN.
Thanks for the reminder, skp.
cali
(114,904 posts)They were set up by CAP- often referred to as HRC's "shadow government".
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Do you have a link to who "often referred to it as HRC's "shadow government"?
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)other rabid r/w sites.
From "the left," it tends to be the hill, politico, and good ol' huffpo.
I wouldn't worry much. There are quite a few people who think sources don't matter; unless it's "mainstream media" in which case they're lying except when they say bad things about <Democrat "I" do like> or good things about <Democrats "I" don't like> ("I" meaning whomever is doing the writing at whichever site).
And, please do ignore decades of r/w talking points being catapulted onto the national stage as "fair and balanced." But, sources from foreign to the US are "completely reliable."
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Move on had a huge role in setting up media matters. It has a pretty good record of bringing out the dishonesty and hypocrisy of the right. I had never heard of the Clinton angle. If Clinton and Move On teamed up to call out the hypocrisy of the right I won't be too upset.
Cerridwen
(13,257 posts)classified and "news" and which would be better relegated to the gossip columns.
They've done some good work on outing the "mainstream media's" propensity to parrot the latest manufactured outrage and/or scandal from the r/wers.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)http://vote-ny.org/PoliticianIssue.aspx?State=NY&Id=NYCLINTONHILLARYRODHAM&Issue=BUSWages
on social security
I do not want to balance Social Security on the backs of our seniors & middle-class families. We have to move back toward a more fair and progressive tax system, and begin to move toward a balanced budget with a surplus.
http://vote-ny.org/PoliticianIssue.aspx?State=NY&Id=NYCLINTONHILLARYRODHAM&Issue=BUSSocialSecurity
msongs
(67,403 posts)salib
(2,116 posts)And that balanced budget stuff is, of course, not pandering to Progressives.
At least Obama promised card-check. . . .
progree
(10,904 posts)-- 2007 Democratic debate at Drexel University (10/30/2007)
http://vote-ny.org/PoliticianIssue.aspx?State=NY&Id=NYCLINTONHILLARYRODHAM&Issue=BUSSocialSecurity
-- Nov. 15, 2007 Democratic debate transcript
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Social_Security_tax_cap
O.K. so she won't raise the Social Security tax cap, because she considers it a tax on the middle class (and it will catch some in the upper middle class, true). But it is about the only progressive way there is to close the Social Security funding gap and stave off trust fund exhaustion in around 2033, at which time, benefits will be reduced by 25% unless the law is changed. (And the projected trust fund exhaustion date has been advancing in recent years, for example, in 2002 it was projected to occur in 2041).
Other than means-testing S.S. retirement benefits which has the problem of making the S.S. retirement system more akin to a welfare program.
So what is she proposing?
[font color = red]On Edit[/font]And on making the tax system more progressive, specifically what is she proposing? Raising the capital gains tax? Raising the ordinary tax rate on the top bracket or two? Keeping in mind these changes have to be enough to meet her (2007) goal of balancing the budget.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Reagan era tax-rates would help, and raising the cap is a no-brainer!
It's in the same link above.
progree
(10,904 posts)progree
(10,904 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)At least in our lifetimes:
Should be higher than even under Reagan.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)One account from the Associated Press featured a conversation between a campaigning Clinton and an Iowa voter in which the candidate said she might consider committing more of workers' income to Social Security. "She told him she didn't want to put an additional tax burden on the middle class but would consider a 'gap,' with no Social Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000. Anything above that could be taxed," according to the article.
edit to add link:
http://www.ontheissues.org/social_security.htm
Also keep in mind that social security doing well under President Bill Clinton. It was George Bush that screwed it up for his war.
progree
(10,904 posts)[font color = red]On Edit[/font] I see your quote is from Sept 2007 per your link, at which time the max cap was $97,500
from your link http://www.ontheissues.org/social_security.htm
The max cap by year (for those who may be confused by all the different max cap numbers -- they change yearly with inflation. In 2015 its $118,500. Just in the way of background )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Wage_Base#Historical_data
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I don't really like the emphasis on the 100K+ version of the middle class. We need to spend more time talking about the working class. Frankly I think demolishing the cap is the best we could do for all Americans. Slipping in the gap just seems kind of overly concerned with not offending anyone.
progree
(10,904 posts)- Source: Who's Above the Social Security Payroll Tax Cap?
September 2011, Nicole Woo, Janelle Jones and John Schmitt
http://www.cepr.net/publications/reports/whos-above-the-social-security-payroll-tax-cap
The above is the first "hit" that looked promising to a Google search: "bernie sanders on the social security wage cap"
So might not be his latest, but I've heard him on Thom Hartmann (Lunch with Bernie on Fridays) and I think that's where he still is. You probably won't be surprised that Obama is apparently for the upper middle class gap too.
Using the 2015 figure for the max cap -- $118,500 -- rather than the $106,800 for 2012 in the excerpted text above --
On the other hand, although people making between $118,500 in 2015 and $250,000 won't pay any additional SS tax, they won't get any additional SS benefits either when they retire -- they'll get the same benefits as one making $118,500, so it's not quite as awful as it looks at first glance.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Bernie still has my support as he is the only one talking about eliminating the cap (even if it has the gap I don't like.) Last time she ran (then) Senator Clinton supported following the advice of a bipartisan commission that favored raising the retirement age.
So, yes Bernie seems to support this gap but I don't have to agree with absolutely everything he says to support him. His is the closest to my positions on this and other matters so I back him.
progree
(10,904 posts)I asked KMOD about this -- please see my #47 and any replies that might follow that.
progree
(10,904 posts)Thursday, March 12, 2015
The most effective way to strengthen Social Security for the future is to eliminate the cap on the payroll tax on all income above $250,000 so millionaires and billionaires pay the same share as everyone else.
... Sanders measure would make the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share. Under current law, the amount of income subject to the payroll tax is capped at $118,500. That means someone making millions of dollars a year pays the same amount in payroll taxes as some making $118,500 a year. The legislation would subject all income over $250,000 to the payroll tax. Doing so would impact only the top 1.5 percent of wage earners, the Center for Economic Policy Research has estimated.
The bill also would subject unearned household income above $250,000 to the same 6.2 percent tax as applies to most earned income. The top 0.1 percent of Americans gets about half of all capital gains income.
Asking the wealthiest Americans to contribute more into Social Security, would not only extend the solvency of Social Security through 2060, it also would allow Social Security benefits to be expanded for millions of Americans.
...The bill would:
Increase Social Security benefits by about $65 a month for most recipients.
Increase cost-of-living Adjustments for Social Security recipients.
Provide a minimum Social Security benefit to significantly reduce the senior poverty rate.
Social Security today has a $2.8 trillion surplus and will be able to pay all promised benefits until 2033, after which it will be able to pay around 75 percent of all promised benefits. The Social Security Expansion Act would increase revenue and extend the solvency of Social Security for the next 45 years.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-calls-on-congress-to-strengthen-and-expand-social-security
progree
(10,904 posts)One account from the Associated Press featured a conversation between a campaigning Clinton and an Iowa voter in which the candidate said she might consider committing more of workers' income to Social Security. "She told him she didn't want to put an additional tax burden on the middle class but would consider a 'gap,' with no Social Security taxes on income from $97,500 to around $200,000. Anything above that could be taxed," according to the article.
Ultimately, Clinton officially shied away from the increase in taxes, and stuck with official comments that revolved around improving the economy overall.
Source: Megan R. Wilson in TheHill.com weblog, "Clinton vs. Warren" , Aug 24, 2014
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm
Also, is there anything to this comment in #41?
I see remarks on the Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm page by her supporting appointing a bipartisan commission, but there's nothing about her approving and enacting everything they might come up with (I searched the page for "commission" . It would be a new commission (I'm rusty on my history of bipartisan commissions on Social Security and what they came up with. But I don't see anything about approving everything or anything any past commission has come up with).
All-in-all, it looks pretty wishy-washy, and I don't see any solutions to closing the funding gap except appointing a bipartisan commission, but with everything off the table, except maybe / maybe not raising the cap as in the first excerpt above.
Thanks
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)It's detested by conservatives, such as rightist pundit Megan McArdle, because it restores at least a measure of fairness to America's pattern of income distribution -- and that means requiring the wealthy to pay more of their fair share.
If Clinton is serious about standing up for America's middle class, this is the right policy. It doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with whether she's collecting a monthly check or not. It only has to do with what's best for America's working- and middle-class.
I personally think that she'll advocate slowly replacing SS with IRA-type plans, a gift to the banksters that run them and that have no safety associated with them whatsover.
I had money in AIG funds and we know what happened to that.
progree
(10,904 posts)It seems to me that your excerpt is talking about raising the wage cap rather than the retirement age
I have yet to see anywhere anything about her saying she would raise the retirement age, or follow the recommendations of a bipartisan commission that so recommended. From #47, raising the retirement age is off the table, and she would appoint a bipartisan commission...
As much as I don't like Hillary, I don't think she would be for any form of privatization of SS.
(shoot, lots of edits, sorry)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Senator Clinton supported following the advice of a bipartisan commission that favored raising the retirement age.
This can be inferred from her exchange during a debate:
Senator Clinton responded with more wishy-washy defense of her position. Sounding like an old-time Republican, she gave the old mantra of Americas fiscal class war:
When it comes to Social Security, fiscal responsibility is the first and more important step. . . . And with all due respect, the last time we had a crisis in Social Security was 1983. President Reagan and Speaker Tip ONeill came up with a commission. That was the best and smartest way, because youve got to get Republicans and Democrats together. Thats what I will do.
She promised not to impose additional burdens on middle-class families that is, implicitly defining the middle class as those who earn from $97,000 to $3,000,000,000 per year. This remarkable definition of middle class has yet to make it into the sociological textbooks, but Im sure the University of Chicago will soon make the requisite adjustment.
Senator Obama was quick to respond: That commission raised the retirement age, Charlie, and also raised the payroll tax. He said that she was proposing a magic solution. (This was the equivalent of voodoo economics of which Pres. Bush I accused Ronald Reagan of practicing.)
In the same exchange, she said:
I want businesses to thrive and I want people to be rewarded for their success. But what I also want to make sure is that our tax system is fair and that we are able to finance health care for Americans who currently dont have it and that were able to invest it in our infrastructure and invest in our schools.
In response, Sen. Clinton say said:
CLINTON: I dont want to take one more penny of tax money from anybody.
MODERATOR: Would you say, No, Im not going to raise capital gains taxes?
CLINTON: I wouldnt raise it above the 20 percent if I raised it at all. I would not raise it above what it was during the Clinton administration.
I don't want to call her a Republican, but it sure reads as if a Republican had taken over her brain and made those comments, doesn't it?
http://michael-hudson.com/2008/04/resurrecting-greenspan-hillary-joins-the-vast-rightwing-financial-conspiracy/
progree
(10,904 posts)or perhaps it's an utter inability to articulate any position where there will be losers (as well as winners)
I'll be away from the Internet starting in about 15 minutes until mid- late- tomorrow, so won't be seeing or responding to anybody or anything until then...
progree
(10,904 posts)Last edited Wed May 20, 2015, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Senator Clinton supported following the advice of a bipartisan commission that favored raising the retirement age.
This can be inferred from her exchange during a debate:
your excerpt doesn't support that. Rather it's more of a statement kicking the can down the road.
[font color = red]On Edit 5/20 949p CT:[/font] Two assumptions have to be made in order to state that Hillary would raise or try to raise the retirement age: (a) that the commission would recommend raising the retirement age, and (b) that she would follow that recommendation.
Plus there is this excerpt (more of it shown in #47)
Source: Megan R. Wilson in TheHill.com weblog, "Clinton vs. Warren" , Aug 24, 2014
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm
cali
(114,904 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts).
Small wonder that Obama kicked her ass.
And now it's Sanders, oh HELL!
http://michael-hudson.com/2008/04/resurrecting-greenspan-hillary-joins-the-vast-rightwing-financial-conspiracy/
progree
(10,904 posts)that will take me from the Internet until mid- late- tomorrow.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I think there will be some big political arguments about Social Security, she continued. And my only question to everybody who thinks we can privatize Social Security or undermine it in some way and what is going to happen to all these people, like you, who worked 27 years at this other company? Whats going to happen? Its just wrong.
Many liberals, who have been urging Clinton to embrace an expansion of Social Security, will likely be pleased by the remarks.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-dont-mess-social-security
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Not wanting to do something is not the same as not doing it. Nobody wants to eat their peas, but sometimes they just gotta.
As for labor unions, maybe she has a pair of comfortable shoes.
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Sorry to be grumpy. I just feel I've heard this story before.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)without tearing other people's candidate down. Too much to ask, I suppose.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... absolutely beat any GOP candidate, Bernie will not beat Hillary in the primary.
He thinks attacking Hillary will get people who would happily vote for her, to take the risk of a GOP president, by switching to the candidate he's not talking about nearly as much.
Not a brilliant political strategy if he wants Bernie to win.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)KMOD pointed me to this page, apparently thinking that it communicated that Hillary was shifting social justice:
http://vote-ny.org/politicianissue.aspx?state=ny&id=nyclintonhillaryrodham&issue=buswelfare
Tricky, tricky, tricky.
If you read her positions on "welfare" carefully, you will see they are very carefully crafted to emphasize "work", and they are reverberations of Bill Clinton's "welfare reform as we know it". There is nothing in Hillary's positions to suggest that she would repair term limits, subsidy coverage/amounts, or shift the focus to housing stability first (making the issue more broadly about livelihood than making people with significant barriers to employment spontaneously pull a job out of their ass or accept the following punishments, starting with homelessness...).
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I want businesses to thrive and I want people to be rewarded for their success. But what I also want to make sure is that our tax system is fair and that we are able to finance health care for Americans who currently dont have it and that were able to invest it in our infrastructure and invest in our schools.
In response, Sen. Clinton say said:
CLINTON: I dont want to take one more penny of tax money from anybody.
MODERATOR: Would you say, No, Im not going to raise capital gains taxes?
CLINTON: I wouldnt raise it above the 20 percent if I raised it at all. I would not raise it above what it was during the Clinton administration.