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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:11 PM May 2015

Police officer uses Taser and pepper spray on a motionless, silent driver w/ medical emergency

WASHINGTON — Newly released police body camera videos show a Fredericksburg police officer use his Taser and pepper spray on a motionless, silent driver who was having a medical emergency.

That officer, Shaun Jurgens, resigned from the city police department on May 14. But in a statement to the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star, Jurgens says he did not violate any policies in the May 4 incident.

However the police department decided that Jurgens’ use of force was not in line with department policies or training.

The department is still reviewing whether the two other officers seen in the videos Cpl. Matt Deschenes and Sgt. Crystal Hill will face any departmental charges or reprimands stemming from the incident. They remain on duty, according to the department.

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http://wtop.com/virginia/2015/05/fredericksburg-police-release-video-of-taser-pepper-spray-incident/

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Police officer uses Taser and pepper spray on a motionless, silent driver w/ medical emergency (Original Post) n2doc May 2015 OP
that will teach him! how dare a citizen not respond to cops demand while unconscious Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #1
Exactly! And how dare an infant sleep in a crib in a room that's Cal Carpenter May 2015 #3
That was my thought too when I first read the report about the baby. WTF!!?? n/t SwissTony May 2015 #7
pepper sprayed for 5 sec and they let the car roll onto his foot also. uppityperson May 2015 #4
Keystone Pigs Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #17
This could be a teachable moment. Enthusiast May 2015 #13
They seem to have lost all humanity marym625 May 2015 #2
Not to mention upper brain function Demeter May 2015 #5
sounds like a good idea to me marym625 May 2015 #21
I don't think they have had that quality awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #6
I completely agree marym625 May 2015 #22
It has been rampant awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #27
absolutely marym625 May 2015 #28
We are seeing a small part of what's in store for the world tomsaiditagain May 2015 #8
Let's hope the victim sues the living shit out of the department and the individual cop OldRedneck May 2015 #9
Important info, Thanks for posting. JEB May 2015 #10
My grandmother had a Hemmorrhagic Stroke Oilwellian May 2015 #24
They'd tazer and pepper spray a dead person for failing to obey a lawful command too. L0oniX May 2015 #11
And then charge them with loitering. eggplant May 2015 #18
Most don't even KNOW they aren't supposed to punish. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #19
Dang it. We used to do a sternal rub or flick their eyelashes, (people sometimes pretend to jtuck004 May 2015 #12
True. They could have cooties. Enthusiast May 2015 #14
Having a Stroke While Black, the newest crime while being black. MohRokTah May 2015 #15
BTW, the two officers they are deciding on are as guilty as the offending officer. MohRokTah May 2015 #16
I've noticed lately that the Boys that were in Blue are mostly Boys in Black. Clothes, that is. libdem4life May 2015 #20
servin' & protectin' the hell outta that sumbitch! TheSarcastinator May 2015 #23
forgive me, i want to cover all 3 police officers with a mountian of pepper spray!! Sunlei May 2015 #25
just waiting mercuryblues May 2015 #26
Disgusting AgingAmerican May 2015 #29

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
3. Exactly! And how dare an infant sleep in a crib in a room that's
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
May 2015

about to be invaded by a SWAT team? These criminals just can't seem to get it right.

eta link for context lest someone think I've totally lost my mind : http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026708231

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
4. pepper sprayed for 5 sec and they let the car roll onto his foot also.
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:33 PM
May 2015

That'll teach him.

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. Not to mention upper brain function
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:30 PM
May 2015

Tell y9ou what...let's skip the robo-cars, and go for programmable cops. Then we just make sure the programming is non-violent.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. sounds like a good idea to me
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015

But it would be better, I think, to hire people with, and train with, humanity.

Whichever is better than what is going on now

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
6. I don't think they have had that quality
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:39 PM
May 2015

in a long time. We are just getting to see more of what has been going on for a long time.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. I completely agree
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:18 AM
May 2015

I do think that it happened slowly so we just didn't notice like we should have. That and the mentality that "criminals can't be trusted" even when obviously beaten to a pulp. Or the, "shiftless (word I won't even type) will do anything to escape justice."

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
27. It has been rampant
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:57 AM
May 2015

in their treatment of the AA community for a long time. Thanks to camera phones the rest of us are finally seeing it.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
28. absolutely
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
May 2015

No question this is far from new. But I think that the ease at which a gun us used and the attitude of so very many cops has become more cavalier, more abusive, more everything bad, as time goes on. It's like there is zero training except, pull your weapon

tomsaiditagain

(105 posts)
8. We are seeing a small part of what's in store for the world
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:52 PM
May 2015

The Corporate Police State is slowly taking over. TPP is another notch in the belt.

Bet?

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
9. Let's hope the victim sues the living shit out of the department and the individual cop
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:04 PM
May 2015

My understanding is the guy was suffering a stroke.

I'm an Advanced Life Support EMT in a rural county about 2 hours away from Fredericksburg.

Most strokes -- 93% or so -- are ischemic strokes. That is, blood flow to the brain is disrupted, usually by a blood clot in an artery supplying blood to the brain. Can be partial or complete blockage; can affect a small or large area of the brain.

Either way, there's what we call The Golden Hour.

The Golden Hour is the sixty minutes from the time the stroke hits to the time the docs in the stroke center start clearing the blockage. You need to get to a stroke center within that time. Depending on the severity of the stroke, how quickly you get to a stroke center, and how quickly they open the blockage, the effects of the stroke can be completely reversed or mostly reversed or somewhat reversed.
https://www.caring.com/questions/golden-hour-stroke

Either way, when a person suffers a stroke, there is no time to waste dicking around with a half-wit cop.

EVERYONE needs to know how to recognize a stroke because strokes don't happen only to old people.
Start here:
http://www.stroke.org/understand-stroke/recognizing-stroke



NOTE: While ischemic strokes account for around 93% of strokes, the other type of stroke is a hemorrhagic stroke caused by a burst blood vessel in the brain. Hemorrhagic strokes are bad news, often fatal within minutes.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
24. My grandmother had a Hemmorrhagic Stroke
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:36 AM
May 2015

She and my grandfather who was blind, lived in a nursing home. They found her sitting up in bed still holding a cup of coffee, and my grandfather not realizing she had passed, was chatting away with her. So sad.

I saw the OP's video last night and haven't been able to stop thinking about what this poor man went through. Not once did he ever show any aggression, and it is such an obviously clear case of white cops fearing another black man, because he's black. There needs to be a massive retraining of our police on a national scale, and the Blue Klux Klan within our police departments need to be weeded out of these positions of power over our lives.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
12. Dang it. We used to do a sternal rub or flick their eyelashes, (people sometimes pretend to
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:21 PM
May 2015

unconsciousness). Worst case, we would pop a capsule of ammonia and hold it with our hand over your nose and mouth until you realized the game was over.
It is one of many tools used in evaluating patients.

But these new protocols. Man, if I had only had a taser - far, far quicker to find out if they are really sick or not.

And you don't even have to touch them first, like they were people.


 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
15. Having a Stroke While Black, the newest crime while being black.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:30 PM
May 2015

Is it wrong that my first thought was "Thank the Gods the poor man wasn't shot in the back by the thugs in blue"?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. BTW, the two officers they are deciding on are as guilty as the offending officer.
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:47 PM
May 2015

They saw and did nothing. That makes them bad cops.

The myth of the so-called "good cop" continues to be debunked.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
20. I've noticed lately that the Boys that were in Blue are mostly Boys in Black. Clothes, that is.
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:43 PM
May 2015

Absolute barbarism. Cretins.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
23. servin' & protectin' the hell outta that sumbitch!
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:19 AM
May 2015

That man having a stroke was an immediate threat to this officer's safety.

mercuryblues

(14,521 posts)
26. just waiting
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:02 AM
May 2015

for the defense that the electric shock from the Taser is what saved his life and they should be given medals for heroism.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
29. Disgusting
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

I saw that on Raw Story last night. Beyond words. The cop was forced to resign. The other two cops should resign too. None of them had the slightest concern for the obviously distressed man. It didn't even cross their mind.

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