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I couldn't copy any of the article, don't know why, but this is very interesting reading in the aftermath of the Josh Duggar revelations. Apparently people have been noticing something off about the family for years. I know that I always thought they were strange, to put it mildly.
http://www.tonpetitlook.com/en/2014/05/01/duggar-family-and-quiverfull-movement-why-they-are-anything-harmless
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)FSogol
(45,484 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)What hell they put that woman through. The only one in this whole Duggar story who did something right was Oprah. Fucking shame that Oprah had to be the one.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I have not been following the Dugger thing, no tv.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)One of her staff got an email telling about how he had molested several girls, then Oprah canceled and would not let them on her show and she turned them in. She really does seem to be the only one who did the right thing in this situation.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I am still puzzling over why a couple who is over populating the planet is worthy of such TV fame.
But then again, I have not figured out the Kardigans or what ever their name is....just real glad we are saving so much a month
without tv.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I don't think they deserve to be famous for overpopulating the planet. Nor do I think the Kardashians (I don't even know if I spelled their name right) should be famous for....well, I guess they are famous just because or something, because I have no clue why they are famous.
I really hate the way TLC went from being a decent channel back in the early days to nothing but women giving birth to babies for years, with no warning for those of us who were trying to eat lunch, then culminating in nothing but crap like the Duggars, which is birth to the nth degree without so much as taking a breather in between babies, literally shooting them out every 9 months. Plus, the Duggars don't even raise their own kids. They get their female kids to do all the house work and baby changing, including all night long, and put the boys in charge of the whole thing, to tell the girls what to do. There is something wrong with that entire family.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The reasoning is they are teaching the girls how to raise kids, and teaching the boys how to run a family and their wives.
The Quiverfull thing is non-denominational...any religious family can align with the teaching.
Hekate
(90,683 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It's crazy to think back on those days and about how twisted it all is.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And my uncle is a preacher and is just like this family or whatever you call it. He 'gave' my cousin to her husband to marry. She is still screwed up and believes her husband 'owns' her. I'm working on her right now, probably why I'm so pissed, but she has 3 daughters and I don't want them 'given' to somebody or have them indoctrinated anymore than they are. Seventh day adventists but they think that the regular Adventists are sinners and stuff so they made their own church that follows biblical laws more closely. I hated spending the night at their house. Hated it.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)My uncle passed away the end of last year. That side of my family is still entrenched in it. I went to a church in the synod I was raised for visitation.
I walked into the church to attend the visitation and was on the fence about whether I would stay for the service. There was a receiving line that extended to the narthex. My eyes wandered onto the bulletin board full of announcements and chick tracts type materials. One jumped out at me. It was titled "Liberalism: Its Cause and Cure : The Poisoning of American Christianity and the Antidote".
Sigh.
Yeah, it was advertising a book written by a Lutheran pastor. It discusses the evil poisoning of "liberalism, evolution, the charismatic heresy and feminism" on American society. I didn't get a chance to discover what he thinks is "the cure".
I offered hugs and condolences to my family and did not stay for the service. I don't want to be part of that world any more. Not even for short stints. They think we are the enemy, poison that needs an antidote.
sigh.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But the kids are safe with my sister, thankfully. No more damage can be done.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Ugh.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as well, speaks to a sickness in the country. It comes down to money and how much influence you can buy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Well, except for 'fondling' and 'breeding'.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Solly Mack
(90,766 posts)If you can rape and abuse children under the guise of freedom of religion then a new definition is needed. If you can abuse women by brainwashing them into believing their only worth is how many children they can produce, then where is the choice? Choice demands knowledge and information to be actual choice. It requires the freedom to think outside the dictates of others. Choice isn't choice when you are conditioned from birth to believe a certain way. When you are isolated from birth and prevented from exploring other ways to think and live, what choice do you have really?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Solly Mack
(90,766 posts)Doesn't matter if they are conditioned to accept it. They are still victims.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)A bit more on the Quiverfull movement:
This movement encourages its adept to have as many children a God sees fit to give them, by giving up all forms of birth control, including natural family planning. The name Quiverfull comes from the Old Testament Bible verses in Psalm 127:35:
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man;
so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them
So basically, these people see their children as metaphorical arrows in the war against the non-righteous. Hence the need to pop out as many babies as possible.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Stryst
(714 posts)to force breed up an army of white evangelicals? You know, to fight off the race wares, or the Muslims, or the gay/atheist/Jew alliance or something like that?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)jesus fkn christ! good read! thanks for posting. I vaguely knew what they were about but never bothered to read anything much about them. They were big Santorum for president supporters according to this which is NO SURPRISE!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)months ago. I hope she escapes.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is the perfect opportunity for the girls and women to escape that clan. I hope they are already in hotels and gone away from Duggarville.
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samsingh
(17,598 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Or Isis enslaving women, the goal is the same, to make sure women are breeders so that the higher classes can have tons of soldiers and slaves to exploit. It is in inherent nasty facet of the God of Abraham, regardless of his guises.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)leftieNanner
(15,100 posts)Republican voters! They want to push this country into a theocracy.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)wacko cop??? The very young victims seem to have had no voice other than the complicit parents, this
story makes me ill. They also have a son who they did not provide treatment for, that is a recipe
for all kinds of issues. His wife constructed a message to say, hey, I knew his background
and I am good with it..he is a gentleman...God forgives. The exploitation is off the charts.
Too many loose ends, way too many.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Everything about this is wrong. I do not even know what to think. House of Horrors. Creepy and Stepford wifesish.
avebury
(10,952 posts)It is clear that the parents covered up their sons behavior instead of being concerned about the welfare of the girls (and non-family girls). It has to make you wonder what else has been going on that they have hid. The parents just don't strike me as being that concerned about the welfare of their children as much as looking to pop out the next kid.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)back then and who helped them process this mess. Evidently their church elders were involved,
possibly, or just the parents, I don't know. Looking at the parents priorities it does not appear
they acted in their best interests...I hope the victims will have advocates now, as late as it is.
avebury
(10,952 posts)I think that there is reasonable concerned about what else might be going on behind close doors in that household. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)It is the look of a lecher looking in the eyes of the child he has molested, in a public situation where he is unable to behave inappropriately at the moment but longing to do so.
I have seen that look too many times. I hate that look. It makes me nauseous.
This entire Duggar family has a psychosexual sickness.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They need to be investigated just like the fdls. People who worry about gay people having sex consentually are usually sexual creeps and deviants. I never even stress about it myself, that how I know.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Incest and rape. Father? Uncle? Training?
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts).............//snip
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2009/11/christian-dominionism-part-2-r-j-rushdoony-and-the-ties-that-bind-extremist-politics-to-christian-patriarchy/
..................//snip
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2009/11/christian-dominionism-part-3-bill-gothard-and-the-ties-that-bind-extremist-politics-to-christian-patriarchy/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2009/11/christian-dominionism-part-4-erik-prince-and-the-ties-that-bind-extremist-politics-to-christian-patriarchy/
Erik Prince? Remember him? He's the Blackwater / Xe guy:
Scaryyyyy!!!!!!!
Oh, while you're at it; read the Wikipedia pages on the Quiverfull and Dominionist movements.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)This is one very toxic deadly belief system
http://unsettledchristianity.com/murder-in-the-name-of-christ-21st-century-edition-prince-erik-prince/#more-10969
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Michelle, would pass the baby off to one of her older daughters to raise. She had some sort of mental breakdown after the first few kids and couldn't handle more, but her religion dictated that she keep popping them out. She's 48. Her second to last pregnancy resulted in a baby being born at 25 weeks. That one survived thanks to skilled doctors. Her most recent pregnancy ended in a miscarriage. She's delusional and still trying for more.
(Andrea Yates, the woman who drowned her kids, belonged to a similar fundie group.)
The two recently married Duggar daughters got pregnant right away -one within a month of the wedding. When the time came to deliver, she was at home with an unlicensed midwife and refused competent medical help until there were signs that the baby was in distress. She finally had an emergency c-section after 70 hours. The other currently pregnant newlywed is married to an unemployed teenager - well, not really, he just turned 20. They were treated to a honeymoon in Europe courtesy of TLC. When asked what countries she visited, she replied Paris and Rome. Her homeschooling was obviously deficient.
The girls are taught that their only value is as wives and mothers. They cover up, wearing longish skirts and layers of blouses lest some guy get a peek at a kneecap and go wild with desire. If they are walking along with their brothers and are about to pass a scantily clad woman, say one in a tank top, they say "Nike" which is a signal for the guys to look down at their shoes so as not to be "defrauded."
Girls "court" only guys approved by their father, and they aren't allowed to be alone with their significant other until marriage -meaning a chaperone is with them at all times. Once engaged they may hold hands, but no kissing until the I dos are said.
None of the girls have seen the inside of a college classroom, though one of the older boys is attending an unaccredited Christian school. College of any kind is out for the girls. A couple of the girls have taken a few midwife courses, but none is making a living at it. Their life's course is charted for them at birth. They get passed from father to husband and become breeders.
And for years this family has been rewarded with a tv show. I'll be glad to see it end. I hope the girls who were victmized get some therapy and that at some point they find the strength to break free. They live a hellish existence.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)the human potential being wasted. One of these women could find a cure for cancer, end racism, sexism, homophobia. Could become POTUS and do all these things. Religion is not good. Faith in something is good. But not at the expense of hating others who are not believers such as them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It has got to be a strange time for them right now.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I was devout and all that stuff at one time until I saw how racists used religion to be 'better' than black christians who are fooled into acting just like the racists by being bigoted against people who loved each other but were not up to the 'standards' of the church. This cult is despicable and evil. How christianity has been used as a control tool, of women today, slaves at one time, is amazing. I'm glad I found the truth and got out of a very racist church. It really is a long story, but yours is very interesting and helpful in understanding this Quiverfull movement and this family of note, the duggers. thanks.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm glad this came out so that people stop being fooled or pulled into that lifestyle.
longship
(40,416 posts)I couldn't copy/paste either. But I am using an iPad, which has problems with those things.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate using my pc, so i try to make do.
catrose
(5,066 posts)Back to a time of lying awake long into the night with this nagging fear that it wasn't safe to close the eyes.
Back to when boys at school, friends' brothers, and others just reached out and touched whenever and whatever they wanted. And girls were trained to be ashamed of it.
Back to getting fired after rape when not able to concentrate on the job.
I so much admire the women today who stand up and call attention to rape, abuse, catcalls, and all the other assaults. I wish I could talk about it. At least I think I do.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm so glad this came out. I wonder if those ladies will ever be able to heal.
catrose
(5,066 posts)I'd expect it will take a long, long time. Half century?
I read a study once that said child abuse victims heal more quickly if they see justice done, like themselves being believed and protected, perpetrators being dealt with. But I don't know where they even found enough instances like that to perform a study.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think the effects last an entire lifetime.
catrose
(5,066 posts)I know there's plenty of cases where they weren't, if they even bothered to say anything. And the boys grew up, admired and successful, and had families of their own, where the story continued.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yeah, that's a toughie.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)I know your pain.
catrose
(5,066 posts)No matter how comforting it is to me to be understood. Thanks much.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)are who they turned to for "counseling" when they learned that their oldest kid was a rapist. This cover-up involves much more than just the Duggar family or even TLC.
I'm sure hoping those "quivering" fundamentalists are soon exposed for the dangers they represent to civil society.
Every minority in this country should be aware that these religious fanatics are pushing for a theocracy...oppression of anyone who does not conform to their twisted morals.
Thanks for sharing that link, bravenak. We certainly need to stay informed about such people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)These people really want to run the world. Make it like The Handmaids Tale worldwide. I'm not having it.
JI7
(89,249 posts)the story was about her younger sister taking something from her and her forgiving her. but look at those tears and emotion. that isn't the type of emotion one gets over such a common thing that happens between siblings. especially when both were very young.
knowing what we now know, i think it's clear the story she gave was a cover story for something much worse. she said something about there being people who may hurt us. but a younger sister who is about 5 that takes something from you isn't hurting you . it's a kid being a kid. now we know what she was really thinking of when she said this.
and it could also explain why she seemed to have little interest in finding someone and getting out of the home. she wanted to protect her siblings.
https://instagram.com/p/2JNnd0g4k4/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Somebody did take something from her. And they made it her responsibility to forgive. Sad.