This just in: Bernie voted against Iraq Invasion!

[RobertEarl]

He actually took a stand and voted against war.

It takes a brave and fearless person to do that.

Kerry voted for it and he lost.

Who else voted FOR the Iraqi invasion and lost?

[NYC_SKP]

1. Hillary Clinton voted for it and lost in 2008.

And will lose again in 2016, and maybe again after that.

[RobertEarl]

2. Hilary did vote for war

Ya think she knows she might have won the election if she had just voted no?

[NYC_SKP]

3. I would imagine that it's a regret she has had to bear.

I don't know what the word is for it, but some people are known to be their own worst enemy, make bad choices.

Seriously, though nothing unethical probably happened with the emails, who puts a server in their home and runs their email through that, while SOS?

That seems to be asking for trouble.

[brooklynite]

4. Hillary Clinton supported the IWR and got 18 million votes.

Barack Obama opposed the IWR and got.....18 million votes.

Their Delegate difference was in tactical decisions as to which States to compete for.

I'm sure you feel this is a significant issue; but the voters settled this in 2008 and decided it wasn't the critical issue you feel it is.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Why, then?

Why couldn't she beat a black man named Hussein Obama?

That seems like a pretty low threshold. Senator v senator, one with light skin and a familiar name, the other, well, not so much.

[brooklynite]

9. What an ugly comment to make

Point to any evidence that race played a significant role in the Primary.

The Democratic Party had two incredibly talented candidates to choose from. With the exception of IWR, their positions were largely the same. However, Obama's campaign was clever enough to focus on Caucus States where he picked up as many delegates as Clinton did through proportional representation in Primary States.

You're welcome to hold the IWR vote against her. But the bottom line is that if Sanders is going to beat Clinton, he's going to have to be as popular and as well funded as Obama was. Let me know when that happens and I'll start to worry.

[KMOD]

10. That's a pretty odd comment, SKP.

Barack Obama was loved since his 2004 speech.

My husband in particular had a huge man-crush on him due to that speech. We all did.

He was not a low threshold. He was exciting, charismatic, intelligent and admired.

Your comment really rubs the wrong way. I'm disappointed.

[Blue_Adept]

57. That's a lighter tone from SKP these days

A lot of vitriol coming through.

[zappaman]

47. Seriously?

You actually wrote that???

[NYC_SKP]

49. The best she could do was to tie an African American with the name Hussein.

She is fair skinned, had all that name recognition going on.

He is dark, and his name is a liability.

And the best she could do was to almost tie him.

WTH is wrong with these statements?

[zappaman]

60. I don't think you even understand what you wrote.

Nice try at trying to soften it though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. "Why couldn't she beat a black man...? "

Be careful, your slip is showing.

[former9thward]

53. Obama did not vote on the IWR.

He was not in the Senate at that time. Don't try to mislead people.

[brooklynite]

56. I said he opposed the IWR; not that he voted against it.

And his opposition to the IWR has been a point a number of anti-Hillary people have given as to why she lost in 2008.

[former9thward]

59. I was in Chicago at the time.

I don't remember him opposing the IWR or making any comments on it for that matter. It is easy to say you opposed the IWR when nobody heard you say things. Would he have opposed the IWR if he had been in the Senate? Who knows. When you are actually a Senator there is a whole different set of pressure and other dynamics going on.

[AzDar]

5. Bernie!!

[RobertEarl]

8. Brave and fearless

Actually. I am mad at Bernie.

Mad, because he didn't run in 2008.

I am going to have some fun getting Bernie elected, oh yes I am.

[KMOD]

6. Meanwhile, in 2015, people are worried about jobs,

health care, college tuition costs, social security, grocery bills, etc.

[BrotherIvan]

13. Yes, and Bernie has specific proposals for those things and is willing to talk about them!

It's amazing!

[KMOD]

15. Yup, he does.

HRC does as well.

[BrotherIvan]

16. Cool, I would like to read them

Could you give me a link? I can't find anything on her website.

[KMOD]

24. Just as soon as Bernie updates his website.

[BrotherIvan]

27. Here you go

He released his economic plan the day he announced. It's on his senate website right now as they build his presidential one. He's really specific which is nice.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[KMOD]

28. HRC has been around a long time as well.

Where she stands on issues is quite documented, and known. Doesn't take much to find it.

[BrotherIvan]

29. But since some of her positions have changed, I would like to see where she is for this campaign

I think it's unwise to make assumptions. So far I've been able to find this

Clinton … articulated four pillars of her still-to-come campaign platform; four “big fights” she foresees on the horizon: building “the economy of tomorrow, not yesterday,” strengthening families and communities, fixing “our dysfunctional political system and get[ting] unaccountable money out of it once and for all, even if that takes a constitutional amendment,” and protect[ing] our country from the threats that we see, and the ones that are on the horizon.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clintons-platform-comes-focus-including-some-surprises

I'll be interested to read more detail.

[KMOD]

30. You have no intention of voting for HRC

and that's ok. But you are in the minority.

[BrotherIvan]

34. That's not what I was talking about

I was talking about her positions. I am in California, if Bernie drops out of the race by then, I guess I will be voting for HRC. But that's not the point. The point is I have been hearing that her platform is already out and I can't find it.

[KMOD]

35. Well then you are not trying very hard.

HRC has a pretty extensive record. Very easy to research.

[CentralMass]

46. As someone who voted for her in 2008 I also would like to see specifics and clear stances

from her,and all the candidates on the issues. As we've learned from the past 8years, rhetoric and a likeable personality don't necessarily yield a President who represents our interests as middle class democrats..

As likeable as the President is many of his polices suck. Starting with his public education policies that undermine teachers and their unions. Also his pro Wall St actions starting with his vote for TARP as a Senator and the hiring of a score of former Goldman Sachs employees as his financial team I don't have the time to elaborate but let me put it this way: We ended up electing someone who said all the right things to the base but lead much differently. He often chastised and dismissed the left during his tenure.

I regret rubber stamping the pursuit of these polices (including TPP) with my vote in 2012. I am not inclined to make the mistake again.

I want to see specifics on the critical issues and if there is any related pending legislation I want to know if they support the bill or not.

[Doctor_J]

14. Sanders thinks healthcare is a right and has a plan to pay for it. Hillary wants to

continue guaranteeing huge profits to big insurance.

Sanders has a plan to make college free by taxing billionaires. Clinton is undeclared on that

Sanders wants to grow social security. Clinton is quiet on that.

Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to 15.00 and kill the TPP. Clinton favors "NAFTA on steroids"

What is your point?

[KMOD]

17. Some of Senator Sanders wishes are

pipe dreams. You know it and I know it.

I admire him for keeping topics in the spotlight, but these things don't happen overnight, unfortunately.

HRC has great plans to move us forward. Realistic and achievable goals.

[cali]

44. Some of Secretary Clinton's wishes are pipe dreams. You know it, and I know it.

Does anyone really think it's remotely realistic to expect there to be a Constitutional amendment outlawing Citizens United?

When Pigs Fly.

[Doctor_J]

11. ah, he was just grandstanding. not supporting the other democrats.

Not supporting the president. Letting the terrorists win. Hippy liberal pony rainbow stuff.

[AtomicKitten]

12. She will lose again, if not in the primary, then in the general.

And finally we will drive a stake in the heart of politicians who gamble with the lives of other people's children to promote themselves politically. A mistake she says now? No shit. A big fucking mistake. One that she will pay for at the ballot box. Again and as many times as it takes for her and her husband to just go away.

[KMOD]

19. It does not appear she will lose this time.

It's a long way off, but she is killing it in polling.

[AtomicKitten]

22. She's counting on the left's vote and has no clue that it just won't be there for her.

We're looking for more than a candidate who's running on name recognition and a giant pile of corporate cash alone, somebody that isn't afraid to answer questions, someone who had the good sense to oppose the invasion of Iraq and the odious Patriot Act.

[KMOD]

23. Polls show that she has the left vote.

Polls show that she has just about every demographic vote.

Of course things could change, but she's pretty dominant and formidable at this point. We'll see.

[AtomicKitten]

25. When America gets acquainted with Bernie in the debates, watch his numbers climb.

That's why Hillary vis a vis the DNC is trying to limit the number of debates.

She KNOWS what will happen the more people get to know Bernie.

[KMOD]

26. where did the keep clapping thing go?

I liked that.

I'm looking forward to the debates as well.

[wyldwolf]

48. and you have volumes of evidence to support that statement, don't you?

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. Hillary made a mistake on Iraq

[KMOD]

21. Yup. And a decade later, we are worried about jobs,

climate, minimum wage, college costs, food costs, etc.

Welcome to 2015.

[Purveyor]

31. So Iran, Ukraine, Iraq, ISIS, Syria, etc...that's off the table? If she made stupid decisions on

Iraq, shouldn't one wonder if she might stumble into folly again?

[KMOD]

33. Let's put it this way,

If those are your main issues, and you are not content with them, then yeah, don't vote for her.

The real world voter is worried about jobs, and social security, and college tuition.

I'm glad the Tom Cotton caucus of the Democratic party is being heard, though. Thanks. All of the issues should be addressed.

[Bonobo]

43. Wow, that was a cold, cold, cold bit of personal reflection there.

Sounds like she was talking about ordering the wrong thing at the Olive Garden as opposed to playing a part in the the deaths of hundreds of millions of humans.

[sabrina 1]

20. He voted against the Patriot Act too. The guy is so consistent it's hard to believe sometimes.

[tblue37]

37. That's because he acts on principle, not in response to polls. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. Hillary didn't vote for the war....

She voted to give Bush the authorization to use military force but she didn't think he would use it.

Which is even dumber.

[woo me with science]

36. "He actually took a stand." Kick and rec for HONEST politicians,

who do what is right and in the interests of the people.

Kick and rec for HONEST politicians instead of corporate sellouts who manipulate, message by polls, and do the work of Wall Street and the MIC.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Yeah. But, nobody cares about several hundred thousand dead and maimed now.

We should just ascribe the votes to support the slaughter stupid mistakes or "realistic" politics not war crimes.

[KMOD]

39. Of course we care.

One of my best friends served.

Some in my hometown died.

My goal is to prevent any future war.

If the republican's win, you will get more war. That's a fact.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. So, did Hillary or Bernie vote for the killing?

[KMOD]

41. George Bush did.

George W. Bush brought us to war.

I'm younger than you. I have friends and peers who served.

I also know many young people who are enlisted.

I will not chance a republican win.

You want to throw caution to the wind, I don't

I don't want to see the young kids I know, ever involved in a war.

Throw away your vote, I will not.

[NobodyHere]

42. Well Bernie did vote against the Brady Act

I wonder how many lives that bill saved.

[sabrina 1]

55. Bernie voted against the Iraq War. I wonder how many lives that horrendous

criminal ongoing invasion based on lies, that cost. Actually we have some idea, the numbers are so big, it is hard to process them. Men, women and children and thousands of our own troops.

He voted against the Patriot Act and against the re-authorization of that piece of anti-Constitutional garbage.

He opposed the Chained CPI which would have cut benefits for the most vulnerable among us, benefits they EARNED.

He opposed the massive spying on the American people.

He supports the labeling of GMOs, in accordance with the wishe of 90% of the American people.

In fact his long record on the most important issues that concern Democrats is so impressive it is almost unheard of, even among some of our best Democrats.

Anyone who tries to smear this candidate is suspect to me because there is no way any Democrat could find fault with 99% of his position on the issues THEY claim to care about.

[cali]

45. Hillary's record and rhetoric are not encouraging as to war if she's president

She thought Libya was a great idea. It's been a huge clusterfuck. She advocated vigorously for military action in Syria.

She's a hawk. through and through.

[RobertEarl]

51. That's accepting a bad leader

The kind of leader we need is one who doesn't make such huge mistakes.

[sabrina 1]

52. He also voted against the Patriot Act

And against the re-authorization of it.

And he supports the labeling of GMOs.

He also opposed the Chained CPI.

He supports INCREASING SS benefits.

I can't think of a Dem Issue he isn't great on.

[RobertEarl]

54. He is amazing

Where has he been all this time? I know, but damn, we sure could have used him as president in 2009. Well, better late than never.

[99Forever]

58. I don't know a whole lot of things.

But I do know, with zero doubt, our next President won't be a scheming, triangulating, neoliberal, warmongering, corporate tool.

[brooklynite]

62. C'mon, you can think up some more original insults than those.....

[bobjacksonk2832]

61. This is another reason to vote for him

He is one of the few truly principled and honest politicians of this era.