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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:35 AM May 2015

WV license plate readers raise privacy concerns

Charleston Gazette

When the white Chevrolet Suburban crossed the West Virginia state line traveling west on Interstate 64, the camera mounted above the highway quickly captured images of the vehicle’s North Carolina license plate as it zipped by.

Moments later, Lt. Jeromy Dove and Patrolman Nicholas Sams, of the Lewisburg Police Department, who were working on New Year’s Day, were alerted that the SUV heading their way had been reported stolen, and they prepared to pull the vehicle over.

The stop ended with the two officers wounded in a shootout, the discovery of the bodies of a North Carolina couple hidden under a mattress in the vehicle and the arrest of Edward and Eric Campbell, a father and son from Texas, who were later charged with murder.

That dramatic police action is just one example of how law enforcement in West Virginia has used a network of dozens of automatic license plate readers — ALPRs — to catch suspected criminals, find missing persons, locate stolen vehicles and track down people with warrants.

The system consists of vehicle-mounted cameras and stationary readers mounted above roadways throughout the state that send every license plate number that passes by to a database maintained by the West Virginia State Police’s Intelligence Exchange Program.

That database records multiple images of the license plates, along with the date, time and location where they were recorded. The setup can immediately alert officers if a vehicle is on a law enforcement “hot list” or can be searched by police to see when and where a specific license plate number was recorded in the past.

However, while the advanced technology has enabled the State Police and at least 32 other agencies — according to the State Police’s 2014 Annual Report — to capture suspected criminals and find missing people or abducted children, it also has raised questions about the privacy rights of citizens whose movements can be recorded by the cameras and saved in the database history.

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Lawrence Messina, the spokesman for Military Affairs and Public Safety, said the program is nothing more than an extension of normal police practice. He suggested that the same thing could be accomplished by positioning a police officer alongside a roadway and instructing the officer to collect the license plate numbers of every vehicle that drives past.

Privacy advocates, though, argue that that type of explanation discounts the capabilities of the license plate readers, which can collect a large number of images in a short time, even as vehicles pass by at speeds and in numbers that would be a blur to the human eye and rendering the plates nearly impossible to record.

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"The majority of the citizens that are having this information collected about them are law-abiding citizens,” said Jennifer Meinig, the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia. “I think citizens in West Virginia would be shocked to know that, when they go to a rally, to church or to the grocery store, they are being tracked.”

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“Use of the system is restricted to criminal justice purposes or for the safety and well-being of individuals only, and all other purposes are prohibited,” he wrote in an email response. “Specific criteria must be established that a license plate is associated with a criminal enterprise, or with someone whose safety or welfare is in jeopardy.”

Messina said there is no need for police to seek a warrant to search a license plate in the database or to place a license plate number on the “hot list.” He said the time it would take to get a warrant would limit the program’s effectiveness, especially in the case of child abductions or missing persons, and he likened the capturing of license plate data to using a radar gun.

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The ACLU, which has investigated the issue of automatic license plate readers nationally, maintains that the mass collection of license plate data, combined with timestamps and location information, needs to be studied further, to determine its lawfulness.

Meinig cited the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court decision in United States v. Jones, in which the court ruled that the warrantless use of a tracking device on a suspected drug dealer’s vehicle constituted an unlawful search under the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.

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But unless more information is known about the license plate program and what safeguards are in place, Meinig said, it is difficult to determine if citizens’ First and Fourth amendment rights are being protected.

“Without more details about the program — including, for example, information about how long the data is kept, when and under what circumstances the information is shared with third parties and which police agencies across the state are utilizing license plate scanners — it is hard to fully know how intrusively citizens are unknowingly being surveilled,” Meinig wrote in an email explaining the ACLU’s position.

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From his understanding of the program, Messina said, there is no indication that the data was being shared with any private companies or federal agencies and that the license plate data is kept for about a year, in most cases, before it is deleted — a time frame the ACLU considers far too long.

“The government must not store data about innocent people for any lengthy period,” Meinig wrote. “Unless plate data has been flagged, retention periods should be measured in days or weeks, not months, and certainly not years.”

When asked for the names of the participating police agencies and the number of license plate readers operating in the state, Messina said that was not considered public information. He did list the 13 stationary and 49 car-mounted readers purchased through the West Virginia Intelligence Fusion Center, the state agency that cooperates with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

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It is that secretive nature of the license plate program, with the data controlled at the state level, that ended up turning citizens and city officials in Buckhannon against the technology, said Richard Edwards, the city’s mayor.

“There was no proof of what was happening with that data,” said Edwards, who took office as the issue was being debated in the City Council. “Even at the city government level, we couldn’t find out any information.”

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Napier emphasized that, when a license plate is recorded, it doesn’t provide any more personal information than the vehicle number and when and where it was detected. Still, her conceded that it could be feasible for an officer to enter, for example, a spouse’s or a significant other’s license plate number into the system — although he said that officer likely wouldn’t be around long.

“They could go search it, I guess, if they wanted to. I wouldn’t say it never happens. It’d be awful dumb, but I’ve seen dumber things,” he said. “It’s like anything else . . . you can take advantage of any powers, but in law enforcement, it would be pretty stupid to do, because you’re going to lose your job over it.”

http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20150523/GZ01/150529699/1453

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WV license plate readers raise privacy concerns (Original Post) Panich52 May 2015 OP
When did driving a vehicle down a publicly funded highly become a matter of privacy? Buzz Clik May 2015 #1
When you link the license plate number to dates and locations, it sure is. -none May 2015 #3
I'm surprised that people are just waking up to this. In_The_Wind May 2015 #5
Yup. Agschmid May 2015 #7
Combined with E-Z pass, nothing we do is private. In_The_Wind May 2015 #9
My state is going to all electronic tolling. Agschmid May 2015 #12
How is that gonna work for individuals who travel your roads from out of state? In_The_Wind May 2015 #13
They will send a bill in the mail Travis_0004 May 2015 #14
They will lose revenue. In_The_Wind May 2015 #16
Toll collectors are not always an option Travis_0004 May 2015 #18
Hell, never mind EZ pass--there's ONSTAR and cellphones. Those track your movements, too. MADem May 2015 #17
My car is too old for ONSTAR or any factory installed GPS system. In_The_Wind May 2015 #19
Indeed--and some of those Apple phones won't let you do that--the battery is in there for good! nt MADem May 2015 #23
All those cameras at intersections to catch red-light runners, do the same thing. -none May 2015 #8
Yup. In_The_Wind May 2015 #11
Oh know I am torn by this yeoman6987 May 2015 #2
It takes a while to identify a suspect in some cases. MH1 May 2015 #6
Where is the right to privacy on a public highway? leftofcool May 2015 #4
As a reasonable law abiding citizen, it is none of the government's business where I go, or how I -none May 2015 #10
Thank you. woo me with science May 2015 #21
I really wonder about those here that are OK with it. -none May 2015 #25
Seriously? cwydro May 2015 #24
It's simple, you have no expectation of privacy in public also Peregrine May 2015 #26
Your phone is a tracking device. There is no anonymity in the electronic world. Fla Dem May 2015 #15
And the US govt in the eyes of corporatists, is just like a Man in the eyes of fundamentalists. woo me with science May 2015 #20
I remember privacy. and freedom. one and the same, really reddread May 2015 #22
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. When did driving a vehicle down a publicly funded highly become a matter of privacy?
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:41 AM
May 2015

This doesn't make any sense at any level.

-none

(1,884 posts)
3. When you link the license plate number to dates and locations, it sure is.
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:48 AM
May 2015

It tells them your movements over a period of time, i.e., they are tracking you everywhere, even stalking you, if they wish.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
9. Combined with E-Z pass, nothing we do is private.
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:04 AM
May 2015

By the way, I stopped using E-Z Pass many years ago.
Not that I was doing anything wrong except giving the middle finger salute to highway and bridge cameras on days when my lack of privacy pissed me off.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
13. How is that gonna work for individuals who travel your roads from out of state?
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:12 AM
May 2015

Are we going to be prohibited from crossing toll bridges? Guess more and more permitted trucking loads will be traveling the small roads.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
16. They will lose revenue.
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

Oh wait, that's a small loss compared to the savings recovered by not paying any wages to the nonexistent (now unemployed) toll collectors.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
18. Toll collectors are not always an option
Sun May 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
May 2015

Sometimes there is not space to add lanes for toll boths, and it makes more sense to let people pass through without stopping to avoid traffic backups.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Hell, never mind EZ pass--there's ONSTAR and cellphones. Those track your movements, too.
Sun May 24, 2015, 12:39 PM
May 2015

And your SPEED. And if you have a new car that "came with" ONSTAR, even if you don't subscribe...guess what? They got your number!

http://www.wired.com/2011/09/onstar-tracks-you/

Navigation-and-emergency-services company OnStar is notifying its six million account holders that it will keep a complete accounting of the speed and location of OnStar-equipped vehicles, even for drivers who discontinue monthly service.


The horse has left the barn on this matter. Don't want to be tracked? Toss some mud on your license plate, or get one of those reflecting covers that thwart the cameras by diffusing the light, drive an old car, and don't carry a phone. Otherwise, welcome to the wonderful world of "Ah, THERE you are!"

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
19. My car is too old for ONSTAR or any factory installed GPS system.
Sun May 24, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015

As for cell phones - taking the battery out is the only way to avoid being tracked.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Indeed--and some of those Apple phones won't let you do that--the battery is in there for good! nt
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:22 PM
May 2015
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. Oh know I am torn by this
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:44 AM
May 2015

I think it works for child abductions and other high crimes but I am concerned about keeping the info for a year and was thinking 24-hours should be sufficient at most. It doesn't make sense to have it longer as a person of interest could easily be out of the state within 24 hours.

MH1

(17,573 posts)
6. It takes a while to identify a suspect in some cases.
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

I guess it depends what you think it should be used for. If just for immediate "amber alert" type things, maybe 24 hours is enough. But what if someone isn't discovered missing for a couple days? Then the data could be used to see if their car crossed a state line.

Personally I'm leaning toward not having a problem with the data collection itself, or even keeping it for awhile. The problem could come with what is done with the data. Keeping it for too long does increase the possibility that it's misused. However, if that misuse is defined as illegal, then at least their would be legal recourse in that situation.

Overall I'm not going to worry too much. But then I don't cross state lines often, and it's extremely innocuous when I do. It's hard to imagine The Establishment giving any f*cks about it.

-none

(1,884 posts)
10. As a reasonable law abiding citizen, it is none of the government's business where I go, or how I
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:04 AM
May 2015

get there.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
21. Thank you.
Sun May 24, 2015, 06:55 PM
May 2015

The odious messaging of the 24/7 propaganda machine of corporate politicians. Normalizing the surveillance state.

Predictable sliminess.

-none

(1,884 posts)
25. I really wonder about those here that are OK with it.
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:16 PM
May 2015

Do they think they are on Discussionist, or something?

Peregrine

(992 posts)
26. It's simple, you have no expectation of privacy in public also
Mon May 25, 2015, 08:45 PM
May 2015

Who owns the license plate? The state does. They can take it back when they want.

Fla Dem

(23,590 posts)
15. Your phone is a tracking device. There is no anonymity in the electronic world.
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:50 AM
May 2015

Credit cards, debit cards, phones, every time you log in to the internet, your GPS in your car, your car's other software; everything tracks your daily moves. Unless you stay in your home, make all your purchase with cash, don't use the internet, or your phones or use cable tv, your day can be forensically reconstructed.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
20. And the US govt in the eyes of corporatists, is just like a Man in the eyes of fundamentalists.
Sun May 24, 2015, 06:51 PM
May 2015


It just can't help itself, when all that info is available. It just can't be expected to show self-control.


 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
22. I remember privacy. and freedom. one and the same, really
Sun May 24, 2015, 08:21 PM
May 2015

in about forty years those ideas will be completely forgotten.
but only because we allowed it.

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