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George W. Bush didn't just lie about the Iraq War. What he did was much worse.
Paul Waldman
Sometimes this message was imparted with specific false claims, sometimes with dark insinuation, and sometimes with speculation about the horrors to come ("We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," said Bush and others when asked about the thinness of much of their evidence). Yet the conclusion was always the same: The only alternative to invading Iraq was waiting around to be killed.
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By playing incessantly to their fears, Bush also succeeded in turning Americans against each other--anyone who raised his or her voice to question the threat became part of the threat in the eyes of their fellow Americans. After all, if you're terrified of something, and you know by God the threat is real, someone next to you telling you not to worry, or worse, ignore the danger, becomes as bad as the enemy.
This is what Bush (and Cheney) knowingly did to the American people. He counted on their fear, not just Americans' fear of Hussein, but of each other. Iraq became a "life or death" decision. It didn't matter to him that their fear was generated completely by lies--all he needed was the fear. It was a classic exercise in propaganda and, terror inflicted on a vulnerable and scarred American public, the implicit threat always looming, hammered home day after day to get the war he and his cronies desperately wanted. And all of it deliberate:
MORE:
http://theweek.com/articles/555921/george-w-bush-didnt-just-lie-about-iraq-war-what-did-much-worse
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1386781
gelsdorf
(240 posts)tblue37
(65,340 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)But I saw something not long ago that showed that Bush was completely aware that all this was going on. He really wasn't just the dumb puppet.
I knew their whole argument was phony right from the git go. I just don't understand how people let themselves be so duped by these guys.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)but that he was also a willing puppet. Having all those "daddy issues", he wanted to be president so badly, he was willing to do whatever the rich and powerful wanted. I also think he wasn't always aware of how deep a hole he'd dug himself into or how evil his benefactors were.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)blm
(113,052 posts)Don't kid yourself.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)These aren't idiots we are talking about. Highly educated & connected people who understand how things work.
I never, for a second, believed any of them felt we were under threat of having our beaches stormed, our government overthrown and statues of Saddam to spring up in every city.
There were many "useful idiots" in run up to war, in the calls for innocent blood to be shed for money. If I truly believed they were ignorant and not outright evil I'd feel much better about our future.
katmondoo
(6,456 posts)I actively protested until almost the end. Health problems interfered. I was called all sorts of names and worse. There were lots of us but no one listened. The Bush shame will increase as more and more of the lies surface
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)They brought in the concepts of criminality is hip, violence is the way, addiction is life, worship the bad, destruction is good, irresponsibility for ones own actions is normal.
malaise
(268,967 posts)there will be another 9/11 if ground troops don't attack ISIS.
They are still using the same old bullshit and seem to forget that there were warnings about attacks before9/11 which Buscho chose to ignore.
erronis
(15,241 posts)Maybe he's spent too many days in Hiltons around the world. Hardening of the arteries and of the synapses.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)to go to.
What they did was really, really awful. Thousands and thousands of people died because of them. Thousands and thousands have been displaced.
Those hypocritical "Super Christian" bastards have caused the deaths of thousands and thousands of Christians. Almost all of the Christian population in the region have had to leave their lifelong homes (they have lived there for hundreds of years) and run for their lives.
MBS
(9,688 posts)stays embedded in a mindset of fear and denial and short-term thinking, we will not be able to solve our problems.
Good article; thanks.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)...and the tear gas.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Those fuckers had absolutely no respect for this nation.
lastlib
(23,224 posts)Apparently, so was the Geneva Convention and every other international agreement we ever signed.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)President Obama failed us big time when he let those criminals off the hook.
jalan48
(13,863 posts)Immediately after the war began folks dressed in camo appeared on our roadways and overpasses waving the American Flag and screaming "Support our Troops"! The millions of voices opposing the war were countered by this slight of hand.
JEB
(4,748 posts)was heavily armored with "support the troops" magnetic ribbons while the troops were dying in unarmored vehicles. More than enough evil in that bunch to go around. The whole lot deserve to spend the rest of their miserable lives behind bars.
jalan48
(13,863 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
Evil motherfucker.
JEB
(4,748 posts)he comes damn close to deserving the chemical cocktail injection.
Botany
(70,501 posts)According to the U.S. Department of Defense, between 2001 and 2014 some 230,000 soldiers and veterans were identified as suffering from so-called mild traumatic brain injury (TBI), mostly as a result of exposure to blast events. The variety of symptoms associated with the conditionheadache, seizures, motor disorders, sleep disorders, dizziness, visual disturbances, ringing in the ears, mood changes, and cognitive, memory, and speech difficultiesthe fact that they resemble symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and the fact that exposure to blast events often was not logged in the early years of the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq make it impossible to pin down casualty figures.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/healing-soldiers/blast-force.html
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)In the invasion, racing towards Baghdad, they came across Saddam's ammo dumps chuck full of high explosives. They were not secured, we put up "keep out" signs. After our forces got done helping the Iraqis tear down Saddam's statue and secure the oil ministry we went back to secure the ammo dumps. By that time, the were looted - empty and this was the source of the explosives used in the IEDs.
jomin41
(559 posts)"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
erronis
(15,241 posts)lastlib
(23,224 posts)Too damn well for our country's good. Cheney was probably a Goering U. honor student. Sick Evil F*cker.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)and I would wager that all of them have been through the VA at one time or several. They realized the VA was a dead end street. Like my friend in Vegas with multiple myeloma bone cancer. He fell through the VA cracks until the mass they found in his chest 4 months earlier became so painful he couldn't take it anymore. 4 months they ignored him. Finally 2 months of the wrong chemo and he was pissing black, they decided to change treatment. He said he knows they would rather he die. They have treated him like shit. Americas priorities are wrong. No more war.
Duval
(4,280 posts)conversation, but when will these traitors pay for their treachery?
maindawg
(1,151 posts)I a so happy that this is an issue.I knew they were lying from the start. I was hurt and I fried along with 250,000,000 of my fellow Americans. I now believe it was all part of the plan/plot to do all the terrible things they did.It was all for money. It was all to keep the price of crude high. The Saudis were the hyjackers, they are very close with the Bush crime family.
We must pound this drum loudly for the whole world to hear. It must drown out the continued lies that are all the GOP has left. POUND THAT FUCKING DRUM BICHES !
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)The war in Iraq was sold to the American public based on lies
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)In the wake of 9/11 GW Bush had enormous public support and political capital. He used this national tragedy in a systematic campaign of willful deceit to manipulate the anger, grief, patriotism, and FEAR of the American People in the commission of WAR CRIMES that have drained our treasury, killed upwards of a million human beings (including thousands of US troops), made our country less secure and the world a more dangerous place while enriching his corporate cronies.
The fact that this man and his chief cohorts are not in prison is a terrible miscarriage of justice and a bloody stain on our national honor. I will never forget nor forgive what was done in our names. When Bush left office I wrote the following poem for what I would say to his face if I could:
I'd tell you to go fuck yourself
But that is much too kind
Because if you could perform that feat
You'd take pleasure in your behind
I'd like to say eat shit and die
But you deserve much more
You should suffer all the grief and pain
Of your misbegotten war
Though I can never make you think
Our feel, or understand
I'll take solace when I hear your name
Cursed throughout the land
From inside a lonely prison cell
Dark and bare and cold
Where every day you pay for your crimes
Until you're sick, heartbroken, and old
Then when you finally leave the earth
You fucked over oh so well
If there is a God and afterlife
You're going straight to hell.
thanks for sharing
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)The poem says it all...
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)I was never afraid and always against the war(s). I asked many friends, family, and neighbors if they were afraid, and most of them, after thinking a minute, said no. The knee-jerk reaction was often fear though.
young_at_heart
(3,767 posts)Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz....do they even have consciences?
minidriver
(57 posts)I wish for these mother fuckers a long suffering life full of screaming nightmares from the spirits of the dead.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)They lack any empathy. And they are part of a cult within the elite who believe that making the most amount of money, in any way possible...even at the expense of the environment, young soldiers lives, the National debt, and even the American people...actually is the most American thing you can do.
I think they do sleep very well. In fact I bet Dubya has more than once let out a small quiet chuckle just before dropping off. Cheney?...he finds it difficult to even crack a smile (that isn't sardonically directed at his critics). I doubt he can even feel joy...or remorse.
procon
(15,805 posts)Remember the color coded terror alerts that always managed to up the threat level just at the same time the Bush Administration needed to push the latest war propaganda? It worked so well on my brother that he really thought some angry guy from Iraq was going to single him out personally, then pop out of his closet in the middle of the night and lop off his head. He's still paranoid and suspicious.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Solly Mack
(90,764 posts)That got away with it.
Pluvious
(4,310 posts)The Cheney/Bush Propelling the Propaganda Regime worked its pre invasion build up so effectively, using their relentless lies of hype 'n hysteria. It was quite aptly demonstrated to me one Sunday morning just months before the killing began.
Here is my story.
Myself and a small group of like-minded friends were enjoying the sunny Sunday morning in a window seat at a Southern California beach front cafe, discussing the astounding pace of events leading up to the imminent US invasion of Iraq. Our conversation mainly consisted of dissecting the obvious (to us) exaggerations and miss-directions coming out of the mouths of the Bush Admin's minions - including of course the President himself.
We marveled at how they seemed to have so completely snookered the US public, and we were just trying to reconcile with the surreality and wrongness of it all.
The unforgettable moment came when a table of people nearby all got up to leave.
One of their party, an older man built like a stocky biker, stepped over our table. Glaring down at me with his face a rictus of fury, hoarsely hollered at me: I WAS IN VIETNAM!!! He then wheeled about and left with his group, never looking back, while we just starred after him, in jaw-dropped amazement.
The whole cafe had gone silent in shock.
I think it was then that it fully hit me, that our "Uniter not Divider" of a President, had so thoroughly played right into the vermin terrorist's hands - and changed the course and character of our once great Country, onto a path we'd never recover from.
It's hard to not give up hope that we'll never climb out of this whole mess.
We are the dead.
-Pluvious
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"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things.
That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me
why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
-George W Bush
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I think this OP about covers it all...thanks for posting...
MJJP21
(329 posts)Most everyone is forgetting that Rush Limbaugh had a big part mobilizing not only the citizens behind the lies but he politicians as well. I used to listen to Rush everyday while I drove truck and distinctly remember Rush bragging that he was invited to Bush's home and admitted on radio what was in store. Limbaughs sidekick Hannity only echoed the same mantra. They need to be called out as well.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They justify their hate daily based on fiction and never look back so this is no different.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)now have a large flat screen that serves as an alter for many.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)GETPLANING
(846 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Susan Sarandon even made her own anti-invasion video.
Yet, many Democrats in Congress voted for the invasion--and for the Patriot Act, parts of which even a Republican Supreme Court declared unconstitutional.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Dante's Ninth Circle beckons.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)K & R
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Hill & Knowlton conspired with warmongers in Congress to invite a young woman to testify she was a nurse working in a Kuwaiti City hospital who saw the Iraqi soldiers take babies from their incubators and leave them on the cold, hard floor so they could steal the incubators for Baghdad. She forgot to mention she was making that up, as well as the fact she really was the 15-year old daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Washington.
"If I wanted to lie, or if we wanted to lie, if we wanted to exaggerate, I wouldn't use my daughter to do so. I could easily buy other people to do it." -- Kuwait Ambassador
http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html
Who isn't in awe of their propaganda? Hunh? Is that power or is that power?