Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:25 PM May 2015

The anti Hillary people are making this place unbearable.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Autumn (a host of the General Discussion forum).

And this is coming from someone who has been on board with Bernie since DAY ONE.


I point out in a thread started by someone else who is alleging a conflict of interest of Hillary and Corning Inc., that all politicians act in such a way that a big business constituent AND rank and file constituents are benefited by their votes. Like Bernie did supporting the F.35.

Wasn't Corning Inc an employer in her state at the time Hillary allegedly assisted them in advancing their business?


Let's take a look and see what we see








New York
Aircraft Operations - Corning Hangar
348 Sing Sing Rd.
Horseheads, New York 14845, United States
Phone: +1 607 796 0624
Fax: +1 607 796 0147

Corning Enterprises
One West Market Street - 6th Floor
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 4488
Fax: +1 607 974 4050

Corning Environmental Technologies Manufacturing Complex, Diesel Location
890 Addison Road
Painted Post, New York 14870, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 1255
Fax: +1 607 974 1247

Corning Environmental Technologies Manufacturing Complex, Erwin Location
792 Addison Rd.
EJ-01-01
Painted Post, New York 14870, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 1255
Fax: +1 607 974 1247

Corning Incorporated - Canton Plant
334 County Route 16
Canton, New York 13617, United States
Phone: +1 315 379 3200
Fax: +1 315 379 3310

Return to top
Corning Incorporated - Center for Fiber-Optic Testing
103 Canada Road
Painted Post, New York 14870, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 3801
Fax: +1 607 974 3761

Corning Incorporated - Life Sciences
275 River St.
Oneonta, New York 13820, United States
Phone: +1 607 433 3100
Fax: +1 607 433 3161

Corning Incorporated - Manufacturing Technology + Engineering
Decker Bldg.
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 9000
Fax: +1 607 974 6730

Corning Incorporated - New York City Office
767 Fifth Avenue
23rd Floor
New York, New York 10153, United States
Phone: +1 646 521 9600
Fax: +1 646 521 9641

Corning Incorporated - Refractories Plant
Front St.
MP-RP-01-1
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 7763
Fax: +1 607 974 7869

Return to top
Corning Incorporated - Shared Services Excellence Center
Houghton Park, A-Building
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 248 1200
Fax: NA

Corning Incorporated - State and Local Government Relations
MP-BH-06
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 7818
Fax: +1 607 974 4050

Corning Incorporated Foundation
MP-BH-07
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 8722
Fax: +1 607 974 4756

Corning Innovation Support Center - Business Services Division
271 County Rt. 64
Big Flats, New York 14814, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 0206
Fax: +1 607 974 0256

Corning International
One Riverfront Plaza
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 9000
Fax: +1 607 974 5927

Return to top
Corning Tropel
60 O'Connor Road
Fairport, New York 14450, United States
Phone: +1 585 388 3500
Fax: +1 585 377 1966

Corporate Headquarters
One Riverfront Plaza
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 9000
Fax: NA

IDM (Integrated Die Manufacturing)
905 Addison Road
Painted Post, New York 14870, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 3420
Fax: +1 607 974 1521

Sullivan Park R&D Center
NA
Corning, New York 14831, United States
Phone: +1 607 974 9000
Fax: +1 607 974 34


Is this the same company Hillary is alleged to have a "conflict of interest "with?

I am asking, I am not absolutely certain. You see, I dont WANT to spend my DAY on a DEMOCRATIC message board DEFENDING the top DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, I am used to doing that on RIGHTWING boards, but I see I have to do that here as well.

Anyway, all I pointed out on another thread was that ALL politicians are guilty of helping corps who do business in their state so they can ALSO help their constituents with jobs.

This is why the big defense contractors and others make sure they have operations in as many states as possible, they get massive political support as a result.

I didn't want to spend my time doing this, for example in doing so we bring up the Bernie and F-35 thing, something I didnt know about until last week. I dont need to know about that, he could support a thousand of those and I will still support him because of all the obvious reasons why he OR Hillary are VASTLY better than any con.

I dont know what the motives are with the endless attacks of Hillary, I wish I did. I just know that as a Democratic Socialist, as someone who is FAR to the left of probably over 95% of the people here, I am frightened to death of a teaparty influenced WH, Senate and House.

I firmly believe it could be the end of the country and will put death by climate change on overdrive.

It is literally life and death for all of us, but in the NEAR term it is life and death for women and minorities and gay folks.
29 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The anti Hillary people are making this place unbearable. (Original Post) NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 OP
I Couldn't Agree More Corey_Baker08 May 2015 #1
Some. NCTraveler May 2015 #2
I am not talking about people who support one over the other, respectfully. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #4
As another Bernie supporter I agree. Agschmid May 2015 #3
Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio May 2015 #5
I dont WANT to spend my DAY on a DEMOCRATIC message board DEFENDING the top DEMOCRATIC CANDIDA CrispyQ May 2015 #6
Candida is becoming hard to treat. ChairmanAgnostic May 2015 #8
Especially when it's been claimed that... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #18
part of the honing, tempering, and shaping of a candidate ChairmanAgnostic May 2015 #7
The ignore feature works wonders. Scurrilous May 2015 #9
People complaining about anti-Hillary people is making this place unbearable. Capt. Obvious May 2015 #10
And very likely to be our nominee for President. DCBob May 2015 #11
You just have to imagine they're doing it with their hair on fire Blue_Adept May 2015 #12
I agree completely. Remember, not everyone on DU has good intentions. How many articles have okaawhatever May 2015 #13
Yes, Corning is an important business and employer in New York jberryhill May 2015 #14
Absolutely agree Proud Public Servant May 2015 #15
I am a Bernie supporter with great admiration for Hilary. pennylane100 May 2015 #16
It is a legitimate issue and it's being examined by quite a few liberal cali May 2015 #17
Republicans, attacking Hillary from the left. Kingofalldems May 2015 #19
You nailed an absolutely critical point ... JoePhilly May 2015 #20
you SAY you support sanders, BUT... i KNOW you don't! seabeyond May 2015 #21
I think I understand that NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #22
who is saying that? I have no reason to believe that the op isn't sincere in her support cali May 2015 #23
you have said just that cali. as you know. no, i will not go find it. you say you support sanders seabeyond May 2015 #26
Meta demmiblue May 2015 #24
I'd rather we get Primary 2016 Forum Blue_Adept May 2015 #27
yeah i thought threads whining about DU were supposed to get locked. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #28
This is how primaries go. It doesn't help anyone to characterize any criticism of Hillary as djean111 May 2015 #25
Locking. Meta discussions are prohibited in GD Autumn May 2015 #29

Corey_Baker08

(2,157 posts)
1. I Couldn't Agree More
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
May 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Some.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:30 PM
May 2015

I had a conversation with someone this morning on du that I would probably considered anti-Hillary. They were extremely respectful when laying out their case. Their reasons were extremely sound.

Now the posters claiming that Hillary want to privatize social security and being otherwise completely dishonest? Yeah. But the great Sanders and Hillary supporters make up for those with limited political knowledge or who are being straight up dishonest in their postings. Unfortunately, some of the posts take too much time to call out. They are done in a manner to appear legit yet they aren't. It takes time to call those out and they often just stand.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
4. I am not talking about people who support one over the other, respectfully.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

I keep wishing the supporters would follow the lead of their candidate.

Does Hillary say Bernie is too old, ugly, funny hair? I dont know, I sure hope not.

Does Bernie attack Hillary endlessly? No, I know he doesnt. He will criticize her where necessary, but will do so with respect.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
3. As another Bernie supporter I agree.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:32 PM
May 2015

It's a primary, we get to vote in and that's what counts... not the number of OP's we post.

But it is a discussion board, so I imagine they will discuss.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
5. Damn skippy! nt
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
6. I dont WANT to spend my DAY on a DEMOCRATIC message board DEFENDING the top DEMOCRATIC CANDIDA
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

Then don't!

People have every right to express their displeasure with HRC. Defending her is probably not going to change many people's minds. Telling us she's the only choice or we're all DOOMED certainly won't.

Reclaim your day! DU has a fab feature called 'Hide Thread.'

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
8. Candida is becoming hard to treat.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
18. Especially when it's been claimed that...
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

...(patient and Tony Orlando) could make it to-geth-ah!

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
7. part of the honing, tempering, and shaping of a candidate
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015

takes place when friends and enemies look for flaws and how to deal with them. The bandwagon approach that was pushed by Hillary and her friends was never as substantial or as powerful as she had hoped. Now that the training wheels are off, and she has begun to move more to the center from previously conservative positions, this process is shown to work. She still is not liberal, and she still cannot cut the corporate ties that she made back in the day when Bill was a governor of some backwater, backwards state. Surely, those ties are worthy of discussion.

It is not hatred, although admittedly, a few hear truly dislike her. I see the same soul searching and investigation about Sanders - which he welcomes. It is one thing to be a cautious pol, it is another to try to have total control over the media process. One is admirable (especially since those dark days of W), the other is frustrating. Too often, Hillary tends to go to the frustrating spectrum.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
9. The ignore feature works wonders.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:38 PM
May 2015

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
10. People complaining about anti-Hillary people is making this place unbearable.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:38 PM
May 2015

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
11. And very likely to be our nominee for President.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

How do they walk back all the crap they have spewed and will spew at her and then join the team to defeat the Republicans... or can they??

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
12. You just have to imagine they're doing it with their hair on fire
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

Or that they're like the crazy person on the street corner that really needs help in so many ways.

The main people doing this are easy to pick out, and just putting them on ignore will help since you won't see their threads at all.

It's when they post in-thread that it gets to be problematic, especially when posts are filled with misinformation at best and outright lies at worst.

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
13. I agree completely. Remember, not everyone on DU has good intentions. How many articles have
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

you seen that said the GOP is going to come at Hillary from the left? Do you really think all these people, with their incessant negativity towards Hillary are all good Democrats who are just too far left for Hillary?

Look at the statistics and that will show you it simply isn't true. Those who identify themselves as "very liberal" only make up 11% of the electorate. Not only that, those who identify as very liberal are very happy with Hillary Clinton. (per polling). When the make-up of DU comments and posts don't jibe with the statistical demographic of the Democratic voter (especially when it's not even close), you have to wonder if the majority of complaints are really coming from Democrats. I don't believe they are.

The far left on DU usually complain about all things that are center left. Their patterns are consistent. When we have the 43rd post of Hillary is a sell out to Wall Street, with very little fact, that isn't the far left as far as I'm concerned.

Look at how many people were posting nothing but Martin O'Malley is a God posts. When Bernie announced, the O'Malley folks stopped posting. What's up with that?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
14. Yes, Corning is an important business and employer in New York
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

Corning glass products are particularly important to the smartphone market, and one of the things the Department of State does is to promote US exports.

But it's a horrible "conflict of interest" or something.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
15. Absolutely agree
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

I'm by no means a fan of Hillary, and am currently inclined to support Bernie (though I have a soft spot for O'Malley as well). But the Bernie supporters here are becoming unbearable; as irritating as some of the Hillary supporters have been, their smug condescension still preferable to the vitriol-spewing that's happening in Bernie's name.

My own feeling is: if you are more animated and energized by tearing down other candidates in your own party than by defending and celebrating your own, then either your candidate is terrible or you are.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
16. I am a Bernie supporter with great admiration for Hilary.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

I just stay away from the threads that seeks to denigrate either of them. It has turned this place into a children's playground atmosphere with the mostly irrelevant and often untrue posts directed at the candidates.

All we should want as the final outcome is a democratic president. We should keep our comments relevant to the candidate's ability to serve us well and hope that the best person wins.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. It is a legitimate issue and it's being examined by quite a few liberal
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

writers and pundits who find the appearance of conflict of interest, disturbing. Hillary didn't need to make a speech at Corning and be personally paid for it last July. She is financially secure. It's fine to advance a company's interests as Senator or SoS. The problem isn't with that. It's that she took a personal paycheck after having done so.

If this was a republican, DU would be screaming about it from the rooftops.


Almost a decade ago, as Hillary Clinton ran for reelection to the Senate on her way to seeking the presidency for the first time, the New York Times reported on her unusually close relationship with Corning, Inc., an upstate glass titan. Clinton advanced the company's interests, racking up a big assist by getting China to ease a trade barrier. And the firm's mostly Republican executives opened up their wallets for her campaign.

During Clinton's tenure as secretary of state, Corning lobbied the department on a variety of trade issues, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The company has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to her family's foundation. And last July, when it was clear that Clinton would again seek the presidency in 2016, Corning coughed up a $225,500 honorarium for Clinton to speak.

In the laundry whirl of stories about Clinton buck-raking, it might be easy for that last part to get lost in the wash. But it's the part that matters most. The $225,500 speaking fee didn't go to help disease-stricken kids in an impoverished village on some long-forgotten patch of the planet. Nor did it go to a campaign account. It went to Hillary Clinton. Personally.

The latest episode in the Clinton money saga is different from the others because it involves the clear, direct personal enrichment of Hillary Clinton, presidential candidate, by people who have a lot of money at stake in the outcome of government decisions. Her federally required financial disclosure was released to media late Friday, a time government officials and political candidates have long reserved for dumping news they hope will have a short shelf life.

<snip>

By this point, most Clinton allies wish they had a button so they didn't have to go to the trouble of rolling their eyes at each new Clinton money story. The knee-jerk eye-roll response to the latest disclosure will be that there's nothing new to see here. But there's something very important to see that is different from the past stories. This time, it's about Hillary Clinton having her pockets lined by the very people who seek to influence her. Not in some metaphorical sense. She's literally being paid by them.



http://www.vox.com/2015/5/16/8614881/Hillary-Clinton-took-money

Vox was founded by Markos Moulitas of dailykos, among others. Allen is a Democrat. This is not a right wing smear. The facts are what they are.

Kingofalldems

(38,420 posts)
19. Republicans, attacking Hillary from the left.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

In my opinion they are here on DU.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
20. You nailed an absolutely critical point ...
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:43 PM
May 2015
... I am frightened to death of a teaparty influenced WH, Senate and House.


Bingo!

I'd suggest that rank and file Democrats feel exactly the same way, and everything else is secondary at this point. Most of those rank and file folks are very confident that Hillary will beat any GOP opponent.

For Bernie to beat Hillary in the primary, he'll have to get those same rank and file folks to absolutely believe that he too, would also beat any of the GOP opponents. It may seem counter-intuitive, but before those rank and file folks will spend time thinking alot about Bernie VS Hillary, they'll have to already have thought throug, and become very confident about Bernie VS GOP.

Tearing Hillary down does nothing to LIFT Bernie's general election chances into that position.

All it does is alienate those who would already vote for her happily.

They'll simply lump shrill cries from the left with the even louder shrill cries from the right.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
21. you SAY you support sanders, BUT... i KNOW you don't!
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:45 PM
May 2015

i say with insight to what is said, to allow attacks.

YOU lie....

* hey. not you as in you nojustice. you as in 'general', if one chooses not to support the populist group of sanders campaign.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
22. I think I understand that
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:48 PM
May 2015


peace out
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. who is saying that? I have no reason to believe that the op isn't sincere in her support
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:48 PM
May 2015

others have pretended to support him and used that as a platform to attack him. It's bizarre and completely passive aggressive, but it's happened.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. you have said just that cali. as you know. no, i will not go find it. you say you support sanders
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:52 PM
May 2015

and

i know you do not.

the best i have decided to do, is ignore much of what populist group is throwing my way and continue to participate in this election looking at clinton and sanders, and ignoring populist. because i do not support them. and when they put forth a comment like.....

fuck swift's comment on misogyny. she has nothing to whine about. look at all her money.

i will point out the populist mentality.

because you tell me social justice gets to be a part of this election. and i am taking you at your word.

demmiblue

(36,819 posts)
24. Meta
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:49 PM
May 2015
DISRUPTIVE META-DISCUSSION

Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.


I think I am going to start alerting on these meta threads. Maybe if more of us do, the hosts will shut down these kind of threads faster. They do nothing but disrupt.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
27. I'd rather we get Primary 2016 Forum
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

Let the cage match happen in there so that GD can do more than just be about the primary.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
28. yeah i thought threads whining about DU were supposed to get locked. nt
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:56 PM
May 2015
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
25. This is how primaries go. It doesn't help anyone to characterize any criticism of Hillary as
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:50 PM
May 2015

"endless attacks".

Autumn

(44,973 posts)
29. Locking. Meta discussions are prohibited in GD
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:56 PM
May 2015

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025307978

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The anti Hillary people a...