Holy Shit. This Is How the Duggars' Homeschooling Curriculum Allegedly Dealt With Sexual Abuse.

[kpete]

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2015/05/holy-shit-how-duggars-homeschooling-curriculum-allegedly-dealt-sexual-abuse

[hrmjustin]

1. There are no words.

[shenmue]

3. "Jail"

Wish that was a word we could say. Sick bastard got away with it, though.

[hrmjustin]

4. Yes jail is the best word for this.

[Archae]

20. I think Josh Duggar will be shunned by that family.

Why? Simple.

He caused the wreck of their gravy train.

Oh, he had help.

But they will blame him, and throw him out of the family.

[hrmjustin]

22. Yes this is likely.

[StevieM]

25. Are you sure? See my reply right below yours. (eom)

[hrmjustin]

26. I see. The whole thing is a horrible mess.

[StevieM]

24. Not so fast. I see your point. But let's take a closer look.

Josh is a man. His victims were girls. Everyone knows that girls tempt men and boys to sin. So to some extent it is not his fault.

Also, Josh is only going through this because evil liberals, led by homosexuals, are trying to take him down. How can they not rally around a man who is being targeted by the family's enemies....society's enemies?

[CoffeeCat]

36. I don't think so...

I think his father, Jim-Bob molested him. That's my opinion. I think Josh was "acting out" abuse that was done to him. Somebody powerful sexually abused him and he re-created that power imbalance, by finding younger victims.

He was serially abusing these young girls. A blogger who read the police report said that one of these girls was very young.

Families like these protect their secrets. They will continue to defend him and rationalize until they are blue in the face. Anything to keep their sick secrets safe.

With 19 kids though, I imagine that many children were victimized by multiple people through the years. I truly think that Jim Bob is an offender, and his son's actions are a symptom of a much, much deeper problem in that family.

It's going to be difficult keeping 19 kids silent. As they grow up, and with the television show gone, they are more free to think for themselves and start to come out of denial. It's possible that a couple of them may.

This is a very sick, pathological family.

[Skittles]

74. I don't believe in jail for child sex offenders

I think they can be rehabilitated with the right kind of intensive therapy - but it is doubtful anything but religious bullshit happened for Josh

[shenmue]

77. Are you kidding?

No.

[Skittles]

78. no

http://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec2/ch5_treatment.html
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/04/24/12559/new-therapy-proves-effective-juvenile-sex-offenders

[StevieM]

19. It's shocking but not surprising, if that makes any sense. (eom)

[hrmjustin]

21. Yes i understand.

Just very sad.

[Faux pas]

2. Geez

[NYC_SKP]

5. Oh. Well, I was going to send it to my sexually abusive older cousins, but I can see now...

.

...that it won't be necessary.

It looks like I need to keep if for myself and embrace whatever the fuck it is.

Let me see.

1- OK
2- All of 'em
3- All the parts, all the parts
4- Good question, weird as fuck answers offered.
5- None here
6- I reject the premise, next...
7- Whatever
8- I'll take the "no abuse", thank you
9- Nothin' doin. I've had enough abuse.
10- No. No. And, No.

There, I'm all better now.

The cousins, one is dead of colon cancer and the other one younger, was a victim of his older brother I think and doing OK.

:/

[In_The_Wind]

6. That's absurd.

[Skittles]

7. can we call this shit what it is - a mental illness?

seriously, what does it take to believe this garbage without question?

[awoke_in_2003]

70. If you can believe a man

raised someone from the dead, walked on water, and turned water into wine, you can believe anything.

[Skittles]

72. what kills me

is the folk who believe that kind of stuff (virgin birth, anyone?) will laugh at the stuff (like, 72 virgins) followers of other religions believe

[awoke_in_2003]

75. I love it when my christian co-workers

mock the Mormons and Scientologists. I ask them "do you really want to go there with me in the room?" They usually don't.

[bravenak]

8. "If abused was not at fault"

Wtf does that even mean? I hate this shit.

[3catwoman3]

10. Indeed. what's with the...

"If...?

[bravenak]

13. The 'if' stresses me out.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

80. Look back at #4.

They actually believe that 'being dressed' in a certain way is 'defrauding' the abuser, and makes the abused 'responsible'. Ie, if you're a 'tease' by virtue of how you were dressed (or even simply not being with your parents 24/7/365) then you're to blame.

Patriarchy at work.

[bravenak]

81. I knew this from watching the show, but for some reason it did not click with me like it should.

They say 'nike' when the pass by women in tank tops so that the boys look down at their shoes...
Like women in tanktops are just trying to temp them to stray off th godly path.
No wonder the boy was looking at his sisters. It's all crazy. I bet there will be one Duggar that writes a tell all book. It will be crazy.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

82. I'm a ZPG (zero population growth) proponent,

so I look on folks in the quiverfull movement as being the next thing to insane, deliberately trying to destroy the ecology of the planet through overpopulating like cancer cells. I suspect the sustainable load for our planet is maybe more around 1-2 billion humans.

So it doesn't surprise me that they're crazy in other ways as well.

[bravenak]

83. I hate that quiverfull shit.

All those people. Nobody can give all those kids enough affection. They think they are creating an army. It's really sick.

[REP]

11. Women and girls tempt men and boys; it is their nature

I wish I were kidding or exaggerating but this particular mindset sees women and girls as morally lax.

[bravenak]

14. Make me wanna puke

[REP]

31. A lot of fundamentalist of all stripes hold this toxic view

Quite a bit of this attitude comes from the writings of Augustine of Hippo, who in Confessions gave the madonna (his mother, Monica - though she was still imperfect) and the whore (his concubine, with whom he lived for years, loved deeply and regretted leaving - but his carnal failings were hers). His writings contradict themselves in parts on women and sexuality, but his own struggle with his own sexual desires led him to believe it was Woman, with her weaker nature, who is to blame.

Augustine's writings probably didn't influence fundamental Judaism as much as it did Christianity and Islam.

[KingCharlemagne]

54. Interesting intellectual pedigree. Thanks - nt

[StevieM]

18. Yep, girls and women often lead righteous men down the path of temptation. They cause sin.

That is how humanity works.

The sooner liberals get that, the sooner we can do something about it.

The so-called victims are actually the aggressors. And poor Josh Duggar just didn't have the strength to resist their assault on him.

[Dont call me Shirley]

39. Precisely, that is the modern day belief about women being ardently promoted by religion

It is mental illness!

[CoffeeCat]

37. That is pedophile thinking...

My therapist treats sexual offenders and he has given me incredible insight into the mind of pedophiles. It's often upsetting. Pedophiles always blame the child. The child was too sexy. The child came onto the adult. They'll sexualize normal childhood behavior, in an attempt to suggest that the child came onto the adult.

What we're seeing here is pedophile thinking. It reinforces the very complex and pathological thought processes that serial pedophiles build up through the years--that keeps them offending and from having a psychotic break. If they faced what they did, they would mentally implode. These rationalizations and denial systems keep them functioning and appearing normal.

They are anything but.

I think we're getting a glimpse into the life and times of a highly religious and mentally ill family where sexual abuse is rampant. It is not coincidence that these "teachings" are pedophile-enabling dogma. It's also probably not coincidence that the cop-family-friend that Jim Bob sent Josh to--never pressed charges and was later arrested and convicted of molesting children and creating child pornography. Seriously. This family is surrounded by pedophile friends and colleagues who engage in pedophile thinking. And Jim Bob has a son who acted out sexually and committed incest with four of Jim Bob's daughters.

This is so…egregious and sick. I hope people start questioning Jim Bob, because Josh's teenage behavior is a sign that someone in that family sexually abused Josh!

[Dont call me Shirley]

42. Strong reason to suspect their vein of religion teaches and promotes this way of life

[wendylaroux]

76. Exactly REP

A woman ate the apple in the garden of Eden and caused sin.
Women are less then men because of this.
There are even women around here,who do not have epidurals in childbirth,
because god gave them the pain because of Eve's apple eating.
I kid you not,know it for a fact.

[Aerows]

34. Clearly the 6 year old that Josh Duggard

molested was dressed immodestly, committed indecent exposure, was around evil friends and out from under the protection of her parents (because, you know, big brother isn't a parent, so she's open season).



I will never forget the pastor of the evangelical church that married my sister hit on my Brother-In-Law's sister - one of the brides maids at the reception. She hid in the ladies room to get away from him. Of course, he was married, upstanding, and that bridesmaid dress just made her too sinful to refrain from groping at the fucking reception. Thank heavens I was rather cocky, assertive and scowled at him when he got too friendly taking my hand.

That, to me, sums up every single "ultra-religious" holy man I've ever met. I wouldn't trust one of them alone with me, a child, an animal or an inanimate object of value.

[bravenak]

35. Yep.

I've seen that type of stuff myself. Always the girls fault for enticing the guy. I once heard a baby raper say that the toddler enticed him.

[Aerows]

40. It makes me simultaneously

enraged and ill.

[Dont call me Shirley]

43. Me too.

[bravenak]

46. Me too.

I feel like biting something.

[Jamastiene]

56. There is a preacher here that every woman knows

to avoid. He runs a grocery store in Hamlet, NC. (IGA) If he is in the store and you are female, you won't make it out of there without your breasts being groped. He will take groceries out to the car JUST to cop a feel. I don't go there at all. I don't know why other women do, but they do. It's deranged.

[cwydro]

9. Why so many dupes

on this subject?

Does anyone check anymore to see if it's already been posted?

[cyberswede]

15. This is the first I've seen...

I don't think dupes are a problem in GD.

[TBF]

16. That's not a rule in GD (only late breaking news) -

and WHY would you want us not to talk about this?

[Texasgal]

17. I haven't seen this yet..

have you?

[Jamastiene]

57. I don't think they are dupes if each post is new bit of information.

There is so much information coming out about this right now. While posts might look like a dupe to anyone not paying attention, really they are not.

[Heidi]

65. The answer is: Because DUers are interested in the topic.

Also, this is GD, not LBN. Dupes are allowed on GD. Use the hide thread option is the dupes are too much for you.

[cwydro]

67. Thanks. No, it doesn't

bother me, but I wondered why so many were identical in title.

It's all good

[procon]

12. Who dreams up this twisted, evil nonsense?

When I think of all the kids this stuff hurt it makes me sick.

[arcane1]

27. People who want to get away with twisted, evil shit.

[JHB]

58. People trying to force the square peg of the real world into...

...the round hole of their authoritarian mindset and and extremely narrow view of "how things ought to be" as (they claim) ordained by God.

[KittyWampus]

23. #8 is where I lost it and wanted to scream out loud….

If you had to choose between no physical abuse or spiritual strength.

THEY ARE TELLING WOMEN THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE?

WTF?

You either accept physical abuse or are spiritually weak.

[SusanCalvin]

28. O.M.freaking.G

And they can't even spell "altar."

Self-delete was dup caused by glitch.

[GeorgeGist]

30. Moral vaccination ...

Does it cause stupidity?

[LovingA2andMI]

32. Folks Need to Understand how incredibly SICK & PERVERTED this Duggar family IS!!!!

He Molested his SISTERS -- as in Josh felt up his Sisters, and that is all we know because the girls have not been able in anyway to tell their story of events. Then, they "kept this in the family" until the darn near the legal Statue of Limitations ran out, intentionally.

Next Jim Bob and Michelle worked in unison with their sick, pervert Son Josh - to consistently judge the "Moral Character" of other folks, while hiding what Josh did to his Sisters. WTF?

Thank GOD TLC pulled their show and what a joke of a lying piece of filth show it was. This is disgusting behavior plan and simple. The reality is this -- the Duggar's "protected" Josh to ensure the income from TLC would continue, period at the sake of their Daughters mental and likely physical (we have no idea YET) well being - who were molested by their Son.

I don't know how many of you watched the early seasons of "16 Kids and Counting" but sadly, I admit I did. In particular, years one and two. The Duggar's originally were living in what can best be described as a shack with multiple kids sleeping in the bedrooms together. I believe the house had at best, four bedrooms and numerous structural issues to count.

These SICK, PERVERTED people transformed from the TLC Income from that too small shack of a home with Eighteen folks in it (counting all the kids, along with Michelle and Jim Bob) to a mini mansion based on Arkansas standards, on acres of land.

Mind you, Josh Molested is Sisters TWO YEARS prior to the TLC show start on the air -- as the show has been one the network 10 years. The incident are claimed to have taken place 12 years ago.

Folks really need to digest just how SICK this Duggar family is. Personally, I believe Josh disgusting secret - now exposed - is just the tip of the iceberg.

[StevieM]

49. The latest I am hearing is that one of the girls was 4 years old.

And, supposedly, Josh digitally penetrated her. I am not positive if that info is correct, but I read it a couple places.

I am going to read the entire police report.

The fifth victim is from the (redacted) family. Her father is a GOP politician in Arkansas. I wonder why she is over the house to begin with? I heard she was babysitting. I am wondering if Jim Bob and Michelle had her there because they were scared to leave the kids home alone with Josh.

On Edit: the basis for destroying the police report is that one of the victims is a minor. Meaning she is a minor today in 2015. Only one Duggar sister (who was born at that point) fits that description, and she was born on October 28, 1997. So in 2002 she was 4. If she was assaulted in 2003, when the final incident happened, then she would have been 5.

[bullwinkle428]

33. Goddammit. This just makes me want to go out and start breaking things.

[Fred Sanders]

38. The same folks who are terrified of not real Sharia Law let equally damaging, but real, Maria law rule their lives.

[REP]

79. Cute rhyme but not quite accurate

As I mentioned in a previous post up thread, Augustine of Hippo (an early influential Church father) helped to shape, or rather twist, views of women and sexuality. And while he was not the first, he was a strong Marist; that is he held that Mary was a virgin before and after the birth of Jesus and gave her a somewhat demigod status. Marists are still around and influential; at least one recent and loved pope was a Marist.

[PowerToThePeople]

41. I have tried to stay out of these threads

But

[SoapBox]

44. These weirdos are fucked up.

[Dont call me Shirley]

45. These teachings literally are promoting boys to modest and girls must take it. It is sick.

These religious freaks are the ones who are actively seeking to theocratize this country, commit genocide of other religions and convert all "unsaved" to their cult.

Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, Dominionism, Baptists

[riderinthestorm]

47. "Cleanse with rhemas"? WTF?

what does that even mean?

It certainly doesn't seem to imply counseling or medical care does it?



It's all about the victims fault...just awful.

Those poor girls...

[historylovr]

71. I found this explanation posted elsewhere by someone familiar with the

"Advanced Training Institute" lingo of Gothard, that a "rhema" is a Bible verse that the spirit supposedly guides you to for answers. In this case, to "regain surrendered ground."

[pokerfan]

48. This makes me sick

Twisted and depraved.

[ck4829]

50. You're hanging out with 'evil friends', but you're supposed to forgive the offender?

Victim blaming and all but saying the abuser is the real victim wrapped up in one concentrated into that small of a package.

[ck4829]

52. They dealt with it alright

By claiming they were the 'moral values' family and demonizing gays.

[zazen]

55. paradoxically crazy-making teaching, but it contains means of ultimate emotional survival

The victim-blaming is ridiculous, of course, but immediately internalizing the locus of control is always appealing if you feel you have no other option (that's what we all unconsciously do when someone is victimized--we say, well, that wouldn't happen to me because I --fill in the blank). If you're young and you think you caused it by the way you are dressed, just like the way all abused children would prefer to blame themselves rather than admit they're at the mercy of crazy abusers, the shock of the violation is more tolerable. You tell yourself, I had control--I just failed to exercise it--not, I didn't have any control no matter how hard I could fight back.

But speaking as a survivor of long-term trauma myself, ultimately, after the anger and putting causation where it belongs, the only person who can reclaim one's life is the survivor themselves, and often that takes the form of faith in "God" (that can be inner strength, light, universal consciousness, whatever your brand of faith and/or cosmology. . . ).

So when they talk about inner resources that "God" --a.k.a. our spiritual nature--provides us to deal with and rise above physical trauma--well, that's consistent with Victor Frankl's writings on surviving the Holocuase and a lot of other wise survivors, like survivors of sexual victimization, batterers, crazy-making alcoholics, etc.

I can imagine if you've been schooled with this blend of misogynistic victim-blaming and fundamentally sound teachings like the ones at the end, you'd feel that an attack on any of it is an attack on all of it. You'd feel that you'd moved on through this blend of crazy-and-reasonable, so anyone who questions the original attribution of blame just wants you to live in the pain and victim identity and not "move on."

I think so much of the fundamentalist mindset works because there are parts that make sense, blended in with the crazy. The parts that are psychologically resonant--and when you think about it, that's got to be there for it to have any sticking power, reinforce the person when the delusional parts of their belief system are challenged.

[CanonRay]

60. You have to know that the guy who wrote this bile

is molesting kids himself...this is how he justifies it in his sicko mind.

[CanonRay]

59. These people are sick

a whole damn curriculum to brainwash kids into their wacko mindset. I am thoroughly disgusted.

[AngryOldDem]

61. "Why did GOD let it happen"????

As usual, the fault lies entirely with the victim.

And am I to understand per No. 8 that being "mighty in spirit" is preferable to not being abused? And in No. 10-- what is "rhemas," or do I even want to know?

Some. Fucked. Up. Shit.

[StarlightGold]

62. Get a load of #8

A choice between abuse or being spiritual. And we all know what these people think abuse victims should choose. Being abused is preferable to losing your spirituality. You'll get something extra in your goodie bag in the afterlife. Josh's current kids need to be removed from their home. Ho w can we go about getting CPS to make a visit?

I'm going to be fucking sick...

[historylovr]

63. # 5. The last lines.

"Explain the potential of a 'moral vacination ...'" I followed a link I saw yesterday and found this little barf-nugget:

“Moral vaccination” seems to reference a concept Gothard shared in seminars and conferences in the 1980s, when he told the story of a woman who struggled with unwanted sexual thoughts and eventually was raped. In the anecdote, Gothard described the rape and the woman’s subsequent aversion to sexuality as inoculation against lust.

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors

I realize that the quote itself is an anecdote, but it's from a survivor of Gothard's teachings, who takes each of these points and breaks them down to show how they were/are implemented.

[liberal_at_heart]

64. That is disgusting.

[Arugula Latte]

66. Sickos. This is the fruit of patriarchal religious nutjob beliefs.

[awoke_in_2003]

68. This is just about

the sickest thing I have ever read.

[myrna minx]

69. This reads like an abuse grooming manual.

[jwirr]

73. Doesn't seem to include any "thou shalt nots" for their son.