God Damn the smugness of the Bernie-Bot's is thick in these here parts.

[trumad]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by cyberswede (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I really mean this--- I sincerely had it in mind not to go after Bernie supporters. I truly like Bernie and I get why people support him. Plus---I love most of his supporters--- Will Pitt--that's you.

BUT holy shit--- you mention Hillary---you mention a celeb endorsing Hillary, and here come the Bots.

I don't think I've ever seen so many right wing links on DU since Bernie announced his candidacy. Breitbart type links to knock down Hillary just to build Bernie up.

Not saying this is all Bernie Supporters--- but man it's getting stuffy around here.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Bernie said he wants to discuss the issues rather than attack Hillary.

Some of Bernie's supporters could learn a thing or two from Bernie.

[RobertEarl]

68. People whining about bernie supporters on DU?

Really, yall have nothing better to do? And why isn't this locked? Hosts?

[HERVEPA]

2. A guy who refers to women as bitches and hoes endorses her

but nobody is supposed to mention that fact?
It doesn't reflect on Hillary of course, but his words do reflect on him.
And your Bernie hating is pretty damn obvious.
There may be a bible verse about this somewhere I think.

[bravenak]

3. This is pretty smug.

[marym625]

11. You beat me

Great minds and all. (Would hate to disappoint the OP poster and be humble)

[bravenak]

15. !

I couldn't help it. I must be a Berniebot!

[marym625]

45. Well if you're gonna be a bot

Best be a bot that isn't nasty, has an agenda that includes bringing down the corporatists and actually answers questions. I am a Berniebot too! YAY BERNIE! #Bernie2016

[Dragonfli]

95. You are many things, but a "bot" ain't one of them

You have and speak your own mind, have since I first read your posts.

Agree or disagree with you, I respect your independence and fearlessness in expressing your views no matter the topic.

If you are a bot you would be the first ever to pass the Turing test.

[bravenak]

96. Well, thank you kindly!!

[heaven05]

115. looks interesting, bookmarked

for later reading/study. And per your response to bravenak....+1000

[Daemonaquila]

56. Perfect!

[geek tragedy]

4. they aren't Bernie supporters. They've latched onto Bernie now that Warren isn't

their last, best hope for slaying the dragon queen they hate so much

[ChisolmTrailDem]

9. Bernie has had his support on DU since the beginning. Indeed, not a bad thing was

said about him until Hillary supporters began bad-mouthing him when rumors that he would annouce surfaced.

[geek tragedy]

46. Yes he has. But the most outspoken these days

are more of the "Anybody But Clinton" types.

Bernie's a grown man and knows what happens in elections. The arguments levied against him here have been laughable.

[kenfrequed]

109. Well...

For the last couple of years we have had the campaign of Hillary the Inevitable part II and no other announced candidate. Progressives tend to care about policy and issues more than personality. When a well known progressive who has made his bones sticking up to the banks and Wallstreet announced what do you think would happen.


If anything this is less about Hillery and more about people latching onn to anyone willing to stand up to the monied elite at a time when the disparity of incomes is almost as high as it has ever been. Yes, people are emotional about this. Anyone serious or passionate about politics is going to get a bit wild in the tongue when they don't feel anyone is standing up for them.

Personally though I think this thread should probably be locked. It isn't about the candidate or his policies and seems directed at mocking those that support him.

[Dawgs]

30. Is that a bad thing? Warren was 1a for me and Bernie is 1b.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

5. You want to start calling names? I can come up with a nasty name for Hillary supporters if that's

how you want to play it.

[leftofcool]

26. Go ahead! She has been called everything in the book on DU.

If you have a new one, please share it.

[NCTraveler]

48. Republicans have called her every name in the book.

You wouldn't be adding anything new.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

58. Actually, I meant her supporters, as the OP did with 'Bernie-Bots". I wouldn't dream

of calling Hillary anything disrespectful as I like Hillary and have even supped and hung out with her and Bill as a volunteer for his gubernatorial campaigns in Arkansas.

But I goddamned sure don't like being called names because of whom I support in the primary race.

[NCTraveler]

67. Call her supporters what ever rolls off the tip of your tongue.

I have no clue why you would want to. A person calling someone names on the internet should influence your principals. Not telling you anything you don't already know.

I'm also not sure the op called you a name. It's pretty clear to all of us that there are a few extremely loud disruptors claiming to be Sanders supporters. I'm not sure why people don't understand that on du being a Hillary supporter puts one in the extreme minority. DU is not representative of the country yet some want to act as if it is. Sanders has overwhelming support here, as he should. Yet a select few are running around with their hair on fire and allow zero positive talk of Hillary.

[leftofcool]

6. Smoke is about to clear.

[Goblinmonger]

7. I'm sure you will go after those that support Hillary in the same fashion.

Can't wait to see it.

[Hiraeth]

53. Don't hold your breath.

[Avalux]

8. They're not who they appear to be. Bernie isn't going to attack Hillary and neither will I.

Bernie's platform is a better fit for me, so I'm supporting him in the primary. But I'm a Democrat - so if Hillary gets the nom I'll support her.

Ignore those posts that have underlying motives.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

12. That's my stance, too. nt

[JaneyVee]

10. Yeah it's crazy. Behavior I never thought I'd see from liberals.

From rightwing links, to sexism, to her looks.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

13. Links please. I'm not here as much as I used to be so pointing these out would be helpful, thanks.

[Paladin]

42. It's pretty much like this, every four years.

But it's worse than I've ever seen it, this time around. Genuinely unfortunate.

[MaggieD]

14. They have actually turned me off to Bernie

It's that bad.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. Cool story, bro.

[truebluegreen]

20. ...

[L0oniX]

82. +++++++++

[JaneyVee]

18. Yeah, it's one thing to build up your candidate, but...

The way they are constantly on attack mode is a turn off, sadly.

[MaggieD]

22. If they think they helping him...

They are sadly mistaken. I wonder if they would use the same attitude with people in real life? If not then why here?

[Autumn]

39. Because life is NOT a political discussion board.

this place is. Good to see you were able to get to a computer today.

[MaggieD]

52. Yes, this is the fringe

But it's a good bird's eye view into what kind of people support him. Not a crowd I want to join.

[Autumn]

59. I'm not sure Bernie supporters are the fringe here on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026592890

730 to 80

[MaggieD]

60. They are the fringe in real life

And that's where elections are held.

[Autumn]

61. You are so funny dude.

[MaggieD]

65. Not a dude

[upaloopa]

91. I don't get how supposedly "educated" people

act as if an unscientific poll means anything. Only polls with a true random selection of a population where every member has an equal chance of being selected represents the beliefs of the whole population.
These OP polls mean absolutely nothing other than the beliefs of those who bothered to respond.

[marym625]

49. You made me laugh!

Thanks for this! Absolutely precious

[L0oniX]

83. *

[Renew Deal]

114. Ask any of them if they truly believe he will win.

And if they're being honest you'll know what it's about.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

33. Riiiiight....

[MaggieD]

40. Do you actually think you're helping him?

[Dawgs]

54. LOL!!

I love Hillary supporters.

[Snotcicles]

66. I caught that the other day. nt

[Autumn]

69. Here on DU. They took advantage of the "recent" amnesty

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5498982

[ChisolmTrailDem]

73. There's something wrong with that picture. That "recent" amnesty happened in 2009,

right after Pres O was elected, if I recall correctly.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

74. IIRC MIRT didn't exist back then --

it was the volunteer group of Moderators. And it took a bit to get yourself banned.

[ms liberty]

108. I've noticed quite a few of these lately....n/t

[morningfog]

97. My what cognitive dissonance.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. I don't remember this being an issue when a bunch of celebrities recently made a video

encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run. The "Bernie Bots" seemed to have taken it in good form, many even taking heart in the sentiment.

Perhaps it's not the celebrity endorsements or a need for a singular dogmatic loyalty that is tweaking the "Bernie bots."

[truebluegreen]

19. I confess, I am feeling pretty smug.

Helps to be on the right side...but fwiw it would never occur to me to care what some celebrity thinks just because that person is famous (added that last part 'cause there are some celebrities I respect).

[Marr]

21. Sorry, but the tone of the Hillary supporters around here is, collectively, much more rude,

abrasive, and aggressive than is the collective tone of the Sanders supporters. I put that down to personal bias for a long time, but I just don't think it's so anymore.

[MaggieD]

27. You can't be serious

I don't see anyone posting flat out lies about Bernie. I don't see anyone posting links from right wing sites to justify criticism of Bernie. I don't see anyone telling Bernie supporters their opinion "isn't worth shit". I haven't seen anyone accuse people of being evil because they don't support HRC.

You must be wearing blinders if you have not seen this stuff from Bernie supporters.

[Marr]

57. MaggieD, you attack Sanders *constantly*.

Of course, since the guy isn't in the pocket of big business and seems to be completely above board, the best you've got is things like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6632962

But just because your attacks are lame doesn't mean they aren't attacks.

[MaggieD]

86. No, but his gonna reach into YOUR pocket

... If you're trying to save for retirement.

He doesn't have to worry about that since he's got a big fat pension from congress, right?

[Marr]

98. There you go again. /nt

[MaggieD]

117. Quoting Reagan now?

How clever.

[Exilednight]

72. Mags, you can't even defend your candidates vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6696807

Iraq, with over 10000 dead service members is a gotcha question? Several of my friends from my time in the Army had to go fight a war based on lies because someone like Hillary didn't do her due diligence to determine the truth.

Two of my close friends died in that war. A close friend of mine from high school died in Iraq.

PLEASE, I beg of you, tell me how the fuck a question about her vote on Iraq where thousands of Americans died, is a "gotcha" question after she has given several different answers.

[Marr]

101. +1

[NuclearDem]

102. When Clinton announced, Clinton supporters didn't start OPs

telling people to "shut the fuck up and get on board."

Sanders supporters did, even in the face of overwhelming welcomes from Clinton supporters.

There's some sort of imaginary war against Sanders that's only being fought by hardcore Sanders supporters.

[SidDithers]

23. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Autumn]

24. You must have some Hillary supporters on ignore if you think only one side is guilty of that

Smug?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026699786

[Bobbie Jo]

84. Always the helpful host.

Aren't ya?

[Autumn]

87. If I'm a host I can't respond to a poster? That's rather silly.

[Bobbie Jo]

89. Obviously

Instigating petty squabbles....

Bad form, IMO....



or some such

[Autumn]

92. It's not my OP I simply responded to it so I didn't instigate any petty squabble

neither did I go look for you to respond to you. or some such

[Bobbie Jo]

94. Meh

Instigate/participate, etc....

Bad form for a host, nonetheless.



Carry on, of course.

[Autumn]

111. I will carry on. It doesn't bother you for other hosts to post in OPs and when you were

a host you posted in threads so your outrage is rather selective

[Bobbie Jo]

122. Now I'm sure there's an alert

on this thread in the host's forum.

Can't very well deal with it when you're up in the middle of it, I suppose.

This is just bad form, IMO...

funny stuff, no?

[Marr]

104. lol, he's got himself on ignore, apparently. :P

[ucrdem]

25. More like desperation. nt

[cali]

28. proceed with your baloney "I love Bernie, but...."

I so love the smell of hypocrisy in the late morning.

You trash Bernie with your op about how he's doing nothing but "promising free ice cream and acting like a jr. high kid, and then you start to whinge about this?

And bullshit about the right wing links. Hillary supporters call everything right wing- Vanity Fair, Slate, Salon, the Atlantic, Vox- I've been told by HRC supporters that they're all right wing. Zephyr Teachout? Right Wing. Doyle McManus? Right wing.

I haven't posted a single solitary thing critical of HRC that comes from a right wing source but the bullshit is thrown out EVERY TIME that it's right wing.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

34. I like how you use "Hillary supporters", instead of some toxic nickname. nt

[trumad]

120. oh that is so rich coming from you.

[Nye Bevan]

29. Lots of DUers want to go back to having an old white guy as president.

Old habits die hard for some.

[LondonReign2]

41. Ooooo, a racism and sexism claim Twofer!

You must be proud

[Snotcicles]

75. A lot more just want the right person for the job. nt

[marym625]

31. How cleverly bot of you

Lather, rinse, repeat

[KG]

32. I lulz'd

[TwilightGardener]

35. Not a Bernie gal, because I don't think he has a realistic chance to win, but

you can't blame people for being smug when they back the candidate with integrity.

[LondonReign2]

36. .

[whatchamacallit]

37. Flaccid Flamebait

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. Both Senator Sanders and Secretary of State Clinton are the centers

of their own personality cults. This is not the fault of either individual, because they did not ask or encourage fanatical followers.

I expect we will see a congenial and hard fought race between liberals. It will be refreshing to watch, while we all endure the shit storm created by the Koch brother's Republican shit storm.

[HassleCat]

43. Worms?

Agents provocateur? Are there people hoping to get Sanders nominated because they believe he will be easier to beat than Clinton? I'm sure there are, in the big wide world, but have any of them snuck into DU?

[NCTraveler]

44. A small group here recced an Andrew Malcolm opinion piece and cheered it on not long ago.

It was an eye opener. Just yesterday, there was a post here claiming they had a Clinton quote claiming she supported the privatization of Social Security. They quickly had their ass handed to them. Even after that, one poster kept going on in that thread as if it should just be assumed, even if the op was based on a complete lack of comprehension. Then there is the Gowdy email/Benghazi and the lovers of the msm crowd. They are both one in the same. I actually don't mind them. For every right winger spreading those smears Clintons favorability rises. Someone this morning tried to make an issue of Clinton campaigning in Texas.

That being said, these people are a very loud minority of Sanders supporters. They are not here for honest reasons. Most people who say they will be voting for him in the primary are excellent and they also support Hillary.

[demmiblue]

47. Meta

[seabeyond]

50. you were alerted on. i served. we will see. i AGREE!!! blunt, respectful and true. nt

[seabeyond]

54. you survived. i am surprised

On Wed May 20, 2015, 11:24 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

God Damn the smugness of the Bernie-Bot's is thick in these here parts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026700270

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Juvenille name-calling flamebait.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 20, 2015, 11:29 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Trumad is a trouble-maker. That's all he does.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: he is absolutely correct. trumad is being blunt and he is being respectful. bernie fans need to take note how to address each other.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As a Bernie supporter, I find the thread entertaining. Is that wrong?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Baiting for sure
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[trumad]

123. of course I was alerted on

I just had a post hidden in the Snoop Dog thread because used Bernie-Bot...go figure.

[JaneyVee]

51. Lots of posters in this thread proving OPs assertion.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

63. Jeez, just stop it!

There's plenty of smugness to go around. And just quit it with the "bot" business. Name-calling is not useful. Support and defend your preferred candidate with all the enthusiasm you've got, but please get off your high horse; don't pretend the same crap isn't happening on your "side."

[Smarmie Doofus]

64. Do you really want to go w. the "Obamabots" thing again?

How'd that work out for ya' last time?

Not to mention... I think she's ahead. Isn't she? WAY ahead... her supporters insist.

Sounds like your pushing the panic button a little prematurely.

If individual Sanders supporters are annoying you, treat them just that way: like mild annoyances.

Otherwise some of us are going to suspect that maybe their carpings and criticisms are hitting home.

[bullwinkle428]

70. ...

[stevenleser]

71. The ironic thing is that they are showing how Bernie has no leadership ability.

He has said several times he doesn't want his campaign to be about attacking Hillary.

But he can't get his supporters to follow him in that respect.

If he can't get the folks who say they think he is great to follow his example on something, how is he going to get anything done with the Republican congress?

[whatchamacallit]

76. Laying this at Bernie's doorstep is idiotic

Yes, the posting behavior of some people on an internet forum is indicative of Sander's inability to lead. Desperate or deluded? I can't tell.

[sufrommich]

77. Oh come on,you're blaming Bernie Sanders for

posters on DU?? It has zero to do with his "leadership abilities",that's just ridiculous hyperbole. All of DU needs to get a grip,you're all wading into irrelevance when you make silly arguments based on DU behavior.

[stevenleser]

79. Yes, in conjunction with his inability to move progressive legislation in 24 years in congress

I believe we begin to get a picture of his leadership abilities.

He can't get his most ardent followers to follow his lead. He can't get legislation passed. And he is running not just on being a typical Democrat, he is running on the implied suggestion that he can get transformative progressive legislation passed, through a Republican congress no less.

That would require superhuman leadership ability, assuming it could be done at all.

So I think it makes sense to continuously evaluate his leadership abilities. Otherwise, what is the reason for his candidacy? Why is he running?

[sufrommich]

85. That's a different argument. I'm not going to attribute behavior on the

internet by anonymous posters to Sanders. You get paid to make informed arguments in favor of democrats,that's a respectable position,when you start arguing that posters on DU are proof of a politician's abilities,it's time to step away from DU for a bit.

[stevenleser]

93. What do you think will happen if I expand that beyond DU to Common Dreams, Firedoglake...

in person, etc?

Do you think I will find Bernie supporters in general behaving substantially differently anywhere?

He seems to attract the "more-progressive-than-thou" folks to his candidacy who have magical thinking that indicates that all he has to do is walk up to a microphone, say "We're going to pass this progressive legislation!" and Republicans will vote for it.

There are a lot of ways to gauge leadership. One of the simple ways is to see whether people who say they support you actually follow you.

I stand by what I said. The fact that folks here who support him don't seem to follow him is a statement on his leadership ability.

[whatchamacallit]

105. Then by your stellar logic

Hillary is responsible for PUMA.

[GummyBearz]

78. How would hillary get anything done with the Republican congress?

Oh I forgot... they share many of the same goals. You cornered me with that one, I have to admit

[stevenleser]

81. Hillary isn't running on the implied promise to get transformative progressive legislation passed

through a Republican congress. That's not a question she needs to answer.

[GummyBearz]

90. I thought she wants to change things for the middle class?

How does she do that without going through congress? Is that another thing in a long list of questions she does not need to answer? Or does it fall under her plan to make a plan? Or maybe... just maybe, she doesn't give a shit about the middle class and will actually introduce pro-1%er legislation that her GOP friends will all pass.. hmm, I wonder

[NCTraveler]

116. "they share many of the same goals."

You are feeding the crazies. Some actually believe what you typed there. They are a very special some, but some none the less. You parody is going to fall of deaf ears as it too closely mirrors the absolute foolishness of some. In order for the parody to work a small distinction must be made. Then again, those believing Hillary and republicans share many of the same goals are so inept that they wouldn't understand anyway.

[morningfog]

99. How stupid. We aren't proselytes.

He can run his campaign as he sees fit.

We can challenge and criticize Hillary on a tiny message board. The two have nothing to do with each other.

[stevenleser]

103. And in that regard, you are excellent stand ins for Republicans, because they wont be either

But you seem to think he will get transformative progressive legislation passed through them.

Tell me what you think is more difficult, Bernie leading you to follow his example, or Bernie leading Republicans to pass transformative progressive legislation?

[morningfog]

106. This is about the dumbest question I've ever been asked.

Dog stupid question.

[stevenleser]

113. You only say that because you don't like the implication and don't want to admit it.

If we imagine an alternative universe where Bernie is sworn in on January 21, 2017, by March 31 2017, he would be a lame duck in a destroyed Presidency.

[L0oniX]

80. So now the Hillary bots have company.

[cherokeeprogressive]

88. So to make your point you post an OP calling Sanders' supporters a derogatory name.

?

[morningfog]

100. Flame bait gets flames. An attention, that's what it's all about.

Feeding egos.

[demmiblue]

110. This is true, but why don't hosts shut down disruptive meta threads in a timely fashion...

is what I want to know.

It won't solve the petty attacks (I am no innocent, btw), but I can see it helping the overall tone of GD a wee bit.

[Rex]

107. Back from 8th grade I see?

School let you out early!?

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. That 2008 script is moving along

It is amazing to watch the same crap 8 years later. There must be a graduate thesis in this.

[Faygo Kid]

119. My thought, exactly.

Geez, here we go again. Elections ain't pretty, people. Grow a spine. Criticism comes with the territory.

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. Well when you stop being partisan

This is transparent.

The FU Nader, be extension sanders, gave way to he can't win, One poster dug new territory. Muricans are not interested in policy and now this.

Silly season! In the meantime we are going to endorse big money. That's the obvious winner here

[trumad]

125. It's an entirely different script...

With much the respect to Bernie...he ain't Barack Obama.

[City Lights]

118. Whatever...nt

[jeanmarc]

121. I LOVE Bernie, so call me a bot!

I never really considered myself a hardcore socialist, but what Bernie says seems to always make sense and it is aligned with my values.

Hillary always plays footsie with the Wall Street types so while I'll get Supreme Court noms I'll like, I know the rest of her agenda is too far right.

[cyberswede]

126. Locking, per GD statement of purpose.

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