Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:00 PM May 2015

Do you trust the "intelligence" from the CIA?

Bush and Cheney and supporters all said they were given "faulty intelligence" by the CIA.

If that was incorrect, we now know that the CIA was silent during the entire war in Iraq.

Even after Bush left and David Petraeus took over, the agency still had serious problems.

Also, one of their own lied before a Congressional hearing about NSA snooping.

Why should anyone trust the intelligence agencies? There is no proof that they work for the safety of the American people.

They were "faulty" with their intelligence during the Bush years and there is no evidence that their intelligence is still not "faulty".

Republicans running for President say they are ready to put "boots on the ground" again in Iraq and Syria. Do they believe the CIA? Red flags should be waving all around us...

18 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. Why? Did they finally tell the truth about something?
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:01 PM
May 2015

How can you tell if someone in the CIA is lying? Their mouth is open.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
2. Read "Hubris". It outlines the faulty intelligence fiasco
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:04 PM
May 2015

in detail. Basically, Cheney set up shop on the 6th floor and asked for ALL the intelligence on Iraq, even the intelligence that had been debunked by the CIA.

It was mostly faulty intelligence, but Cheney knew it was faulty from the beginning.

I do criticize the CIA director at the time for not speaking up.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
5. I will, also, add that the handful of Senators and Reps who
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:08 PM
May 2015
actually did read the intelligence report prior to voting, voted no. Those that read it tried to get others to read it stating that the Intel was flimsy and speculative at best.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. HRC's excuse for her IWR vote was that she claimed not to read the CIA Iraq WMD when given access.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

What does that say about her willingness to nonetheless get up in the Senate and advocate for passage of the IWR?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A new biography of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has once again raised the issue of whether members of Congress read a key intelligence report before the 2002 vote to authorize war in Iraq.

Clinton did not read the 90-page, classified National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, according to "Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton."

For members of Congress to read the report, they had to go to a secure location on Capitol Hill. The Washington Post reported in 2004 that no more than six senators and a handful of House members were logged as reading the document.

The Clinton biography, written by New York Times reporters Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr., summarizes the intelligence estimate, which combined reports of U.S. intelligence agencies about Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/28/clinton.iraq/index.html

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
8. And how do you commit your nation to a war that saw thousands of our nations
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:22 PM
May 2015

Fine young men and women die without doing the due diligence of reading the report?

Sadly, a question she will never answer, and thus my support she will never receive.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. The FBI recently admitted to lying about an entire field of forensics.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
May 2015

That there was no science behind it, but that they attempted (successfully in some cases) to use it as evidence in support of their prosecutions.

If they do this, then why wouldn't ever other government agency?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
7. The CIA has been shown to have lied to us SO MANY TIMES it's frankly a ludicrous proposition
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

to even consider trusting what they say.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. Not trustworthy in the least but who knows
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:14 PM
May 2015

how much of that "intel" was what DicKKK just pulled out of his ass and shoved down the throats of the CIA people?

"The intelligence is being fitted to the policy" is how I believe the Downing Street Memo put it.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
18. I am not a very trusting person
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:14 PM
May 2015

I take most everything and everyone with a great deal of skepticism.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Do you trust the "in...