Iowa Democrats flee Hillary Clinton over GMO support, Monsanto ties

[KamaAina]

http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2015/05/iowa-democrats-flee-hillary-clinton.html

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s ties to agribusiness giant Monsanto, and her advocacy for the industry’s genetically modified crops, have environmentalists in Iowa calling her “Bride of Frankenfood” — putting yet another wrinkle in her presidential campaign’s courtship of liberal activists who are crucial to winning the state’s Democratic caucuses.

The backlash against Mrs. Clinton for her support of genetically modified organisms (GMO), which dominate the corn and soybean crops at the heart of Iowa’s economy, manifested itself at a recent meeting of the Tri-County Democrats, where members gauged support for the former secretary of state.

A large faction of women voiced strong support for Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy until the GMO issue came up, prompting them to switch allegiances to Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont, a liberal stalwart challenging her for the Democratic nomination.

“I was surprised, because these women were really pushing for Hillary until they found out about the Monsanto connection, and then they dropped her like a hot potato,” said James Berge,Democratic Party chairman for Worth County, Iowa.

[leftofcool]

1. From "The Ye Olde Journalist" LMAO!

From their site:

"Ye Olde Journalist is a Scripture Based Libertarian Alternative News Source. We have been described as right wing, but we only accept that moniker if the opposite of Right is wrong. This news site is to educate the public on what is really going on in the world, and how it all ties in with Scripture. Scripture always comes first."

[sabrina 1]

4. So are they wrong? We are familiar with the 'attack the messenger' tactic, but unless you have

something to counter it, it is a fact.

I eg, as a woman, could never support someone who supports Monsanto and their bullying attacks on anyone who wants the RIGHT to have our food labeled. So that story is believable to this woman unless you have something that says it isn't true.

[cali]

9. yes, they probably wrong and that site is full of shit

Using right wing sources is just a big mistake. And using right wing sources to attack Clinton is just playing into the hands of the right wing.

[sabrina 1]

18. Yes, it is, but the question is 'are they wrong on this'. Never mind, I have found that she

has publicly supported GMOs and has angered voters in Iowa where the issue of GMOs is a big one.

Wow, that isn't going to help at all with most Democrats. Bernie otoh, while not entering into the debate on the science, supports the labeling of GMOs as the public demands.

[truedelphi]

35. First of all, the "right wing" infects most of the major politicians.

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Hillary Clinton herself is Right Wing, when it comes to endless war, endless surveillance, and she is also in bed with Monsanto and GM food.

Christians how are Right Wing are against Monsanto and GM food, and they are far more likely to know that over in Europe, some very decent science has been done that shows serious indications that the GM crappola injures the vital organs of mammals fed GM food.

The Christian crowd may be arriving at the notion of avoiding GM because their Lord and God tells them to keep clean the temples of their bodies, but they are smart enough to turn to science that is untainted by the buyouts of laboratories, including university laboratories, that is going on in this Corporate-Controlled Nation.

Meanwhile, the Centrist Democrats turn to Corporate-owned "science" to tell us that either all is well, or that "we just don't have enough data yet."

The idea that we "don't have enough data yet" to know if GM foods and seeds are good or bad is a most interesting one.

Back in the old days - circa 1930 to 1960 - the public did not get offered up an item until decades of data proved that the item was safe or dangerous. (Both asbestos and cigarettes were "grandfathered in - and that status meant that people in the USA died on account of being allowed to work in asbestos-contaminated facilities, or to consume nicotine, but many other new products never reached the work place or the market because of their manufacturers' needing to prove safety before being licensed by the EPA or FDA.)

But GM foods have had NO DATA. They were introduced under Reagan/Bush. Then Bill Clinton fondly promoted so many Monsanto people into heading various departments at FDA that he truly can be blamed for the contamination of our food stuffs. And his wife follows in his footprints.

Why is it that wheat is now in everything in our boxes and cans of food? Well, because American wheat farmers cannot sell wheat overseas any more. The wheat is sprayed with RoundUp and ends up being heavily contaminated by fusarium and vomitoxin. Americans are now eating this stuff and living on Zantac and Prilosec, as the fungal and viral matter now covering and even inside the wheat kernels is so devastating to human health.

[Dont call me Shirley]

44. +1,000,000,000!

[TheNutcracker]

102. Indeed. Also, lots of sources on this topic of Hillary's support of GMO's.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/hillary-clinton-just-plain-wrong-gmos

[merrily]

151. I am seeing this more and more: alerts on posts that simply

discuss issues because the alerter does not like the political position of the poster. Also more and more, I am seeing the post alerted on being allowed to stay, with the vote being 0 to 7 or 1 to 6.

While the increase in alerts that seek to censor contrary political views unnecessarily burden the jury system, I am happy that juries are not cooperating with the would be censor/alerters. Whether the alerter seeks to silence DU's left or DU's right, juries are not becoming complicit in the censorship attempts. And I think that is a very good thing.

Save the alert for posts that disrupt the discussion or that evidence bigotry of some unacceptable kind. Alerting because someone on a political messsage has a political position different from your own is an abuse of the jury system, pure and simple.

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First of all, the "right wing" infects most of the major politicians.
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[rhett o rick]

43. I think the OP might just be messing with some here. Those that look for any reason

not to discuss the actual issue. Are the HRC supporters saying that she doesn't support GMO's or are they saying that they support GMO's because she does? Rhetorical questions, I know.

[Agschmid]

149. No one here is saying that she doesn't support them,

On the flip side Bernie is also not "anti" GMO, they both support labeling. I don't see either really rallying against GMO's.

Bernie: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-let-states-require-gmo-food-labels

[rhett o rick]

152. Sen Sanders and H. Clinton are not the same on this issue.

While Sen Sanders may not have condemned GMO use he hasn't endorsed them as Clinton has.

While Sen Sanders has been a very strong supporter of GMO labeling, I can't find where Clinton has made a decision one way or the other. Would welcome a link.

What is interesting about this thread is that one side here disagrees with H. Clinton's close ties with Monsanto and her strong support of GMO's. The other side, if you will, seem content to discuss the source of this story.

[raindaddy]

53. How about this....

"Electing" Hillary Clinton is just playing into the hands of Wall Street bankers, war profiteers, biotechnology firms and the fracking gas companies...

[cali]

60. I would put it this way

Those interests will be quite happy with a Clinton presidency

[raindaddy]

97. That works for me....

[JDPriestly]

71. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I doubt that very many Iowa farmers oppose GMO seeds and Monsanto

products. They live from the per acre yield they produce. Enough said.

[Mnpaul]

98. Smaller farms don't benefit that much

after they pay for all the chemicals and seeds, they make just a little more. It is somewhat easier to do, so they save some work.

[Agschmid]

148. +1

[Agschmid]

147. The source is ridiculous.

The story may be true but please this is blatantly a bad source.

[merrily]

153. Attacking the source, not the facts of the story, is, in and of itself, not going to do the trick.

[KamaAina]

13. I wonder who on my FB friends list would have posted that.

[azureblue]

45. yep another Clinton smear post

from an America Rising employee. They are getting pathetic with their smear attempts. Next up: "Hillary has a love child sired by a Martian!"

[leftofcool]

88. Try the "About Us" Page

That is usually a good clue.

[workinclasszero]

56. WTH?

Ye Olde Journalist is a Scripture Based Libertarian

Ain't no such thing! If they are claiming to be followers of Jesus and at the same time Ayn Rand...does not compute!

I can see why lunatics like this are against Hillary though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

143. Ye Olde Journalist is a Scripture Based Libertarian

Jesus was a small c communist , the opposite of a libertarian:

And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had.


-Acts 2:44

That makes Ye Old Journalist a liar

Do you know what the Bible says about liars? It says this:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

-Revelation 21:8

[MaggieD]

58. LOL! Another DUer sucked in by a right wing talking point

Sad how easily played some folks are.

[MaggieD]

68. Well gems like this are a clue

http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2015/05/liberals-pressing-hard-to-make.html

"Liberals Pressing Hard To Make Pedophilia Legal In Preparation Of Sharia Law In America"

It's a fun article. You should read it. LOL!

[MaggieD]

75. What's clear is they are nutty

[MaggieD]

86. Yeah, I think a belief that "Liberals are pushing pedophila in prep for Sharia law" in the U.S.

Is nutty. You don't think it's nutty? If you owned a blog would you post articles like that? If you would I have to confess, yes, I would think you are nutty.

Sorry.

[MaggieD]

94. Well I hope you enjoy the site

[hrmjustin]

96. He won't be enjoying this one.

[MaggieD]

101. LOL!

[hrmjustin]

95. You joined DU to call Hillary supporters nutty?

[workinclasszero]

65. They didn't specify that the scriptures equals

The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged lolz

[99Forever]

89. The implosion is imminent.

The more people know about Hillary Clinton's associates, financiers, and policies, the less they support her.

By contrast, the more people hear from and about Bernie Sanders, the more likely they are to support him.


No wonder Hillary Clinton needs to hide from questions about her stances an the issue that are actually important to MOST Democrats.

[MineralMan]

2. Ye Olde Journalist?

I have several blogspot blogs. How many followers does that one have, I wonder.

Some sources are more important than other sources. I don't think I'll use a "scripture-based libertarian" blog to check on trends in Iowa, somehow.

[sabrina 1]

5. Are they right or wrong, that is the issue. We know about 'sources' and don't need lectures about

them. We need facts, if this is incorrect then post another source that contradicts it.

Democrats are FOR the labeling of food. Monsanto is not.

This Democratic woman supports the 90% of Americans who want their food products labeled.

So does Bernie Sanders.

Where does Hillary stand on this issue?

[MineralMan]

7. Are they right or wrong about what?

About Democrats fleeing from Clinton in Iowa? I'd guess "wrong" on that one. But, we'll know when the caucuses happen.

How about the one where this same blogger says that Liberals are promoting pedophilia and Sharia Law?

Sorry, Sabrina. I think I'll just ignore this blog. You'll do as you please, I suppose.

I do think you've picked a strange person to champion in this case. You might want to look more closely. That's a recommendation, not a lecture, by the way.

[NCTraveler]

15. This morning that poster was calling one of the only....

This morning that poster was calling one of the only Governors in the country to sign GMO food labeling legislation a part of the "establishment." Said Governor also signed legislation banning hydraulic fracturing(mainly symbolic), staunch pro-choice, and the first Governor to preside of a same-sex wedding.

The answer doesn't matter to them.

[MineralMan]

19. Uff da!, as my Norskie in-laws say.

I think most of the people supporting this have not bothered to go visit that blog. "Scripture-driven Libertarian" blog that it is.

Sources don't matter, if anything said is something you agree with. I wouldn't give this blog any exposure, frankly. It's a wackadoo Libertarian Bible-Banger blog.

Read down thread. In another post, the blogger says that liberals are promoting pedophilia to bring Sharia law to the US. Now, that's fucked-up...

But it doesn't matter. Never mind. Is this particular blog post wrong or right? Uff da!

[sabrina 1]

138. As it turns out, the criticism of the source led us to go investigate the story. And it appears

that we have a Democrat running for the WH who supports the 'most hated corporation in the world'. DUers are very informed on this subject, so it is a shock to learn that Hillary not only supports that right wing Corporation, a favorite of Bush Sr as we know, but has hired a Monsanto guy to try to help her in Iowa! Wow.

Sources DO matter, a lot. Not that the story isn't all over the internet now as it is really is shocking that a Dem candidate would support such a Corporation, that alone is a story.

This of course is going to help Bernie Sanders, not to mention all the other Dems who will be entering the race.

[sabrina 1]

20. Just found out that Hillary has publicly supported GMOs. THAT is a surprise to me. Bernie otoh,

is with 90% of the public on the labeling of GMOs.

Thanks for prompting me to do some research.

This is definitely yet another winning issue for Sanders.

The more I learn about where Hillary stands on important issues, the more confident I am that she will not win this election.

[MineralMan]

24. OK, sabrina 1

Second reply from me, and last in this subthread.

[merrily]

154. Responses to this OP from posters who claim their primary candidate is Bernie, not Hillary,

is interesting.

In general, the bit about attacking the source as the only reply is getting boring, too. If a story is true, what does it matter where it appears? And, if it is false, discrediting it should be both easy and a service to the board.

[sabrina 1]

160. Exactly, attacks on the source always make me even more interested in the topic. As in this

case and prompt me to find out just what it is people so desperately are trying to distract from.

We are all adults here and do not need censors to 'help' us judge the veracity and/or credibility of material that is posted here. We are perfectly capable of doing that, and especially from some whose own choices of political material are pretty questionable.

In fact it is downright insulting to mature, intelligent adults to have this constant attempt to 'monitor' what we watch, read and see.

And whenever I ask those who seem to feel we do need to have our books and other informational materials censored for sources they believe are credible, I have never received a response.

I read everything, cross check it and then decide whether it is credible or not, like most adults.

[merrily]

161. And refuting an incorrect story is often quite easy.

Attacking the source and attempting to leave it at that, however, is even easier.

Doesn't refute a single thing, though.

[NYC_SKP]

11. Don't expect an answer from this member. They never respond except in an emotional way.

I don't see links, I don't see data. I only ever see posturing and rhetoric.

Re: Monsanto, don't expect any action from Hillary, but then we know that.

And, here's my friend Casandra on the matter of Monsanto, I adore her:

And this one, not a friend but damn funny!

[MineralMan]

14. Dude...look one post above yours. #7

Uff da!

[rhett o rick]

103. Uff da! Really. Your post #7 says nothing about GMO's or HRC. Looks to me like

you are trying to change the focus. "Look over there"

So do you support GMO's in our food or just support whatever HRC supports?

[sabrina 1]

25. Okay, I just found out that HILLARY HAS PUBLICLY support GMOs! Wow!

Don't know about the 'women fleeing' her in Iowa, but there is no doubt that unless she can walk back from that many others will.

Another winning issue for Bernie. He supports the labeling of GMOs as demanded by 90% of the public.

I actually did not know she had publicly supported GMOs.

The ties that bind in the form of Corporate Money.

[NYC_SKP]

32. I'm in no way surprised that Hillary supports things like "suicide seeds" and ruining small farmers.

"Suicide Seeds" refers to seeds for plants which do not produce fertile seeds for the next season, thus addicting farmers to the seller of seeds year after year.

But the term is even more frightening, as many farmers, upon realizing that they've made the wrong decision, have chosen to take their own lives.

Suicide seeds.

Own it, Hillary. (this needs to be its own OP)

Rising suicide rate for Indian farmers blamed on GMO seeds
Published time: November 22, 2014 18:42

Reuters/Ajay Verma



Monsanto, which has just paid out $2.4 million to US farmers, settling one of many lawsuits it’s been involved in worldwide, is also facing accusations that its seeds are to blame for a spike in suicides by India farmers.

The accusations have not transformed into legal action so far, but criticism of Monsanto has been mounting, blaming the giant company for contributing to over 290,000 suicides by Indian farmers over the last 20 years.

The author of a documentary on Indian farmers’ suicides, Alakananda Nag, who has interviewed dozens of the relatives of those who have taken their lives, links the rise in the suicide rate to the use of GMO seeds. She believes small farms are particularly vulnerable.

“The large farms certainly have the funds to support themselves and get on, but the smaller ones are really ones that suffer the most,” Nag told RT. “Monsanto definitely has a very big hand to play. A few years ago it was illegal to grow GMO crops in India. It’s not like the suicide did not exist back then. It did, but I think there was definitely a sharp rise in the [suicide] numbers once [GMOs] were allowed.”

http://on.rt.com/k3qp8h
http://rt.com/news/206787-monsanto-india-farmers-suicides/

.

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[Dont call me Shirley]

50. 290,000 Indian farmers dead, that looks like a genocide, exactly what monsatan specializes in.

[NYC_SKP]

52. Very disturbing indeed, especially given how "friendly" Clinton has been with Tata and others there.

Every stone I turn over is hiding something ugly.

[Number23]

79. Your posts here just keep getting weirder and weirder. I call it the DU:GD effect

where people spend so much time sucking up the endless bile and foolishness in GD that they actually start to believe half this crap.

This OP was posted by a libertarian web site that also talks about how liberals are pushing pedophilia. Exactly what do they have to publish/say for you to understand that they are probably not a reputable source?

The others eating this garbage up have proven themselves to be beyond all hope and salvation YEARS ago. But your conversion seems alot more recent and I'm hoping can be more easily reversed.

[NYC_SKP]

85. Because I'm in an environmental professional field, I'm knowledgeable about Monsanto's history.

To the uninitiated, this might seem like crazy talk, but Monsanto has been destroying indigenous agricultural practices for decades.

That Clinton has taken money from them doesn't surprise me.

[Number23]

99. So sources and their obvious agendas be darned, huh? Carry on, then. I'm sure you've made

a ton of new friends here with this new behavior.

If the practices are true and as bad as they sound, then it would seem to me we wouldn't have to resort to libertarian scripture web sites for that information.

[Trajan]

109. The poster you replied to ...

Is basing his comments on previous information, gained elsewhere ... if you had read his statements ....

[Number23]

112. Yes, we've gone from reilgious libertarian blog to Russia Today. Quite the list.

[Dont call me Shirley]

90. ...

http://www.agentorangerecord.com/information/what_is_dioxin/sites/

[rhett o rick]

106. One more attack on the source trying desperately to deflect attention away from the issue.

H. Clinton supports Monsanto and GMO's. If you support her, why don't you support her stand on this issue in lieu of trying to explain how someone's posts are weird and trying to attack sources with ad hominem attacks?

"But your conversion seems alot more recent and I'm hoping can be more easily reversed." If you really want to "reverse someone's opinions try discussing the actual issue and not attacking the source of the story.

I support Sen Sanders the choice of the people and not billionaires.

[Number23]

111. That's so cute that you feel NYC Skp needs your help. Have you abandoned Manny or are you also

still his Top Defender too? That must be an incredibly tough job these days so I understand if you've moved on to others.

[rhett o rick]

115. And once again you try to goad me instead of discussing the issues. If you support HRC why

are you afraid to step forward and defend her stands on issues. You guys seem to want to try to insult posters instead of discussing actual issues. Do you think that is a good tactic?

I support Sen Sanders, the people's choice and not the billionaire's choice.

[Number23]

117. How can I goad you when you took it upon yourself to leap into a conversation I was having with

someone else? Why are there so many people here that love nothing more than to regale this board with their inability to understand how web sites and basic human communication works?

If you hadn't leaped into my conversation with Skp, I wouldn't be talking to you at all. That is the complete ANTITHESIS of me goading you. And with your "If you love Hillary so much, why don't you advocate for her??!" garbage that you spew all over this web site anytime anyone dares to say anything other than they want to dip Bernie Sanders in hot fudge and lick him clean, if anyone is goading anybody, it's you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

145. That left a mark./NT

[sabrina 1]

135. Lol, me too Rhett. No Monsanto support from Bernie. This is going to be very good for him.

Monsanto, the 'most hated Corporation in the World'. I truly never thought that any Democrat running for office would support that right wing corporation. Bush Sr. loved Monsanto airc. Used to go their plant to try to boost their 'image' wearing a white coat!

Who ever thought we have a Dem running for the WH doing the same thing?

[zappaman]

136. !!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

144. The cliques on this board are evocative of high school

Tis a shame so many have not outgrown them.

[sabrina 1]

134. Unbelievable. Just learned she has appointed a Monsanto guy to her campaign, supposedly to help

her in Iowa! All I can say is, this is all good for BERNIE!

[NYC_SKP]

141. Like Dick Morris, Clintons don't mind hiring sleazeballs. nt

[NCTraveler]

12. Here's the thing. It truly wouldn't matter to you in any way.

You were calling a democrat "establishment" this morning and he supports the labeling of food and signed legislation to that fact. One of the only Governors in the country to do so. Whatever the answer, you will just yell "establishment" at the top of your lungs. Her position wouldn't matter to you in the least and that is proven.

These are a bunch of sick fucking libertarians.

[sabrina 1]

27. Yes, he is 'establishment' and a backstabber, a reprehensible character. Who appears to say what

is convenient when he deems it necessary. Definitely establishment.

Anyhow, back to Hillary's position on GMOs. Apparently she has publicly supported GMOs. Don't know if the women fleeing in Iowa is true, but she has come out in favor of Monsanto.

That is going to hurt her. I certainly did not know this until now.

But it reassures me that I have made the right decision to support the candidate who on almost every issue, supports the majority of Americans and is not prevented by speaking for the people due to being beholden to Corporate Money.

He is completely free of the anchor of Corporate money.

This will be one of the most important issues in this elections, the corrosive effect of Wall St on our elections.

[clarice]

42. How DARE you bring up uncomfortable facts. shame. nt

[sabrina 1]

137. True, facts are very inconvenient. Though not for those of us who actually care

about this country. There is a huge effort from some here to try to hide certain facts for some reason.

It's a big internet now however, and a lot harder to control

[clarice]

146. True. What bugs me though is the attack methods some folks use ......

It's like NO other view or questions other than the mainstream will be considered.
This of course does not apply to the majority of posters, but SOME are very virulent.

[merrily]

155. Discredit the source at the link. If that fails, try to discredit the poster.

Neither has a thing to do with Hillary's stance on GMO's.

The issue remains Hillary's historical stance on GMOs. Nothing less, nothing more.

[MaggieD]

69. I'm going to say they are not just wrong, but nutz

Here is another fun post from the same web site:

http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2015/05/liberals-pressing-hard-to-make.html

"Liberals Pressing Hard To Make Pedophilia Legal In Preparation Of Sharia Law In America"

[sabrina 1]

123. Actually they are right about her support for GMOs. And I have to say after doing some research I

was very surprised to learn that Hillary Clinton supports GMO/Monsanto. That will most definitely hurt her in this campaign. 90% of Americans want their food labeled.

So even a bad source can lead to important information.

Bernie of course supports the labeling of GMOs in accordance with the wishes of a majority of Americans.

See how taking corporate money forces candidates to take positions against the people whose votes they are hoping to win.

Bernie has no such problems, not being beholden to anyone but the people who support him. He is free to take the right position on all of the important issues, issues where corporate funded candidates have to try to avoid, or try to 'explain' etc.

Get the money out of politics! This is going to be a huge issue in this campaign.

[MaggieD]

125. I think she supports starving people having food

That will happen when you travel to lots of third world countries.

[sabrina 1]

126. That I hope is not going to be her excuse. You know that this is a Monsanto argument AND a proven

false one. I am not even going to begin to desconstruct that false claim here in this thread. But to see that argument on this site, simply shocks me.

Ever been to one of Monsanto's 'victim' third world countries? Ever talk to the farmers who are now starving in any of those nations?

The ONLY place I have had to debunk that claim was back when I used to post on forums dominated by Bush supporters. That was exactly their argument.

Please if you care at all about your candidate, do not present that as an excuse for pushing Monsanto's GMOs. How arrogant, to destroy entire cultures who were independent and capable of feeding themselves UNTIL that monstrous Corporation destroyed their way of life, stole their independence. It's just disgusting, the total arrogance aside from the criminality involved here, to see any attempt to demean peoples who survived for centuries, until Monsanto destroyed their ability to do so. One of the saddest aspects of this whole tragic, Corporate invasion of the Third World, now moving into the First World.

I know what Monsanto and their GMOs have done to these people. And you wonder why it is THE most HATED Corporation on the planet.

[MaggieD]

127. It's not proven false

http://www.fao.org/english/newsroom/focus/2003/gmo7.htm

[sabrina 1]

129. Like I said, I would not be using a very familiar Monsanto false argument if you want to

support your candidate. It's embarrassing frankly to see that argument presented on a Dem site. People here are informed. Many with experience in this field.

Do as you wish, but don't say I didn't try to help you out.

Supporting Monsanto is not a winning tactic, especially among Dem voters.

[MaggieD]

131. It's from the United Nations

http://www.fao.org/english/newsroom/focus/2003/gmo7.htm

Not "Monsanto"

[hardcover]

162. That's what I like about Bernie. He's free to represent the people.

[jwirr]

21. The source is no doubt full of it. However, both Iowa and southern MN are full of Monsanto signs.

There is a problem with their policies - Monsanto's policies. What I want to know is first what Hillary's policies are regarding this issue and then if Iowa Democrats have actually said anything about it. Half truths are often based on some facts.

[MineralMan]

26. I'm all for GMO labeling.

I like all informational labeling. It won't affect my purchases, but I think it's a great idea.

I think the blog quoted in the OP is full of crap, though. It's a joke source, and nothing more.

[jwirr]

36. Agreed and I read that Hillary did talk about it. As to labeling - I am a diabetic and I have to

read those labels even when I have to hold them up to my face to see them.

I asked about Iowa Democrats saying anything because I know that there are clusters of farmers who die of cancer very young. My father was one of them and every time another one would die we all sat around talking about how unusual it was that so many were farmers. My father used Round-Up all the time and a couple of other herbicides.

[Dont call me Shirley]

54. Your Father...

jwirrr...

[jwirr]

57. Thank you.

[rhett o rick]

40. So you are attacking the source but actually have no evidence that the story is false.

I am curious. Do you think that it's false that HRC is a supporter of GMO's or that it's ok that she is a supporter of GMO's?

Or are you more interested in see how many followers a blog has?

Here are some other sources if you are really interested:

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/07/03/hillary-clinton-goes-bat-gmos-biotech-conference

http://www.naturalnews.com/049755_Bride_of_Frankenfood_Hillary_Clinton_Monsanto.html#

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/17/hillary-clinton-gmo-support-monsanto-ties-spark-ba/

http://guardianlv.com/2014/07/hillary-rodham-clinton-supports-gmos/

I am not sure who you trust but I listed the first 4. I could have gone farther but I doubt it makes a difference. If you support GMO's then step forward and enter the debate.

[workinclasszero]

67. Isn't the Washington Times owned by the Rev Moon?

Last edited Thu May 21, 2015, 06:45 PM - Edit history (1)

A well known cult leader and a right wing fanatic to boot?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Youve got great links...for freakrepublic and redstate anyway

[rhett o rick]

105. Ah yes. Shame on me. Do you think that's more important than real issues?

I saw that the Washington Times was included and left it in to see if anyone would focus on that instead of the issue.

If you support HRC and you support her stand on GMO's, why don't you discuss that instead of trying desperately to attack sources?

[workinclasszero]

120. Well I sure as hell am never going to use the Moonie Times

as a source for any damn story, I guarantee you that!

[rhett o rick]

122. But how do you feel about HRC supporting Monsanto and GMO's. That's the issue. nm

[workinclasszero]

133. Don't like that position too much but

How do you feel about this?

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut
He supported the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory.

By Mark Joseph Stern

In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that “if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html

Right wing gun humpers scare me more than GMO food TBH so Ill stick with Hillary, thanks.

[merrily]

157. Trying to deflect with an issue that has zero to do with this thread is a tactic that is easy

to see through. Much like attacking the source, rather than disproving the story.

[workinclasszero]

158. So I guess you stand with Bernie against the Sandy Hook parents

who lost their children to gun violence.

Good to know.

[merrily]

159. no, but thanks for confirming my prior post. Your aim is deflection and not discussion.

Then again, that was already blatantly obvious from your prior post. Therefore, I can't echo your tired "good to know" bit.

What I do and do not support Bernie on has even less to do with Hillary's position on Monsanto than anything you'd posted previously.

[Mnpaul]

87. Who is Jerry Crawford?

Along those lines, the Washington Post published a long profile of Jerry Crawford, a long-time Iowa political hand who is serving as an adviser to Ready For Hillary, the super PAC supporting the former first lady's run for the White House. The profile focuses largely on personal details about Crawford, such as his love of the Kentucky Derby, but affirms that as a former Midwestern co-chair of Clinton's 2008 campaign, he's ready to take her all the way this time.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/hillarys-pick-her-political-fixer-iowa-classic-illustration-americas-political

Monsanto is ready for Hillary

[sufrommich]

3. From the same source:

Liberals Pressing Hard To Make Pedophilia Legal In Preparation Of Sharia Law In America


http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/

[MineralMan]

6. LOL!

As a source for DU, I think this blog falls a bit short, somehow.

Lots of monetization, though. Plenty of ads there. A Donate button, too. This guy's got all the bases covered.

[LanternWaste]

78. Sounds just like every politician.

"Lots of monetization, though. Plenty of ads there. A Donate button, too. This guy's got all the bases covered..."

Sounds just like every politician.

[rhett o rick]

41. We've established that you don't like the source, what do you think about HRC support for GMO's? nm

[sufrommich]

70. I agree with her support for GMOs,as does the vast

majority in the scientific community.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7947695/gmos-safety-poll

[rhett o rick]

107. Then why are you upset when her support is discussed? By the way do you support labeling of GMO

containing products?

[NCTraveler]

8. If certain members here would have posted this, it would be the definition of ratfucking.

I know you are just having a little fun.

Then again, one of the only Governors in the country to sign a GMO labeling bill is being called "establishment." Go figure. Sometimes it is hard to figure out up from down here.

[cali]

16. I didn't call him establishment. I called him scummy

because he stabbed Unions in the back, pressed for cuts to social services, refused to work with the legislature which wanted to raise taxes on the wealthy, is working to make it illegal for teachers to strike and because he exploited a poor disabled neighbor in a land deal. I posted links to sources for every one of those charges, including links to VTDIgger- not that you have a clue as to what that is, Alternet, Seven Days and VPR. Yes, he's socially liberal and environmentally OK, but you and quite a few here seem to think that is the sum total of what it means to be a liberal.

Funny, how it doesn't bother you at all that this wealthy powerful man exploited his poor disabled neighbor.

You aren't like Vermonters. We thought that was a wretched thing to do- along with balancing the budget on the backs of Vermont's most vulnerable populations.

[NCTraveler]

17. Where do you see your username in my post.

It has nothing to do with you. And you called me arrogant. lol.

[cali]

22. because you posed as knowing more about

my state and its Guv than I do. Hard to see that as anything else

[NCTraveler]

30. That's why you thought you were being referenced in my post. lol.

I corrected some dishonest remarks you made. Nothing more. I backed them up. Nothing more.

"because you posed as knowing more about my state and its Guv than I do. Hard to see that as anything else"

I do love how a random post on the internet is about you because it is about a Governor.

[sabrina 1]

29. I called him 'establishment' and I'll add 'scummy' to that from what I've learned about him.

[NCTraveler]

31. That's awesome. nt.

[MineralMan]

10. I'm going to start a blog, too. I'll call it "Shark Jumping in America"

Maybe it'll get quoted on DU...

[truedelphi]

23. The LameBrain Centrist Democrats are so far from what most people really want.

On "Wolf" today, they are trying to tell us that the "fringe" elements ** in Congress are pushing to support Rand Paul, as he filibusters so that the Section 215 of the Patriot Act is stricken from the Act.

The Centrists in Both Big Money Parties want minor tweaks, stating that it is too hard to do what is needed to preserve a Democracy.

And few people here at DU realize that last week, in a most historical effort, Congress instituted a lawsuit against both the DEA and the DOJ, for going around the provisions of the latest budget.

Both the DOJ and DEA are apparently getting secret funding to continue to shut down medicinal dispensaries here in California. You can't tell us activists that these agencies would continue to send in personnel who continue to harass the owners and users of Medicinal Marijuana Dispensaries unless they had funding from somewhere or from someone!

And the latest budget enacted by Congress does not allow for them to get a single penny from the US Federal Government monies!

** As far as right minded people being "fringe" - two separate Pew Studies disprove this theory. Both in Spring 2008, and in 2014, Pew Surveys showed clearly that some 40% of us voters do not consider themselves beholden to either of the two branches of the ONE BIG MONEY PARTY.

(Only 36% considered themselves to be Democrats, and a mere 24% considered themselves to be Republicans. So this "fringe" of 40% is worth more than even the more highly respected Democratic Party.))

Instead, some 40% of us want to have a reform of both of the top Two Parties, and want the re-establishment of the Fourth Amendment, and the End to the Patriot Act, and we also want Universal Single payer HC, Abortion Rights, the end to Bank Bailouts, the establishment of progressive taxing policies, and the End to Corporate Control of Elections, the Media and the rest of it!

[MineralMan]

28. Here's the latest post from that blog:

"Five pieces of evidence suggesting that California drought may be a HAARP-manufactured event"

http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2015/05/five-pieces-of-evidence-suggesting-that.html

Wacko conspiracy theory nonsense. I don't think I'd link to this source for anything, really.

[sabrina 1]

33. Hillary has publicly supported GMOs. I did not know that, in fact probably wouldn't have believed it

Thanks to the questioning of this source, I did some research of my own and was pretty surprised to find a Democrat of her standing supporting Monsanto.

But that is the problem with Corporate Funding of our candidates. The strings that are attached. But wow, I would have thought she would at least have remained silent on this issue, a HUGE issue that is definitely going to hurt her.

Thankfully Benrie is not obligated to any Corporation and has supported the labeling of GMOs as demanded by 90% of the American people.

Even a bad source can result in obtaining the facts which is why I read all sources, good and bad in order to find the facts.

Hillary for GMOs, who would have thought that.

[KamaAina]

37. HMOs are not the same thing as GMOs.

They are, however, right next to each other in the O.E.D. (Oligarchic Evil Dictionary).

[sabrina 1]

38. Lol, thanks. I get myu 'MOs' confused at times. Though maybe the MOs are intertwined?

[KamaAina]

66. That's what many anti-GMO activists believe.

That consumption of GMOs leads to more people needing treatment from their HMOs.

[merrily]

156. I believe simply that I have a right to know what I am buying to put into my body.

[Dont call me Shirley]

59. You just did, LOL, to try to prove yourself Right.

[rhett o rick]

119. This isn't an OP about the blog. Seems you guys will do absolutely anything to deflect from

actual issues. Are you afraid of issues? If you support GMO's in food, fracking destroying our aquifers and the TPP destroying our workforce, just come out and say so instead of your attempts at distractions.

Support the candidate that supports the people and not candidates that are supported by billionaires.

[NYC_SKP]

130. Be prepared for a whole lot of deflection, attacking the source, etc. when there's no defense.

As one member put it, she was "Using the State Dept as an extension of the Chamber of Commerce".

I'm not a fan of big agriculture products and practices sent to cultures that have good, sustainable, practical agricultural traditions.

Hillary is all about trade and promotion. Pushing Monsanto (and likely getting paid for it through speech fees) is just business as usual.

[rhett o rick]

132. It's really simple. There are two sides in this class war and the billionaires that are going to try

to buy HRC the White House are not on the people's side. We are going to see a battle of the Populist Movement fighting Citizens United, the billionaires and the Third Way Democrats. It's funny but sad to see people trying to rationalize siding with the billionaires.

[MineralMan]

34. The actual author of this, S. A. Miller, is a right-wing

columnist for the Washington Times, so that's the actual source, not this pathetic blog.

The Washington Time? Really?

Any source in a storm, I guess. And people are reccing this Washington Times nonsense. Un-fucking-believable.

[NYC_SKP]

39. • • • • • Hillary Clinton Tied to Indian Farmers' Suicides. 290,000 of them over the last 20 years.

Her ties:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2015/05/18/iowa_democrats_flee_hillary_clinton_over_gmo_support_monsanto_ties_357281.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/16530-wikileaks-cables-reveal-state-department-promoting-gmos-abroad
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/reports/biotech-ambassadors/
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/genetically-engineered-foods/
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/23/wikileaks_cables_reveal_us_sought_to

"Suicide Seeds" refers to seeds for plants which do not produce fertile seeds for the next season, thus addicting farmers to the seller of seeds year after year.

But the term is even more frightening, as many farmers, upon realizing that they've made the wrong decision, have chosen to take their own lives.

Suicide seeds.

Own it, Hillary. (this needs to be its own OP)

Rising suicide rate for Indian farmers blamed on GMO seeds
Published time: November 22, 2014 18:42

Reuters/Ajay Verma



Monsanto, which has just paid out $2.4 million to US farmers, settling one of many lawsuits it’s been involved in worldwide, is also facing accusations that its seeds are to blame for a spike in suicides by India farmers.

The accusations have not transformed into legal action so far, but criticism of Monsanto has been mounting, blaming the giant company for contributing to over 290,000 suicides by Indian farmers over the last 20 years.

The author of a documentary on Indian farmers’ suicides, Alakananda Nag, who has interviewed dozens of the relatives of those who have taken their lives, links the rise in the suicide rate to the use of GMO seeds. She believes small farms are particularly vulnerable.

“The large farms certainly have the funds to support themselves and get on, but the smaller ones are really ones that suffer the most,” Nag told RT. “Monsanto definitely has a very big hand to play. A few years ago it was illegal to grow GMO crops in India. It’s not like the suicide did not exist back then. It did, but I think there was definitely a sharp rise in the [suicide] numbers once [GMOs] were allowed.”

http://on.rt.com/k3qp8h
http://rt.com/news/206787-monsanto-india-farmers-suicides/

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[justiceischeap]

46. Shall we add this to the Clinton Body Count?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

[NYC_SKP]

49. IDK, But since she was US Secretary of State, she probably knew NOTHING about these Indian suicides.

Let's give her a pass.

[sufrommich]

74. She "knew nothing " because they're a hoax.

Suicides among Indian farmers have not increased as a result of the introduction of GM crops, according to a large scientific study.

The finding runs counter to arguments often cited by NGOs in the country such as Gene Campaign that oppose GM crops. They say that the supposed hike in suicides is a tragic social consequence of farmers being forced into debt as a result of growing the crops.

Farmer suicides were recently cited by Prince Charles in a lecture via video link to the New Delhi based NGO Navdanya as one of the ills of GM technology. He spoke of "the truly appalling and tragic rate of small farmer suicides in India, stemming in part from the failure of many GM crop varieties."

But the new analysis suggests that if anything, suicides among farmers have been decreasing since the introduction of GM cotton by Monsanto in 2002. "It is not only inaccurate, but simply wrong to blame the use of Bt cotton as the primary cause of farmer suicides in India," said the report from the International Food Policy Research Institute (IFPRI) in Washington DC. "Despite the recent media hype around farmer suicides," it added, "fuelled by civil society organisations and reaching the highest political spheres in India and elsewhere, there is no evidence in available data of a 'resurgence' of farmer suicide in India in the last five years."


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/nov/05/gmcrops-india

[NYC_SKP]

76. Tell that to the farmers who now have to buy Monsanto products in perpetuity.

Tell it to the family farmers' children throughout the world who have lost their indigenous seed stock to unscrupulous death merchants sent by Monsanto.

Tell it to them.

&index=8&list=PLKyibEv__FmyYkczUI4bXM6Aou42HnjlO

[sufrommich]

77. Way to deflect. You claimed almost 300,000 indian

farmers have committed suicide because of GMOs.That's not only untrue but it's repeated even when proven untrue. It's as ignorant as any anti climate change rumor designed to deny scientific fact.

[Renew Deal]

61. Indian Famer Suicides is the Haitian Man Boobs of 2016

So far.

[NYC_SKP]

82. Yeah. Western corporate oblitheration of indigenous farming practices is fucking hilarious. Ha Ha.

[PowerToThePeople]

128. what do a couple hundred thousand foriegn lives matter when stock prices go up? n/t

[murielm99]

48. One of the things I like about DU

is the attention to links and sources. Exposing the right-wing sources has been very educational for me.

Given some of the content of this site, I would not trust anything they say.

Thanks, DU.

You are not helping your candidate by smearing Hillary.

[KamaAina]

63. I was not "smearing Hillary".

Although, as you can see, Bernie is my candidate, I merely wanted to point out something about HRC that hasn't been discussed much, even in the cauldron of DU. I was not aware that the source was dreck. My bad.

[riversedge]

163. If the issue is so important, then you could have found a more worthy source IMHO

[Gamecock Lefty]

55. GMO Corn = Yummy!

Iowa is huge corn country and lots of Monsanto business. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with GMOs. Quit the scare tactics.

[Dont call me Shirley]

62. Lots wrong with that, lots wrong with gmos

Quit the mega-monopoly-corporation pandering

[FlatBaroque]

93. OK

Very convincing!

[Mnpaul]

100. Getting sprayed with Roundup - yummy

Jackasses with a helicopter sprayed me when they were applying it in high winds. They got me and the organic garden that I was tending.

[WDIM]

113. Farmers are beginning to see the effects of the poison.

Higher cancer rates and other health problems are well documented.

Monsanto has been an enemy of the real farmers. Their only farming friends are the megacorporate farms but these farms' employees will also be feeling the effects of the poison.

[progressoid]

164. Farmers are being poisoned by GMOs?

Where are these well documented cases?

[slumcamper]

73. This Iowa Democrat thinks she has a LOT of 'splainin' to do! n/t

[guillaumeb]

80. Nice post KamaAina

If I post this link will I also become a "Hillary hater" or a dupe of the right wing smear machine? Well, here it is anyway:

"Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has expressed her support for genetically modified crops and crop biotechnology. In a 65-minute keynote appearance at the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO) convention in San Diego in late June, Clinton conversed with Jim Greenwood, BIO president, on a wide range of topics including GMOs."

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/video-hilary-clinton-endorses-gmos-solution-focused-crop-biotechnology

And then there is this:
"Speaking at a conference in San Diego last week for the world's largest trade organization of biotechnology firms, potential presidential candidate Hillary Clinton backed GMOs and Big Ag, further displaying her allegiance to the industry in the eyes of sustainable food and organic advocates."
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/07/03/hillary-clinton-goes-bat-gmos-biotech-conference

Are these also right wing smear sources?

[KamaAina]

81. No, they're far-left smear sources.

[guillaumeb]

84. I have been so blind!

I am certain that all of this past history on this issue and many other issues will be either ignored by the faithful or explained away as the candidate evolves into "all things to all voters". Amazing how the faithful can project their hopes and wishes into a candidate.

[FlatBaroque]

92. Her stance on GMO's

is just another in a long list of reasons I could never cast a vote for her.

[L0oniX]

104. Hillary Clinton Hires Former Monsanto Lobbyist to Run Her Campaign

http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/04/26/hillary-clinton-hires-former-monsanto-lobbyist-to-run-her-campaign/

Hillary Clinton recently announced that she will be appointing long-time Monsanto lobbyist Jerry Crawford as adviser to her “Ready for Hillary” super PAC.

Crawford has mostly worked with Democratic politicians in the past, but has also put his support behind Republican candidates as well. Anyone who was willing to support Monsanto’s goals would receive support from Crawford.

In the past, Crawford has worked with Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Bill Northey. Over the years, Crawford has been instrumental in fighting against small farmers in court and protecting Monsanto’s seed monopoly.

Just last week it was reported that Hillary Clinton is attempting to repolish her image and paint herself as a champion of the common people. She is planning to make “toppling the 1%” one of her primary campaign selling points, although she is obviously a part of the same ruling class that she is speaking against, and receives massive contributions from some of the most corrupt aristocratic organizations in the world.

[Mnpaul]

116. and don't forget Tom Vilsack

Monsanto old home day in Iowa.

Excuse me while I go puke.

[L0oniX]

118. As Iowa Governor, Tom Vilsack was a leading advocate for Monsanto. OMG

[WDIM]

108. Yes! Monsanto has been destroying and poisoning farming communities

For years. Any candidate associates with that company should be a no go for the farming community. If i was hrc id give the money back to monsanto we dont need your dirty money or your poison.

[tritsofme]

110. LOL, flee? So says some worthless no-name blogger. Sounds like wishful thinking.

Show me a poll that has Democrats "fleeing" from Hillary. Oh...wait you can't? What a bunch of nonsense.

[Dem2]

114. Oh, c'mon!

This is a joke, right?

[cascadiance]

121. And you wonder how the farming community might feel about the TPP being passed there...

... if other multinational corporations trying to sell farm products in other countries competing with UNDERPRICED American farm exports due to our farm subsidies might sue the government in the corporate ISDS courts to get those subsidies paid to them too, so that they can compete with American products! Now which side would the corporate lawyers of these courts take in these situations.

Certainly not our taxpayers and government's side. We'll be on the hook to pay even more taxes to cover these added costs to continue to pay farm subsidies to those entities that own pols like Joni Ernst, etc. that continue to keep paying them off.

Perhaps our companies will sue to get not only meat origin labels be removed, but other food content labels removed such as whether sugar is natural cane sugar or high fructose corn syrup, so that they can get lost profits from Mexico for losing sales here in the U.S. that don't want to eat that DAMN diabetes causing sugar substitute.

Well... MAYBE we'll have less undocumented workers moving up here to get jobs like they did from parts of South America when they formerly as farmers had to sell them off because they couldn't raise corn products, etc. to compete with America's "dumped" imports there that had them ultimately coming up here to be a part of their cheap labor force too.

Wonder how Hillary's campaign would explain these dynamics to Iowa voters if she wants to support GMO foods as well as TPP during the Iowa caucuses.

[MADem]

139. OH LOOK!!!! A story that came straight out of the Rev. Moon Washington TIMES!!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/17/hillary-clinton-gmo-support-monsanto-ties-spark-ba/?page=all

Not even subtle--that little blogger will get a backache carrying that Koch water!

[Wilms]

140. ^

[DemocratSinceBirth]

142. IT'S OVAH

[merrily]

150. Iowa reacted favorably to Sanders during Harkin's retirement celebration last September, too.

And, Harkin said Hillary might be too centrist. Please see this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025541280