14 DINOs on TPA

[magical thyme]

Michael Bennet of Colorado, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Benjamin L. Cardin of Maryland, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware, Chris Coons of Delaware, Dianne Feinstein of California, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Patty Murray of Washington, Bill Nelson of Florida, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Warner of Virginia and Ron Wyden of Oregon.

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-passes-trade-promotion-authority/?dcz=

I think they need to hear from the we the people. Happy to see that my GOP senator Susan Collins voted 'nay.'

[abelenkpe]

1. Dianne Feinstein

Shameful. Wish we could replace her.

[raindaddy]

31. Her office will get a call from me...

Dianne and her contractor husband have made themselves very rich off her position. Sorry I ever voted for her!

[House of Roberts]

2. Angus King, also voted nay, didn't he?

My Alabama Senators both voted nay, and I'm pretty sure this is the first time since Howell Heflin retired that both voted on the side I favored for anything.

[magical thyme]

4. most likely, but they didn't list all the votes just those who bucked their party

He's been unhappy with TPA and TPP. He voted 'nay' earlier in the week.

[mvd]

3. Cardin, Shaheen? Wonder why them

That is disappointing. Surprised my state's Senator Casey wasn't there. After all he supported the pipeline. As for Delaware, they are run by the banks way too much.

Murray probably bought into the bad deal because she is on the west coast. Still no thinking there,

[magical thyme]

5. Shaheen betrayed earlier in the week to, when she voted to end the debate.

somebody must have gotten to her.

[fredamae]

6. Sen Vote Records

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_114_1.htm

[MohRokTah]

7. There is no such thing as a "DINO".

If we are going to throw that term around, then every Democrat who voted AGAINST TPA is a DINO because of the Democratic platform.

Read it, approval of trade agreements like TPP is mandated by the Democratic National Platform.

[JaneyVee]

8. They want our big tent party to be comprised of 3 purists.

97 Republicans, 3 purist Democrats.

[MaggieD]

43. Yep

[pipoman]

9. DINOs?....hmmm....

First sentence of the linked article, "The Senate passed President Barack Obama’s Trade Promotion Authority package Friday..."...since when are dems who vote for a dem president's bill DINOs?

[MohRokTah]

10. Especially when support of it is part of the Democratic National Platform! eom

[cascadiance]

56. That's like saying your not a sports fan if you don't support a coach doing point shaving!

Because if the coach of a football team is engaged in point shaving as it's "official policy" for that sports team, then as a fan you have to accept that and support that if you want to be viewed as a fan of that sports team, regardless of how decent a team and ethical it might have been in the past.

I call FOUL on those in this party that are CORRUPTING it by having its leadership and those who write this HIDDEN and NOT much talked platform plank if indeed there is such a plank in it.

We need to reach back to a lot of what made it a strong party before with the policies of the New Deal instead of this newer "Third Way Deal" that is being pushed on to it now.

[magical thyme]

11. since the majority of Democratic senators, are against it.

that would include the Senate minority leader.

Oh, and also because the majority of GOP and teapartiers are strongly in favor of it. That alone should give one serious pause.

[pipoman]

13. So what does that make the president?

[rpannier]

16. Wrong (IMLHO)

[cascadiance]

32. A DINO himself when it comes to this issue!

Real Democrats shouldn't be about putting in laws that would push more Americans out of work, and sacrifice our nation's sovereignty in terms of court decisions to CORPORATE run courts not accountable to us at all, and where we can't appeal to any other courts in our country their decisions.

WHY would a real democrat support such absolute CRAP! Why? They are BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

[raindaddy]

42. Well said and totally agree!

A betrayal of everything the Democratic party once stood for. If this is what it means to be a "new" Democrat then count me out!

[Art_from_Ark]

47. Let him tell you in his own words

[pampango]

54. The "majority of GOP and teapartiers are strongly in favor of it" is not true.

The majority of Democrats is the only group in favor of it. The "majority of GOP" is strongly against it and "teapartiers" are the group most strongly opposing it.

[raindaddy]

37. How about Corpracrat instead?

Corpracrat: Any politician who supports a controversial corporate wet dream trade bill that could have lasting negative ramifications on the American public. Especially when hundreds of corporate lobbyists have had access to it but it's illegal for the public's representatives to tell us what's in it...

[Thespian2]

12. I would call them, specially Bill Nelson, what they really are

Republicans...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. He's also the only Democrat that holds a statewide office in the state of Florida./NT

[merrily]

14. Wyden is a DINO? I think this is kabuki. 60 were needed for cloture. There were 62.

[LWolf]

24. I don't know about a DINO,

but he's my senator, and I know I was not at all happy with the patronizing response I got when I wrote to him about the TPP, and about fast-tracking, patting me on the head and telling me why he's right, and I'm wrong.

I know that he's more vulnerable than usual in 2016 because of it.

[merrily]

25. At least you got a response.

I almost never got one from Kerry.

[LWolf]

30. That's sad.

I'm not sure which is worse: to be ignored, or to be patronized. I am not at all willing to let a Republican take a senate seat in my state because I'm not happy with Wyden.

He's an incumbent; replacing him with a better Democrat is an uphill, long-term battle. And, even if I'm not happy with him, he's still better than a whole bunch of other elected Democrats I don't want to be stuck with.

The best I can do at the moment is to keep letting him know where I stand...and I will.

[cascadiance]

33. YEP, and I will write in Peter Defazio in the 2016 primaries if I have to as an Oregon resident!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017267150

[LWolf]

34. I love DeFazio,

and would love to have an opportunity to vote for him, but can we afford to lose him in the House?

[merrily]

36. Yes, you can afford to lose him in the House. Odds are, another progressive will replace him in the

House.

[cascadiance]

38. I think we need to pave the way for another newer progressive to get a house seat...

If we want to grow progressive influence in our government, we're going to have to help those already in it to step up the ladder when they have the right opportunities to do so. And then open up the door to build others to take over their spots so that we have more numbers. Though we certainly can continue to use a voice like DeFazio in the House, or Elizabeth Warren in the Senate as well, they shouldn't feel like they have to "stay there" to help progressives. We need to build and grow our numbers, not just "hold on" to those we have now. The Tea Party is doing that and pushing out Republican veterans like Eric Cantor. Populist Progressives should be doing the same in the Democratic Party.

I think there would be a lot of other good progressive voices that could take over DeFazio's seat in the House. Corvalis just elected a newer Dem to the State Senate (Sara Gelser) there. Perhaps she or others like her from that college town area would want to step up to take this seat.

I have to believe that his district wouldn't let someone like Art Robinson get elected there, as much as he has tried to push his distorted logic on to that district and to the state Republican Party as its chair.

[LWolf]

48. I'm energized

just thinking about it.

If we could move newer progressives into the House from districts west of the mountains, maybe we'd have a chance to shift Walden out of his seat on my side, too. Down the road, to be sure, but any ray of hope is enough to get me engaged.

[cascadiance]

51. And even Republicans have entities wanting to primary Walden too...

I was told of this in a meeting in the previous election that Club for Growth was trying to go after him...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/club-for-growth-threatens-nrcc-chairman-greg-walden-over-chained-cpi-89955.html

BTW, back in high school I used to be the next door neighbor for the president of Club for Growth who is quoted in this article (Chocola). Know some things about him like his dog then was named "Onyx" back in the days the Omen movies were out...



Let me know if you get a good Democratic candidate running there and Club for Growth tries to go after him then!

[LWolf]

58. What a bizarre world,

when conservatives are mad at him for disagreeing with the Democratic POTUS.

[hedda_foil]

50. Wyden worked some kind of deal with Hatch and Ryan (chairs of Senate and House committees)

As I recall, he got them to include a couple of his positions in the TPA in return for his vote.

[merrily]

59. Instead of just defeating it. kabuki

[hedda_foil]

60. Seven dimensional kabuki.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. I have a sad

I live in Washington, both of my Senators voted for the TPA. Yes, I have already emailed them my disapproval. We have marriage equality and legalized MJ pass here in the last couple of years, so I would say we are a socially liberal state. Why would they do this? The only thing I can think is - Microsoft, Boeing, and agriculture exports.

[MaggieD]

44. You nailed it....

That is exactly why our senators voted in favor. They are representing their constituents. Doesn't make them DINOs even though I disagree with them on this issue.

[PowerToThePeople]

46. "They are representing their constituents"

Corporations are not constituents. People are constituents. Boeing’s union busting has harmed a lot of people in this state.

[MaggieD]

49. The people that work for them are though

The industries prevalent in WA State tend to make trade agreements good for workers here. That's because the products produced are sold worldwide, and there is not much competition for them, so there is no race to the bottom on price.

[Enthusiast]

17. I think the last thing John Boehner called a no-brainer was the Iraq invasion.

The TPA is a no-brainer! Look out!

[Omaha Steve]

18. Marta and I donated to several on the list

Like they will miss $10 from us with TPP lobbyists handing out $.

[merrily]

39. On the bright side, you have exactly as many votes as does David Koch.

For now, anyway.

[heaven05]

19. if huge PROFITS

are to be gained by the corporations/bankers and it's always been profits before people in this country, then it WILL PASS. Too many hands and pockets getting filled with filthy lucre on both sides of the aisle. That's the no brainer.

[Fla Dem]

20. Really disappointed in the female senators. Many of the Pacific rim countries

consider women as chattel and worse, children treated as slave labor. The TPP does nothing to address those issues and in fact rewards those countries.

[lark]

21. I've talked tot Sen. Nelson's staff.

He's like a lot of people on this board and is backing the guy with the D behind his name who is the party's leader. What they actually said was "he's backing the president on this". All t he stuff we've been reading isn't true and he trusts the president. So sad to me how so many care more about the person that about the policy. I told him he'd made a monumental mistake, probably the biggest of his career, and would regret this move in the future and bemoan the fact that he didn't do enough to find out the real truth.

[djean111]

26. I emailed my anger and disappointment to him, but I have heard he is not going to run again.

I will NOT be voting for any other DINOs in Florida, though. Anyone who belongs to that New Democratic Coalition is, IMO, a DINO, and does not get my support.

[Dragonfli]

41. The real tell is they call themselves "the new DEMOCRAT coalition" just as Republicans would.

http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/about-me

You, as any real Democrat instinctively would call it the new Democratic coalition, I think they do that just to impress their "fiscally responsible" brethren across the aisle.

[NRaleighLiberal]

22. For the right price ($$$$$$$$$$$$), all Democrats can be DINOs. It is the sickness of money.

In my nearly 60 years, I've noticed a few things about people and life. Too much money becomes a sickness - the super rich (even the rich) think that they are free, but they are jailed by their riches...because it leads to fear - fear of losing it, having it taken. They become incredibly cheap - with everyone but themselves.

Add to that the impact of power - toxic stew, power and greed.....and it is everywhere, and easy to find.

[cascadiance]

55. I think we're seeing how now Citizen's United and McCutcheon SCOTUS decisions are making it worse!

Those decisions in effect legalized and endorsed campaign money as "free speech" instead of the BRIBERY that it really is!

We've got one big corrupt sea of bribery now, thanks to them!

[FairWinds]

23. We need to be sure that all of these DINO traitors . .

get primaried. Seriously.

And the Dem platform might include trade agreements,
but the TPP is not a trade agreement.

It is mostly about who will govern and how corporate
rights will be enforced (hint: it's not of and for us)

[djean111]

27. I looked at the Democratic Platform. Bunch of platitudes, is all it is, at this point. IMO, etc.

[GoneFishin]

28. Yes. They all need to be primaried.

[Bluenorthwest]

35. If DU had been paying attention people would have already been contacting most of them....

DU has been focused on Hillary Clinton who as a Senator actually voted against CAFTA, while many of the same posters have been lavishing praise on Wyden who actually voted for CAFTA and NAFTA.
So the 14 listed, Cantwell, Carper, Feinstein, Murray, Nelson and Wyden were 6 of just 8 Democratic yes votes on CAFTA. Cantwell, Feinstein, Murray, Nelson and Wyden all also voted for NAFTA.
I suppose it is worth noting that potential candidate Lincoln Chafee also voted yes on CAFTA but he did so as a Republican, which makes it even worse really.

Anyone who has paid attention to trade politics to any extent would have expected these people to vote as they did and should have been pressuring them to oppose it. That's not what happened.

[cascadiance]

40. I did... I called Wyden's office and mentioned I might support DeFazio in a primary...

... and I prefaced my comments as being a supporter of his stances on security agency and spying issues. But I told him that supporting the TPP in effect threw that support out the window for me. Hopefully his office will eventually get the message that even though many of us supported him strongly on some of those other issues, that this issue is a drop dead one for us!

I was bothered by his brief "alliance" with Paul Ryan on Ryan's so-called "Medicare Reform" proposal, but since he didn't persist with that effort, I gave him a pass there. But I don't give him a pass on this one. Especially when he had the power in committee to stop this mess.

[MaggieD]

45. Yep

[magical thyme]

52. I know I've written to my GOP senator, Susan Collins, as well as my indie Angus King

well in advance of any votes to let them know my objections to TPP, detailing ISDS. And my objections to TPA, which I said straight out anybody who voted for it was lazy and that we didn't hire them to the job to be rubber stamps.

I also emailed them thank you for their "nay" votes earlier in the week, and will thank them for their "nay" votes yesterday as well.

I've also already written to my dem rep, Chellie Pingree, about TPP and got an excellent response from her. I will start writing to her about TPA immediately as well. I have no doubt of her stance, but the more they hear from concerned citizens, the better.

[Buzz Clik]

53. Interesting list of DINOs.

Not unlike the Tea Partiers calling Lindsay Graham a liberal.

God, this is fun to watch.

[Hoyt]

57. Good to see that a few Democrats can wade through all the BS and do what is good for us long-term.

Plus, the TPA has a lot of goals that the TPA must meet, or Congress can revoke the "fast-track" authority. It's kind of their way to amending the deal, before it's completed.

[Romulox]

61. Oh we all know that Harry Reid gave those 13 *permission* to be the bad guys, this time. nt