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babylonsister

(172,759 posts)
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:39 PM May 2015

George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/michael-morell-bush-cheney-iraq-war


George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public
On "Hardball," Michael Morell concedes the Bush administration misled the nation into the Iraq War.

—By David Corn
| Tue May 19, 2015 7:25 PM EDT


For a dozen years, the Bush-Cheney crowd have been trying to escape—or cover up—an essential fact of the W. years: President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants misled the American public about the WMD threat supposedly posed by Saddam Hussein in order to grease the way to the invasion of Iraq. For Bush, Cheney, and the rest, this endeavor is fundamental; it is necessary to protect the legitimacy of the Bush II presidency. Naturally, Karl Rove and other Bushies have quickly tried to douse the Bush-lied-us-into-war fire whenever such flames have appeared. And in recent days, as Jeb Bush bumbled a question about the Iraq War, he and other GOPers have peddled the fictitious tale that his brother launched the invasion because he was presented lousy intelligence. But now there's a new witness who will make the Bush apologists' mission even more impossible: Michael Morell, a longtime CIA official who eventually became the agency's deputy director and acting director. During the preinvasion period, he served as Bush's intelligence briefer.

Appearing on MSNBC's Hardball on Tuesday night, Morell made it clear: The Bush-Cheney administration publicly misrepresented the intelligence related to Iraq's supposed WMD program and Saddam's alleged links to Al Qaeda.

Host Chris Matthews asked Morell about a statement Cheney made in 2003: "We know he {Saddam Hussein} has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." Here's the conversation that followed:

snip//

There's the indictment, issued by the intelligence officer who briefed Bush and Cheney: The Bush White House made a "false presentation" on "some aspects" of the case for war. "That's a big deal," Matthews exclaimed. Morell replied, "It's a big deal."

And there's more. Referring to the claims made by Bush, Cheney, and other administration officials that Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda, Morell noted, "What they were saying about the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda publicly was not what the intelligence community" had concluded. He added, "I think they were trying to make a stronger case for the war." That is, stronger than the truth would allow.

Morell's remarks support the basic charge: Bush and Cheney were not misled by flawed intelligence; they used the flawed intelligence to mislead.
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George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public (Original Post) babylonsister May 2015 OP
The Trials will really be something. Octafish May 2015 #1
The Intelligence Wasn't As Flawed As Now Claimed DallasNE May 2015 #7
Part of it is the language barrier... JHB May 2015 #26
Mislead? Misrepresented? They fucking lied. Thor_MN May 2015 #15
Yes, thank you for saying it. They lied. Funny how MSM won't say that word. YOHABLO May 2015 #17
BFEE put MSM on notice: ''The Dangerous Lie That 'Bush Lied''' Octafish May 2015 #29
Silberman's continued disservice to the USofA erronis May 2015 #47
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #75
From your pen to "god's" ears!! 7wo7rees May 2015 #21
The intelligence became flawed after they manipulated it. See "Dodgy Dossier." yellowcanine May 2015 #40
I wish that some foreign government would kidnap these bastards and try them for their crimes. olegramps May 2015 #42
I'm envisioning a special fundraising evening, aboard a private jet, for an elite group of neocons, Voice for Peace May 2015 #87
If only... G_j May 2015 #51
Maybe Obama will pardon the bastards so we can move forward. rhett o rick May 2015 #56
no. THEY USED 9/11 TO INVADE ON LIES FOR NEO-CON PIPE DREAMS. pansypoo53219 May 2015 #68
People Should Question Their Version Of 911 Too! billhicks76 May 2015 #73
Accessories To Murder billhicks76 May 2015 #74
Duh Iliyah May 2015 #2
Our country will never regain any moral standing JEB May 2015 #3
Thy say three strikes and your out,well Wellstone ruled May 2015 #4
War Criminals. AzDar May 2015 #5
MORELL: "Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—"... xocet May 2015 #6
Morrell also delivered the 08/06 briefing about 9/11 leveymg May 2015 #82
Thanks for bringing that up. I had forgotten about that. n/t xocet May 2015 #94
Not just to the public Major Nikon May 2015 #8
12 years later.... dead_head May 2015 #9
The Mideast is in flames and worse chaos is probably on the horizon. we need to tblue37 May 2015 #43
David Corn comes through again. grasswire May 2015 #10
They're in luck. Obama is busy looking forward. CharlotteVale May 2015 #11
You don't say, Mother Jones! sakabatou May 2015 #12
I believe Bush and Cheney are as evil as they come project_bluebook May 2015 #13
time to prosecute. hague? world court? hello? spanone May 2015 #14
LongListofLies.mp3 johnnyreb May 2015 #16
Bookmarked Duppers May 2015 #25
That tape needs to be played over all the air waves JEB May 2015 #44
Meanwhile they were protecting the actual 9/11 perpetrators. johnnyreb May 2015 #49
They did THIS: Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #18
Which is the most dangerous WMD, the CIA or the NSA? Jeffersons Ghost May 2015 #19
PNAC. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #20
Like a bad boss once told me, ''Good answer!'' Octafish May 2015 #37
A lot of people don't know Jeb is one of the original members of PNAC.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #46
CHENEY! nt 7wo7rees May 2015 #23
a wax cherry reddread May 2015 #50
We knew THEN they were lying. Duppers May 2015 #22
February 15th 2003 7wo7rees May 2015 #24
The lies were picked apart one by one. alphafemale May 2015 #30
I'll ask again: why did they do it? Yorktown May 2015 #27
Do you know how much money Halliburton babylonsister May 2015 #28
Halliburton's spin off KBR made a $39.5 billion profit Botany May 2015 #31
Other people told me the same, but i can't get to believe it Yorktown May 2015 #36
For some people, the instinctive competition for status and power that marks our species is tblue37 May 2015 #45
Guess you've never met a real psychopath before... gregcrawford May 2015 #63
Randian hellscape is a good term. Enthusiast May 2015 #80
The price of oil soared also. Enthusiast May 2015 #79
As Pink Floyd once sang: deutsey May 2015 #35
the huge mistake made ever since, and with much help from the M$M reddread May 2015 #53
I'm afraid you are correct. Enthusiast May 2015 #81
That Morell is quite the little Eichmann, isn't he? Just making sure the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #32
K & R L0oniX May 2015 #33
Tweety was in his "I Hate Wars" mode, wasn't he? Paladin May 2015 #34
This needed to be widely held public knowledge BEFORE the invasion. Martin Eden May 2015 #38
Rumsfield, "We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad ..." yellowcanine May 2015 #39
They really believed the Iraq war would be short and sweet, and paid for by Iraq's oil. Nitram May 2015 #41
+1 All that oil sitting there hifiguy May 2015 #91
No surprise here.. but what's scary is mountain grammy May 2015 #48
Tweety cornered him yesterday malaise May 2015 #52
He sure did! babylonsister May 2015 #66
Excellent OP here sis malaise May 2015 #67
I can't even remember when I didn't know this sh*t NCcoast May 2015 #54
+1 Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #69
1000 kicks samsingh May 2015 #55
WE KNEW THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW. rhett o rick May 2015 #57
WORST foreign policy decision in our history. nt 7962 May 2015 #58
Morell Broke His Oath . . FairWinds May 2015 #59
So you would prosecute the whistleblower? BillZBubb May 2015 #85
Release the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 Commission report KansDem May 2015 #60
Ask the Saudis. hifiguy May 2015 #92
I hope no one has forgotten... freebrew May 2015 #61
It doesn't matter whether or not it is true... kentuck May 2015 #62
Treasonous Bastards Angry Dragon May 2015 #64
Yeah, pretty sure it is called TREASON. They should be held accountable. nt mother earth May 2015 #65
War Crimes Rafale May 2015 #70
You are absolutely correct. Enthusiast May 2015 #83
Nice will be the day when we, humanity, send these war criminals to the prisons they created, Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #71
It was treason. Not only did they lie us into a two trillion dollar war, Enthusiast May 2015 #72
Everyone should know that by now... kentuck May 2015 #76
I know people that are true believers. Enthusiast May 2015 #84
True. kentuck May 2015 #88
Treason. The word is treason. Not "misled." True Blue Door May 2015 #77
+1! Enthusiast May 2015 #90
familia tradition reddread May 2015 #96
They did all of this and still embraced by their party. SummerSnow May 2015 #78
The Iraq War sulphurdunn May 2015 #86
Lying sacks of shit, the lot of them. hifiguy May 2015 #89
On Treason Rafale May 2015 #93
But but but...PNAC and the BFEE...tee hee? Rex May 2015 #95

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. The Trials will really be something.
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

[font size="6"][font color="green"]Morell's remarks support the basic charge: Bush and Cheney were not misled by flawed intelligence; they used the flawed intelligence to mislead.[/font color][/font size]

"Money trumps peace." Heh heh heh.

DallasNE

(8,008 posts)
7. The Intelligence Wasn't As Flawed As Now Claimed
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:14 PM
May 2015

Some of it was inconclusive, some of it came to a conclusion that was at odds with what Bush/Cheney said and some of what Bush/Cheney said was divined from thin air but is was all to mislead so that part is right.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
26. Part of it is the language barrier...
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:19 AM
May 2015

To the PNAC gallery, "flawed intelligence" was anything that didn't confirm what they, in their brilliance (just ask them) already thought.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. BFEE put MSM on notice: ''The Dangerous Lie That 'Bush Lied'''
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:33 AM
May 2015

Judge Laurence Silberman wrote that even mentioning Bush II lied in regards to Iraq War II is tantamount to the treason that led to the rise of NAZI Germany.





The Dangerous Lie That ‘Bush Lied’

Some journalists still peddle this canard as if it were fact. This is defamatory and could end up hurting the country.

By LAURENCE H. SILBERMAN
Wall Street Journal, Opinion, Sunday, Feb. 8, 2015

In recent weeks, I have heard former Associated Press reporter Ron Fournier on Fox News twice asserting, quite offhandedly, that President George W. Bush “lied us into war in Iraq.”

I found this shocking....

SNIP…

The charge is dangerous because it can take on the air of historical fact—with potentially dire consequences. I am reminded of a similarly baseless accusation that helped the Nazis come to power in Germany: that the German army had not really lost World War I, that the soldiers instead had been “stabbed in the back” by politicians.

Sometime in the future, perhaps long after most of us are gone, an American president may need to rely publicly on intelligence reports to support military action. It would be tragic if, at such a critical moment, the president’s credibility were undermined by memories of a false charge peddled by the likes of Ron Fournier.

Mr. Silberman, a senior federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, was co-chairman of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/laurence-h-silberman-the-dangerous-lie-that-bush-lied-1423437950



There are really only six corporations to control. The rest of the pack doesn't amount to much, but they can be counted to go along.

erronis

(23,879 posts)
47. Silberman's continued disservice to the USofA
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

He has so many dark marks against his name that I'm surprised he wants to put it back into the limelight.

- Clarence Thomas
- Iran Contra
- October Surprise

Time for him to find his final resting spot.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Silberman_Laurence

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
21. From your pen to "god's" ears!!
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:29 AM
May 2015

Please let Jeb's potential run be the downfall of this criminal family.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
42. I wish that some foreign government would kidnap these bastards and try them for their crimes.
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:19 AM
May 2015

The United States has done this many times so it would seem to be a reasonable thing to do since we seem to be unable to do the right thing for these murderers. What it the possibility that military service members or the families of deceased members could sue them? I don't know if that is feasible, but I would love to see Cheney, Bush, Rice and the whole cabal of murders at least broke if not in prison.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
87. I'm envisioning a special fundraising evening, aboard a private jet, for an elite group of neocons,
Wed May 20, 2015, 05:46 PM
May 2015

with all kinds of lavish distractions and promises.
Destination: to be a surprise

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
56. Maybe Obama will pardon the bastards so we can move forward.
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

I certainly hope not. I disagree with the idea that a pardon will acknowledge that crimes were committed.

But I bet Pres Obama favors pardoning the war criminals. Some think that he is also guilty of war crimes via killing innocent people with drones.

Maybe the President's oath of office should include pardoning all past and future crimes of previous presidents. Just a thought.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
74. Accessories To Murder
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:24 PM
May 2015

Of U.S. Troops. The troops should want Bush and Cheney to answer for their crimes.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
3. Our country will never regain any moral standing
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:47 PM
May 2015

if these liars and criminals are not held to account.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Thy say three strikes and your out,well
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:32 PM
May 2015

Iraq=1,Libya=2,and now Syria=3. And the World wonders what the hell.

xocet

(4,442 posts)
6. MORELL: "Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—"...
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:11 PM
May 2015
George W. Bush's CIA Briefer: Bush and Cheney Falsely Presented WMD Intelligence to Public
On "Hardball," Michael Morell concedes the Bush administration misled the nation into the Iraq War.
By David Corn | Tue May 19, 2015 7:25 PM EDT


...


MATTHEWS: Well, why'd you let them get away with it?

MORELL: Look, my job Chris—

MATTHEWS: You're the briefer for the president on intelligence, you're the top person to go in and tell him what's going on. You see Cheney make this charge he's got a nuclear bomb and then they make subsequent charges he knew how to deliver it…and nobody raised their hand and said, "No that's not what we told him."

MORELL: Chris, Chris Chris, what's my job, right? My job—

MATTHEWS: To tell the truth.

MORELL: My job—no, as the briefer? As the briefer?


...


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/michael-morell-bush-cheney-iraq-war






leveymg

(36,418 posts)
82. Morrell also delivered the 08/06 briefing about 9/11
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:39 PM
May 2015

To which Bush's response was: "Okay, you covered your ass, now."

Too bad Tweety didn't bring that one up.

dead_head

(81 posts)
9. 12 years later....
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:19 PM
May 2015

how many people died and had their life destroyed because of those lies?

Why say this after the damage's done?

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
43. The Mideast is in flames and worse chaos is probably on the horizon. we need to
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:29 AM
May 2015

say to the CheneyBush war criminals, and make it stick in the public mind and the historical record, "You built that!"

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
13. I believe Bush and Cheney are as evil as they come
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:47 PM
May 2015

and the CIA, Careless Incapable Assholes, is evil and needs to be dismantled.

spanone

(141,609 posts)
14. time to prosecute. hague? world court? hello?
Tue May 19, 2015, 10:49 PM
May 2015

fear it's never gonna generate out of the goodle u.s.a.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
44. That tape needs to be played over all the air waves
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:56 AM
May 2015

and over loud speakers nonstop until those fucking war criminals are held to account.

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
49. Meanwhile they were protecting the actual 9/11 perpetrators.
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:35 AM
May 2015
Bob Graham, March 21: "There's no question that the Bush administration covered up for the Saudis."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026405955

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Like a bad boss once told me, ''Good answer!''
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:46 AM
May 2015

It's like PNAC never leaves. From ISP's RightWeb:

Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

What's amazing is how few people know they're still pounding the war drums and working the war levers.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
24. February 15th 2003
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:15 AM
May 2015

Largest global worldwide protest ever. 25 million, give or take a few.

Yes, there were plenty of us that knew.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
30. The lies were picked apart one by one.
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:35 AM
May 2015

The main stream media ignored it.

It was like watching a nightmare unfold.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
27. I'll ask again: why did they do it?
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:37 AM
May 2015

I know I'm rambling, but it nags me: yes, GW/Cheney cheated with the intel.

But why did they want to attack Iraq? Didn't make sense. I'd love to understand. One day.

babylonsister

(172,759 posts)
28. Do you know how much money Halliburton
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:06 AM
May 2015

and by extension Cheney made, how much Blackwater, Brown and Root and so many other companies and people made? Couple that with the vision of controlling all that oil, and you have a bunch of greedy SOBs who didn't much care about any collateral damage involved. IMO.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
36. Other people told me the same, but i can't get to believe it
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:43 AM
May 2015

Even a Cheney can't be insane enough to launch a war costing one trillion and thousands of lives just to fatten an already very healthy bank account.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
45. For some people, the instinctive competition for status and power that marks our species is
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

so unbalanced and uncontrolled that they cannot rein in their efforts to amass the markers for status and power--which in our world are wealth and social and political control.

But there were other very important reasons.

(1) One was the belief that the US, under the "leadership" (read dictatorial control) of the "right" people, would be able to take over a large part of the world's dwindling oil supply, thus cementing the power of thus country, controlled by THEM.

(2) Another was that they wanted to establish a puppet regime and use Iraq as a base for staging further operations in the region. Look at that *huge* "diplomatic" compound they built (though so badly that it can't be used).

(3) Yet another was to impose their version of the ideal economy--a cutthroat kleptocratic state in which they and their minions could exploit everyone and everything, with no check whatsoever on their actions.

The criminal inner circle are nothing but warlord wannabes, but they envisioned themselves as warlords of the whole world, not just of some defined territory in some part if the world.

The drive to create such kleptocratic, unregulated versions of capitalism on steroids is part if the current Republican Party's DNA, and though the Koch brothers might be the most powerful and influential of the billionaires and corporations directing and funding that effort, there are many others as well.

That effort to establish a state if unregulated economic exploitation of the many by the few continues even here in the US. That's why Brownback here in Kansas continues to follow the Koch playbook, even though the resulting economic devastation is so obvious that no one can doubt that he and his legislative minions have destroyed our economy. Walker and Scott have, as much as possible, followed the same playbook, though no other governor has had as clear a field as Brownback for implementing these programs, because all of the more reasonable "moderate" Republicans in the Kansas legislature (which always had a large Republican majority) were primaried out by extreme Teapublicans with overwhelming Koch backing. (I strongly believe, though, that elections are being rigged and stolen here in Kansas and all over the country.)

With such a huge Teapublican majority in the Kansas legislature, Brownback can implement any program the kleptocrats want.

That was also the case for a long time in Iraq. Iraq's political and military classes were swept away, to be replaced by ignorant, incompetent administrators and apparatchiks at all levels, people who were completely loyal to the extreme rightwing's social and economic ideology. Read Naomi Klein's book The Shock Doctrine. She explains the destructive version of capitalism that for these people is virtually a religion.

The criminal gang that pushed for the Iraq invasion and then handled everything in a way that made them even wealthier but that destroyed so much, killed so many, and created such a mess in the Mideast are the same people behind PNAC--The Project for the New American Century--the position paper that spelled out the plan that was followed in the CheneyBush years to invade Iraq and attempt to take complete control of its government and, most important, of its oil. Even before the invasion, Cheney had meetings in his office with oil companies to work out how they would divvy up the oil they assumed they'd appropriate as spoils if war.

These three factors are probably the main reasons driving the architects of the Iraq debacle.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
63. Guess you've never met a real psychopath before...
Wed May 20, 2015, 02:23 PM
May 2015

... well, Cheney is a textbook example of one. He was just smart enough to con others into doing his murdering for him. He's evil down to his DNA.

And look at the Kochs. Billionaires 50 times over, but they still want to impose a Randian hellscape on the rest of us.

No bank account is EVER fat enough for monsters like them. Charles Koch is quoted as having said, "All I want is my share, and that's ALL of it!" Their capacity for ruthless malice is bottomless.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
79. The price of oil soared also.
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015

These people like Cheney can never get enough.

It is a level of greed that we simply cannot fathom.


The more they get the more fear they have that they will lose what they have.

It's a never ending vicious circle.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
35. As Pink Floyd once sang:
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:40 AM
May 2015

"Money, it's a hit...don't give me that do-goody-good bullshit."

Before 9/11, the neo-con loons were desperately looking for some excuse to invade Iraq and ensure their dominance in the region in their warped dream of ensuring a "new American century."

That, and I always felt that Bush had some Oedipal psycho-drama going on with his dad in which he felt he had to prove his manliness by invading Baghdad where his father had stopped short.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
53. the huge mistake made ever since, and with much help from the M$M
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:42 AM
May 2015

divorcing the influence and appetite of GHWB from the puppet son.
Cheney is no rogue here, and GW no mastermind.
We have such a falsified grip on reality and history it is to laugh.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
32. That Morell is quite the little Eichmann, isn't he? Just making sure the
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:41 AM
May 2015

trains to Auschwitz ran on time. This country is doomed.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
34. Tweety was in his "I Hate Wars" mode, wasn't he?
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:29 AM
May 2015

He'll be back to his "Wars Bring Out The Best In Us" attitude tonight, no doubt. Asshole.

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
38. This needed to be widely held public knowledge BEFORE the invasion.
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:47 AM
May 2015

Now we need INDICTMENTS.

Don't hold your breath.

yellowcanine

(36,792 posts)
39. Rumsfield, "We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad ..."
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:49 AM
May 2015
We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat....I would also add, we saw from the air that there were dozens of trucks that went into that facility after the existence of it became public in the press and they moved things out. They dispersed them and took them away. So there may be nothing left. I don't know that. But it's way too soon to know. The exploitation is just starting.
Interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News This Week, March 30, 2003

Nitram

(27,749 posts)
41. They really believed the Iraq war would be short and sweet, and paid for by Iraq's oil.
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

They are arrogant people, ignorant of history and scornful of people who have actually studied other cultures. They wanted an invasion for a variety of reasons:

1. wartime presidents get re-elected
2. oil
3. strengthen U.S. influence in the Middle East
4. oil
5. the use of military force is superior to the use of diplomacy
6. oil
7. miraculously turn all Middle East countries into democracies
8. oil

malaise

(296,101 posts)
52. Tweety cornered him yesterday
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:40 AM
May 2015

It was delish!!!

Bush and Cheney were not misled by flawed intelligence; they used the flawed intelligence to mislead.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS

Rec

NCcoast

(490 posts)
54. I can't even remember when I didn't know this sh*t
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:06 PM
May 2015

It's taken well over a decade for us to force any acknowledgment of reality into the minds of the public, so called journalism and the body politic. Every American institution of public trust has become completely corrupt. Thank you Judge Powell.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
57. WE KNEW THEN WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:26 PM
May 2015

I want trials and include the top executives of the major Corp-News outlets.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
59. Morell Broke His Oath . .
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:51 PM
May 2015

and needs to be prosecuted.

Lying the country into war is clearly a crime against the constitution, and
for him to say "it was his job" to stand there and witness the falsehoods
is completely inadequate.

Nazis were executed for the "just doing my job" defense.

Here is the CIA oath . . “I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Unless they are held to account, members of the national security elite will continue to engage in criminal activity, and claim they were "just doing their job."

Veterans For Peace

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
85. So you would prosecute the whistleblower?
Wed May 20, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

I find that disgusting, particularly given you lack of mentioning the real architects of this crime.

Morrell did his job. He did not start a war. He's not a war criminal. If he would have come forward at the time, he would have received the Snowden treatment or even worse--probably much worse.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
61. I hope no one has forgotten...
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

that dick cheney hired his own intelligence crew. No attention was paid to the CIA intelligence reports.
All intelligence was filtered through cheney's secret government. It was they who picked what to report.
What was reported was ALWAYS in favor of the views of PNAC and BFEE.

Crimes were committed, congress was threatened, if you recall the secret meetings held where certain congress-people's minds were 'changed'?(Dick Gephardt for one).

The situation wreaked with obvious conspiracy, yet VERY few gov't people or news people said anything.

The entire debacle needs investigating.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
62. It doesn't matter whether or not it is true...
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:53 PM
May 2015

It only matters who is best at spinning their side in the media. A "lie" can be made to look like the truth and the "truth" can be made to look ridiculous.

Rafale

(291 posts)
70. War Crimes
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:11 PM
May 2015

In my humble opinion, people should be and should have been protesting in the streets for a war crimes tribunal. Bush et al., President Obama, and all of the Clowns-in-Action (CIA), who tortured other human beings, should be brought to trial. My time fighting their wars was a sick joke.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
71. Nice will be the day when we, humanity, send these war criminals to the prisons they created,
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

Guantanamo, Abu Graib and on and on!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
72. It was treason. Not only did they lie us into a two trillion dollar war,
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:22 PM
May 2015

they also allowed the 9/11 operation and possibly even fostered it along the way.

There has never been a more criminal administration in the history of the nation. They even stole the fucking election to get in office so they could carry out their crimes.

But President Obama said we had to "Look forward". Mr. President, WTF?

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
76. Everyone should know that by now...
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:28 PM
May 2015

I guess there are a few hungry pawns that still believe Saddam was connected to al Qaeda or that he had WMDs so we had no choice but to invade. Some people still believe that?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
84. I know people that are true believers.
Wed May 20, 2015, 05:07 PM
May 2015

Military families. Proud of their sons. Anything military has to be correct, must be correct.

It was similar during Vietnam.

Some hard core Republicans would never entertain the possibility that a fellow Republican could do wrong. Quite a contrast to those of us on DU that question everything.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
96. familia tradition
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:23 PM
May 2015

if GHWB's personal lawyer hadnt payed anti-ransom to keep the Hostages in Iran through the 1980 election,
well this would be a much different world.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
78. They did all of this and still embraced by their party.
Wed May 20, 2015, 04:30 PM
May 2015

if Obama had done this they would've tarred and feathered him then paraded him as a war criminal in the streets

Rafale

(291 posts)
93. On Treason
Wed May 20, 2015, 06:04 PM
May 2015

Yeah, if you put the interests of Halliburton and various oil firms (namely, Exon-Mobile, Chevron, Occidental, and Royal Dutch Shell) ahead of US national interests or when you put a revenge game plan (payback for an assassination attempt on the President's daddy) ahead of US national interests, that is treason.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
95. But but but...PNAC and the BFEE...tee hee?
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:21 PM
May 2015

No? Not so much 'tee hee' anymore!? Not just college pranks?

Not directed at the OP, just some in general that pass on such issues.

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