After Today's Backstabbing... On A Scale Of 1 To 10... How Thrilled Are You To Support...

[WillyT]

The Democratic Party ???

1 being tepid...to 10 being enthusiastic.

As of this afternoon... I'm at a 1.

Now don't get me wrong...

I'm thrilled as hell to support Bernie...

And remember, MOST Democrats voted AGAINST the TPP... But...

The way the horse-trading/vote whipping goes...

Is that after the backroom deals are forged, then the REAL negotiating begins.

This will really hurt me in my state...

I'm not running, I'm retiring...

If you could get that Dam project approved...

I'm in trouble in 2016... could you come campaign with me, or...

I'm in trouble in 2016... could you stay the hell away from my state ?

For the people MY ASS !!!

[seabeyond]

1. 10

[sheshe2]

18. 10 here too. sea. nt

[ismnotwasm]

30. 10, yup

What a question.

[DJ13]

2. <1

[sabrina 1]

73. 1 and that's because we still have Bernie running.

No wonder Partisan politics is now on the decline.

The years of supporting a party only to find out that when it is most important to the people, they betray that trust.

[DJ13]

134. only to find out that when it is most important to the people, they betray that trust

I cant remember a candidate who didn't disappoint once they had our votes.

I'm going as far back as Carter there.

I was so hopeful that Obama was going to be the first, but that didnt work out.

Lets hope we can get either Sanders or Warren elected, they are the only two that I believe would honestly try and promote the issues they campaign on.

Hillary is playing it too coy, under-promising so we cant hold her accountable.

I've had enough of that game.

[peacebird]

3. Both of my Senators sided with Obama & the Repukes to betray the American workers

I am pissed.

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. Took a quick look at the Reublicans - Enthusiasm 11 on a scale of 10

[Wilms]

5. The same as the day before.

[AtomicKitten]

6. -3

[MohRokTah]

7. 11

Actually, on a scale of 1-10 I'd say I'm at 1,000,000,000,000.

[WillyT]

10. Yeah... But Moh ??? - We Need Each Other... Hell I Live In California... I Could Write In...

FDR, and it wouldn't make a difference nationally, or even state-wide.

For the time being, California is gonna go Dem.

But when Democrats and young people about to be of voting age, see this shit...

They get discouraged, they think... what's the use...

And in the past, I could give them the "pep talk"...

But not today.

And as I said, my state seems to recently be reasonable... and that could change down the road.

But as of this moment... I have very little fight left in me.

And I'm not alone.

[MohRokTah]

11. I'm not buying any of what you're selling. eom

[WillyT]

13. Well Thank You For Your Insightful Input

[Phlem]

69. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[sheshe2]

19. With you~

[Scootaloo]

59. Well Sheshe, we know you don't care what gets passed so long as a Democrat passes it

Must be a hell of a life, letting politicians form your ethics for you

[sheshe2]

65. Well Scoot...

Thank you so much for your condescending retort.

Well Sheshe, we know you don't care what gets passed so long as a Democrat passes. Must be a hell of a life, letting politicians form your ethics for you

Hmmmm. I sure hope you do not prefer what a repuke passes over a Dem.

[Scootaloo]

68. You're very welcome! You worked hard to earn it.

[sheshe2]

71. I have no clue why you are so rude to me.

I have never taken you on. Yet you are here trashing me.

Lol~ Have at it.

[greenfish]

144. Good point

If democrats stop supporting democrats we end up with republicans, who are terrible on every issue.

[sheshe2]

146. hey greenfish welcome to DU~

[greenfish]

121. Of course we do

Democrats do sometimes let us down, but republicans are downright destructive.

[JDPriestly]

66. Do you mean that you support the TPP and Fastrac?

[Phlem]

70. 3...2...1... and .....Crickets!

The silence is deafening.

[onecaliberal]

8. - Negative

[kentuck]

9. Sometimes I wonder if this isn't some type of Manchurian-corporate, science fiction plot?

Got any extra aluminum foil?

[840high]

12. -1

[cantbeserious]

14. - 1,000

eom

[LWolf]

15. I was at work all day.

I'm afraid now to go looking for what new backstabbing occurred while I was captive in the classroom.

Without any new events, I'd say I was already at a 1. There are Democratic (and other) politicians that get my enthusiastic support. The party as a whole...my support is somewhat limited.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

35. Me too... just logging in now. Barely skimmed an article earlier.

Last edited Fri May 22, 2015, 12:34 AM - Edit history (1)

I think the TPA passed the Senate 62-something because of some Export/Import Bank dealie Cantwell finagled. Need to verify that. So now, on to the House, where Pelosi has said she wants something to pass, but is expressing the obligatory reservations.

On edit: Links detailing what went down today in #78.

[JDPriestly]

67. Could you please provide a link?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

78. This Time, Senate Votes to Advance Trade Pact

....

The bill, the first to grant a president trade promotion authority since 2002, still must weather a bunch of amendment votes on Friday, but Senate passage is now likely before the Memorial Day weekend, Senate leaders said. That would set up a difficult showdown early next month in the House, where Mr. Obama will have to work to persuade Democrats to back him.

....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/business/senate-obama-trade-pact-export-import-bank-patriot-act.html?_r=0

Obama's trade bill narrowly clears a key Senate hurdle

....

The 62-38 vote, two more than the 60 needed, came from a solid phalanx of Republicans and more than a dozen Democrats. But the decisive thumbs-up came — literally, and long past the allotted time — from Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington after she and a few others seized the moment as leverage to demand a vote next month on legislation to renew the Export-Import Bank.

....

Democratic support is weak, given the opposition of organized labor. But Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the party's leader, has yet to announce her position and has said repeatedly she hopes to be able to facilitate the bill's passage.

....

http://www.wral.com/obama-s-trade-allies-scramble-to-line-up-60-senate-votes/14659915/

Mitch McConnell is happy. Awesome.

[Andy823]

16. Well Willy

If you really don't like the democratic party, you can always go over the right wing tea party sites, they hate the democrats to. Your choice.

You should realize this is "DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND" you know for "DEMOCRATS. Here is a link that explains all that for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[WillyT]

17. Don't Lecture Me What This Site Is About... If You Had It Your Way, This Site Would Be Filled With

People Like You.

And be the most boring entity on the planet.

[MohRokTah]

21. You seem to hate the Dems so much, maybe DemocraticUnderground just isn't for you. eom

[WillyT]

24. And Yet... I've Been Voting Straight Dem Since 1974, You ???

Are you inviting Long-Time Party Loyalists to leave ???

You might just get your wish... but then...

You might be one of those that wonders where everybody went.

Good luck with that.

[Alittleliberal]

148. Ignore him

We appreciate what you do Willy. There are some who are trying to sow distrust and bitterness in the left. If we give up, it's over. No one will fight and Oligarchy will consume us until perpetual war, mass starvation or an environmental disaster kills most of us.

[revmclaren]

25. So this is just a game to you...

Bash democrats for a Little excitement...

Give me 1000% boring any day! Very revealing.
Statement.

[truebluegreen]

40. Your concern is noted.

[sheshe2]

32. Wow!

You really said this? You really did say this.

Don't Lecture Me What This Site Is About... If You Had It Your Way, This Site Would Be Filled With People Like You.
And be the most boring entity on the planet.

Andy supports Democrats here. On DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND!!!!!!!!!! You find him boring? It would be a bad thing for this site to be filled up with people like him? What? Democrats? It is bad to be a DEMOCRAT on DU now?

WTF Willy? WTF?

It is a bad thing to have Democrats on Democratic Underground. How sad is that.

[WillyT]

37. Hey She... WHICH Democrat ??? - Check This Out:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706942

Would you still support Lieberman ???

Would you still support Zell Miller ???

Both of them are Democrats... and...

BOTH spoke at the Republican Conventions against the Democratic Nominee.

[sheshe2]

47. I am not into games.

You told Andy

Don't Lecture Me What This Site Is About... If You Had It Your Way, This Site Would Be Filled With People Like You.

Don't link me to your Democratic bashing Ops.

This place is filled with them, you lead the charge.

Yet you did tell me, if you post a positive it sinks. If you post a negative it goes to the top of the page. You said that to me.

[Mojorabbit]

94. +1000

I support Democrats, not the latest incarnation of Republican valued politicians who call themselves Democrats.

[Scuba]

99. Bingo!

[greenfish]

112. Who are the republican opponents

A resounding yes to either over Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee or other hard right republicans. Against relatively less hard right republicans, I might vote third party.
I always lie up candidates side by side and choose the better of the two.

[cyberswede]

113. Who is a "relatively less hard right republican?"

And how does voting third party affect the outcome?

Do you mean if the Republican is less objectionable, you might vote third party because if that causes the Republican to win, it wouldn't be so bad?

I've got news for you: any R would be just as bad.

[uppityperson]

115. Want to

play with it a bit?

[cyberswede]

116. Nah - no biggie either way.

[greenfish]

143. All republicans are bad but some are even worse

Cruz is worse than Huntsman for example. Same with democrats. Zell Miller is about as bad as you can get, but love Liz Warren. Disappointed in Obama today but generally like him.

[Andy823]

44. Yes people like me

Who actually do SUPPORT the democratic party, not people who keep saying the DON'T supper the party. Gee I wonder which of us belongs on a board that SUPPORTS the democratic party?

[sheshe2]

50. You do. I do. nt

[JEB]

60. If the Democratic Party won't support workers, who will?

Feeling abandoned by my Senator Wyden. I used to respect and support him. No longer.

[grasswire]

92. SEND A MESSAGE TO wYDEN

I called his local office today and also sent a message via his contact page.

[Nite Owl]

33. You know it isn't about hating

the dems, it's about wanting them to be dems. They are way to the right hanging out with the GOP, banisters, big corporations and the Chamber of Commerce. People who can praise and agree with that are the right wingers.

[WillyT]

38. THANK YOU !!!

[truebluegreen]

42. +1000

[Andy823]

48. So let me see

Willy asks how much you support the party, not how much support for those who voted yes today, but the party. Now look at the numbers some have posted here 1, 0, and some negative numbers. You can't tell me that has to do with wanting dens to act like dens. It'a about the party, and there are some here that have been posting for years like this, bashing the party, the President, and any den they think does not fit their idea of the "perfect" democrat.

[WillyT]

58. Hey... I Gave It A 1... Tepid... Today... Exactly WHAT Do YOU Want ???

[neverforget]

135. Unquestioning loyalty would be my guess

[Andy823]

137. I didn't say that, did I?

I said, and it goes for anyone, not just Willy, if you really can't support the democratic party, they why are you here? There are plenty of sites that feel the same way, so why stay if you can not support the party?

[neverforget]

139. And some here just can't handle the fact that not everyone agrees with President Obama and his

push for TPA and TPP. It's called disagreement. I've been here since 2001 and there has been disagreement about Democratic policies since the beginning. Do you support the Democratic Party 100% on everything? Can't we question them and hold them accountable?

[WillyT]

140. That's What They Want... They're Never Gonna Get It Though...

[totodeinhere]

85. I love the Democratic Party and MOST Democrats in Congress oppose TPP. A majority

of Senate Dems voted against it in today's vote. What I don't like is sell out Dems who are siding with the Republicans on this issue.

[okaawhatever]

96. +100 nt

[Scuba]

100. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Democratic born...

Democratic born

Democratic bred


When I die


I will be Democratic dead

[Aerows]

22. At least I KNOW

my state is run by shitbag Republicans and can vote against them. I can't imagine how badly I'd feel if someone I voted for signed on to that crap.

[lovemydog]

23. 10

I'm not a single-issue voter.

[sheshe2]

39. I am so with you, lovingmydog.

This place has gone to hell in a hand basket.

Ya need to bash a Dem to go to the top of the page here. Post a positive you sink.

Actually Willie said that to me. Post positive sink. Negative? Top of the page.

I so love you~

[Andy823]

45. I know, I saw that post

It makes no sense to be on a board whey you claim you don't support the party. Some here said 0 to his question, he said 1, others put down negative numbers. Just what the hell are they trying to prove? It sure isn't supporting the party, that plain to see.

[leftofcool]

53. They are not Democrats. Neither is Bernie Sanders.

[WillyT]

74. Whoop... There It Is...

[WorseBeforeBetter]

82. Their opinion means nothing.

Ignore 'em. Or not.

[WillyT]

75. I'm Not Gonna Alert...

[totodeinhere]

86. But supporting the majority in the party and opposing TPP are one in the same.

Most Democrats in Congress oppose TPP. Only a few sellout Dems in the Senate voted for it today.

[lovemydog]

54. We have a lot of posters here who are to the left of the mainstream

of the party. Always have, always will. I don't mind that. I learn a lot from them. I agree with them on most issues. Some of the negativity here, it's like 'I didn't get what I want so the democratic party sucks.' I don't agree with that. Democrats achieve a lot of victories. We'll continue having victories.

It doesn't bother me too much. When it does I step away from the keyboard. I can understand why they aren't happy about it. Whether they say 1 or 3 or -4 or whatever, regarding what happened today. I personally would like to see a stronger coalition of left-leaning democrats. If that develops it will develop outside of computers & message boards. I can't see how it would develop by people turning their backs on the democratic party. Turning their backs on candidates or incumbents that they don't like, I can see that as a viable option.

I do wish people would vote in congressional elections and in every state and local election. And vote for liberal candidates. We won't win every battle. This particular one, many here feel that's it's a major loss. So I can understand they are pissed off. Whether they will translate any of it into a meaningful coalition in Congress or outside of it remains to be seen. I do feel our country would benefit by moving further left. Particularly in raising taxes on the rich, spending less on the military, and in investing in our education and infrastructure here at home.

[Andy823]

72. I pretty much agree with you

I have no problem with people being angry, or with them speaking out, but some here take that to an extreme, and do so on a daily basis, day in and day out, it it really gets old listening to how much the dislike, or hate what the party is doing, how terrible all the democrats who disagree with them are, and then come on the boards and stir up shit to get their message out about how they are pissed off at the party, or the candidates they don't support. Doom and gloom is not the way to unite the party and get things done. The main goal should be to make damn sure we don't get more republicans elected, from the WH on down, but especially the WH in 2016. I don't see all the negativity from some on this board as helping to reach that goal.

[lovemydog]

83. Oh I know Andy823.

'Let's all slit our wrists!' is hardly a good campaign slogan.

[Andy823]

130. I couldn't agree more.

I think many of us here on DU want the same things, we just have a different idea of who is going to work for us in trying to get the things we want. Right now I don't know who I will vote for in the primary. I like what I hear from O'Malley and hope to hear more on the issues from him after he announces he will be running. I like Bernie but honestly don't think he can win. Not a fan of Hillary, but no matter who wins the nomination I "WILL" be supporting them. The 2016 election is going to be a very important one for this country, and there is now way this country can afford another republican in the WH! The bottom line is that any of our candidates will be a million times better than ANY republican.

[lovemydog]

141. In that regard, I think we work best when we start individually.

Locally. Talking with people. Sharing our interest in politics. I agree that most of us here want the same things and want a better society overall. I'd be very happy voting for any of those choices you mention. I'm not really here to persuade anyone else too much. I'm more interested in sharing what I have in common with others of similar interests, and seeing where we might differ too. I remind myself sometimes that most everyone who posts here, I really think I'd like them offline in real life. The same does not go for republicans - I don't like them and try and stay away from them as much as possible. Hope you enjoy a good weekend.

[KMOD]

93. .

[Adrahil]

102. +11. Mine goes to 11. n/t

[think]

26. Any day my Democratic president can work with the GOP to ram corporate law down the throat

Of America is just peachy......

[WillyT]

28. Dry... Very Dry... Yet Perfect... Like A Good Martini !!!

[Warpy]

27. 1 supporting the party as it exists now.

However, I support voting against the utterly insane, spiteful and vicious Republicans >10.

[seveneyes]

29. Minus one point four one four

[JaneyVee]

31. If the idea of another Republican president/majority doesn't terrify you...

Then you're not paying attention.

[Art_from_Ark]

34. We already have a "moderate '80s Republican" as President

who is being wholeheartedly supported by Republicans to ram yet another "free trade" agreement down our throats.

[WillyT]

43. Yeah... And That's How Terrorism Works...

If you are so frightened as to not stand up for your own principles...

You get what you deserve.

Ask Patrick Henry. Ask Benjamin Franklin.

[Andy823]

46. So stand up for your principles

But this is the second time in as many days you have posted trying to get your buddies to say how much, or should I say who little, you and they support the democratic party. Fine, you hate the TPP, and your pissed at 13 senators, so that means all of you put down 1, 0. or negative numbers when you ask how much they support the democratic party? Pure BS.

[WillyT]

51. No... It's Early... And This Too Shall Pass, But If You Have Any Sense... You Might Wanna..

Embrace those that you might need on your side later.

I... have never said I would not vote for HRC, But... That's just me.

Yet that's what I get accused of on a regular basis...

Here's a clue.

I might be pissed as hell on 5/21/15... but that might change by 5/21/16...

You HAVE to allow people to be pissed and vent and blow off steam.

Otherwise... you WILL lose natural Dem voters.

My fear is that we are already doing that.

[sheshe2]

62. Hello!

You just told Andy he did not belong on the board.

He is so boring.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026708805#post17

Embrace those that you might need on your side later.

[WillyT]

64. Boring Is Not A Disqualification For This Board...

That's why you and I are still here.





And by that I mean... NOT boring.

[Andy823]

81. Constant negativity is not the answer to anything.

You can be pissed all you want, but when you try and get people all worked up by posting something like this thread, you only make things worse. If your pissed off then use your votes to show how pissed you are, but why come on, and this is not the first time you have done this, and get people to say they don't support the party. I don't have to embrace this kind of posting, and I don't care if they will be on "my" side later. I have no side right now, but one thing for sure I am NOT going to bash Hillary, even though I won't be voting for her in the primary, and I won't bash Bernie because I agree with him on many things. I will speak out when I think what is being posted is wrong, and I really don't care if you think having people like me on this board is a bad thing. I support democrats being elected, period. I support my president, period. And even if I disagree with the way some senators vote, I am not going to take it out on the party by telling people how little I support that party. That's just the way I am.

[JEB]

84. When the party pisses on me, I'm gonna piss back.

That's just the way I am.

[Andy823]

129. So if I understand correctly

The "whole" party pissed on you because 13 senators did not vote the way you wanted them to? Or perhaps you have already lost your job because of the TPP?

Now if it's because you have already lost your job, I agree that you should be pissed. However it's simply because of the 13 senators, I have a hard time trying to figure out how the "Democratic party as a whole" pissed on you?

[JEB]

132. I guess its fine with you that

Democrats cave to the wishes and agenda of the Republicans.

[Andy823]

136. Such as?nt

[greenfish]

147. Some on one issue

The alternative is republicans who are horrible on every issue. I'm sticking with democrats, though I'd hope to see conservative docrats primaried.

[greenfish]

145. Agree

[totodeinhere]

88. Of course it terrifies most of us here. But the question is, how do we make sure that doesn't

happen? And IMO standing up for the average American worker and opposing TPP is the best way to make sure that no Republican gets near the Oval Office. But on the other hand if we work with the GOP to screw the American worker as a few Democrats in the Senate and the president are doing, then we risk losing the next election.

[greenfish]

142. Biggest risk is an enthusiasm gap

It's up to us to beat the republicans. Democrats have never been perfect progressives, but republicans are so much worse.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. How can this vote surprise anyone? Among the Democratic Senators who voted to advance TPA to

a vote today are Carper, Feinstein, Wyden, Murray,Cantwell and Nelson, all of whom also voted for CAFTA, only 8 Democrats voted for CAFTA. Patty Murray and Diane Feinstein also voted for NAFTA in the Senate, while Wyden and Cantwell voted for NAFTA in the House.
Bernie in Congress for all three votes and voted no all three times. Hillary in the Senate for CAFTA vote, voted No.

Anyone who has paid attention to trade politics at all would not have turned their backs on that crowd in the first place to allow for any stabbing.

[leftofcool]

41. 11 for me!

[Go Vols]

49. .-.. . ... ... - .... .- -. --- -. .

. -. -.. --- ..-. -- . ... ... .- --. .

[Pisces]

52. 10+

[Elwood P Dowd]

55. So you fell for another fake free trade scam from the oligarchy?

Another shiny new toy with the name "partnership" on it because Americans have been shafted so badly by past fake free trade deals, the oligarchs had to take the word "trade" out of it. Would you have supported it if Bush or Reagan had proposed the exact same piece of shit with the same almost 100% support of the republican congress?

[Pisces]

77. I'm excited to vote another Democrat into office and get more of our agenda thru! i want

l'm excited to have more liberal leaning judges on the Supreme Court! i am not a single issue voter.

[totodeinhere]

89. If you think that those who support screwing the American worker by supporting TPP

won't screw us in other areas you have another think coming.

[Pisces]

105. You're right I should be thinking about voting for a Repuke who I know is definitely out to screw me

Good luck with your outrage of the day. American factory jobs are never coming back, Those $30 an hour jobs with pensions are
a dream of the past. No amount of tapping our red shoes together will take us back to Kansas.

I'm sorry if that is too bleak a view for you, but that is realistic. Cheap labor is everywhere and in this global economy
it will be utilized, if not by us that other foreign countries. Is this a jaded view, maybe, but I think it's more realistic. Made
by Americans, for Americans will only get you so far. I'd rather be outraged by teacher pay, Better way of equaling spreading out funding for schools, training programs for the jobs that will be available in the US. Housing for the homeless, universal health care,
women's rights!!

There are a whole host of things I want to focus on, none of which are Republican platforms. So yes, I am excited to for a
Dem that is more willing to look at these causes.

[totodeinhere]

111. Did anybody say you should vote for a Republican? I know I didn't.

I'm tired of seeing apologists trotting out the old "vote for a Republican then" card. We as Democrats can do better and that's what I am focusing on. And yes some of those jobs probably won't come back but does that mean we should make things even worse by adopting this trade deal?

[Pisces]

126. I'm sorry if you are tired of reality. Reality is that Bernie Sanders will never be President. As

much as I love Bernie he can not appeal to enough voters. That is reality. The question of whether I am excited to
vote for a Dem. is the one on the table and the answer is yes for the reasons I gave. Now if that person once supported TPP
or currently does, I am still going to vote Dem come 2016 because of all the other reasons.

I live in the now, and now I need equal pay, gay rights , better healthcare plans, liberal judges to uphold Roe v Wade, etc.
I have a long list of needs that will not be outweighed by 1 issue. I am not your target audience. Maybe a younger person
will buy your argument.

[JEB]

56. Less than zero. If the Democratic Party won't

represent the interests of workers, who will?

[Quackers]

57. Right about a 7 1/2

[JEB]

61. Today Pukes are 10.

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Thanks to 13 sell outs.

[PowerToThePeople]

76. Third way needs to go. The tent is too big when Republican ideas take over the party. n/t

[WillyT]

79. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

Ironically... We're the uninvited ones.

[Scuba]

101. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[Marr]

124. +1

[Skittles]

80. it there was a real Democratic party I would be very enthusiastic

what we have now fucking STINKS

[BillZBubb]

87. Has it gotten to the point where

the only reason to support Democrats is just to keep the republicans from screwing us worse?

Make no mistake this trade deal benefits the 1% and the multinationals at the expense of American workers--just like all the others before it. That's why the republicans love it. And a Democratic president is championing it against the better judgment of most of his party.

Democratic leaders continue to kick labor and the left in the nuts. They believe those groups have nowhere else to go. That may be true in the short term, but things change eventually.

[WillyT]

90. Yes... With The Help Of A Number Of Democrats...

[greenfish]

123. Look at all of the issues

Meanwhile republican leaders incinerate labor, are anti gay bigots, are anti choice, are rabidly pro gun, are for war after war, are for cutting critical infrastructure, etc.
There isn't a democrat who's close to as horrible as Ted Cruz or Scott Walker, except Zell Miller.
I'm bummed about the vote too, but we have got to look at the big picture.

[MaggieD]

91. 10. Always.

[whatchamacallit]

95. 10 because I'm a Corporation lovin, NSA lovin, TPP lovin, War lovin democrat!

The party sucks now because the people in it suck.

[RandiFan1290]

103. It's not fake! It's not staged!

[99Forever]

104. I can't really put it into words.

But I will simply say, I don't take being stabbed in the back lightly, nor do I ever forget those that do it and those that enabled it.

[Orsino]

106. Being thrilled is a luxury we don't have.

But if pretending puts us to work on GOTV, it's useful.

[dawg]

107. About a 4.

I'm a reliable voter who can be counted on to vote for the lesser of two evils. But I'm not going to be enthusiastic about it.

[JTFrog]

108. YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! n/t

[carolinayellowdog]

138. What do you mean by that?

I keep seeing that same phrase repeated attacking the same people, BY the same people, but damdifino what they are saying. Please enlighten us-- or is this just for your "in crowd" friends?

[Godhumor]

109. 10 a year ago, 10 a month ago, 10 a week ago, 10 a day ago, 10 today

And I expect to be a 10 well into the future.

[reddread]

110. I am 11 on a 10 scale dead set

to reclaim the Republican's opposition party and toss the infiltraitor's out.
as if we have a choice.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

114. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson

[WillyT]

118. Yep... And Didn't He Have Something To Do With The Democratic Party ???

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

119. One of the founders of the Democratic Party, I believe.

But, he probably watched Fox News and had cardboard boxes in his garage.

[WillyT]

120. LOL !!!

[greenfish]

117. Always a +1000

I too wish we could elect progressives and have progressive policies.
That said, we can't just give up when something doesn't go our way.
It happened in 2010 and republicans took advantage of a huge enthusiasm gap to win federal and state races, which has had disasterourous consequences for those of us on the left. We can not afford for it to happen again or one day the republicans will make everything a thousand times worse than today's bad news.
If we all become +1000 or better we will outnumber the republicans and elect more democrats and more of the democrats will be progressives.

[TheKentuckian]

122. Democrats 11, Republicans with a D next to their name negative a billion or so.

As a whole? Like a 2.5, I'm very frustrated at the rotating villain thing we have going were there are just about always enough to side with the out Republicans to screw us and/or water down the what we do manage to get over the plate enough to make efforts Halfpublican.

[hobbit709]

125. At the national level my rating goes into negative numbers.

[Maedhros]

127. The Party? 0.

Politicians with great ideas? 10

[wyldwolf]

128. 10

[Logical]

131. Wow, I wish DU had a poll feature, oh wait, they do! nt

[bigwillq]

133. The party? 1.

I am not a huge fan of political parties. I vote for individual candidates rather than for a party.
I think the two-party system has contributed to most of the mess that's going on in this country today.