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[jwirr]

1. I think you may be right on them agreeing on much. That is why I have been saying that she

needs to talk more to the people (not just the ones in Iowa). But when I do say that I get yelled at. Yes, it is a long time until the election but the early bird gets the worm.

[Cheese Sandwich]

2. I keep saying they are very different on the issues...

If they are the same on the issues I don't see why anyone should support the lesser known candidate.

It will be important for Bernie to show real policy differences.

[MaggieD]

7. Oh god, not this same lying ass chart again

This is so misleading it should banned from DU.

[Cheese Sandwich]

8. Great, which part of it do you disagree with. I looked over the whole thing and I'm ready with links

here to justify every element of this chart except for eating at Chipotle

[MaggieD]

10. Which part can you support?

LOL!

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Well, as an honest Sanders supporter I would most certainly say that Clinton has in fact rejected

some bad trade agreements, so claiming a red check there is vastly overstating things. Clinton voted against CAFTA. 8 Democratic Senators voted for it. Of the 8 who supported that, the bulk of them are still in the Senate and now pushing TPA and TPP. One of them is one of my Senators, Ron Wyden. Another yes vote on CAFTA came from Lincoln Chafee, then a Republican now potential Democratic candidate.
I have had people on DU suggest Chafee as an alternative to Clinton 'because of TPP' when Chafee is as pro free trade as it gets. That's daft and dishonest.
Much of DU was apparently shocked that Ron Wyden voted for TPA. He's always for these things. Being surprised that he and the Washington Senators are in favor demonstrates a lack of actual knowledge about trade politics. So does claiming Hillary to be some all out free trader. It's just not the case. I agree more with Bernie than with Clinton on trade, but also more with Clinton than with Wyden or Murray.
Hillary is a mixed bag on trade agreements. She's supported some I did not like, but she's also rejected some I hated. Reality is useful, rhetoric is not.

[Cheese Sandwich]

42. Bernie Sanders is leading the fight to stop TPP.

Hillary is not opposed to the TPP.

She also has very close relationships to the corporations pushing for TPP.

She has been very clear up to now (May 21, 2015) that she wants to wait and see what's in it.

I'm really looking for a candidate who is opposed to fast track and also opposed to TPP.

Hillary couldn't even do us the decency of making a statement against fast track. That's not someone I would want to vote for.

As pressure increases for 2016 presidential contender Hillary Clinton to say where she stands on the pending Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, her ties to avid TPP supporters won’t escape notice.

One glaring example: A linked trifecta consisting of the TPP, the mega-investment firm Morgan Stanley, and the Clinton family that involves campaign contributions, former members of Bill Clinton’s administration and large donations to the Clintons’ foundation.

Morgan Stanley is one of many U.S. companies supporting the TPP. It’s a member of the U.S. Business Coalition for TPP, and since 2013 the firm has lobbied on issues pertaining to the agreement. According to reports filed by the company and its lobbyists, Morgan Stanley spent $4.04 million in 2013, $4.82 million in 2014 and $530,000 in 2015 (thus far) lobbying on a slew of issues, including TPP. Lobbying disclosure rules don’t require a breakdown of how much is spent on any particular matter, so it’s impossible to know exactly how much of Morgan Stanley’s budget was devoted to the pending deal.

Morgan Stanley’s role in the Clinton orbit is multifaceted. Thomas R. Nides, the firm’s current vice president, was deputy secretary of state for management under Clinton and is considered a close confidant, though he won’t be taking up a formal role in her 2016 campaign. Nides was also Morgan Stanley’s chief operating and administrative officer prior to joining the State Department, and served as chief-of-staff to former U.S. Trade Representative Mickey Kantor in the 1990s.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/05/hillary-clinton-morgan-stanley-and-tpp-a-free-trade-triumvirate/

[NCTraveler]

41. This has been debunked.

You post it again and want it debunked again. It has been done.

[sabrina 1]

9. Those polls are only for registered Dems. And while her polls have been decreasing, Bernie's have

been steadily increasing, even with registered Dems. Eg, from being a virtual unknown to most voters in Jan his polls were 3%, to now as people are beginning to get to know him, at 13%. Among only Dems.

We have no polls on the crucial and biggest voting bloc in the country right now, the Independent vote to which members of both parties have fled.

THAT is who Bernie is hoping to talk to, to reengage them in the process by showing them that there IS a candidate who speaks for them.

Already we are seeing people say, 'I am going to register as a Dem just to vote for this guy because he really speaks for me.

And his campaign, and I hope to help with this, is going after non voters, I have already found one who is now converted.

No one can win with half the base, especially when the base itself has shrunk from over 40% of registered voters in 2008 to now 32%.

Bernie not only CAN win, it is becoming more and more possible than ever with each passing day.

He has a huge enthusiastic army of volunteers at his service, more than 200,000 last time I looked a week ago.

Nothing is more valuable to a candidate than genuinely enthusiastic supporters. It's so much easier to sell a great product than a mediocre one, and Bernie is the real deal.

[MaggieD]

11. Enjoy

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

[sabrina 1]

12. Like I said, his are increasing among Dems hers decreasing. I am enjoying every minute of having a

great candidate I am having no problem 'selling' as people are just starving for someone who they know from a long, long record, is actually on the side of the people.

[MaggieD]

14. They aren't decreasing

You can read a graph, right?

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. Saint Bernie went from a 60 pt deficit to 50. He'll be in the lead anyday now.

[sabrina 1]

17. A jump from 3% to 13% in just a few months is evidence that once people get to know him

they will support him.

Name recognition is part of the reason for Hillary's numbers right now, but once he has that then we'll look at the polls again, in about six months.

He is a serious candidate, and one of the main issues in this campaign is going to be the corrosive influence of money on our elections.

His campaign personifies that issue, a win for him means a defeat for Wall St. That message alone will get people on board.

All that is needed is to let people know who he is.

[sabrina 1]

21. As a former O'Malley supporter, I don't expect to be returning. Beauty if in the eye of the

beholder, to young people both of them look 'old' and both are charming in different ways.

I want who is best for this country. If that turned out to be O'Malley, in fact if Bernie felt that way, he would step out of this in a second, I would be happy to support him. He is a great candidate and so is Bernie.

[cali]

38. that's not what the pundits are saying- they're saying O'Malley

is entering the race too late. I like him, and I won't have a problem supporting him (again) if he starts to really make inroads against HRC and knocks Bernie out, but Bernie seems to have a sort of anti-Charisma charisma. He doesn't come off as a typical politician. O'Malley does.

[jwirr]

36. Thank you.

[kentuck]

3. You may be right about Hillary but...

...some may wonder if she is still a progressive at heart?

They wonder if she will be closer to Wall Street than Main Street?

Perhaps these concerns are totally unfounded? However, they are out there.

It doesn't help the image when you and your husband have accumulated about $30 million dollars over the last year and a half. People wonder if you might be out of touch?

The worst press that Hillary would get by debating the issues with Bernie would be that "she is talking about these issues to appeal to the Democratic base". She's a smart cookie!

[sabrina 1]

15. He isn't running to keep our priorities in the spotlight. If the Dem's choice of candidate can't do

that, then why is she their choice?

He most definitely can win. In the current political climate where voters are disgusted with both parties, Bernie is like a light in the darkness to many who had all but given up.

That is why he has already has hundreds of thousands of volunteers, revitalized by the prospect of having a candidate who is actually speaking for them, who has not been beholden to Wall St, whose positions on all the most important issues that concern them, has been consistent for decades.

There is no doubt he can win. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. No one is 'inevitable' as should have been learned last time. And when a candidate has baggage in the form of votes that do not go away and no, people do not forget such important votes, I wonder why the words 'even if she cannot win' are not used for Hillary also.

[sabrina 1]

19. I like O'Malley and was going to support him as it didn't look like either Warren or Sanders were

to run. But once Bernie announced, there simply was no other choice. Maybe O'Malley could be his VP, or a member of his cabinet. We DEMS in a Democratic president's cabinet.

O'Malley was polling ahead of Bernie over the months since Bernie was included in polls, going back to last Oct.

We'll see, the more the merrier, the more debate on the issues.

[sabrina 1]

22. Definitely, debating the issues so people can see who is the most sincere.

And if O'Malley takes corporate money, that will be against him. I hope he joins Bernie in refusing it. That will definitely be one of the most important issues in this campaign, finally. Should have been a long time ago.

[onecaliberal]

6. When you accept big money from banks and corporations d

They expect something in return. To deny that fact is to deny reality. That is all.

[Paka]

24. She never was a progressive at heart.

The more she tries to sell herself as progressive, the more phony it sounds. Bernie doesn't have to pretend to be progressive, he has a record to prove it. HRC, not so much.

[whatchamacallit]

23. How many times have you posted slight variations of this theme?

Your "appreciation of", and doubts about Bernie Sanders are noted... again.

[NCTraveler]

40. Yes, they are.

But please don't remember the things they post. That would be bad.

[woo me with science]

29. More manipulative corporate messaging.

Sure you're "thrilled."

Your pattern of posts with positive headlines about Bernie, but with messages trashing him inside, is noted.

Is there a goal of getting glowing messages about Bernie, with a low number of recs, on the board? Because it sure seems so.

The corporate messaging is so manipulative. There's never a straightforward set of posts laying out Hillary's record and making a case that she would be the best representative of the people. Instead, we get this oily game-playing....manipulative headlines that say the opposite of what the post says, or cynical, Orwellian praise for her not talking to the press or voters.

This is exactly why Bernie is rising in the polls, and Hillary is falling. People are so weary of being played and lied to and manipulated. We are so tired of the contempt to our faces.

Bernie is honest. That's such a breath of fresh air. He is reminding us of what voters are supposed to be able to expect from a representative political process....and by sheer contrast he is driving home the utter contempt with which we are treated by corporate politicians and their messaging machines.

[G_j]

34. Yes he is honest, actually, factually,

check his record

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. I'm "thrilled" too.

[delrem]

35. So, is Bernie actually a Blue Dog Third-Way Dem?

Or is Hillary actually a Democratic Socialist?

Or is there no difference between Third-Way and....???

But I thought the claim was that there's no real difference between Hillary and Elizabeth.
I guess that claim doesn't do the trick anymore.

Anyway, I'm so very much reassured that "HRC stands with him (Bernie) on most of the very same issues", because you said so. And really, what more reassurance do I need?

[NCTraveler]

39. Go Sanders and Hillary.

Both rock stars of our party.