Can I just say without being called a troll or people saying I'm coming to Duggar's defense...

[diabeticman]

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Aren't Juvenile records suppose to be sealed?


I mean if it wasn't the fact he went after his sister --incest---my brother and his girlfriend fondled one another at that age.


One also has to wondered who abused him...Generally isn't this learned behavior?




I am sorry I didn't have all the information. My knowledge was what I heard/read yesterday. he was 14 and the girls around his age. I had no clue of the 4/5 year old victim OR the repeat abuse of that victim. I admit I am dumb.

[aikoaiko]

1. yous trollin

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[Tom Ripley]

5. Yep!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. I don't know enough about it to be sure, but in another thread someone pointed out that

at the time he was 12 or so, and at least one of the girls was around 5.

If that's true, that's a darn site different than your brother and his girlfriend 'fondling one another'.

[diabeticman]

3. 5 years old?! Now that is sick BUT the report I saw was that the girls and Josh were around his age

That is a whole different matter. 5 years old....

[riderinthestorm]

8. The girls were 12, 11, 10, 8 and 5 years old. This wasn't just some "doctor game"

he was actively sexually assaulting them.

As for how this came out, I've heard (but don't have a source for this), that a book was loaned out to someone outside the family that had incriminating notes in it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. He was 14. The youngest victim was 4.

[diabeticman]

12. See today is the first I'm hearing about a 4 or 5 year old victim.

[arcane1]

6. Now that you mention it, I'm not sure how this story got out in the first place n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. This is purely a guess on my part.

19 kids is a lot of kids. Not all of them are going to want to tow that "morally superior" line. A letter was left in a book at the church about it and was found by another churchgoer. Those accusations were later forwarded to Harpo Productions who in turn, contacted authorities...

An investigation began and was ended because the statute of limitations had expired.

My (purely) imagination has me thinking it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think about a very young girl being extremely angry over what happened to her and the fact that no steps were taken to punish the offender.

Again, that's just my thoughts/guess.

[haikugal]

18. Apparently there was a FOIA request made. The evidence found in the book

(Where the letter was found) was faxed to Oprah before a scheduled appearance by the Duggars and they sent it to the authorities and there was an investigation. It seems this took place in 2007 so the TLC knew about this for years and kept this disgusting, abusive family of Christian cult members on the air.

From what I've read (take it for what it's worth..) the file wasn't identified as "sealed" so the information was released to the paper that made the request.

The valued police officer who gave Josh a " stern talking to" was later convicted for child porn and is serving a long sentence in prison. I wonder if that guy abused Josh? Who knows but this is typical of religious fanatics who's world view is so f'd up.

[Thinkingabout]

7. There is a difference in a boy and girlfriend fondling at fourteen and a fourteen fondling younger

sisters. He should be a protector rather than an abuser.

[diabeticman]

9. I agree on that. But some of the reports I saw yesterday said it was girls around his age not a 4

or 5 year old.

[Thinkingabout]

17. The next daughter was 2 years younger making her 12, it was wrong. I do not ever buy the argument

"well she wanted it", and I was abused so therefore I abused. The statue of limitations may have run out legally, I am not sure the incidents is forgotten by the victims.

[NYC_SKP]

11. I guess I'll be the first here to answer your actual question, diabeticman:

My understanding is that juvenile records are meant to be sealed, and I would expect this to be true, especially, when there is no conviction.

One caveat is that laws will vary from state to state, so one can't be sure without a little research.

Children are arrested and jailed regularly for all sorts of things, their names are not published but they are recorded, naturally.

How this case fits into all this, I'm not sure.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. In 2002, he was 14. In 2006, he was 18.

I am guessing that is why the record wasn't sealed. I will also note here that a victim went before the court yesterday as a "Jane Doe" (because she's still a minor) to ask that the records be destroyed.

[NYC_SKP]

15. I was kind of shocked to learn that the statute of limitations had run out on some of this.

I don't follow them, overpopulation makes me ill.

None of this surprises me and how fucked up that they're celebrated on TV.

Damn.

[ScreamingMeemie]

16. I don't follow them either, but I was able to gather this from the police report.

We are a sick society.

[diabeticman]

23. my wife friend just e-mailed her saying she figured out which sister it was.

[diabeticman]

14. Thanksand I am sorry I didn't know all facts. Going after a 4 or 5 year old... just sick.

[MineralMan]

19. The kid was a sick little shit.

Multiple incidents are a pattern. It's an ugly pattern, too. I wouldn't trust him as an adult, either, around young girls. Not for 30 seconds alone.

When a pattern of abuse is clear, there were no doubt other incidents. Does the pattern continue? I have no idea, but there is no defense possible. 14 year olds know they're not supposed to sexually molest their sisters.

[In_The_Wind]

20. Incest is no excuse for sexual abuse of a child.

[libdem4life]

21. I'm going to take a wild guess here...I'd bet that letter was put there on purpose by one of the

victims, because she surely could not go to the police or even DHS. No one would have believed any of them. Talk about leading double and triple lives...home in denial, church in denial, family income and in Public...All is Just Fine.

I wonder what will happen to The Family internally now it's all in the open? In a way, that's the sister's worst nightmare. He'll carry on like any patriarch. Maybe getting a job with a family values Resume a bit tough, but there are always some...

[polly7]

22. I read somewhere the letter was written by a parent or friend of the molested child who

wasn't a Duggar, but that may or may not be correct.

[libdem4life]

24. Actually, that would make more sense. Again, a victim of family incest is almost never

believed without someone outside the family to corroborate it...usually a psychologist/psychiatrist, social worker or someone in an official capacity.

DHS and the Police triy to stay out of family abuse as much as possible. The psychological community are usually loathe to report it, even if they believe the victim, as it requires getting on the stand, can take lots of time, time is their income and the likelihood of conviction ranks on the scale lower than a police officer's conviction for killing a black male. (Edit...without a video or camera footage). Society does not want to hear about and because there is nothing to do...it's almost always multi-generational. As someone said up thread, it's learned behavior...both the molesting and the denial.

It was a very smart thing to do, whoever did it.