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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:45 PM May 2015

You Won’t Believe Hillary Clinton’s SPIN On AVOIDING THE PRESS


"....no matter how many Iowans' questions Hillary answers or how many questions she asks them, it doesn't justify her current unwillingness to stand before reporters (or even a single reporter) and take their questions. Not even a little...."







With Hillary Clinton rapidly approaching a month since she answered a question from a reporter, her allies are working to push back on the idea that she is ducking the press. "PUTTING THE VOTERS FIRST, HILLARY ASKS THE QUESTIONS THAT REALLY MATTER," read the subject line of an e-mail -- ALL CAPS in the original! -- that arrived in my inbox this morning courtesy of Correct The Record, a pro-Clinton super PAC directly coordinating with the presidential campaign on rapid response. The missive lays out the facts aimed at putting lie to the "she won't answer questions" narrative. First, Correct The Record notes that Clinton has answered 20 questions from "everyday Americans": seven during her first trip to Iowa (she's back in the state today), five during her New Hampshire excursion and a whopping eight when she visited Nevada. Then the group notes that Clinton has ASKED 117 questions of "everyday Americans." And, yes, it lists every one of those questions -- from "Give me a sense of your experience with that?" (Iowa) to "Do you want to share your story?" (Nevada).

I mean, where to start with this?

1. The vast majority of the people who have asked Clinton questions in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada were part of a pre-selected group who sat with her around a roundtable. That's not exactly like hosting a town hall event in which none of the questions are pre-screened. And if you look at the questions "regular" people are asking Clinton, they are not exactly the most probing of queries. A sampling: "I’m just wondering, what can you do to bring that heart back to education in the United States?" (Iowa), "What are your plans to help my community and help us not live in fear anymore?" (Nevada) and "I would like you to elaborate on what you think you might do for childcare in the future if you’re elected?" (New Hampshire) None of those questions are bad, per se, but they also aren't pushing Clinton in any way, shape or form on any issue.


2. It makes zero difference how many questions Clinton has asked average Americans. Like, none. If those people were running for president, then I would be super-interested to know how they responded to some (or maybe all) of Clinton's 117 questions. But, they aren't. She is. Citing the number of questions Clinton has asked of people to rebut the idea that she isn't taking enough (or any) questions from reporters is sort of like saying you aced a job interview because you answered every question asked of you with another question. That wouldn't make sense, would it?


3. At issue here is that Clinton is avoiding taking questions from reporters. And nowhere in the Correct The Record memo does it have anything to dispute that fact. In total as a candidate, Clinton has answered 13 total questions from reporters. It's been 39,000 minutes since she last answered a reporter's question. And, while I think it is absolutely of value for Clinton to hear from regular folks about their concerns and hopes, it's hard to argue from the list put together by Correct The Record that the questions those people have asked Clinton are the same as the one reporters would have if given the chance.


No, they're better, you say! They're about policy and not dumb reporters' obsessions, you say!

To all of which, I respond: Do you not think it is of value to know how Hillary Clinton spent her time since leaving the State Department? And how the Clinton Foundation handled its business with various donors who would, undoubtedly, still be in the picture if she was elected president? Or what she thinks of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the fight currently happening in Congress? Or Iran? Or the Middle East? You get the idea. The role of the media in this process is to show voters who these people are, really, and to explain how these people would govern the country if elected. Like the media or not, that's a very important role -- and one that is essential to a functioning democracy.




cont'


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/05/18/you-wont-believe-hillary-clintons-spin-on-avoiding-the-press/
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You Won’t Believe Hillary Clinton’s SPIN On AVOIDING THE PRESS (Original Post) Segami May 2015 OP
Yes, it does: Hillary wants a job working for the American people: Not the press! lewebley3 May 2015 #1
Great answer, hen the critics start on their campaign t rail they can handle how they seem fit. Thinkingabout May 2015 #37
Is that the miniscule portion of citizens she will actually meet? Ms. Toad May 2015 #234
If you believe the media are the dispassionate guardians of our culture ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #235
Some are, some aren't. Ms. Toad May 2015 #272
She spoke to the press today... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #275
I do not have an idea how many she has met with and also there are other Thinkingabout May 2015 #270
Now matter how many stops she makes, the portion of the country Ms. Toad May 2015 #271
If the questions ask could affect current issues such as wage increases, jobs, healthcare, etc Thinkingabout May 2015 #273
/thread. JaneyVee May 2015 #57
If you have to use poor Language get your thoughts across Your argument is weak! lewebley3 May 2015 #109
It was a compliment. JaneyVee May 2015 #135
I think the poster was commenting on your sig line demwing May 2015 #180
Hmm. She isn't talking to me. When is she going to visit my house and tell me what she thinks? jwirr May 2015 #66
No one is wondering what her Stance is! Only Bernie supporters keep saying this! lewebley3 May 2015 #98
Lol demwing May 2015 #185
That is your opinion. I know a lot of people who do not know what she stands for. They know who jwirr May 2015 #197
No one???? c'mon 840high May 2015 #208
Fair point!: Most American are not wondering about where Hillary stands! lewebley3 May 2015 #262
She doesn't have to be my puppet, but the job she wants would, if Exilednight May 2015 #249
+1 Sobax May 2015 #252
Hillary is not be your servant: She will be President of all Americans, not just you! lewebley3 May 2015 #258
Still makes my servant. I'm one of thec300 million. Exilednight May 2015 #260
Yea, just one: Hillary can't be all things to all people! lewebley3 May 2015 #261
If she's the best we have, we're screwed. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #264
Sorry, she isn't going to talk about anything she doesn't want to orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #90
We have Seen Hillary in an Election, she does just fine! lewebley3 May 2015 #124
That's an 'answer' Tricky Dick would have embraced. earthside May 2015 #92
It is responsibility of Media:, Hillary is responsibility to the American people lewebley3 May 2015 #104
Have you ever been involved tennstar May 2015 #169
Bernie has time to talk: He has no responsibilities lewebley3 May 2015 #257
Hillary is an unemployed millionaire. Marr May 2015 #266
She is a leader of Dem party, with Obama: Sanders has not lead a party! lewebley3 May 2015 #267
Hillary is an unemployed millionaire. Marr May 2015 #268
She has answered the questions of a few people from Iowa. Or at least I think she answered. We jwirr May 2015 #199
Of course she can run her campaign any she wants to. What is her position on the TPP? sabrina 1 May 2015 #211
Now why would she do that? davidpdx May 2015 #219
She is against the tpp: However her ex employer wants it! lewebley3 May 2015 #269
+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #105
FOX , the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times are part of the media. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #236
Hillary is not communicating to me. I'm a voter in California. JDPriestly May 2015 #196
Hillary is not your personal puppet: She will President of all of America lewebley3 May 2015 #259
I find the spin put out by the Clinton campaign embarrassing. It's so condescending cali May 2015 #2
"It's so condescending and so transparent." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #6
And the attackers are busy telling the defenders how wrong ... 11 Bravo May 2015 #35
it may not end well... quickesst May 2015 #204
Must be frustrating she hasn't said anything treestar May 2015 #222
lol. Hillary just has hecklers cali May 2015 #224
Bernie needs a much thicker skin treestar May 2015 #231
yeah, she just has hecklers THROWN OUT BY ARMED MEN cali May 2015 #233
18 months to go and she is in trouble for not responding to reporters at the moment? randys1 May 2015 #3
+1000 MoonRiver May 2015 #113
It's 8 months until the first Democratic primary election. AtomicKitten May 2015 #156
If she does not want to campaign why did she get in the race so early? That was her choice. jwirr May 2015 #200
Good question. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #213
If it were Sanders, they'd be praising him for "bypassing the corporate media" NYC Liberal May 2015 #189
You better believe it! zappaman May 2015 #191
I blame the reporters. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #4
LOL! Segami May 2015 #5
Checks business account nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #18
Maybe we oughtta do a GoFundMe for you, Nadin. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #38
We would have to start with poverty, free trade and education nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #40
Immigration. jwirr May 2015 #74
You are right, after all immigration is tightly linked to NAFTA nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #80
She's actually pretty good on immigration. Holding banksters accountable, not so much n/t eridani May 2015 #225
I'd donate to that n/t Mother Of Four May 2015 #146
Those Mexican students at Rancho High School In Las Vegas that spent an afternoon... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #27
They seem to glaze over when she doesn't jump at their command. Thinkingabout May 2015 #54
If I was running for pres... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #63
Why not spend time with both. Unknown Beatle May 2015 #125
I would love to ask her some really pointed questions nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #131
I think it's closer to $500,000, averaged out. nt NYC_SKP May 2015 #112
Maybe we can get a price break for Nadin. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #157
Clinton would triple the price tag to be with a legitimate journalist asking hardball questions. NYC_SKP May 2015 #159
bless their hearts... so upset she has a plan and is sticking to it. OKNancy May 2015 #7
bless your heart. it must be wonderful to ignore reality cali May 2015 #13
how is that aneurysm? OKNancy May 2015 #15
I'm sorry you're suffering from a brain issue, Nancy. cali May 2015 #23
I made a crack directed at the press... you on the other hand, had to direct OKNancy May 2015 #31
oh dear. and i was going to remove my comment. your comments are nastier than mine cali May 2015 #60
The election is almost 2 years away. JaneyVee May 2015 #67
It's 8 months until the first Democratic primary election. AtomicKitten May 2015 #158
It does seem to be the MO MaggieD May 2015 #65
lol. look who's talking. cali May 2015 #72
Sorry, I'm not in your league MaggieD May 2015 #76
I hope they weren't talking to you SwampG8r May 2015 #95
I'm not in your league either, apparently MaggieD May 2015 #132
. Autumn May 2015 #142
!!! AtomicKitten May 2015 #162
LOL! Segami May 2015 #165
+1000 Katashi_itto May 2015 #148
I read the post you responded to. Please point out the ... 11 Bravo May 2015 #43
sure. the poster strongly inferred that reporters' questions are all smears cali May 2015 #51
It's smart for Hillary to avoid answering questions and smearing herself. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #214
Yes, this stupid nonsense about her not answering press questions is SO stupid- KittyWampus May 2015 #147
It's 8 months until the first Democratic primary election. They_Live May 2015 #182
So you're a Clinton supporter now? BrotherIvan May 2015 #212
No, why would you say that? Only someone who sees black/white would take that KittyWampus May 2015 #216
Ah yes, the long knives BrotherIvan May 2015 #217
I thought they were still planning on planning the plan? frylock May 2015 #22
Is it the same plan she used when she lost a 30 point lead in 2008? Nt Logical May 2015 #276
So I guess you are a Hillary supporter and upaloopa May 2015 #8
It's becoming a bit obvious, isn't it...nt SidDithers May 2015 #10
Really!!! MADem May 2015 #14
Anti-Hillary/Anti-Obama all the time. n/t Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #136
And you just know, that if Hillary was giving daily press briefings... SidDithers May 2015 #167
Yep--she'd be picked apart six ways to Sunday. MADem May 2015 #171
It's Obvious That There Seems To Be A Contingent Here That Shamelessly Peddles the EXACT Same Crap Skraxx May 2015 #16
to you devotees, er, I mean supporters, everything is a right wing smear cali May 2015 #26
GOP Criticizes Hillary Clinton For Not Talking To Press Skraxx May 2015 #32
Sorry she doesn't ask you for campaign advice. upaloopa May 2015 #45
LOLZ. Not even close to a supporter. But to keep harping on her not talking to press KittyWampus May 2015 #152
Cillizza HATES Hillary Clinton--this is news to you? MADem May 2015 #172
Yep, they got nothing so they simply quote the right wing extremists. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #84
Of course! All the lefties are going on about Benghazi and not TPP eridani May 2015 #227
I can't help but get the feeling of desperation. nt boston bean May 2015 #19
Really? LordGlenconner May 2015 #36
My thoughts as well MaggieD May 2015 #69
To whom are you referring, specifically? And before you use the excuse that ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #246
People get baited into personal attacks and get hides all the time- so why are bettyellen May 2015 #253
Because I want to know and it's not against the rules to say to whom they are referring. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2015 #254
Lol, I'm sure it wouldn't be alerted on. Ha ha! bettyellen May 2015 #255
Her website does not list her positions or plans or identify morningfog May 2015 #21
She's answered a total of 17 questions. Yep, she's busy Exilednight May 2015 #34
Sigh deaniac21 May 2015 #9
I say KEEP DUCKING, HILL--and fuck 'em if they don't like it. MADem May 2015 #11
watch it there OKNancy May 2015 #17
Heh! I'm just too jaded to care. No one will cow me with their faux outrage, MADem May 2015 #64
I get your worst Democrat versus best Republican. I once told a petition gatherer for some kairos12 May 2015 #141
At least Satan doesn't turn off the heat in the winter!!!!! MADem May 2015 #153
+1 MaggieD May 2015 #61
Yeah, until it is convenient to assert she has evolved with nothing to support such except "hope", TheKentuckian May 2015 #175
What are you even trying to say? MADem May 2015 #181
Hillary is giving the corporate-controlled MSM the one-finger salute? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #12
lol. there is no one cozier with corporations than your candidate cali May 2015 #20
She has no need for the media MaggieD May 2015 #33
lol. sorry, the gratuitous mention of Bernie doesn't bother me at all cali May 2015 #70
It's not gratuitous MaggieD May 2015 #71
not even close to the end of story. cali May 2015 #75
Nah MaggieD May 2015 #86
LA LA LA LA demwing May 2015 #229
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Cali_Democrat May 2015 #164
Yep, I know exactly who she is. She's the politician who Exilednight May 2015 #78
She doesn't care what the left fringe thinks MaggieD May 2015 #93
Left fringe is a nice nervous tick nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #134
If they ignore us, then why should we vote for them? Exilednight May 2015 #220
Lots of reasons MaggieD May 2015 #239
But you're stating that neither will represent me, so question still stands. Exilednight May 2015 #242
Because you have no one else to vote for MaggieD May 2015 #240
300 million people in this country and space for a write in candidate. Exilednight May 2015 #244
Go ahead MaggieD May 2015 #245
Is that the best you have, Mags? Exilednight May 2015 #247
Nothing better is needed. MaggieD May 2015 #248
Thanks for the laugh. I can always depend on you Exilednight May 2015 #250
You're welcome! MaggieD May 2015 #251
...^ that 840high May 2015 #209
My candidate? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #44
+1 MaggieD May 2015 #29
+ 1/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #42
+1 JaneyVee May 2015 #55
But, the OP insists she talk to the corporatemediawhores.. Right effin' NOW! LOLOLOLOL Cha May 2015 #206
I think it is silly of her, but sadoldgirl May 2015 #24
She has done a lot more campaigning in the early primary states of IA, NH, and NV than Bernie has... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #46
She is smart to marginalize the.... MaggieD May 2015 #25
and grab all the bucks she can from them! no one cozier cali May 2015 #30
Sure there is.... MaggieD May 2015 #39
"No one"? None of the Republicans? No one anywhere? 11 Bravo May 2015 #50
Yep MaggieD May 2015 #56
Hasn't all Bush lll been doing is speaking with big money donors... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59
has he announced? Are you suggesting that because he does it too cali May 2015 #79
No... He is raising millions before he announces DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #87
The arrogance reflects an attitude that the system is rigged in her favor, so why bother? 2banon May 2015 #28
Hey, You're In Great Company With This Line of Attack!!! Skraxx May 2015 #41
LOL! That's how they roll MaggieD May 2015 #53
Haha! Corporate media mad! Stay the course. JaneyVee May 2015 #47
Exactly! MaggieD May 2015 #48
Is today the press is good day? joshcryer May 2015 #49
LOL! MaggieD May 2015 #58
+1 Lisa D May 2015 #62
The more I hear/don't hear from Hillary, JEB May 2015 #52
You are hearing it from the media. The more Bernie is on talk shows the more I like Hillary. Thinkingabout May 2015 #77
Really? What policy positions that Hillary advocates JEB May 2015 #96
Thought you would never ask. Thinkingabout May 2015 #137
Yet the campaign site is strangely still nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #144
Could do worse, could do better. JEB May 2015 #155
I won't dog out Bernie.... MaggieD May 2015 #116
Just a reply. Thinkingabout May 2015 #140
Why the hell should she change her stratergy for the press? hrmjustin May 2015 #68
Instead of blaming Nader for Gore's 00 loss... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #73
If the press were fair I would she would be out front now. hrmjustin May 2015 #82
They are carrying water for the Repugs because they are too feckless to take her on themselves./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #91
Their owners want a gop supreme court. hrmjustin May 2015 #119
I am not quite as cynical as you...They want a story... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #122
Glad she knows what she is doing! hrmjustin May 2015 #123
What the hell? She's already told everyone everything they need to know. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #81
Yup. Pretty much covers it all. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #107
Who cares what she says? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #83
Welp! Yes, Time Flies. Octafish May 2015 #85
To contrast, Bernie talks to the public EVERY week, without fail. eloydude May 2015 #88
He has to MaggieD May 2015 #163
By my math, he reaches a max of about 1/2 million listeners. OilemFirchen May 2015 #198
The press is looking for gotchas.. DCBob May 2015 #89
It was the press that robbed Al Gore of his knockout victory of Bush* in their first debate... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #94
Nah, that was Ralph MaggieD May 2015 #101
In an election as close as 00 the negative press didn't help./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #106
Agreed MaggieD May 2015 #127
David Axelrod says HRC making huge mistake re the media cali May 2015 #97
Didn't you get the memo?... Segami May 2015 #108
Hey, I'm doing my best to earn that Tesla in the driveway. NYC_SKP May 2015 #115
Hmmm,Tesla....Pick me up an application on your next shift change.. Segami May 2015 #126
David Axlerod works for the media MaggieD May 2015 #183
bwahahah cali May 2015 #192
You're shocked.... MaggieD May 2015 #241
Just so you know, Republicans are posting negative information about 6000eliot May 2015 #99
Is the information being posted inaccurate? n/t FlatBaroque May 2015 #139
Just so you know, Republicans are posting negative information 6000eliot May 2015 #202
thanks for the heads up FlatBaroque May 2015 #207
LOL...You made me laugh out loud n/t Oilwellian May 2015 #280
Bwaahaaha!!! "oh & guess what ELSE I found to trash Hillary with!!!" misterhighwasted May 2015 #100
I frequently trash these threads just for the formatting... SidDithers May 2015 #238
"Progressive:" The media is the whore press corporate pigs #@%#%@$!!!!... wyldwolf May 2015 #102
Like the MSM is just dying to have an intelligent conversation with her BeyondGeography May 2015 #103
RW propaganda william cail May 2015 #110
You haven't been around very long. You'll get used to it. n/t BeeBee May 2015 #121
Why not do a real interview fredamae May 2015 #111
Do NOT question... greytdemocrat May 2015 #114
DU is so funny ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #117
It's quite amusing MaggieD May 2015 #128
+1 KMOD May 2015 #129
Cut her some slack. If YOU had traveled THOUSANDS of miles in a van called Scooby you'd be hesitant cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #118
umm. thanks for the infor. I did not know she riversedge May 2015 #151
Not surprising really One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #120
Have we figured out how she will govern? Exilednight May 2015 #193
Are they saying this about the 40 Republicans running? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #130
We don't know.... MaggieD May 2015 #133
Well, this place IS called "Democratic Underground"..... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #173
Should be called.... MaggieD May 2015 #179
"Democratic Undermine" Jamaal510 May 2015 #210
She has answered 20 questions from "everyday Americans"? Autumn May 2015 #138
She is speaking DIRECTLY to the people MaggieD May 2015 #143
But apparently she does need a filter... Segami May 2015 #145
Is that what the MEDIA claims? MaggieD May 2015 #149
Sure she is dude. Her little round tables in Iowa are just awesome Autumn May 2015 #150
So claims the MEDIA MaggieD May 2015 #154
They will give a shit when she can no longer hide from the media Autumn May 2015 #187
She's not hiding MaggieD May 2015 #188
I guess you are right. She is giving the middle finger to the Autumn May 2015 #190
Isn't the media owned and run by the Koch brothers, or the corporatists treestar May 2015 #223
This was Sarah Palin's approach in 2008. I'm not going to answer your questions, moderator Doctor_J May 2015 #203
MSM is just a bunch of whore reporters who want to score points. Hillary is way too smart for them. YOHABLO May 2015 #160
Avoiding the press is the right decision Lil Missy May 2015 #161
It's not about changing minds, it's about telling voters where you stand on the current issues davidn3600 May 2015 #166
The true test of her strategy will be how she does in the Iowa caucuses. pnwmom May 2015 #168
Is this the same press that's been pushing her as "inevitable" for how many years now? Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #170
Disgusting. woo me with science May 2015 #174
Rec'd ibewlu606 May 2015 #176
+1 Sobax May 2015 #226
It's obvious why the mega-corp conservative MSM okasha May 2015 #177
How dare that uppity woman avoid the "Liberal" media thelordofhell May 2015 #178
HRC - So Typical cantbeserious May 2015 #184
I look forward to when Team Democrat begins to focus on Team Republican Blue_Adept May 2015 #186
Probably a wise move, now that politics is semi-officially a blood sport. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #194
Yeah, I've been through several primaries here going back to the beginning Blue_Adept May 2015 #195
From what I gather from reading this thread Hillary supporters think it is wrong to want to ask jwirr May 2015 #201
Somebody needs to call 911 KMOD May 2015 #205
The more Hillary haters right and left scream about it, the better the strategy looks alcibiades_mystery May 2015 #215
I hope she keeps it up-- gives Sanders more time to get his message out, and Marr May 2015 #218
There's plenty of time treestar May 2015 #221
In fact she just don't want mylye2222 May 2015 #228
She is nailing the start of her campaign. NCTraveler May 2015 #230
This group is very concerned about your concern. NCTraveler May 2015 #232
If I gave any credence to the comments of right-wingers, I'd be a moderate. /nt Marr May 2015 #243
That is my point. NCTraveler May 2015 #256
Just because a right-winger says it does not mean it's 'a right-wing story'. Marr May 2015 #265
She's being "re-tooled" like an unsuccessful TV pilot. A much weaker candidate than expected. nt Romulox May 2015 #237
Kick, for shits and giggles... SidDithers May 2015 #263
Sorry, but the M$M is a piece of shit wrapped in hot dog vomit. Rex May 2015 #274
Lol, of course you're not! Nt Logical May 2015 #277
Says the person that supports Bernie, but never posts in any Bernie threads. Rex May 2015 #278
Thanks for paying attention, I didn't know you cared, lol Logical May 2015 #279
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
1. Yes, it does: Hillary wants a job working for the American people: Not the press!
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:49 PM
May 2015


Hillary needs answer questions from voters, she should run her
campaign the way she wants to.

She doesn't owe the press anything, she only owes the American people
answers, and she has been giving them for years.

Go Hillary!!1

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
37. Great answer, hen the critics start on their campaign t rail they can handle how they seem fit.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015

She said in her announcement she wanted to meet with ordinary people, she is doing this. You are very right, she will be working for the citizens, not the press.

Ms. Toad

(38,636 posts)
234. Is that the miniscule portion of citizens she will actually meet?
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:35 AM
May 2015

Or the significantly more significant portion of the citizens to which the media, doing their job, will expose her?

Your answer might hold water if the media was asking questions for its own edification. They aren't. They are asking for questions in their role of informing the citizens - the ordinary people - who won't have direct access to her.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
235. If you believe the media are the dispassionate guardians of our culture ...
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:41 AM
May 2015

If you believe the media are the dispassionate guardians of our culture there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Ms. Toad

(38,636 posts)
272. Some are, some aren't.
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:38 PM
May 2015

But insulating her, and limiting her voice to the faithful few is a legitimate concern. The media has an important role to play. We may disagree about how faithfully they perform it - but no serious candidate for president should freeze them out.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
270. I do not have an idea how many she has met with and also there are other
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:45 PM
May 2015

People who are in the meetings. It is a great way to speak to individually and to learn of concerns they may have. Having the media ask questions the media is interested in but may not be the same. I know there is an apparent drive to have Hillary take questions but as you may notice Hillary backers are not pushing for other candidates meet with ordinary people. She is running her campaign as she sees fit, I have not seen any request for outside advice.

Ms. Toad

(38,636 posts)
271. Now matter how many stops she makes, the portion of the country
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:36 PM
May 2015

or even the Democratic party who can hear her directly is a very small fraction of the applicable universe.

And whether she asked for outside advice is not really the point. The refusal to interact with the media in a way which extends her reach beyond the privileged few is a legitimate concern.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
273. If the questions ask could affect current issues such as wage increases, jobs, healthcare, etc
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:46 PM
May 2015

it may be effective. Questions about CGI, emails, connections while she was SOS, speeches does not present an opportunity to deliver her agenda. Today is proof the press is not interested advancing this nation or giving relief to our citizens.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
109. If you have to use poor Language get your thoughts across Your argument is weak!
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015



It reflects badly on Bernie
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
180. I think the poster was commenting on your sig line
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:49 PM
May 2015

oops! My bad... Your fucking awesome sig line!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
66. Hmm. She isn't talking to me. When is she going to visit my house and tell me what she thinks?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:49 PM
May 2015

No she does not owe the press anything but she is not getting anywhere letting all of us setting here wondering what her stance is. And don't give me that "she has been giving them for years," - I want to know where she is at now.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
98. No one is wondering what her Stance is! Only Bernie supporters keep saying this!
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:09 PM
May 2015



We know what she think now! Hillary is not your person Presidential
candidate, she is candidate for all of us.

If she is not talking to you, its because she is not your personal puppet,
that is working your personal pet issues.

Typical Bernie Sanders supporter everything is about them.

But, maybe you are one of Jeb's right wring rising pact members,
hired to pretend to be Sanders support so you can attack Hillary.





jwirr

(39,215 posts)
197. That is your opinion. I know a lot of people who do not know what she stands for. They know who
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:12 PM
May 2015

she is. There is a difference.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
262. Fair point!: Most American are not wondering about where Hillary stands!
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:35 PM
May 2015


Thank- you

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
249. She doesn't have to be my puppet, but the job she wants would, if
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

She wins, make her my servant. Just like my mayor, congressman, senator and everyone else in government service, they are servants of the people.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
258. Hillary is not be your servant: She will be President of all Americans, not just you!
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

A mayor, congressman, eta: again don't belong to you personally,
they work for the American people.

You are just one of 300,000.00 apx people in America: and Politicians
also in-tiled to their free choices.

As lib, I believe in sharing with people, running the country for most
American's, not just a few.

Its the GOP that believe that Senators, should be the their employees:
after they have funded a politicial campaign.

Rubio, is funded by two billionaires, he doesn't need any more money to
run. He will be that donors puppet, he will have to do what that voter
wants, he will have no choice.




 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
261. Yea, just one: Hillary can't be all things to all people!
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:31 PM
May 2015


She is best the Dem's have to offer, right on issues, qualified, and
pathway to election with the party help.

Bernie helps the GOP!
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
90. Sorry, she isn't going to talk about anything she doesn't want to
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

that's her problem, and when brought up before Congress her tolerance for scrutiny was apparent, What do you think they'll do to her in an election ?

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
124. We have Seen Hillary in an Election, she does just fine!
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

Hillary 's only problem is the GOP, and the GOP who hired Bernie Sanders
supporters to heckle her efforts.

Hillary is has got to be one of the cleanest politician in history, the GOP
have never spared any expense nor will they, in attacking the Clinton's.

They have already tried with bought and paid for lies in the book for
Cash on the Clinton' finance by the right wring.

The author has to make up lies, because they don't have any dirt.

Do you think the GOP would bother with Benghazi if they had
any real scandals.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
92. That's an 'answer' Tricky Dick would have embraced.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:06 PM
May 2015

"It is the responsibility of the media to look at the President with a microscope, but they go too far when they use a proctoscope." -- President Richard Nixon

Or his partner in crime, Spiro Agnew: Some newspapers are fit only to line the bottom of bird cages.

In fact, as I reread your post I am aghast at the reactionary, right-wing tone of it ...

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
104. It is responsibility of Media:, Hillary is responsibility to the American people
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:13 PM
May 2015


She has, asked and answered the questions the American people have
had of her so far: And she will keep answering, but she is not
the medias puppet. She needs to run her campaign the way
she wants.
 

tennstar

(45 posts)
169. Have you ever been involved
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:23 PM
May 2015

Have you ever worked a presidential campaign?
These are not ordinary people, these are people who are part of her campaign who's questions are vetted.
You want to hear a candidate talk to the people? Listen to Bernie take calls every Friday with Tom Hartman.

Her town halls are nothing more than stage craft that is true with most campaigns it will be interesting to see if Bernie can stay away from this.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
257. Bernie has time to talk: He has no responsibilities
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:47 PM
May 2015


He is a Senator of 600,000 people, whom are mostly liberal:

What he says will not be twisted by the GOP: Hillary has needs

win the Presidency for all American.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
266. Hillary is an unemployed millionaire.
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:38 PM
May 2015

Sanders has a hell of a lot more responsibilities than Clinton.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
267. She is a leader of Dem party, with Obama: Sanders has not lead a party!
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:49 PM
May 2015

Hillary, has only taken about year off from work, and
that was to prepare to run for President.

Hillary, doesn't have a magic wand to get her campaign going,
she had to organize it that takes time and hard-work

The last thing one could call Hillary is lazy!

Hillary had never been out of work!!




 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
268. Hillary is an unemployed millionaire.
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:51 PM
May 2015

If you want to say "Sanders has no responsibilities", then sorry, but Hillary is an unemployed millionaire.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
199. She has answered the questions of a few people from Iowa. Or at least I think she answered. We
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:15 PM
May 2015

are not privy to her answers.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
219. Now why would she do that?
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:12 AM
May 2015

Then she'd actually have to take a stance on it. It is so much easier to keep quiet and wait until the controversy has passed and duck the hard questions.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
269. She is against the tpp: However her ex employer wants it!
Tue May 19, 2015, 03:41 PM
May 2015

She smart to stay out of this, she doesn't have a vote, and like
most people in congress, she have not been able to see it!

Alan Grayson is supporting Hillary, and he is against the TPP

What Hillary has said is that she is against trade deal give aways

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
236. FOX , the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Times are part of the media.
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

If you believe their interests align with those on the left there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
196. Hillary is not communicating to me. I'm a voter in California.
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:06 PM
May 2015

By the time the primary elections get to us, the candidate is chosen.

The only way I can hear what Hillary has to say is if she says it to the press.

The reason she did not do well with her campaign in 2008 partly because of her personality. She is, and I know I will be blasted for saying it, a bit of a control freak. She doesn't want to talk to the press because she wants to pick and choose what topics she discusses and what questions she answers. I'm not voting for someone like that. She does not get to have her way all the time if she becomes president.

She needs to learn to handle questions from the press.

The press questions don't throw Bernie Sanders off.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
259. Hillary is not your personal puppet: She will President of all of America
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:11 PM
May 2015

Not, just you!

You are trying to change history: Hillary did very well 2008, she lost only in
caucus states, they took Florida and Michigan out! (also Ted Kennedy was
working to make one of relatives a New York Senator).

Obama did not have the enough delegates to win the nomination, he just had
the most at the end. so they gave the nomination to him, the Dem's couldn't
take it away from him without a damaging party fight (it was a good political
decision)

Obama: Lost most of the big liberal states, Including California etc.

Hillary has handled the press for 30 years, and she had been on cspan sitting
for hour answering questions. American knows Hillary!!

Bernie can answers any question anyway he wants, his answers have no
consequences, he has no responsibilities, his words will not be twisted
with 100m dollars of Koch money, or Jeb right rising pact money, they
have been using Bernie campaign to attack the Dem's and Hillary.






 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. I find the spin put out by the Clinton campaign embarrassing. It's so condescending
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:52 PM
May 2015

and so transparent.

I expect a certain amount of arrogance from people with a big enough ego to run for the presidency, but this is ridiculous.

And so much for Robby Mook running a totally different campaign for 2008. The only thing that's really changed is they're better at calibrating what positions to change and what positions to emphasize.

This will not end well for us dems.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. "It's so condescending and so transparent."
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:55 PM
May 2015

And yet the defenders are busily at work telling us how wrong we are.

11 Bravo

(24,310 posts)
35. And the attackers are busy telling the defenders how wrong ...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015
they are. And meanwhile the shithead Republicans are beginning to think, "FUCK, maybe one of us will get the chance to put a couple more Alitos on the SCOTUS!"

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
204. it may not end well...
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
May 2015

...for you dems, but I feel pretty confident it will end well for US dems.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
222. Must be frustrating she hasn't said anything
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:04 AM
May 2015

Cause as soon as she does, it will be the wrong thing won't it?

Excusing Bernie's arrogance in telling a constituent to shut up? Imagine if Obama or Hillary did that.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
224. lol. Hillary just has hecklers
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:49 AM
May 2015

dragged out by armed men and arrested. imagine what she'd do if she'd been threatened, and told "get down here", the way Bernie was- as well as being sworn at.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
231. Bernie needs a much thicker skin
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:03 AM
May 2015

Hillary has heard it all and still kept her cool.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
233. yeah, she just has hecklers THROWN OUT BY ARMED MEN
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:41 AM
May 2015

of course unlike Bernie, Hillary doesn't speak with anyone but a handful of handpicked pre-screened supporters. That solves her problems.

Hillary just uses force to shut up hecklers.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. 18 months to go and she is in trouble for not responding to reporters at the moment?
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:52 PM
May 2015

Seems pretty desperate for the Hillary haters.

The tremendous shortsightedness of some folks who claim to be Democrats.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
200. If she does not want to campaign why did she get in the race so early? That was her choice.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:19 PM
May 2015

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
189. If it were Sanders, they'd be praising him for "bypassing the corporate media"
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:19 PM
May 2015

and talking directly to voters.

The media is criticized (rightfully) every single day here. But now, suddenly, not talking to that same right-wing media we all hate is a huge sin?

It makes sense only when you realize it's just about looking for ways to attack Hillary.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
4. I blame the reporters.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

If they aren't willing to bring $300,000 checks like everyone else seeking an audience with her then they have no one else but themselves to blame.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
38. Maybe we oughtta do a GoFundMe for you, Nadin.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015

And send you in with a prepared list of interesting questions.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
225. She's actually pretty good on immigration. Holding banksters accountable, not so much n/t
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:57 AM
May 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
27. Those Mexican students at Rancho High School In Las Vegas that spent an afternoon...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

Those Mexican students at Rancho High School that spent an afternoon with Hillary Clinton discussing immigration didn't spend a dime to speak with her...


When the press deigns to ask her questions that affect the lives of real people that is when she should speak to them, not a damn second sooner...

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
54. They seem to glaze over when she doesn't jump at their command.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

They need to get ovr themselves. She could dominate the Sunday shows but she chooses not to do so at this time.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
63. If I was running for pres...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

If I was running for pres I would rather spend an afternoon with Latino High school students than overpaid, elitist, self appointed guardians of our culture like Chris Cillizza.

Unknown Beatle

(2,691 posts)
125. Why not spend time with both.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:28 PM
May 2015

Sanders is spending time with reporters and regular people/constituents.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
131. I would love to ask her some really pointed questions
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:37 PM
May 2015

on poverty, and how she intends to deal with it, especially in the inner city.

Education and how we should really fund inner city schools as well as exurban schools in the same district.

Perhaps ask her about the effects of NAFTA and how she expects TPP to be different, After all my town used to be a center for aerospace, with good union jobs and all that. These days they are in Tijuana, Mexicalli and Queretaro, and some are sensitive defense jobs.

You know just minor shit like that.

Of course there is the USPA, and how that is impacting on privacy and rights, in particular civil rights.

Perhaps a few questions on nutrition and how to make sure local grocers do not price WIC items to the point that they hurt every one else in the community.

Just unimportant things like that. What she is wearing, her business. Hair out of place, I can have Cilliza go over that.

I somehow doubt she would answer these questions. Mostly she has avoided them. To her credit, none of the rest of the circus on the other side will either. Bernie Sanders has been answering those questions though for decades. We might have to look at the answers, but at least he does that. So I give him credit for that.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
159. Clinton would triple the price tag to be with a legitimate journalist asking hardball questions.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

I don't think we can come close to funding that, but I would gladly pay to see it!



OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
7. bless their hearts... so upset she has a plan and is sticking to it.
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

There will be plenty of times for her to answer questions ( smears)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. bless your heart. it must be wonderful to ignore reality
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:03 PM
May 2015

and facts- simply call everything a smear and right wing and presto, it's all sunshine and unicorns. How cute.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
31. I made a crack directed at the press... you on the other hand, had to direct
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

a snide comment directed at me personally.
That is your modus operandi of course.

Take care of your blood vessels... you are going to pop one will all that venom in your blood.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
60. oh dear. and i was going to remove my comment. your comments are nastier than mine
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:45 PM
May 2015

and you're the one who appears angry. I'm not angry. disgusted for sure. and sorry, but my blood pressure is great- a bit on the low side but good. And I love salt.

The inference that all questions directed at HRC by reporters are smears, that every criticism of her is right wing, is patently ridiculous.

She is living in a bubble, insulated from the media and voters (a handful of handpicked supporters is hardly exposure to voters) and spending the vast majority of her time with wealthy donors. I get the need for that, but her division of time on voters/issues as compared to wealthy donors, is more than a little unbalanced.

And the denial of the problems arising out of her unforced errors doesn't bode well for the party.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
158. It's 8 months until the first Democratic primary election.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

Second time I posted that in this thread.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
76. Sorry, I'm not in your league
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

For instance I would never post the nasty stuff you do. I don't know why you are allowed to do it, but it leads me to having no respect for you.

The last straw for me was last week when you told someone their opinion "wasn't worth shit."

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
148. +1000
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:05 PM
May 2015

The funny thing is I am no longer sure their goal is to "sell" Hillary.

If it is, they have got to be the most incompetent salesperson I have ever seen.

11 Bravo

(24,310 posts)
43. I read the post you responded to. Please point out the ...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

accusations of "smear" and "right wing". I'll wait patiently (but I damned sure won't hold my breath, because they don't fucking exist!).

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
51. sure. the poster strongly inferred that reporters' questions are all smears
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:37 PM
May 2015

There will be plenty of times for her to answer questions ( smears)

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
147. Yes, this stupid nonsense about her not answering press questions is SO stupid-
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:04 PM
May 2015

it can only be attributed to rightwing smear artists and those on the Left willing to pick up something that stupid.

It's sad to see some DU'ers using such a stupid attempt at a smear.

How many months is it to primaries?

They_Live

(3,373 posts)
182. It's 8 months until the first Democratic primary election.
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:00 PM
May 2015

Or so i've been told twice in this thread already.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
216. No, why would you say that? Only someone who sees black/white would take that
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:10 AM
May 2015

from my position that this non-issue is stupid and originating from the rightwing.

Really, there are apparently no depths that some on DU will not sink.

Ultimately, you question says volumes about you without your intending it ot.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. So I guess you are a Hillary supporter and
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:56 PM
May 2015

just have a few questions to ask like other Hillary supporters have done.
Go to her web page and ask ok?
Or are you really not that interested and just want to see how much dirt you can pile up here at DU?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Really!!!
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015

I'm learning that DU ain't what it used to be, or what I thought it was....oh well!

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
167. And you just know, that if Hillary was giving daily press briefings...
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:22 PM
May 2015

and appearing on all the Sunday shows, the perpetually outraged would be screaming about how she's crowding out Bernie and deliberately trying to drown him out.

If there's one thing I've learned about DU over these many years, it's that the perpetually outraged will always find something that will cause them to have conniptions.

Sid

MADem

(135,425 posts)
171. Yep--she'd be picked apart six ways to Sunday.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:25 PM
May 2015

And in some cases by the same people, flying under different banners!

Skraxx

(3,178 posts)
16. It's Obvious That There Seems To Be A Contingent Here That Shamelessly Peddles the EXACT Same Crap
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:10 PM
May 2015

About Clinton that the GOP does. Isn't the source for this "Hillary doesn't speak to the press!" actually from the GOP?

Some people have no shame, apparently.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
26. to you devotees, er, I mean supporters, everything is a right wing smear
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

this is fact. It's Chris Cillizza- who is decidedly not a right winger. Frankly, I think it's Clinton who has no shame.

Don't like that lots of liberals feel that way? Get your candidate to talk with real voters-not handpicked supporters and to address the issues- not just the ones that are easy.

Skraxx

(3,178 posts)
32. GOP Criticizes Hillary Clinton For Not Talking To Press
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential hopefuls gathered in Iowa are taking jabs at Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton for not fielding more questions from the press.

Former business executive Carly Fiorina says that if Clinton is going to run for president, "she is going to have to answer some questions."

--snip--

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/hillary-clinton-questions-press_n_7298996.html

Carly, is that you? The company you keep. But hey, like I said, some people have no shame.

Lot's of liberals feel that way? Where? Provide a single shred of proof that "lot's of liberals" feel this way.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
45. Sorry she doesn't ask you for campaign advice.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

We need to beat the Repugs and she is going to do that even if she has to drag you kicking and screaming into the next 8 years of a Democratic administration.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
152. LOLZ. Not even close to a supporter. But to keep harping on her not talking to press
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:06 PM
May 2015

when it's this far from primaries is asinine.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
172. Cillizza HATES Hillary Clinton--this is news to you?
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:37 PM
May 2015

He had to apologize to her for being a sexist ass. He's written DOZENS of columns that diss her.

Good grief, at least check a few facts before you make comments like that. He has gone out of his way to insult her over the years--Google is your friend, you should use it...and perhaps refrain from championing a sexist jerk.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2009/08/05/wapo-kills-mouthpiece-theater-cillizza-amp-milb/152929


WaPo kills "Mouthpiece Theater"; Cillizza & Milbank apologize


The Washington Post has pulled the plug on Mouthpiece Theater in the wake of criticism of reporters Chris Cillizza and Dana Milbank for their sexist comments about Hillary Clinton and other women. And, for the first time, the reporters have actually apologized.....

Cillizza apologized in a post on his blog, The Fix:

I would like to personally apologize for the content in last Friday's video as it was inconsistent not only with the Post brand but, more important and personal to me, the Fix brand which I have worked so hard to cultivate.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
227. Of course! All the lefties are going on about Benghazi and not TPP
Tue May 19, 2015, 06:16 AM
May 2015

How did I manage to miss that?

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
36. Really?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:30 PM
May 2015

That's not the feeling I get from it.

I get the feeling of someone being paid to post things here for a reason.

Check and see when this person's "shift" begins every morning. It's an avalanche of anti-Obama/anti-Clinton, anti Democrat screed every single day usually beginning at the same time of day followed by profanity laden, shrill call outs of those who might have a differing point of view.

It's coordinated efforts to cause division.

I'd tell this particular poster to get a job but it looks like they already have one...

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
246. To whom are you referring, specifically? And before you use the excuse that
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:12 AM
May 2015

call outs are against the rules, that is no longer the case on DU3 and happens all the time now.

Tell me who is being paid to post things here for a reason, please. Thank you.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
253. People get baited into personal attacks and get hides all the time- so why are
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:43 AM
May 2015

You pushing the poster to do exactly that?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
254. Because I want to know and it's not against the rules to say to whom they are referring. nt
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:51 AM
May 2015
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
21. Her website does not list her positions or plans or identify
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:18 PM
May 2015

the issues she is running on.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
34. She's answered a total of 17 questions. Yep, she's busy
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:29 PM
May 2015

Looking at that website and tackling the hard questions.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I say KEEP DUCKING, HILL--and fuck 'em if they don't like it.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:01 PM
May 2015

Given the lashing she gets here from ostensible 'Democrats' without saying a word, why should she stick her neck out when she doesn't need to?

She has a long and distinguished record, let the sorry bastards chew on that if they'd like. Give 'em NUTHIN, and tough shit if they don't like it.

There will be debates, there will be town halls, there will be meet-and-greets. She can answer questions when she schedules those events.

HRC is not a cipher. You know her--or you've been living in a cave. Anyone who claims to be "confused" about her attitudes and stances can get their flubby fingers on their keyboards and get to googling. All will then be revealed!



MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. Heh! I'm just too jaded to care. No one will cow me with their faux outrage,
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:48 PM
May 2015

not after some of the stunts I've seen pulled here of late!

I'm of this attitude and this is how I conduct myself here:

--the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican.

--I will vote for the winner of the Democratic Primary in the general election. I will support Clinton in the primary, but I welcome any and all people running under the Democratic Party banner to the race, and hope for a good and positive and productive discussion on the issues of the day.

--I refuse to pout, whine, cry or shit on anyone who prefers a different candidate. More power to the Big Tent! I do expect them to be civil, and if they aren't, well, they'll get back EXACTLY what they give.

--I won't indulge in sock puppetry and I will look askance, forevermore, at anyone who does that shit here. This is just a discussion board. People who can't 'get' that should think about broadening their worldview.



If things get real ugly, like they did in 08, I'll just take a holiday and go do some actual, up-off-my-ass volunteer work for my candidate, and leave the keyboard fighting to the couch potatoes.

kairos12

(13,587 posts)
141. I get your worst Democrat versus best Republican. I once told a petition gatherer for some
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:55 PM
May 2015

Republicon that I would vote for Satan before ANY member of the GOP.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
175. Yeah, until it is convenient to assert she has evolved with nothing to support such except "hope",
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:40 PM
May 2015

"expect", and "gotta believe" which you conveniently forget to scold some of her fans for assumable because it is in the narrative.

You haven't once shouted down a Clinton supporter that claims bullshit like we can expect the real and much more liberal Clinton in the Whitehouse when she is free of Bubba/Obama/the need to be to get elected.

So I'm glad you are definitive that we should expect the same corporate enabling warmonger we know to deregulate, appoint hacks, funnel wealth and power to the few already perched up top, to push "free trade", and champion the shit out of our illustrious "stakeholders".

That is the way I see it too and won't be voting for her hell or high water.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
181. What are you even trying to say?
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:54 PM
May 2015

I'm sorry, that first sentence is just a bunch of words. The rest of your post is a jumble as well.

It isn't making a point that is clear to me. "Nothing to support such?"

And why would I "scold" her fans? Or be "definitive" about anything at these stages? You are rambling. Badly. I get a sense you don't like Clinton--you could have made that point with fewer words.

Look, you have a nice day, I guess--your post makes no sense, and frankly, you're free to stay home on election day so why huff and puff and tell me all about your personal life? I don't really care what you do or don't do when it comes to your vote, so you won't be disappointing me in the slightest with your little fit of keyboard pique.

Feel better, I suppose...!

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
12. Hillary is giving the corporate-controlled MSM the one-finger salute?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:03 PM
May 2015

So?

These same media clowns are the ones pushing Schweitzer's bullshit book.

Why should she even give them the time of day?

Fuck the media.

They aren't interested in real issues.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. lol. there is no one cozier with corporations than your candidate
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:17 PM
May 2015

and that includes close relationships with the parent corporations of the corporate media.

Furthermore, she could always sit down with an interview with the many reporters who aren't part of the corporate media- like Cassidy of the New Yorker or any number of others. She isn't giving the finger to the corporate media; she's giving the finger to voters.

But sooner or later, poor delicate flower HRC will have to deal with the media and perhaps even voters who aren't handpicked.

HRC may be loved by most democrats but that isn't true of the general public. She's got work to do there.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
33. She has no need for the media
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:28 PM
May 2015

They are of no use to her. The voters know who she is and what she supports. Just because Bernie needs the media (he has very low name recognition) doesn't mean she does.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
70. lol. sorry, the gratuitous mention of Bernie doesn't bother me at all
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

though he's always engaged with voters- see Brunch with Bernie.

Your claims may or may not be true.

Hillary does need the media. dem voters may support her, but it's independents that will be the problem when she's the nominee. And I foresee her turning off more and more dems and certainly more and more young people- like my 28 year old son and virtually all of his friends and co-workers, male and female.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
75. not even close to the end of story.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

she does need the media. she's looking more and more, not only like she lives in a bubble but like she's too scared or too arrogant to answer questions. The American public can be funny about things like that. Hillary, as President Obama snidely noted 7 years ago, has likeability issues.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
86. Nah
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:00 PM
May 2015

The press is covering her campaign. Like they would any front runner. If you think the average voter gives a shit about her sitting down for an interview with the media the public also dislikes you're just dead wrong. They do not care.

Believe it or not HRC is smarter than you, Cali. Nicer too!

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
229. LA LA LA LA
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:47 AM
May 2015


just because you refuse to acknowledge truth, doesn't make it less true.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
164. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:19 PM
May 2015

It's amusing watching you trying to dispense campaign advice to Hillary Clinton.

You?

Too. Fucking. Funny.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
78. Yep, I know exactly who she is. She's the politician who
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:56 PM
May 2015

Supported NAFTA, then criticized it.

Supported Every Child Left Behind, calling it "a major achievement", and the criticized it.

Supported the Iraq War part II, and then criticized it.

Supported not setting a time table to withdraw from Iraq, then pledged to set a timetable to pull out of Iraq; but only after being booed publicly by liberals.

Refuses to call herself a liberal (thank god) and claimed to be a Goldwater girl, and then chose to call herself a progressive.

Need I go on?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
93. She doesn't care what the left fringe thinks
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:06 PM
May 2015

All politicians on the left ignore the fringe. So no, you don't need to go on.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
134. Left fringe is a nice nervous tick
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:40 PM
May 2015


Tell me more

And feel free to have the last word.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
44. My candidate?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

LOL.

Do you see me with a Hillary avatar or sig line?

I don't pick candidates months before the first debates even begin, but I have no problem calling out right wing talking points when I see them.

Nice try though, sweetie.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
206. But, the OP insists she talk to the corporatemediawhores.. Right effin' NOW! LOLOLOLOL
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:42 PM
May 2015

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
24. I think it is silly of her, but
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:22 PM
May 2015

I approve of it wholeheartedly.

This gives Bernie more exposure, which he needs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
46. She has done a lot more campaigning in the early primary states of IA, NH, and NV than Bernie has...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. and grab all the bucks she can from them! no one cozier
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

with corporations than Hillary.

and she's marginalizing herself. She looks ridiculously insulated. Bubble candidate. Yay.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
39. Sure there is....
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

For instance every frigging republican candidate is cozier. I know you seem to forget the Republican Party exists, so I'm happy to remind you.

The public hates the media. They do not give two shits that HRC also thinks the media sucks.

11 Bravo

(24,310 posts)
50. "No one"? None of the Republicans? No one anywhere?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:37 PM
May 2015

Damn, when the mask slips, it's more than revealing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
59. Hasn't all Bush lll been doing is speaking with big money donors...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:44 PM
May 2015

It's from one of those meetings where the story that his brother, George, would be his go to man on Israel comes from.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
87. No... He is raising millions before he announces
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:02 PM
May 2015

I saw them pillory Al Gore and turn him into a looney tune... Hillary Clinton doesn't owe the press anything...I say not God bless the press but God damn the press... Their causes and concerns are not mine.


 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
28. The arrogance reflects an attitude that the system is rigged in her favor, so why bother?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:25 PM
May 2015

why publicly reveal policy positions which happens to be exactly in line (to the T) with any Neo-Conservative policy position held and favored for the past 2 decades, especially in advance of the primaries?

She's might be an Wall Street Butt Licking Neo-Con, but she's not an idiot.

Skraxx

(3,178 posts)
41. Hey, You're In Great Company With This Line of Attack!!!
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential hopefuls gathered in Iowa are taking jabs at Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton for not fielding more questions from the press.

Former business executive Carly Fiorina says that if Clinton is going to run for president, "she is going to have to answer some questions."

----------------

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/hillary-clinton-questions-press_n_7298996.html


Maybe next time you shouldn't be so obvious?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
53. LOL! That's how they roll
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:38 PM
May 2015

I think there are more right wing talking points here lately than at freepervile.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
77. You are hearing it from the media. The more Bernie is on talk shows the more I like Hillary.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:56 PM
May 2015
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
68. Why the hell should she change her stratergy for the press?
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

They are out to destroy her and she should speak to them when ready.

No need to give in the thise seeking to destroy her.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
73. Instead of blaming Nader for Gore's 00 loss...
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:53 PM
May 2015

Instead of blaming Nader , Florida Democrats who didn't vote for Gore, Gore himself maybe the blame lies with the press for pillorying him... In an election as close as 00 that had to cost him.


I say God damn the press...

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
91. They are carrying water for the Repugs because they are too feckless to take her on themselves./NT
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
122. I am not quite as cynical as you...They want a story...
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:25 PM
May 2015

I don't blame HRC for not giving them one.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
81. What the hell? She's already told everyone everything they need to know.
Mon May 18, 2015, 05:58 PM
May 2015

The Bible was her most inspirational book, and she wants to empower communities and families.

IS THAT A COMPREHENSIVE ISSUES-ORIENTED CAMPAIGN, OR WHAT?

 

eloydude

(376 posts)
88. To contrast, Bernie talks to the public EVERY week, without fail.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:03 PM
May 2015

Brunch with Bernie w/ Thom Hartmann every Fridays.

Unscreened callers can call it in.

Hillary is making a very serious mistake about avoiding the press.

There are a lot of issues that are against her, especially the front-burning issue - TPP. She has not adequately addressed the issue.

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
198. By my math, he reaches a max of about 1/2 million listeners.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:14 PM
May 2015

Mostly sycophants, according to common sense.

That's sure to make a dent in the campaign.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
89. The press is looking for gotchas..
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:03 PM
May 2015

I wouldnt talk with them either unless absolutely necessary.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,850 posts)
94. It was the press that robbed Al Gore of his knockout victory of Bush* in their first debate...
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:07 PM
May 2015

Everybody saw Gore wipe the floor with Bush* The press had to do something to save Bush* and make it a race so they focused on his "sighs" the next week...


I say God damn the press...

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
127. Agreed
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:28 PM
May 2015

They let Bush slide on so much shit it was incredible. Meanwhile they were critiquing Gore's outfits.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
108. Didn't you get the memo?...
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:17 PM
May 2015

David is now secretly working OPPO for the Karl Rove Group........................


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
115. Hey, I'm doing my best to earn that Tesla in the driveway.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:19 PM
May 2015


Karl Rove is so last year, I'm on the Foundation Gravy Train now!
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
183. David Axlerod works for the media
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:03 PM
May 2015

He is under contract to two major media outlets (at least two, maybe more).

What did you expect him to say? LOL!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
241. You're shocked....
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:20 AM
May 2015

That someone who works for the media says she needs to speak with the media?? Okay then.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
99. Just so you know, Republicans are posting negative information about
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:09 PM
May 2015

Hillary on left-leaning websites in order to discredit her with Democratic voters.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
202. Just so you know, Republicans are posting negative information
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:37 PM
May 2015

about Hillary Clinton on left-leaning websites in order to influence Democratic voters.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
100. Bwaahaaha!!! "oh & guess what ELSE I found to trash Hillary with!!!"
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:10 PM
May 2015

DU's very own daily howwwwler group.
I don't even have to read the OP anymore, the poster tells me all I need to know.
But thanks for playin' anyhow.
Trash Thread - done.
IGNORE - done.


SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
238. I frequently trash these threads just for the formatting...
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:04 AM
May 2015

Jeez, can we get more ALL CAPS and bolding?

Sid

wyldwolf

(43,891 posts)
102. "Progressive:" The media is the whore press corporate pigs #@%#%@$!!!!...
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

... unless Hillary won't play their game. Then they're some kind of wonderful.

BeyondGeography

(41,101 posts)
103. Like the MSM is just dying to have an intelligent conversation with her
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:11 PM
May 2015

What an embarassing post.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
111. Why not do a real interview
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015

without "pre-scripted Q & A" and a "select audience".
I want to see the real candidates offering spontaneous real answers to real audiences asking real questions.

What possible reason would a candidate have for avoiding letting Us Know who she/he is and what she's/he's really like without all the political falderal?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
117. DU is so funny ...
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:21 PM
May 2015

The same people here complaining that HRC won't speak to the press ... 6+ years ago, were saying that we weren't to trust that same media ... and have already stated they won't believe the answers, they get, regardless of what she says?

You just can't make this lunacy up!

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
118. Cut her some slack. If YOU had traveled THOUSANDS of miles in a van called Scooby you'd be hesitant
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:21 PM
May 2015

to talk as well. Have you ever ridden in the back seat of a van? Fuckin' uncomfortable I tell ya, especially for as long as she's been doing it.

Kudos to her for living through the hell of traveling to Las Vegas and back in a damn van!

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
120. Not surprising really
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:22 PM
May 2015

Do you think she see's anything to gain by talking to the press? Given history it's more likely she views the press as out to get her. So why would she give them the opportunity. She has been a public figure since Bill was Governor. By now I think we have all figured out how she would govern.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
193. Have we figured out how she will govern?
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:27 PM
May 2015

NAFTA: loves it then criticized it.

No Child Left Behind: loved it, praised it, then criticized it.

Iraq wothdraw: no timetable because it would tip off enemy, booed by liberals publicly, changes mind and set timetable.

Is this an indication on how she will govern?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
173. Well, this place IS called "Democratic Underground".....
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

The Democratic LEADERS consider Liberalism to be something on the fringe.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
138. She has answered 20 questions from "everyday Americans"?
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:53 PM
May 2015
I would never vote for a politician who can't or won't speak to the people. My thinking is that if they can't talk to the people other than in private they aren't fit to govern.

20 whole fucking softball questions.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
143. She is speaking DIRECTLY to the people
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:57 PM
May 2015

At campaign events. Lots of them. She doesn't need the media filter on her words. And her polling in Iowa is through the roof, so apparently they like that arrangement.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
145. But apparently she does need a filter...
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:00 PM
May 2015
"....The vast majority of the people who have asked Clinton questions in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada were part of a pre-selected group who sat with her around a roundtable. That's not exactly like hosting a town hall event in which none of the questions are pre-screened....."


 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
149. Is that what the MEDIA claims?
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:05 PM
May 2015

Laughing right back at'cha. You answered your own question. See how that works?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
154. So claims the MEDIA
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:07 PM
May 2015

Sadly for you, the likely voters in Iowa seem pretty keen on her. I guess they don't give a shit about the media.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
190. I guess you are right. She is giving the middle finger to the
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:20 PM
May 2015

very people she invited to one of her little round tables. You are one observant fellow

treestar

(82,383 posts)
223. Isn't the media owned and run by the Koch brothers, or the corporatists
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:06 AM
May 2015

or the ILuminatit or something? i thought they were entirely untrustworthy.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
203. This was Sarah Palin's approach in 2008. I'm not going to answer your questions, moderator
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:39 PM
May 2015

I'm just going to talk to the people.

Her positions would offend most democrats, at least until she changes them again next week. That's why she won't announce them

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
160. MSM is just a bunch of whore reporters who want to score points. Hillary is way too smart for them.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:14 PM
May 2015

Chuck Todd comes to mind. What a lap dog.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
161. Avoiding the press is the right decision
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:15 PM
May 2015

Who's mind would it change? No ones. The right is drooling to get her to talk so they can create something sinister about anything she says. And so is half of DU.

Fuck 'em all, Hillary should keep avoiding the press.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
166. It's not about changing minds, it's about telling voters where you stand on the current issues
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:20 PM
May 2015

I'm not voting for someone who won't even tell us where they stand and refuses to debate the issues.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
168. The true test of her strategy will be how she does in the Iowa caucuses.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:22 PM
May 2015

If she does well, then this was a good strategy. We'll find out.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
170. Is this the same press that's been pushing her as "inevitable" for how many years now?
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:25 PM
May 2015

Seems like a strange love-hate relationship they have going there.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
174. Disgusting.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:39 PM
May 2015

This is faux democracy. This is the issue-free idiocy that the corporate predators who have seized our government have hoped to make of our elections. This is oligarchy, in which politicians are protected from actual accountability to voters and instead participate in a staged, sham theater illusion of democracy.

Shame on her. And shame on every apologist for this perversion of representative elections. This isn't an aberration. This is the MO of corporatists now, to arrange scripted photo sessions and suggest, outrageously, to voters that we have no right to expect politicians to be responsive and accountable and to offer clear statements and answer questions on policy. The Official Democratic Party Survey of Voters didn't even include mention of the TPP and other major policies. The Obama campaign, running for re-election, refused to disclose its plans on Social Security to voters. It is outrageous.

It's insulting to voters, and it's particularly insulting when it's excused by pretending that it serves some noble cause of avoiding the corrupt media. What utter horseshit, and what a convenient way to rationalize the slimy corporate goal of transforming our elections from civic events about policy to empty theater.

We need our democratic representative government back. We need elections in which candidates lay out clear and honest agendas so that they can be discussed and questioned, so that citizens can choose the candidate who best represents their interests. That this needs to be explained to ANYBODY is a sign of how perversely corrupted our political landscape has become under the influence of filthy corporate money.

People are sick of the lies, and we want real, representative elections. It's that simple.






 

ibewlu606

(160 posts)
176. Rec'd
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:42 PM
May 2015

Remember how we used to make fun of Teabaggers for blindly and stupidly shilling for politicians who didn't give one whit for "everyday" Americans?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
177. It's obvious why the mega-corp conservative MSM
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:43 PM
May 2015

are running around in circles with their hair on fire.

What's less obvious is why self-identified progressives are running around in circles with their hair on fire on behalf of the mega-corp conservative MSM.

And it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why Hillary's releasing her platform one plank at a time. That way each policy position gets attention and makes a deeper impact than if she laid it all out at once.

She has all the name-recognition anyone needs and a long and articulate history of liberal policy positions. Other Dem candidates are having to play catch-up because they don't currently have those advantages.



Blue_Adept

(6,499 posts)
186. I look forward to when Team Democrat begins to focus on Team Republican
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:09 PM
May 2015

There's such a level of kneecapping going on amongst supporters that it reminds me to just avoid all of this.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
194. Probably a wise move, now that politics is semi-officially a blood sport.
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:27 PM
May 2015

But it was this way last primary season, and it'll be that way next primary season.

I just smile, content in the knowledge that my man, Vermin Supreme, jumped from 4 to 12 last week.

(That's total votes, not percentage points.)

Blue_Adept

(6,499 posts)
195. Yeah, I've been through several primaries here going back to the beginning
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:30 PM
May 2015

Plenty of nastiness abound, though it went to a whole other level in 08 that really soured me on getting into it. I just enjoyed following the numbers, math and demographic aspects of it.

I've always been the type to talk up my candidate rather than tear down another that's on the same team. Which is why I know I don't belong here during primary season.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
201. From what I gather from reading this thread Hillary supporters think it is wrong to want to ask
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:32 PM
May 2015

her questions or a for the press to ask those questions for us?

First vote was for JFK and I have never seen a politician who did not talk about there stance. But if she wants to do it that way. So be it.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
215. The more Hillary haters right and left scream about it, the better the strategy looks
Tue May 19, 2015, 01:09 AM
May 2015

The temper tantrums are hilarious.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
218. I hope she keeps it up-- gives Sanders more time to get his message out, and
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:17 AM
May 2015

frankly, makes her look imperious.

It's not smart campaigning, but then, she's not my candidate.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
221. There's plenty of time
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:02 AM
May 2015

I wish these elections could at least wait for the beginning of the year they are in.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
228. In fact she just don't want
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:07 AM
May 2015

Hear uncovienient question such as Clinton foundation donation. She doesnt avoid them " because they are corporate" since those very same media had long played her game by making her The Imposed candidate.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
230. She is nailing the start of her campaign.
Tue May 19, 2015, 07:48 AM
May 2015

She is gaining huge amounts of respect with how she is dealing with the media. It is really pissing of the right wing and their ratfuckers. It's pure magic.

You really need to understand that Hillary and many of her supporters have a better understanding of the media than you do. We are educated on the topic and what they stand for. After you pay attention to politics for a while and become educated on this topic you will understand. It might take some time for you. Your allegiance to the media, and your need to give them an opportunity to show Hillary in the manner they want to, will change over time as you become more knowledgeable.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
256. That is my point.
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:58 AM
May 2015

The op is giving enormous amounts of credence to the concerns of right wingers. This is their story. Any on the left understand what she is doing is great. She is fighting the right wing media machine. So, the op runs with the right wings issue of the hour, yet they aren't claiming to be a moderate as you say. Then again, one size fits all and black and white thinking rarely works.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
265. Just because a right-winger says it does not mean it's 'a right-wing story'.
Tue May 19, 2015, 02:26 PM
May 2015

If Boehner says the sky is blue, that doesn't mean it's red.

And Clinton should be answering media questions. She's not a queen, she's a political candidate.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
237. She's being "re-tooled" like an unsuccessful TV pilot. A much weaker candidate than expected. nt
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
274. Sorry, but the M$M is a piece of shit wrapped in hot dog vomit.
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:50 PM
May 2015

Not buying into this current fear of HRC.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
278. Says the person that supports Bernie, but never posts in any Bernie threads.
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:52 PM
May 2015

You just wear that thing for show and tell?

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