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brer cat

(24,524 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:20 AM May 2015

The White House Plan to Save the Monarch Butterfly: Build a Butterfly Highway

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/21/the-white-house-plan-to-save-the-monarch-butterfly-build-a-butterfly-highway/?tid=hp_mm&hpid=z3

"Traffic on Interstate-35 is about to get a lot … buggier.

That’s thanks to President Obama, newfound friend to imperiled pollinators everywhere, and his strategy for protecting the nation’s insects. Among the proposals is a plan to create a pollinator highway along the I-35 corridor, which extends from Mexico to Minnesota and follows a main route for the annual monarch butterfly migration.
"

snip

"Also included in the White House plan are $1.2 million for the Monarch Conservation Fund, a project of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, and another $2 million for Fish and Wildlife Service habitat restoration and outreach."

Glad to see PBO administration is making plans to help alleviate the disappearing habitats of the Monarchs.
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The White House Plan to Save the Monarch Butterfly: Build a Butterfly Highway (Original Post) brer cat May 2015 OP
How effective can it be though without dealing with the issue of neonicotinoid pesticides? cali May 2015 #1
That's it in a nutshell gregcrawford May 2015 #11
Actually the loss of milkweed due to use on farmland is the bigger factor, also connected to roundup bettyellen May 2015 #21
I think this is an excellent idea bigtree May 2015 #2
I agree. brer cat May 2015 #4
Old butterfly highway HelenWheels May 2015 #3
I don't know how to get rid of the poison lawn business. brer cat May 2015 #5
And way more fertilizer than necessary. Nitram May 2015 #6
I think the higway is an excellent idea. Nitram May 2015 #7
... brer cat May 2015 #13
...? Nitram May 2015 #17
I didn't think about that. brer cat May 2015 #16
Our neighbor is the same way and we are organic farmers fasttense May 2015 #9
one reason i dont claim to be organic. mopinko May 2015 #19
High speed windshields vs butterfly anyone? Telcontar May 2015 #8
That's the first thing that popped into my mind too. fasttense May 2015 #14
Way to go PBO Botany May 2015 #10
Least he could do, what with all of the Fracking and offshore/Artic drilling he has pushed. Dustlawyer May 2015 #12
That's right, Obama was to blame for the BP oil spill. Nitram May 2015 #18
No, but he did a deal with them before the 2010 elections to put the Coast Guard under Dustlawyer May 2015 #23
Dusty, that doesn't suggest Obama is responsible for the deaths of the critters you listed Nitram May 2015 #27
There is little to no enforcement offshore due to lack of resources. Dustlawyer May 2015 #37
I wasn't really trying to "spin" anything, Dusty. Nitram May 2015 #38
what you said... dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #36
I am an ecologist and this is a highly important move. Botany May 2015 #24
I agree, Botany. Nitram May 2015 #25
President Obama's actions of the last few days are very important Botany May 2015 #28
Obama really listens to his scientific advisors. Nitram May 2015 #29
If you get a chance look up this book Botany May 2015 #30
Xerces rocks - been a member for a couple of years now hatrack May 2015 #31
Thanks, Botany, I've read it. Excellent book. Nitram May 2015 #32
Bringing Nature Home* is a very good book too. Botany May 2015 #33
End the pesticide industry PO. End the oil industry PO. That will save the butterflies and Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #15
Hope it's a seriously wide corridor . . . . hatrack May 2015 #20
Bees, butterflies and dolphins too... raindaddy May 2015 #22
great idea. MBS May 2015 #26
Mean while tennstar May 2015 #34
If someone wants to really appreciate monarch butterflies, travel to Greek island of Rhodes... cascadiance May 2015 #35
I had butterfly trees in my childhood neighborhood, but nothing like that! Brother Buzz May 2015 #39
That is amazing! nt brer cat May 2015 #40
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. How effective can it be though without dealing with the issue of neonicotinoid pesticides?
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:38 AM
May 2015

neonicotinoid pesticides are considered a prime culprit in both monarch butterfly and bee declines.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
11. That's it in a nutshell
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:40 AM
May 2015

The administration is just blowing smoke up everyone's nether portal with talk of flowers and "highways," in order to distract attention from the glaring problem of neonicitinoids. After all, we don't want to piss off the evil psychopaths that run Monsanto, Du Pont, and Bayer, now do we? Might lose out on all the nice bribes - er... I mean, campaign contributions.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. Actually the loss of milkweed due to use on farmland is the bigger factor, also connected to roundup
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:00 AM
May 2015

But not exactly the same thing.

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
2. I think this is an excellent idea
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:22 AM
May 2015

...not that it will be a sure-fire cure for what ails the butterfly population, but I've seen some very positive effects of deliberate wildflower cultivation on roads in my state which is beneficial for a number of reasons.

Incidentally, Lady Bird Johnson was a visionary in interstate highway planting...

Today, perhaps most people think of Lady Bird Johnson as the reason why we see wildflowers blooming along the nation's highways and fewer junkyards and billboards. The Beautification Act of 1965 was one tangible result of Mrs. Johnson's campaign for national beautification. Known as "Lady Bird's Bill" because of her active support, the legislation called for control of outdoor advertising, including removal of certain types of signs along the nation's Interstate system and the existing federal-aid primary system. It also required certain junkyards along Interstate or primary highways to be removed or screened and encouraged scenic enhancement and roadside development.

It is part of that legacy that today the Surface Transportation and Uniform Relocation Assistance Act of 1987 requires that at least 0.25 of 1 percent of funds expended for landscaping projects in the highway system be used to plant native flowers, plants and trees.

http://www.wildflower.org/environmental_first_lady/

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
3. Old butterfly highway
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:23 AM
May 2015

There used to be mega amount of Monarchs passing through a small town in central Wisconsin. We used to have so many Monarchs around our house but we seldom see them now. Next door neighbor just had the poison lawn business spray their lawn. Damn.

brer cat

(24,524 posts)
5. I don't know how to get rid of the poison lawn business.
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:54 AM
May 2015

The desire for pristine grass drives me nuts. Not only maintained with poison, but heavy water use as well.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
6. And way more fertilizer than necessary.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:13 AM
May 2015

Which leads to aquatic algae blooms when excess nutrients are carried into streams by rainwater runoff.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
7. I think the higway is an excellent idea.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:15 AM
May 2015

Native plants will be used, which negates the need for fertilizers and pesticides of any kind. Will also benefit numerous other native insects, which in turn benefit our native bird species.

brer cat

(24,524 posts)
16. I didn't think about that.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

I have never been much of a lawn person, so didn't think about the fertilizer.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
9. Our neighbor is the same way and we are organic farmers
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:37 AM
May 2015

We use No artificial fertilizers or pesticides. Yet I think our neighbors use every chemical allowed to be put on their lawn. We keep a 30 foot buffer between their chemically enhanced lawn and our pastures.

But it does make an immediate difference. One year we had a huge flock? or group of butterflies land in one of our back field's maple trees. It was fall and at first I thought they were leaves being blown around by the wind but then I noticed they were going back to the tree. It was brown, gold and black butterflies. They covered the tree for about 30 minutes. Then they flew straight up and away. I thought they would spread out over our neighbors property but they didn't. It was as if they knew about the chemicals all over the lawn. Later I heard on the news that a huge swarm of butterflies was picked up by radar near the airport.

We have also had our lichen come back to our farm. It had gone away but it was always in our nearby woods. But starting about a year ago it has come to cover almost every tree and post around. But as you get closer to our chemical loving neighbors' property it disappears. It's kind of funny in some places. Where their property butts up to a real tall post we use to hang an electric wire that attaches to the electric fence, the top half is covered by 3 different types of lichen, while the bottom half is empty.

Keep up the chemical free lawn and soon you will notice differences. But know you are making an impact on your immediate environment.

mopinko

(70,021 posts)
19. one reason i dont claim to be organic.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:57 AM
May 2015

right next door to mr golf course lawn. great guy, but....
i've planted under most of my turf grass.

eta,of course the city is suing me for "weeds"

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
14. That's the first thing that popped into my mind too.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

I've seen swarms fly almost straight up and down. But I'm not sure why they did that. I've also seen butterflies smashed by window shields. I'm not so sure attracting them to the highway is a good idea.



Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
12. Least he could do, what with all of the Fracking and offshore/Artic drilling he has pushed.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:41 AM
May 2015

"Hey most of the crabs, shrimp, oysters, Dolphins, in the Gulf are dead, California coast and soon to be ARTIC covered in oil, but we saved the Monarch butterfly!"

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
23. No, but he did a deal with them before the 2010 elections to put the Coast Guard under
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:14 AM
May 2015

BP's control. They used Coast Guard planes to spray the Corexit. He "Approved" Ken Feinberg to be the "Independant" head of the Gulf Coast Claim Facility and the 20 billion dollar fund. Turns out there was no 20 billion dollar fund and Ken Feinberg was hand picked by BP (The court later found that Feinberg had always been BP's representative).
He could have required BP take care of all of the victims before being allowed to drill in the U.S. again like other countries have. He could have required better spill response before allowing Deepwater drilling again, he did none of that. Now the victims will have to wait indefinetly, especially after the government's fine is assessed. BP only pays out so much a year to preserve their divided payments and bonuses to the CEO.
We asked Eric Holder to revoke the probation BP was still under from killing 15 and injuring thousands in Texas City when the Deepwater Horizon blew up. Holder instead let them off probation EARLY!!!
The U.S. is the largest oil producer in the world right now, more than Saudi Arabia.
OBAMA has done many socially great things, but big business has always gotten what they wanted from him, and will from Hillary as well. Bernie Sanders is fighting this kind of influence over our politicians, which is anti-democratic.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
27. Dusty, that doesn't suggest Obama is responsible for the deaths of the critters you listed
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:31 AM
May 2015

I agree the government should have tightened up restrictions on the whole oil, industry, and forced them to actually put in place the safety measures and equipment they were required to implement when they got their permit to drill. But in the middle of a catastrophic recession, there may have been reason not to take steps that would further constrict the supply of oil.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
37. There is little to no enforcement offshore due to lack of resources.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:03 PM
May 2015

They have no new technology to make DEEPWATER drilling safer. They have not been forced to make any substantive changes. Spin it how you want, but OBAMA has been Drill Baby Drill all along and he has abandoned the victims and the clean up enforcement. This is what I do, I know of what I speak. Oil company money has been flowing to politicians as much as the oil they pump.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
38. I wasn't really trying to "spin" anything, Dusty.
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:33 PM
May 2015

I was merely trying to offer a different point of view from yours. But perhaps that's the same thing in your book. My perspective is that Obama has had to choose his fights wisely because he doesn't have a majority in the House, and didn't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. He's managed to block the Keystone pipeline, and I hope he will do the same with Arctic drilling - as will his successor - if s/he's a Democrat. He's accomplished more by exposing the right wing for the hypocritical obstructionists they are than he would have by vainly going all out for every liberal cause he actually believes in. If that's spin, so be it.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
24. I am an ecologist and this is a highly important move.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015

We should be happy when good things are done.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
28. President Obama's actions of the last few days are very important
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:41 AM
May 2015

It shows me he really understands the importance of native pollinators, insects, and
native plants. I have been working in this field as part of my small business for years
and for the President to step up publicly and take these actions really is good news.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
29. Obama really listens to his scientific advisors.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:45 AM
May 2015

And understands what they are telling him. So refreshing after 8 years of an anti-science, anti-environment administration.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
32. Thanks, Botany, I've read it. Excellent book.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:54 AM
May 2015

Two others I'd recommend are "Bringing Nature Home" and "The Silence of the Songbirds." By the way, I just converted 10,000 sq ft of our lawn to native wildflower and grass meadow. It has been fun watching it mature during this, it's second Spring.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
33. Bringing Nature Home* is a very good book too.
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:05 AM
May 2015

If you ever have any questions about your meadow please send me a DU pmail

* The story about the loss of the American Chestnut Tree because the nursery industry
brought in the Chinese Chestnut and then the decline and extinction of the passenger pigeon
because the American Chestnut was its top source of food was very sad.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
15. End the pesticide industry PO. End the oil industry PO. That will save the butterflies and
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

all living things on earth.

Band aids heal wounds, not the tragic effects of poisoning.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
22. Bees, butterflies and dolphins too...
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:10 AM
May 2015

They're also working on a wet suit for dolphins that will protect them from oil spills. Sadly they will be too late to save the thousands of dolphins dying in the gulf of Mexico linked to the BP oil spill.

Note to White House: The problem is not going away until the chemical and companies are regulated.

 

tennstar

(45 posts)
34. Mean while
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:36 AM
May 2015

While the president announces his bug roadway he signs a deal with Monsanto to give them the patent to genetically alter bees and butterflies so they can with stand more spraying by Monsanto.✌️


Sarcasm

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
35. If someone wants to really appreciate monarch butterflies, travel to Greek island of Rhodes...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
May 2015

... off the coast of Turkey, and visit the "Valley of the Butterflies".

Seeing the huge quantity of butterflies in those forests there, and the *explosion* of red color they produce then they all fly up if someone throws a rock or something like that in the middle of their colonies in the trees. I still remember that from my childhood many years later.





If they could create a haven like that for butterflies somehow, that would really give people visiting it an appreciation of the value of these parts of our animal kingdom.

Brother Buzz

(36,381 posts)
39. I had butterfly trees in my childhood neighborhood, but nothing like that!
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

Most people understand the monarch butterflies winter in Mexico, high in the mountains, but they also wintered in California at sea level. I grew up near a eucalyptus grove that hosted a modest population. It was sad to see the numbers drop over the years until they simply stopped coming. Today, the grove is gone and was replaced with a McDonald's and condominiums. Progress, baby!

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