Person accused of rape by mattress hauling Columbia student had a prior accusation (at least one)

[stevenleser]

http://jezebel.com/i-am-not-a-pretty-little-liar-1705996719

At this point, I should be used to seeing backlash against Emma Sulkowicz, but I still wasn’t fully prepared for what came this week: endless tittering of people around me in real life and in my social feeds saying they “weren’t sure” about Emma’s choice to carry her mattress to Columbia’s graduation; the insistence that Emma’s alleged assailant Paul Nungesser had been “proven innocent” by Columbia and exonerated by the NYPD; the posters someone put up around Columbia with Emma’s picture on them, calling her a “PRETTY LITTLE LIAR.”

Every time I read another version of this narrative—that Nungesser merely “picked the wrong friends,” that the complaints against him were a calculated vendetta—my stomach flopped. Don’t forget: before he appealed away the conviction, Paul Nungesser was found responsible for sexually assaulting a woman at Columbia. And I’m writing this because that woman was me.

When I filed the complaint against Paul, I didn’t know it would turn into a national event. It was over a year before Emma started carrying that weight, months before what happened at Columbia helped sparked a national dialogue about rape on college campus. I was just trying to do the right thing.

The incident happened my junior year at Columbia, when Paul followed me upstairs at a party, came into a room with me uninvited, closed the door behind us, and grabbed me. I politely said, “Hey, no, come on, let’s go back downstairs.” He didn’t listen. He held me close to him as I said no, and continued to pull me against him. I pushed him off and left the room quickly. I told a few friends and my boyfriend at the time how creepy and weird it was. I tried to find excuses for his behavior. I did a decent job of pushing it out of my mind.
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more at above link

[TheSarcastinator]

1. If Jezebel says he is guilty it must be true!

I mean, who needs cops and courts: if a few angry bloggers with a decently large media footprint think he's 100% guilty and should be hung by the neck until dead, who are we to insist on the rule of law and due process? And look at the event described in this "news report" -- it is so horrific and shocking that he MUST be guilty.

[LanternWaste]

2. As wrong decisions, indictments and arrests are never made by law enforcement or the courts...

who needs cops and courts..."

As wrong decisions, indictments and arrests are never made by law enforcement or the courts, I can understand the absolute faith one may in the system over that of an individual.

(six of one, half a dozen of the other-- and both as peevishly irrelevant as the other)

[stevenleser]

3. Your response is to attack Jezebel? The author is the person saying she was assaulted

Jezebel doesn't figure into it.

[Rex]

19. I guess I should expect that from a username such as yours.

Channeling your inner Huckabee?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

4. Too bad for mattress girl that her victim kept the text messages.

I hope Paul bankrupts her and the school for this fiasco.

[stevenleser]

5. And you think the texts are exculpatory? Please share. nt

[mythology]

12. I would think that if she continued to have an ongoing

Friendship, you would have to understand that would be something people are going to look at. Instead she charges that people who question her about Facebook messages she agrees she wrote must be anti-feminist.

I get that not every sexual assault victim responds the same way. But to say that anybody who questions her is somehow anti-feminist. I think that's especially true when she does an art project on the subject of her rape and to a degree putting herself out as the the face of campus rape.

If she can't be questioned, why should I believe her over the guy?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

14. It is a bit redundant to the trials that have already taken place and will soon.

But if you insist I can go over a few of the more damning texts:

1. She claimed to have never shown an interest in anal sex and yet sent him a message telling him "Fuck me in the butt".

2. She claimed to have been traumatized by the incident but Paul argued that their relationship was completely unchanged at the time. As evidence of that he's got several records of them continuing to hang out together and corresponding without any sign antagonism. For instance, two days afterward he supposedly raped her he invited her to a party and asked her to bring "cool freshmen". She responded

"lol yusss. Also I feel like we need to have some real time where we can talk about life and thingz because we still haven’t really had a paul-emma chill sesh since summmmerrrr".

A few weeks later she initiated contact with him this time, ending the message with

"whatever I want to see yoyououoyou respond—I’ll get the message on ma phone"

She claimed she would provide context for these messages but never did. Is that the way you talk to a man who brutally sodomized you against your will and left without a word? She was still telling him she loved him 2 months later. When I was raped I didn't want to keep hanging out with the dude afterward, and my story isn't nearly as traumatizing as the one she described.

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. Here's Nungesser's complaint against columbia

The thing about "innocent until proven guilty" is that "innocent" doesn't need to be in scare quotes.

Even under the preponderance of evidence standard used the university concluded that it was more likely that Sulkowicz was lying.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/262956362/Nungesser-Filed-Complaint

As best as I can figure, the writer of the Jezebel article is "jane doe#1"

[stevenleser]

9. Interesting. Well, I am glad either way that it will see the insides of a courtroom.

Allegations of texts and Facebook messages can be authenticated or disproven by forensic IT specialists.

[Eleanors38]

7. I want rapes prosecuted, not Narratives™ maintained.

[riderinthestorm]

8. This is an anonymous account from a woman who provides zero evidence

Unlike Cosby where there are a slew of women on record with their accusations, here there's only an anonymous account.

I'm not exonerating Nungessor of anything but anonymous accounts don't prove much.

[closeupready]

10. I like you, Steve, but not buying this. For a number of reasons.

One of which is that in the case with, for example, the Univ. of VA, we had how many thousands of feminists pile on, supporting the lies on, apparently, the basis of nothing.

So I'm not prepared, personally, to buy into contemporary rape narratives that have not only no basis in fact, but narratives which have been scrutinized by authorities and dismissed as baseless.

[stevenleser]

11. Well, let's see what happens. Apparently this will see the inside of a courtroom.

Columbia mishandled this either way IMHO.

[B2G]

16. It will?

I thought all charges had been dropped and she'd withdrawn the complaint.

[Vattel]

17. It will because he is suing the columbia university.

[B2G]

18. Bet they settle

and it will never go to court.

[Vattel]

21. Yeah, I guess you are probably right. The University won't want the bad publicity

of this going to court.

[trumad]

13. Jesus what a flytrap.

[Vattel]

15. You should self-delete this thread.

The evidence doesn't support the claim that this young man is guilty of anything. Your posting this makes you party to what in all probability is a horrific campaign of defamation.

[Dont call me Shirley]

20. Thank you, stevenleser, for posting this.

[Monk06]

22. From the Jes article, "Don’t forget: before he appealed away the conviction"

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That is from anonymous AKA Jane Doe #1, the bartender.

Nungesser did not "appeal his way out of the conviction." He appealed and she refused to return to Columbia and appear before the panel.

Nungesser has a right to appeal. She has a responsibility to defend her allegations against him.

She was approached by Sulkowicz a month before her, (Jane Doe#1s) graduation and encouraged to file a claim of inappropriate sexual conduct. She claimed the incident took place a year before April 2013, a claim she could not prove but by the low standard of proof of the panel he was deemed 'responsible'

Nungesser appealed and she refused to testify at the appeal. Her excuse was that she was too busy. She lives in New York. It's a cab ride downtown.

Nungesser contests that claim in his lawsuit against Columbia, Bolinger and Kessler, her art teacher who encouraged her to start this campaign. At this point nothing more can be said until Nungesser's lawsuit runs it's course. That's unless Columbia pays a fortune to make the case go away.

I am predicting they will do just that.