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StopTheTPP

(64 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:31 PM May 2015

List of Democrats that voted for fast track

Michael Bennett - CO
Maria Cantwell - WA
Thomas Carper - DE
Chris Coons - DE
Dianne Feinstein - CA
Heidi Heitkamp - ND
Tim Kaine - VA
Claire McCaskill - MO
Party Murray - WA
Bill Nelson - FL
Jeanne Shaheen - NH
Mark Warner - VA
Ron Wyden - OR

WA, VA, and DE are the hotspot of betrayers.

Well there's the list. It's now up to the people to respond.

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List of Democrats that voted for fast track (Original Post) StopTheTPP May 2015 OP
I understand that "my" senator, Bill Nelson, is not running again. djean111 May 2015 #1
I see that my Senators aren't on that list. MineralMan May 2015 #2
Sen. Bob Casey (PA), is NOT on the list Number9Dream May 2015 #36
83% of Oregonians OPPOSE TPA TPP fredamae May 2015 #3
I knew the corrupt DiFi would vote for it despite her cali May 2015 #4
Typical DiFi homegirl May 2015 #20
It's too bad they get to ruin us Faux pas May 2015 #5
Neither of mine did Liberalynn May 2015 #6
This sellout was because McConnell 'promised' them a 'vote' House of Roberts May 2015 #7
I am done with Wyden over this. JEB May 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #9
Yup. F4lconF16 May 2015 #14
It's time for Pete DeFazio now to be senator instead of him! cascadiance May 2015 #39
And this list is all but surprising... and in a few minutes nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #10
pleasantly surprised that my NY senators are not on this list. hrmjustin May 2015 #11
Here are the 8 Democrats who voted for CAFTA... Bluenorthwest May 2015 #12
WA senators represent their constituents best interest MaggieD May 2015 #13
Oh yeah, let's give Microsoft more money. F4lconF16 May 2015 #15
Microsoft employs almost 100K people MaggieD May 2015 #16
Microsoft made over three and a half billion in profit alone F4lconF16 May 2015 #17
Hmm, what's the cut-off that would make stealing not okay? MaggieD May 2015 #21
Corporate courts prosecuting torrent downloaders AgingAmerican May 2015 #25
This is about making fake copies of software MaggieD May 2015 #26
Where do they sell these? AgingAmerican May 2015 #30
No it's not. It's about downloading movies and music... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #38
Nice to see New Mexico Senators absent from that list. Applause... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #18
Wow, Cantwell and Patty Murray AgingAmerican May 2015 #19
Maria Cantwell was not the Atty General here MaggieD May 2015 #22
Gregoir is who I was thinking of AgingAmerican May 2015 #24
Cantwell and Murray both voted for NAFTA and for CAFTA, both in the Senate for CAFTA one in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #37
Where did you find this - TBF May 2015 #23
Here's one link I had found earlier. madfloridian May 2015 #28
Thanks - TBF May 2015 #29
You have a list of republicans too? B Calm May 2015 #27
You'd think.... MaggieD May 2015 #31
Here's a list of yes & no votes think May 2015 #32
So like NAFTA, passed by an overwhelming majority of REPUBLICANS! B Calm May 2015 #33
Yep. Only 5 Republicans voted no. Imagine that. think May 2015 #34
Cantwell and Murray better look over their shoulders... Flying Squirrel May 2015 #35
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I understand that "my" senator, Bill Nelson, is not running again.
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:35 PM
May 2015

I will drop him a line, anyway.
I have decided to not vote for or support any more DINOs. And I get to decide who is a DINO.
For the rest of them, I will just save the list in case they run for president or ask me for money.
This "lesser evil" bullshit just gets us evil, anyway.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
3. 83% of Oregonians OPPOSE TPA TPP
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:38 PM
May 2015

Wyden IGNORES us.

I called and offered an invitation to Wyden to "kindly kiss my ass".
Oregon Must Retire this asshole in 2016.

House of Roberts

(6,436 posts)
7. This sellout was because McConnell 'promised' them a 'vote'
Thu May 21, 2015, 12:55 PM
May 2015

in June, on extending the charter of the Export-Import Bank. (link)

Doesn't mean it'll pass, but it's apparently a trade that big business wants (ie. Boeing) in exchange for something else big business wants (TPP).

Response to JEB (Reply #8)

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
14. Yup.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:51 PM
May 2015

He'll have fun in his reelecion campaign. I don't think the Republican's will run as crappy of a candidate against him as they did with Merkley.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. And this list is all but surprising... and in a few minutes
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:08 PM
May 2015

off to cover a demonstration on this crap...

Some of us do get out there.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. Here are the 8 Democrats who voted for CAFTA...
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:28 PM
May 2015

Bingaman, N.M.; Cantwell, Wash.; Carper, Del.; Feinstein, Calif.; Lincoln, Ark.; Murray, Wash.; Nelson, Fla.; Nelson, Neb.; Pryor, Ark.; Wyden, Ore


Looks pretty familiar.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
13. WA senators represent their constituents best interest
Thu May 21, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

I think Microsoft is tired of having their software pirated by Asian countries. I can understand that. Microsoft is a huge part of the economy here. Regulations that would prohibit pirating in Asian markets will actually protect jobs in my community.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
15. Oh yeah, let's give Microsoft more money.
Thu May 21, 2015, 02:56 PM
May 2015

Microsoft is a big part of the economy, but they have screwed Washington every chance they get for even more profit. They are a horrible company, and will happily use this to hurt the local economy even more than they already do.

http://www.alternet.org/corporate-accountability-and-workplace/microsofts-staggering-tax-dodge-alone-would-fund-entire-state

Regulations that would prohibit pirating in Asian markets will actually protect jobs in my community.

How?

Edit: also this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016122863
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
16. Microsoft employs almost 100K people
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:03 PM
May 2015

Microsoft's main business is the IP of the software they write, which provides a shit ton of good paying jobs here. IP theft in Asian markets means pirates STEAL that software, make copies, and sell them for their own enrichment.

Do you think Microsoft is a charity? Or might they need to be paid for their work in order to employ 100K thousand people, and give them excellent pay and benefits?

It ain't rocket science.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
17. Microsoft made over three and a half billion in profit alone
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:25 PM
May 2015

Last quarter. Do tell me how they can't afford to pay workers--who, I might add, are treated like total crap.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/labor-issues-at-microsoft-prompt-talk-of-policy-changes/
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/your-smartphone-created-slave-labor-among-major-tech-companies-only-nokia-can-prove-its-factory
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/10/prison-labor-exposed-from-starbucks-to-microsoft-a-sampling-of-what-us-prisoners-make-for-whom-2799774.html

And of course, that's also ignoring their constant drive to outsource their labor, made even easier under the TPP.

Microsoft doesn't give two shits about the local community. They make profit of our backs. They are among the worst of the tech giants. I'm not interested in giving them more ways to hurt me and the local area.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. Hmm, what's the cut-off that would make stealing not okay?
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

So is stealing from them (and subsequently their workers) okay if they make over a certain amount?

As for your comments about the company, I live here. My wife used to work for them before she retired. We have many, many friends that work for them. Our schools are awesome because of them. And I should know because my son went to those schools. They are better than many private schools and funded by property taxes of the employees that are well paid. We have a diverse community because of Microsoft.

Our unemployment rate is low and our home prices held much of their value and rebounded afterwards because of Microsoft.

Microsoft stood with us in the GLBT community to help anti-discrimination laws, DPP laws, and finally marriage. And not just with their voice, but with their political advocacy donations. Microsoft was one of the first companies to provide free health insurance and life insurance to the domestic partners of its GLBT employees (at least 15 years ago, because that is when I had them).

Microsoft gives their employees PAID time off to work for non-profit organizations in the community -- whichever non-profit the employee chooses (which inspired me and other business owners to do the same, by the way).

Microsoft sent FREE help via their technology geniuses to fix healthcare.gov when the exchange was not functioning right. And they fixed it!

You may hate them. But the people of WA do not. Sorry.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
25. Corporate courts prosecuting torrent downloaders
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:19 PM
May 2015

"The US push for endless criminalisation of even private activities...is frankly horrifying"
Sydney University Associate Professor Kimberlee Weatherall

http://www.cnet.com/au/news/digital-rights-and-the-tpp-the-big-trade-off/

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
26. This is about making fake copies of software
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:30 PM
May 2015

... And selling them. Do you want to pay full price for non-licensed software because you think it's a genuine copy?

Violet_Crumble

(36,382 posts)
38. No it's not. It's about downloading movies and music...
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:53 AM
May 2015

There was a recent case here where a US company took an Australian ISP to court to demand a list of people who'd downloaded 'Dallas Buyers Club'. Apparently they've been sending letters threatening legal action to Americans who downloaded it and settling out of court for thousands of dollars. These aren't people who downloaded it for commercial gain, they're just yr average person who downloads a movie and watches it. The company can't do that here. They can send whatever threatening letter they want and the recipient can pretty much ignore them. That's because the courts here aren't going to allow that company to demand exorbitant amounts of money and harass people with frivolous court cases.

Instead of having that IP stuff in the TPP (which Australia and Japan and some other countries are opposed to) the only fast tracking that's worth anything is US companies fast tracking movies and shows like Game of Thrones so we're not having to wait months to see what's already been shown in the US. There's another thread in GD about Game of Thrones and I haven't watched the episode they're talking about because even though I had HBO, a few weeks ago HBO geo-blocked everyone from Australia who had an account with them, even though we'd made the effort to get US credit cards and use generic email accounts that didn't have a .au at the end. We'd been doing the right thing and paid to watch it, but now we've been forced to illegally download it if we want to watch it.

So the IP part is just one of quite a few stinky things about the TPP, which is why the Left over here is overwhelmingly opposed to it...

btw, I was very moved by yr post extolling the virtues of Microsoft. So much so that I'm going to apply for US citizenship and vote for Microsoft in the Primaries. They shit all over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders when it comes to being caring and sharing!

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
19. Wow, Cantwell and Patty Murray
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:30 PM
May 2015

Cantwell spearheaded the trillion dollar lawsuit against big tobacco when she was Atty General here. She she protected medical marijuana patients and state employees when the feds threatened them when she was governor. Now she throws minorities and the middle class under the bus.

And Patty Murray too, normally solidly liberal. I am flabbergasted.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
22. Maria Cantwell was not the Atty General here
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:42 PM
May 2015

But thanks for your 2 cents, as inaccurate as it is. See my posts above. She voted to protect her constituents.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
37. Cantwell and Murray both voted for NAFTA and for CAFTA, both in the Senate for CAFTA one in
Fri May 22, 2015, 08:28 AM
May 2015

the House and one in the Senate for NAFTA. So it's hard to grasp the 'flabbergasted' thing when their support this week was entirely predictable based on their past votes.

TBF

(35,975 posts)
23. Where did you find this -
Thu May 21, 2015, 03:43 PM
May 2015

I have been looking for these today and couldn't find them. I had the list from the 14th but not from this morning.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
32. Here's a list of yes & no votes
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015
Overall:

Republicans 49 yes & 5 no

Democrats 13 yes & 31 no

Independents 0 yes & 2 no

Names and states included here:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/114/senate/1/183
 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
35. Cantwell and Murray better look over their shoulders...
Fri May 22, 2015, 03:05 AM
May 2015

They're getting a bit too comfy there. Their bread is buttered on the west side of the state, specifically King County, and I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only native Seattleite with raised eyebrows right now. I'd welcome some new competition for them both. I care about the welfare of the entire nation, not just my locality -- not that I really believe the TPP will help Washington State either.

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