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Fri May 22, 2015, 05:53 PM

TPP is in trouble, thanks to public interest

The public debate over the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership has been a lot more robust and educational than the one that preceded the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement more than two decades ago. During that fight, then-Washington Post editorial page editor Meg Greenfield didn’t see a problem with a six-to-one ratio of space for pro- vs. anti-NAFTA editorials. “On this rare occasion when columnists of the left, right, and middle are all in agreement ... I don't believe it is right to create an artificial balance where none exists.”

Today there are more economists in the news debunking the arguments put forth to promote the TPP, and this has contributed to the collapse of some of these talking points.

This week, economists Dean Baker and Paul Krugman warn that people should be suspicious of any agreement that leads its proponents to lie and distort so much in order to sell it. They called attention to President Barack Obama’s former Chief of Staff William M. Daley, who made the ridiculous claim in a New York Times op-ed that it is “because our products face very high barriers to entry overseas in the form of tariffs, quotas and outright discrimination” that the U.S. ranks 39th of the 40 largest economies in exports as a share of GDP. As Baker and Krugman pointed out, it is actually because the U.S. is a very large economy, and therefore the domestic market is sufficient for many U.S. companies.

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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/5/tpp-runs-into-trouble-thanks-to-public-interest.html

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Reply TPP is in trouble, thanks to public interest (Original post)
Dem2 May 2015 OP
Dawson Leery May 2015 #1
SheHMZ May 2015 #2
nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #4
Phlem May 2015 #21
Bluenorthwest May 2015 #8
SheHMZ May 2015 #13
Plucketeer May 2015 #18
dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #3
nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #5
dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #6
Jack Rabbit May 2015 #12
840high May 2015 #14
sabrina 1 May 2015 #15
GoneFishin May 2015 #23
99Forever May 2015 #24
bvar22 May 2015 #7
nradisic May 2015 #9
99th_Monkey May 2015 #10
Omaha Steve May 2015 #11
groundloop May 2015 #16
DirtyHippyBastard May 2015 #20
dreamnightwind May 2015 #27
AzDar May 2015 #17
WillyT May 2015 #19
99Forever May 2015 #25
ucrdem May 2015 #22
djean111 May 2015 #26
dreamnightwind May 2015 #28

Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 05:55 PM

1. kick

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:00 PM

2. Hope that is true but

I just got off the phone with Sen. Feinstein's S.F. office: they told me she was voting for the TPP after Obama twisted her arm (probably didn't have to twist too hard) on Fastrack. We need to FLOOD her office with angry calls! Whoever is in a state where their Dem Reps seem indecisive (or in CA's case, weasal-ly), SCARE 'em to do the right thing & vote NO on that damned TPP!

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Response to SheHMZ (Reply #2)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:33 PM

4. Well we had a bunch of local activists

 

physically occupy a Congressman's office and phone bank to get people to call

Oh, you did not see this on CNN? Good explanation, the only two media that showed up were me (we run an independent media) and Univision

Plus it is San Diego, not like any news from my town matters.

http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/05/21/scott-peters-office-occupied-by-activists-over-tpp/

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #4)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:46 PM

21. +1

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Response to SheHMZ (Reply #2)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:54 PM

8. Twisted her arm? Diane was a yes to NAFTA, one of just 8 Democratic Senators to vote yes on CAFTA

 

Every one of those 8 who are still in Congress voted for TPA advancement this week. That's Carper, Feinstein, Wyden, Murray, Cantwell and Nelson.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #8)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:47 PM

13. She sure backflipped all right

Ron Wyden too? That disappoints me more than Feinstein, who I know is a Republican in Dem's clothing. I lived up in OR for 10 years before "going back to Cali."

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #8)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:31 PM

18. I called her office earlier

 

and stated I wanted her to know I was against this secretive trade business and the perpetuation of the Patriot act. I also told the staffer that I felt she was not listening to her constituents and was basically thumbing her nose at them by voting however she took a notion to. The staffer's voice got a bit emotional as he defended her against my allegations. I asked that he convey our little discussion to her as well.
It's time these self-serving folks start to pay heed to the folks that put them in office with their votes - not the ones that pour on the monies and other rewards.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:28 PM

3. 2 decades ago we were not such an internet world.

Thankfully we are now, and can organize more easily.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #3)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:34 PM

5. Why do you think the internet needs to be controlled?

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:40 PM

6. Exactly.....

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:36 PM

12. That may be another reason to beat back the TPP

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:54 PM

14. You're a smart woman. Exactly.

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:00 PM

15. Which is very likely to happen if the TPP passes. Another good reason to make sure it doesn't.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:59 PM

23. Yep. They are gonna keep taking shots at the internet until they can gatekeep it better.

It must drive them forking crazy that any old piss ant can widely disseminate real facts after they have spent decades cornering all of the mass media, especially the right wingers who were very calculating about gobbling up the air waves so that they could spread their "fair and balanced" news.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:20 PM

24. Precisely.

It's making their thievery much harder to slip past us.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 06:47 PM

7. What trouble?


Fast Track has already passed the Senate,
and there are enough Republicans & Turncoat Dems to pass it The House.
President Obama will happily sign it.

"They" don't care what we think,
or that OUR jobs are disappearing or cutting pay & benefits.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:18 PM

9. It is a secret boondogle

Speak up, email, write and protest. It is NAFTA on steroids. No. No. NO!!!

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:23 PM

10. This makes me very happy. I hope & pray it is 110% true.

 

I just hope it's not wishful thinking on Aljazeera's part.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 07:28 PM

11. K&R!

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:16 PM

16. I agree with Pres. Obama on most issues, but not this

Glad to hear that people are getting on board with their opposition to the TPP.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #16)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:43 PM

20. As time goes by

I find myself agreeing less and less with this president.

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Response to DirtyHippyBastard (Reply #20)

Sat May 23, 2015, 02:34 PM

27. The dirty hippy bastard is right

Coouldn't resist, from one to another.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:17 PM

17. K & R

 

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:41 PM

19. But... But... But... That Might Make The President Look Bad...

 

Or some such shit.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #19)

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:22 PM

25. I'm not seeing a downside to that.

Seems an appropriate way for someone who betrayed the very people who put him where is, to look.


He earned it.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 08:55 PM

22. TARP, ACA, DACA, now TPP

When has the public, press, or even his own congressional delegation ever NOT been "concerned" about an Obama initiative? NOTHING he proposes is worthwhile, NOTHING he says is credible, no success is ever remembered, even the most remote possibility of objectionable legislation (CPI for example) is endlessly rehearsed, resented, and recalled anew.

Sorry Al Jazeera, no sale.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:54 PM

26. Looks like all I can really do is not ever vote for or support any "Dem" that votes yes.

 

So - that is my plan. People who feel they must say "Say hello to President Cruz" can form a line somewhere. This is on the Centrist corporate Dems, not me.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 02:39 PM

28. It might be in trouble in the world of public opinion, but

in the political world, it is doing just fine. They really don't much care what we want, they care what their largest donors want.

Call, write, demonstrate, let them know we are on to them and will work to vote them out if they won't support us. One of my senators is Feinstein, she has no business representing any of us, a total sellout, since forever.

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