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Fri May 22, 2015, 10:38 PM

The simple person's guide to the TPP

For 7 or so years, the Republicans in congress have voted against anything president Obama wanted to to. Didn't matter if the thing he wanted to do was not really different from the thing they wanted to do, they just made a point of voting against him.

Then along comes the TPP and fast track authority. Suddenly, they are fluffy bunnies. They want to vote WITH the president. Why is that?

It's simple.

It's because the TPP fits their overall agenda of enabling corporations at the expense of everyone else.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the TPP is not good for working Americans. Republicans love it enough to agree with president Obama, something they just do not like to do no matter what.

All those folks who have suddenly showed up here explaining that trade agreements are good for everyone are nothing but fucking liars and probably paid liars at that.

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Reply The simple person's guide to the TPP (Original post)
sendero May 2015 OP
PowerToThePeople May 2015 #1
840high May 2015 #3
Kablooie May 2015 #18
Hoyt May 2015 #2
Rolando May 2015 #4
bluesbassman May 2015 #7
Hoyt May 2015 #12
delrem May 2015 #16
Hoyt May 2015 #19
delrem May 2015 #21
bluesbassman May 2015 #22
Flying Squirrel May 2015 #9
Hoyt May 2015 #11
delrem May 2015 #20
Jack Rabbit May 2015 #5
DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #6
delrem May 2015 #17
SoapBox May 2015 #8
BeanMusical May 2015 #14
Cha May 2015 #23
Cleita May 2015 #10
BeanMusical May 2015 #13
Hoyt May 2015 #15
Cha May 2015 #24

Response to sendero (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 10:40 PM

1. TPP is a Republican dream come true. n/t

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #1)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:23 AM

3. yes

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #1)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:54 AM

18. and apparently it's Obama's dream come true also. That's the real kicker.

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Fri May 22, 2015, 10:47 PM

2. Exactly, that is a simpleton's guide. Similar logic, what does it tell you Tbaggers are against it

too?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:28 AM

4. Dewey didn't get elected,

 

but I went on eating cornbread anyway, thanks to Truman and Eisenhower. At least, though, I was eating something.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:50 AM

7. Because Teabaggers are an extreme fringe of the Republican Party...

that hates President Obama wit a burning passion and would be against anything he is for.

Really, your rhetoric trying to tie Progressives and Liberals who oppose the TPP to Geabaggers is tiresome. Come up with some new material at least to shill for the TPP.

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #7)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:11 AM

12. Just pointing out your rhetoric trying to tie Obama's support of TPP to Republicans is similarly

tiresome.

You are playing the same old notes, as well.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:49 AM

16. Hi Hoyt.

I see that you're having fun!

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Response to delrem (Reply #16)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:55 AM

19. Hardly, it's tiresome, as they say.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #19)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:59 AM

21. Sorry about that.

Politics gives nobody any rest.
It can get tiresome.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #12)

Sat May 23, 2015, 02:56 AM

22. You've got it backwards.

Republicans, who have consistantly resisted any proposal the President has put forth are now suddenly on board with thos one. You may wish to overlook that fact, but it is certainly a troubling scenario to many who are concerned with the TPP and it's long term objectives and ramifications.

Teabaggers would reject any Obama proposal out of hand so your implication that they share a common concern regarding the TPP with Progressives and Liberals is a strawman tactic.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:56 AM

9. Teabaggers are more rabidly anti-Obama

 

So it makes sense they would still be against it whereas there is a lower limit for non-teabag Republicans (obviously, otherwise they would not have pissed off the teabaggers by caving on the Gov't shutdown over Obamacare, among other things). It's disingenuous to suggest that the OP's logic is faulty just because the teabaggers aren't on board with Obama on the TPP like the most of the rest of the Repugs are. But you knew that.

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #9)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:08 AM

11. They are also bigots, Nationalists, xenophobes, and largely ignorant. eom

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:57 AM

20. It's just astroturf from the American Enterprise Institute.

That's the leadership.

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:39 AM

5. More Senate Democrats voted No today than voted Yes

Every Republican voted Yes.

In 2006, Senator Lieberman was virtually read out of the Democratic Party by Democratic voters who refused to renominate him for another term in the Senate, feeling that his support for the war in Iraq and hawkish views on Middle East overall did not represent their values.

Lieberman held on to his seat by running as an independent. The Republican Party abandoned their own candidate to fund Lieberman's campaign and the Republicans further urged their voters to vote for Lieberman. Senator Lieberman won re-election with Republican money and Republican votes.

Today, President Obama became the Joe Lieberman of 2015.

Those on this board who support the TPP are within their rights to do so. However, they cannot say or even insinuate that those of us who oppose this deal are somehow disloyal. That just doesn't hold water.

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:47 AM

6. All the Republicans are for it, and it has NO natural constituency

 

so when you see tools on DU defending it and talking about how they cry themselves to sleep thinking of Vietnamese farmers every night, someone is attempting to sell you a bill of goods. No one of normal income and station in life, and I mean no one, has any hope of gaining anything from this trade deal. There is no one at all telling themselves, "I think this will improve my lot in life". There are liars and fixers among us who are out to spread misinformation in an attempt to influence thinking. Guess what those people think about the rest of us. Hint: if they're willing to lie to your face repeatedly, they have no respect for you. And I have none for them. I wish I could say more.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #6)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:53 AM

17. ....+ + 1

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:53 AM

8. This will be the big, bad bruise on Obama's legacy.

I sure as HELL will never forget that he screwed the 99%.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:19 AM

14. +1

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Sat May 23, 2015, 03:13 AM

23. And, I don't think it will. I trust the President.. don't care how many threaten his "legacy".

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:59 AM

10. It was obvious to me from the beginning that when the only people who get

a seat at the table to draft the bill are the corporations to the exclusion of everyone else who will be affected by such bill, and then it's done in secrecy, it has a certain stink to it.

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Response to sendero (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:19 AM

13. "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the TPP is not good for working Americans."

It sure doesn't.

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #13)

Sat May 23, 2015, 01:46 AM

15. Apparently, it does.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Sat May 23, 2015, 03:15 AM

24. Mahalo Hoyt for standing up to the OP who says anyone who doesn't think like him is a "fucking liar"

with his "simpleton guide" in hand.

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