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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:37 PM May 2012

When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?

When Adam delved
and Eve span,
Who was then
the gentleman?

This is one of the oldest known rhymes in the English language, and one of the most important.

The literal question raised is, if we stated with Adam and Eve then who was the aristocrat and who the peasant? How could a fundamental difference in station and worth have developed? How could there be a divine right of kings when king and peasant had the same geneology... traceable to Adam and Eve.

How then could men not be equal?

This rhyme dates from (at least) the English peasant revolt of 1381, when it was a rallying cry.

The black death killed about a third of people in England and, for the first time, labor had the upper hand. Since there were only 2/3 as many people they should have needed only 2/3 as many crops to feed everyone, but the method of agricultural production was highly unequal and concentrated. A rich man owned fields tended by many laborers. All of those crops must be harvested, processed and stored or else go to rot. And that required labor, suddenly scarce labor, or else the landowner would lose everything.

So there was competition for labor and wages were increasing. The church made it a mortal sin to get a raise, or even to quit your job (!) but edict can seldom overrun the market.

In a classic revolution of rising expectations, laborers who were suddenly in demand (for the first time in anyone's memory) pressed their advantage, and marched chanting that lovely rhyme.

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When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? (Original Post) cthulu2016 May 2012 OP
The Seed Of The Modern World, That, Sir The Magistrate May 2012 #1
The beginning of modern economics cthulu2016 May 2012 #2
It Affected Frame Of Mind Profoundly, Sir The Magistrate May 2012 #4
Wat Tyler's revolt longship May 2012 #3
... cthulu2016 May 2012 #5
. cthulu2016 May 2012 #6

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
1. The Seed Of The Modern World, That, Sir
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

Not just the rhyme, but the movement, the way the society reacted to the stress it had been subjected to by the Great Death....

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. The beginning of modern economics
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:44 PM
May 2012

Before the catastrophic depopulation of Europe human beings were a surplus commodity. Wage inflation was almost impossible.

Better to have been a laborer in London in 1400 than in 1800 when urbanization and industrialization recreated the ancient formula of human surplus and superfluousness.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Wat Tyler's revolt
Thu May 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
May 2012

While fourteen year old Richard II confers with the peasants, his men cut down Wat Tyler. Sic transit Gloria mundi.

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