Sat May 23, 2015, 12:28 PM

upaloopa (11,417 posts)

Hillary vs Bernie re: supporter point of view

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Hillary supporter, I was born into this world, I need to help make opportunity available to everyone so that we all have an equal chance at success.
Bernie supporter, I was born into this world I have a right to food shelter clothing education and healthcare. Someone needs to provide it for me.
On edit:
Who provides Bernie's free education?
Who pays for it?
Who has the knowledge to share with students
Who puts in the effort to become a professor?
Speak to that
That is what I am getting at
You never talk about that part

We just say pass a law and everyone else get in line
If you can't answer me without an insult how are you going to answer the rest of the electorate when they say the same thing I did?

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Hillary vs Bernie re: supporter point of view (Original post)	upaloopa	May 2015	OP
Sounds Like A Republican Vs Liberal Perspective To These Eyes And Ears	cantbeserious	May 2015	#1
They've morphed into them, bad memories and blurry vision .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#5
They don't even try to hide it anymore	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#42
Absolutely agree. Back before raygun many of us got free educations and what happened there is	jwirr	May 2015	#197
+1	daleanime	May 2015	#176
You sound like a repuke.	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#2
Sound like someone who is willing to work hard to me.	leftofcool	May 2015	#9
I work hard	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#18
So did I until I retired	leftofcool	May 2015	#24
"And you and I both know that the rich will never be taxed for it "	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#26
And Bernie will not tax the rich because he won't get elected to do it...	brooklynite	May 2015	#36
He wouldn't be able to even if he got elected.	leftofcool	May 2015	#39
Defeatism: an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#52
And you both may be right about that - but I have a hard time understanding the glee that so	jwirr	May 2015	#71
Where do you see glee?	leftofcool	May 2015	#81
What I hear you saying is Bernie is somehow wrong about this need. But I also hear your	jwirr	May 2015	#91
We are more in agreement that you think.	leftofcool	May 2015	#93
LOL - thanks.	jwirr	May 2015	#97
So does the rich. Why are you afraid of taxing them?	eloydude	May 2015	#127
And you know this how? Your posts are always a real trip. nt	Hekate	May 2015	#136
Wall Street Dems are desperate to silence Bernie	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#44
How is he being "silenced"?	brooklynite	May 2015	#55
They do this by having corporate media ignore Bernie Sanders	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#59
Hasn't he been on tons of talk shows lately?	leftofcool	May 2015	#82
He has been on a few shows	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#87
Name a candidate who HAS been included in policy discussions	brooklynite	May 2015	#118
They aren't running for the Democratic nomination	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#125
Okay - what coverage has Hillary gotten that Bernie hasn't?	brooklynite	May 2015	#142
Are you serious?	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#162
Wall Street Journal doesn't like Hillary at all. No way no how. You should try reading it. nt	Hekate	May 2015	#137
Wall Street Journal is just a newspaper	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#139
Oh yes, Bernie will be elected as your next President of the United States	eloydude	May 2015	#126
And I get that	leftofcool	May 2015	#37
House will be up for election multiple times while he is President. n/t	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#43
Yes, and think Gerrymandering.	leftofcool	May 2015	#54
Defeatism	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#95
I do not see why you are all so upset about a free education. Education has and always will be an	jwirr	May 2015	#67
No problem with a free education	leftofcool	May 2015	#73
I agree but that is hardly the fault of either Bernie or Hillary. That is our fault that we have	jwirr	May 2015	#85
Exactly!	leftofcool	May 2015	#88
They do not have enough money for food for their children. There have always been people who did	jwirr	May 2015	#96
If the rich won't pay taxes, we can simply expropriate their wealth. - nt	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#92
Rich people don't keep money where you can expropriate it.	leftofcool	May 2015	#98
I understand where you're coming from, but do note I said "expropriate their	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#103
No kidding! Send me to Malibu when I am ready for assisted living!	leftofcool	May 2015	#108
I'm down with this plan.	bravenak	May 2015	#149
Sounds like an average voter	treestar	May 2015	#178
My over - simplistic definition	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#3
What has Bernie "done"	MaggieD	May 2015	#17
Your post 12:44 this post 12:39, your not reading, here	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#51
Again, what has he "done"	MaggieD	May 2015	#65
And NO ONE will elect Hillary because of what she's	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#83
So you won't vote for her if nominated?	MaggieD	May 2015	#84
No it's not, I'm saying I would hate to . And will	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#90
Good for you	MaggieD	May 2015	#94
Too "far left" and doesn't "do anything"? How about the Fed audit?!	cascadiance	May 2015	#182
Well Put !!!!!	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#188
Also this is how you tell what a person has done and is doing, the longest	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#57
Unless it's HRC apparently	MaggieD	May 2015	#148
And Hillary CAN?	arcane1	May 2015	#112
Some things always come around again.	Autumn	May 2015	#138
Absolutely	MaggieD	May 2015	#145
You provided some form of health care, right? And as I understand it you	cali	May 2015	#143
I do - not now	MaggieD	May 2015	#144
I know you haven't the slightest clue as to the difference between opinion and fact	cali	May 2015	#165
Agreed, look at ALL of your posts .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#166
Well let's fact check me then.....	MaggieD	May 2015	#170
Her husband was president, she wasn't " Instrumental " in	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#167
That's just not true	MaggieD	May 2015	#169
This message was self-deleted by its author	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#174
Bingo! Why would anyone believe HRC is now a populist? DLC/Corporatist/3rdwayer is her history	peacebird	May 2015	#177
Hillary: Nevermind that I will owe favors to every billionaire who has funded my campaign	onecaliberal	May 2015	#183
beyond puerile and ridiculous.	cali	May 2015	#4
+1000 !!!!	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#7
Roger That - Many Real Democrats See HRC For What She Is - A Patron Of The Oligarchs	cantbeserious	May 2015	#8
Leaving HRC out of it; I am utterly sure that most DUers whoever they support	cali	May 2015	#20
Noble Sentiment - This One Witnesses The Clinton's Activities Of Patronage For The Oligarchs	cantbeserious	May 2015	#48
So you're a hit and run flamebait poster. That's contemptible	cali	May 2015	#66
That Is A Contemptible Post Coming From You	cantbeserious	May 2015	#69
Exactly !!!!!!!!!	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#32
They aren't enough to elect a President though	treestar	May 2015	#179
HRC Is Beholden To Wall Street - Wall Street Is Beholden To Oligarchs	cantbeserious	May 2015	#184
Just keep repeating that meaningless trope	treestar	May 2015	#191
Pointing Out Facts As A Voter - Has Meaining For Some	cantbeserious	May 2015	#195
Agree. I would add that a better society would better fuel a healthy economy. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	May 2015	#29
I want the people who do the work to reap the benefits of their work, not the global 1%, who	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#100
In fairness	cali	May 2015	#119
Your post makes me a little sad as it evokes my own father somewhat. You seem to have	KingCharlemagne	May 2015	#122
thank you for those very kind words.	cali	May 2015	#130
I think we had the same father, except mine was a lawyer.	Exilednight	May 2015	#135
brother (or sister) from another father.	cali	May 2015	#140
Have you ever thought of volunteering?	MaggieD	May 2015	#150
You're silly.	Alittleliberal	May 2015	#155
You know I'm disabled and	cali	May 2015	#164
There are still things you could do....	MaggieD	May 2015	#168
Is that you Bill Frist?	cali	May 2015	#171
No it's just me	MaggieD	May 2015	#172
"Makers not Takers"? Sounds familiar.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2015	#6
Republican Lite .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#14
Sanders vs Clinton on Womens' Rights, LGBT Rights, Civil Rights:	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#10
+ 1000 !!!	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#16
You're welcome, orpupilofnature57! There's more to come!	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#30
Yep .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#34
No.	Starry Messenger	May 2015	#11
So, I'm interpreting,	LWolf	May 2015	#12
What opportunities are Hillary supporters making available?	CharlotteVale	May 2015	#13
Plenty of opportunities, provided by Ms Clinton -	truedelphi	May 2015	#114
Yep, and I suspect the other "opportunities"	CharlotteVale	May 2015	#121
You don't speak for me and those rights you listed most	sufrommich	May 2015	#15
I don't believe most other Hillary supporters would agree with the OP either.	m-lekktor	May 2015	#45
Actually, we believe this:	leftofcool	May 2015	#61
I guess a couple of them do.	Starry Messenger	May 2015	#77
That's too close to the "Wellfare queen" mantra for comfort.	Gregorian	May 2015	#19
I don't see a difference, actually.	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#25
there isn't. it's a flat out Ronald Reagon supporter comment.	m-lekktor	May 2015	#47
Try this: HRC supporters are okay with having corporations run "our" govt...	polichick	May 2015	#21
...^ that	840high	May 2015	#157
“The True Measure of Any Society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members” – Gandhi	Jackpine Radical	May 2015	#22
Your formulation	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#23
This is awesome. How to win friends and influence people.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2015	#27
Then you need to change your avatar. Unless your support that free market thing you're talkin bout.	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#28
That is not at all what I said	upaloopa	May 2015	#72
Keep attacking people with valid points, And the " Someone "	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#99
You have the heads exploding. I think they should create a society where like people can provide	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#31
Hippie Communes?	leftofcool	May 2015	#33
Yes and I bet they have an experienced leader in mind.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#53
Yeah we do. His name is Bernie Sanders. Experienced and cares about the American people	Autumn	May 2015	#78
And he has commune experience.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#102
So fucking what? Is that supposed to be something awful?	Autumn	May 2015	#105
Are you a expert on small republican minds? Not here, wrong again, I just said you have a leader,	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#109
Oh I like the one I've chosen to support for President.	Autumn	May 2015	#116
Oh, you should ask him, he spent a few years in one.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#131
As an old hippie I don't need to ask.	Autumn	May 2015	#132
Already knew, huh	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#133
I lived in one for about 6 months. I don't see anything wrong with it.	leftofcool	May 2015	#110
wow. your characterization of a Bernie supporter	m-lekktor	May 2015	#35
Ha! I'm a Hillary supporter but I think you've just talked me into supporting Bernie! n/t	DawgHouse	May 2015	#38
I am in favor of the mixed economy. I am a Keynesian.	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#40
Did you vote for Mitt Romney last time?	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#41
You really like Romney, huh, well he isn't running this time.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#60
Then who will you vote for?	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#63
Sounds like you are a fan of Mitt's, could be his fan voted for him.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#106
You and Hillary against the right to education and healthcare? We have to get that on our own?	NYC_SKP	May 2015	#46
The OP's post is very disingenuous & hypocritical to say the least. /nt	think	May 2015	#58
Mitt Romney "There are 47% of people who feel entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing!"	AgingAmerican	May 2015	#70
Oh dear.	NuclearDem	May 2015	#49
I suggest you self-delete. Hillary supporters here don't support the republican meme	cali	May 2015	#50
This is some seriously bullshit stuff	marym625	May 2015	#56
That sure does sound familiar. Damn those Cadillac Queens that support Bernie Sanders.	Autumn	May 2015	#62
hahahahahaha-nice try n/t	fredamae	May 2015	#64
For decades we have hoped for someone...	N_E_1 for Tennis	May 2015	#68
This is why WE support Bernie Sanders.	Autumn	May 2015	#74
FDR's 'Second Bill of Rights' included the right to a good education, it is not a new idea/	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#75
So.... Which one sounds like a Democrat?	LoveIsNow	May 2015	#76
Well put .	orpupilofnature57	May 2015	#79
So, do we want all these things free?	leftofcool	May 2015	#86
Education benefits us all, tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations and Wall Street benefit	Autumn	May 2015	#101
If you can get them taxed, hell I'm all for it!	leftofcool	May 2015	#113
You just need someone be willing to fight to make them pay taxes.	Autumn	May 2015	#134
20th century from FDR to sometime in the 70's...	ms liberty	May 2015	#160
Some of both.	LoveIsNow	May 2015	#141
+1	historylovr	May 2015	#154
+1	840high	May 2015	#158
+1	whatchamacallit	May 2015	#196
Spoken like a true Hillary Supporter.	Katashi_itto	May 2015	#80
I call bullshit on your edit	marym625	May 2015	#89
Yup, I think you've encapsulated the outlook of a Clinton supporter quite nicely	Scootaloo	May 2015	#104
Bernie has put a way forth to pay for free college.You could google it. hint: CNN money page	TheNutcracker	May 2015	#107
At least you're giving Sanders supporters right-wing arguments to practice on.	arcane1	May 2015	#111
Aren't you the brave poster? Nope. You post puerile flamebait	cali	May 2015	#115
Post removed	Post removed	May 2015	#117
Prove this to me and everyone else you have offended	Autumn	May 2015	#120
I asked the same question	marym625	May 2015	#156
...	99Forever	May 2015	#123
Bill O'Reilly is that you?	Cheese Sandwich	May 2015	#124
You should delete this thread . It is beyond repair.	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#128
Who paid for it in the 50s and 60s	AndreaCG	May 2015	#129
This is Right Wing flamebait at its worst.	bobjacksonk2832	May 2015	#146
Tax increases on corporations and top bracket individuals	Motown_Johnny	May 2015	#147
Who provides Bernie's free education? It is paid for by a .005% tax on high speed traders.	Vincardog	May 2015	#151
LOL, you are taking a lot of hits upaloopa but I think you have a valid observation.	ucrdem	May 2015	#152
sounds like a Republican script	INdemo	May 2015	#153
It's amazing that you've managed to not get banned within your 6k+ posts.	L0oniX	May 2015	#159
Well, this has been a most instructive thread...	ms liberty	May 2015	#161
The only way to get from your examples is teaching the social contract.	freshwest	May 2015	#163
"If you can't answer me without an insult"	hootinholler	May 2015	#173
Speaks volumes: 2307 views, 174 replies and only 5 recs for claiming that Hillary supporters are	merrily	May 2015	#175
Please think about editing post.....	daleanime	May 2015	#185
Hi, I am not sure what is happening here. Are you making this request as a host of GD?	merrily	May 2015	#186
No, just a worry wart.....	daleanime	May 2015	#189
Thank you.	merrily	May 2015	#190
Sure I could answer you without a insult.....	daleanime	May 2015	#180
Repuke Bootstraps Bullshit	whatchamacallit	May 2015	#181
Your OP reminded me of a book I read long ago...	Fumesucker	May 2015	#187
...	DanTex	May 2015	#193
Yikes. I don't think you're doing Hillary any favors with that comparison	cyberswede	May 2015	#192
Great example of use of a Red-Herring, it screams out to be bookmarked	HereSince1628	May 2015	#194
I cant wait for your next installment of RW lies about Liberals.	bunnies	May 2015	#198

Response to upaloopa (Original post)

Sat May 23, 2015, 12:30 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

1. Sounds Like A Republican Vs Liberal Perspective To These Eyes And Ears

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Hillary vs Bernie re: supporter point of view

1. Sounds Like A Republican Vs Liberal Perspective To These Eyes And Ears

5. They've morphed into them, bad memories and blurry vision .

42. They don't even try to hide it anymore

197. Absolutely agree. Back before raygun many of us got free educations and what happened there is

176. +1

2. You sound like a repuke.

9. Sound like someone who is willing to work hard to me.

18. I work hard

24. So did I until I retired

26. "And you and I both know that the rich will never be taxed for it "

36. And Bernie will not tax the rich because he won't get elected to do it...

39. He wouldn't be able to even if he got elected.

52. Defeatism: an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat

71. And you both may be right about that - but I have a hard time understanding the glee that so

81. Where do you see glee?

91. What I hear you saying is Bernie is somehow wrong about this need. But I also hear your

93. We are more in agreement that you think.

97. LOL - thanks.

127. So does the rich. Why are you afraid of taxing them?

136. And you know this how? Your posts are always a real trip. nt

44. Wall Street Dems are desperate to silence Bernie

55. How is he being "silenced"?

59. They do this by having corporate media ignore Bernie Sanders

82. Hasn't he been on tons of talk shows lately?

87. He has been on a few shows

118. Name a candidate who HAS been included in policy discussions

125. They aren't running for the Democratic nomination

142. Okay - what coverage has Hillary gotten that Bernie hasn't?

162. Are you serious?

137. Wall Street Journal doesn't like Hillary at all. No way no how. You should try reading it. nt

139. Wall Street Journal is just a newspaper

126. Oh yes, Bernie will be elected as your next President of the United States

37. And I get that

43. House will be up for election multiple times while he is President. n/t

54. Yes, and think Gerrymandering.

95. Defeatism

67. I do not see why you are all so upset about a free education. Education has and always will be an

73. No problem with a free education

85. I agree but that is hardly the fault of either Bernie or Hillary. That is our fault that we have

88. Exactly!

96. They do not have enough money for food for their children. There have always been people who did

92. If the rich won't pay taxes, we can simply expropriate their wealth. - nt

98. Rich people don't keep money where you can expropriate it.

103. I understand where you're coming from, but do note I said "expropriate their

108. No kidding! Send me to Malibu when I am ready for assisted living!

149. I'm down with this plan.

178. Sounds like an average voter

3. My over - simplistic definition

17. What has Bernie "done"

51. Your post 12:44 this post 12:39, your not reading, here

65. Again, what has he "done"

83. And NO ONE will elect Hillary because of what she's

84. So you won't vote for her if nominated?

90. No it's not, I'm saying I would hate to . And will

94. Good for you

182. Too "far left" and doesn't "do anything"? How about the Fed audit?!

188. Well Put !!!!!

57. Also this is how you tell what a person has done and is doing, the longest

148. Unless it's HRC apparently

112. And Hillary CAN?

138. Some things always come around again.

145. Absolutely

143. You provided some form of health care, right? And as I understand it you

144. I do - not now

165. I know you haven't the slightest clue as to the difference between opinion and fact

166. Agreed, look at ALL of your posts .

170. Well let's fact check me then.....

167. Her husband was president, she wasn't " Instrumental " in

169. That's just not true

177. Bingo! Why would anyone believe HRC is now a populist? DLC/Corporatist/3rdwayer is her history

183. Hillary: Nevermind that I will owe favors to every billionaire who has funded my campaign

4. beyond puerile and ridiculous.

7. +1000 !!!!

8. Roger That - Many Real Democrats See HRC For What She Is - A Patron Of The Oligarchs

20. Leaving HRC out of it; I am utterly sure that most DUers whoever they support

48. Noble Sentiment - This One Witnesses The Clinton's Activities Of Patronage For The Oligarchs

66. So you're a hit and run flamebait poster. That's contemptible

69. That Is A Contemptible Post Coming From You

32. Exactly !!!!!!!!!