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Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 07:36 AM May 2015

"I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people."

That's a quote from the letter Sharon Underwood wrote in April 2000 to her local paper, the Valley News in White River Junction, Vermont. It is the most powerful statement I have ever read on how gay people can be driven to despair by the so-called "family values" crowd (like the Duggars).

Here is the letter, printed in full:



Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people.

I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay.

He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace, while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don't know. I can only tell you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change it. For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart.

He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.

How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage.

You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?"

Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that?
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"I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people." (Original Post) Martin Eden May 2015 OP
k and r dembotoz May 2015 #1
ripped my heart out marym625 May 2015 #2
K & R! n/t RufusTFirefly May 2015 #3
Outstanding ! Thanks for the post. mahannah May 2015 #4
K&R! Omaha Steve May 2015 #5
I wish I knew her personally. Wow. Just... Wow. vanlassie May 2015 #6
K & R + 1000 libdem4life May 2015 #7
If anything deserves to go viral... annabanana May 2015 #8
+100 narnian60 May 2015 #32
+1000 flying rabbit May 2015 #63
K&R..... daleanime May 2015 #9
The way some people live in this world 'causes me to cry. BlueJazz May 2015 #10
What a ohheckyeah May 2015 #11
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2015 #12
How saddening! beerdragon May 2015 #50
The religious conservatives claim that people choose to be gay. Enthusiast May 2015 #51
When they claim that people choose to be homosexual Fortinbras Armstrong May 2015 #65
Their argument has no legs. That's why things are rapidly changing. n/t Enthusiast May 2015 #66
We do have DU groups here for those who embrace religion Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #67
Don't EVER piss off a mother! What a righteous rant! Dustlawyer May 2015 #13
We are a country of judgmental bullies. Oneironaut May 2015 #14
Very well written. The emotion leaps off my computer monitor. FLSurfer May 2015 #15
The letter was written in 2000; so her dad wouldve been in his 20s in WW2 7962 May 2015 #18
Letter was written in April 2000. Maedhros May 2015 #36
Beautiful letter. MarianJack May 2015 #16
Now THAT is one heck of a letter!! 7962 May 2015 #17
When you are truly better awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #31
K & R !!! Thespian2 May 2015 #19
K&R nt brer cat May 2015 #20
I remember that letter and the one that precipitated it cali May 2015 #21
I can't remember when I first saw this letter, but it was on DU and I've re-posted it several times Martin Eden May 2015 #23
Reading that letter again brought back a flood of conflicting emotion cali May 2015 #24
Brilliant letter in many regards. As the father of a gay son I can truly relate to her pain. Scuba May 2015 #22
I'm in tears. SusanCalvin May 2015 #25
Tremendous....Will the haters ever get it? randys1 May 2015 #26
No, they never will awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #34
K&R! Thanks for posting this! Far too often today religion is a code word for hatred, in fact, RKP5637 May 2015 #27
Outstanding! CrispyQ May 2015 #28
K & R mountain grammy May 2015 #29
Yes, finally most of us agree. It'll take more than a lifetime to clear out the haters. erronis May 2015 #39
Bravo ! ashling May 2015 #30
K & R romanic May 2015 #33
Extremely well written letter. Sadly we live in a society that promotes self-righteous rhett o rick May 2015 #35
Bravo, Ms. Underwood! Aristus May 2015 #37
bless her and her son's souls heaven05 May 2015 #38
K&R Solly Mack May 2015 #40
Awesome letter. EEO May 2015 #41
K & R RecoveringJournalist May 2015 #42
Interesting how the right wing loonies preaching "family values" tend to be the ones that violate 4lbs May 2015 #43
Greatest. Response. Ever. Moostache May 2015 #44
K+R Ineeda May 2015 #45
Excellent post Martin! scubadude May 2015 #46
she fired both barrels at these so and sos allan01 May 2015 #47
Powerful. Thanks for reprinting it here today. nt No Vested Interest May 2015 #48
That is magnificent. hifiguy May 2015 #49
K, R, Bookmarking. n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #52
That certainly kicks the Myth of Liberal Vermont in the teeth....HARD. MADem May 2015 #53
K&R! myrna minx May 2015 #54
WONDERFUL letter Skittles May 2015 #55
How Very Well I Know titanicdave May 2015 #56
Thank you. Pooka Fey May 2015 #57
If ever there was an agenda .... the_sly_pig May 2015 #58
K & R historylovr May 2015 #59
To watch your child Iwillnevergiveup May 2015 #60
Amen! cui bono May 2015 #61
Damn right!!! That's all I can say. calimary May 2015 #62
K&R. So well put. We need more people like that and Binkie The Clown May 2015 #64
SUPERB!!! calimary May 2015 #68

beerdragon

(7 posts)
50. How saddening!
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:32 PM
May 2015

Oh that wrenched at my soul. You know, I'm Christian (probably gonna get hate for it) but, I honestly believe that if those ,"religious goofs", would pay more attention to what is written in the Bible; they would find that we have been specifically instructed to love one another period. There are no caveats just that. So if those who claim it's sin should ask themselves first, "am I not a sinner as well?" They are, we all are, but we're forgiven. So what's their deal. My Uncle left his family for another man when I was 14-15yrs old. And I love him regardless. Every one ended up coming out ok, how about that huh? I also have some friends that are gay, and I L-O-V-E them! I don't differentiate their preferences when it comes to giving my love. Why can't folks just be tolerant of things that are beyond their norm.? It's sad that people regardless of orientation are treated so poorly, what ever happened to the golden rule? Have a better day everyone

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
51. The religious conservatives claim that people choose to be gay.
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:44 PM
May 2015

I ask you, who would choose a life of abuse? Their claims are just plain wrong. I believe in treating people well. I am hetero too.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
65. When they claim that people choose to be homosexual
Sun May 24, 2015, 07:50 AM
May 2015

I ask about their choice to be heterosexual. I haven't had one response yet.

Also, when they say that allowing gay marriage will harm straight marriage, I tell them that I am straight and married, and ask how gay marriage will affect my marriage in any way. The typical response is that it will not affect any individual marriage. To which I reply that they are saying gay marriage will affect all marriages and no marriages simultaneously, and ask for an explanation. "Well, it will harm the institution of marriage." Which begs the question, "How?" At that point, they tend to change the subject.

Rhiannon12866

(204,856 posts)
67. We do have DU groups here for those who embrace religion
Sun May 24, 2015, 02:15 PM
May 2015

Though you'll probably find that most here agree with that philosophy, religious or not. It's the "Christian" right that we have a problem with, those who quote religion to support prejudice. Welcome to DU, glad to have you with us...


Here are a couple of those groups:

Religion (Group)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

Christian Liberals & Progressive People of Faith (Group)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1222

Oneironaut

(5,487 posts)
14. We are a country of judgmental bullies.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:49 AM
May 2015

It's laughable to claim that our country is "tolerant" or in any way modern when hate-mongers are obsessed with how everybody else around them is living their life. Their whole attitude is, "Look at those (gays, poor people, Liberals etc.) - I'm so much better than them! They're going to hell, and I'm going to heaven!" We have one segment of this country that wants to go forward, and another segment that wants to bring us back into the dark ages.

It's time to grow up and act like adults - a concept completely foreign to many in this country.

FLSurfer

(431 posts)
15. Very well written. The emotion leaps off my computer monitor.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:53 AM
May 2015

But I'm having trouble with her 83 y/o father having fought in WWII.
My 82 y/o father was 7 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and 12 when the war ended.
Must be a loooong stretch between 82 and 83 years of age.
But I won't loose the forest for the trees

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. The letter was written in 2000; so her dad wouldve been in his 20s in WW2
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:03 AM
May 2015

I had to go back and re-read the OP after your comment because i didnt notice the date either.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
16. Beautiful letter.
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:53 AM
May 2015

Parents (at least sane ones) ALWAYS love their kids unconditionally. Our 15 year old son is heterosexual. He is starting to date girls, some of them very lovely young women. My wife's and my pride in him is rooted in the wonderful man he is growing into, not the fact that he is attracted to females instead of males. 2 of those moments have involved his interactions and attitudes towards LGBT people.

The first was when he was in 5th grade. A classmate came out to him and his response was to tell the boy was that it didn't matter because he was his friend regardless.

The second was when we were at the 2012 Maine State Democratic Convention. I was a delegate and he was the hardest working Page at the convention. When we were buying some buttons for ourselves and Mom, HE selected one for himself that said it SO well. It said something that all of the homophobic fundie bigots like the Duggars should get through their soft, empty heads. BTW, my son still wears the button on occasion.

The button simply says "Some People are Gay. Get Over It!"

My wife and I are VERY proud parents. I may be clueless saying this, but when I became a father I knew that I would always LOVE my son. A very pleasant surprise is how much I RESPECT him.

We do, however, frequently wanna knock him through the floor!

PEACE!

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. Now THAT is one heck of a letter!!
Sat May 23, 2015, 08:59 AM
May 2015

She didnt insult anyone or talk like she was better than anyone, she just put the facts out there right in their face.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
19. K & R !!!
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:07 AM
May 2015

Thanks for sharing this letter...

Indeed, if only we were all trying to be better human beings...

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. I remember that letter and the one that precipitated it
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:17 AM
May 2015

That guy- I believe he's now dead wrote a seemingly endless stream of letters to VT newspapers.

It's hard to explain, and even shocking to remember what it was like here in VT during that period, particularly along the I-91 corridor from just south of WR to the Canadian border. Yes, it was a minority, but it was a fucking loud horrid minority. And the vehemence came as a surprise to many of us as Vermont had enacted so many laws protecting our LGBT citizens from discrimination- by 2000, adoption was legal for LGBT folks, workplace discrimination had been banned for a decade, hate crime legislation protecting LGBT people had been in place since 1990.

Those of us working to see marriage equality passed- and yes, we settled for civil unions- were sickened by the hate that came out of the woodwork. I saw it every day on my drive to work on signs on barns, by the road and on trees: Take Vermont Back. I heard it in public hearings in Montpelier and St. Johnsbury, and read it in letters to the editors.

The only time I've ever been subject to vandalism was during that period. I had come up with a bumper sticker and had thousands made up. I had one on my car and one day it got egged while I was shopping.

It lasted for about a year or so after civil unions were enacted. Not a period of time to be proud of.

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
23. I can't remember when I first saw this letter, but it was on DU and I've re-posted it several times
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:26 AM
May 2015

This latest "Duggar" news brought it to mind again.

Thanks for sharing the context of the original letter with your experience of that time in Vermont.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
24. Reading that letter again brought back a flood of conflicting emotion
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:29 AM
May 2015

Thanks for posting it- again.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. Brilliant letter in many regards. As the father of a gay son I can truly relate to her pain.
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:20 AM
May 2015

This part, I beleive, is especially true.

You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
25. I'm in tears.
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:44 AM
May 2015

I would like to shake that good lady's hand. Heck, I would like to give her a big hug, and I'm not a hugger.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
34. No, they never will
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

that is why civil rights laws should never depend on the serendipity of the vote.

RKP5637

(67,089 posts)
27. K&R! Thanks for posting this! Far too often today religion is a code word for hatred, in fact,
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

that is really much of what we hear today from many of the righteous and their flocks. This letter summed up their pious hatred laced with bigotry quite well.

mountain grammy

(26,600 posts)
29. K & R
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

The letter was dated April, 2000, less than a year before the evangelical, bible thumping W Bush was appointed to office.

It's as relevant today as it was then, except, finally, the majority of Americans agree.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
33. K & R
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:19 AM
May 2015

This tugged at my heart the most:


You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance.


So many so-called Christians I've dealt with just couldn't bear the fact that I was perfectly happy and healthy and...gay. They said I was going to hell and going to die of AIDS or get "beat up". The kicker; the only way I would be happy was to give "myself to Jesus" and pretend to be something I'm not in order to get a "spot in Heaven" - and all that crap came from a distant relative who has remained distant ever since.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. Extremely well written letter. Sadly we live in a society that promotes self-righteous
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015

bullying. It is socially acceptable to bully others. It's on TV all the time and even promoted nationally. We are the self appointed bully of the world. We kill people because they will not accept our views of religion or democracy.

We must fight against self-righteous bullying. It's bad enough that we have "cruel and ignorant" people, that hide their own feeling of inferiority by attacking others, but we, as a society, look the other way. We allow our neighbors children to be bullied. We know who the bullies are and we let them do it. We need to make it clear to our school and other institutions that we, as a society, will not tolerate bullying, for any reason.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. bless her and her son's souls
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:40 PM
May 2015

she is a 'real one' putting the upright 'moral' people and their hypocrisy right out there, in truth, on front street. Anyone not moved by this letter is part of the hypocrite crowd and you're welcome to them. I salute you Ms. Underwood.

4lbs

(6,831 posts)
43. Interesting how the right wing loonies preaching "family values" tend to be the ones that violate
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:32 PM
May 2015

those same family values most often.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
44. Greatest. Response. Ever.
Sat May 23, 2015, 01:56 PM
May 2015

I only wish I could FORCE the Christian fundies to understand -THEY are the ones who should be feared and ostracized. Its not gay people we read about molesting children, partaking of meth and prostitutes, raping children on an industrial scale or protesting funerals of combat casualties.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
47. she fired both barrels at these so and sos
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:20 PM
May 2015

never , never , piss off a mother .
i have sighted the enemy and he is us .

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. That certainly kicks the Myth of Liberal Vermont in the teeth....HARD.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:13 PM
May 2015

I gotta say, any kid, regardless of orientation, would be one lucky duck to have a mother like that. She knows how to stand and deliver.

Skittles

(153,122 posts)
55. WONDERFUL letter
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:27 PM
May 2015

I want these religious creeps called out for what the are - BIGOTS / ABUSERS / ASSHOLES

titanicdave

(429 posts)
56. How Very Well I Know
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

this story.......from the 4th grade all the way through junior high school and senior high school, I lived the same life as this ladies son.....it is a miserable existence, trust me.....I was verbally and physically abused and "pantsed" and thrown naked into the girl's bathroom......and called every name in the book......I finally was able to meet and marry my husband at age 72 and now being in failing health, he as to take care of me......I served during Viet Nam and stayed in the closet all that time and won my honorable discharge from the Army.....may your son find true love an happiness no matter how long it takes.......it is worth the wait

the_sly_pig

(740 posts)
58. If ever there was an agenda ....
Sat May 23, 2015, 05:43 PM
May 2015

It is Pharisees making money by selling hate. And stupid people can't tolerate variables.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
60. To watch your child
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:02 PM
May 2015

labor over a suicide note for whatever reason has to be in a place called the depths of despair. I cannot imagine the pain this family went through, even though it was so pointedly described, nor can I imagine the millions of other families who've experienced the same thing. Honestly, I can hardly breathe, but do appreciate seeing this letter posted.

K&R

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
61. Amen!
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:31 PM
May 2015

The only thing I disagree with is this:

"because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part"

It makes it seem that being hetero is better. I think perhaps she means easier to deal with, but anyway... great rant and spot on!

calimary

(81,139 posts)
62. Damn right!!! That's all I can say.
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:22 PM
May 2015

It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, in the first place! It's nobody's damn business, and it's certainly not for them to judge.

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