Hillary Clinton: I learned the meaning of Memorial Day from my father, Hugh

Response to Iliyah (Reply #1)

Mon May 25, 2015, 12:52 PM

yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)

2. She is so classy!

She understands Memorial Day unlike other candidates who don't.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #2)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:01 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

4. LOLLLLLL

Comedy gold.

Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:03 PM

yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)

5. Whatever.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #5)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:21 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

23. It says everything about those posters who would use Memorial Day as an opportunity to snark. nt

Response to MADem (Reply #23)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:23 PM

yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)

25. Yep.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #25)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:53 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

35. I rather doubt Senator Sanders would approve.

Which, of course, leads me to wonder why anyone purporting to support a candidate like Senator Sanders would do or say things that make people think that this candidate's supporters don't understand his perspective on the campaign process.

I think if you support a candidate, you should support that candidate--not engage in trash-talking others. Senator Sanders has SAID AS MUCH. I guess some of those who purport to support his candidacy don't want to listen to him.

And if the default mode is to trash talk others, it says a lot--none of it good--about how deep or sincere the support for the preferred candidate is.

I like Senator Sanders a lot. He's a nice guy, a kind person, with good values. I find a few--not all, but a few--of his "supporters" here on DU a bit problematic, though. I don't think he'd say ANY of the things some of these "supporters" are saying. And I put "supporters" in "scare quotes" because while I think some of them actually do support Senator Sanders, and are being swept up in a tide of partisan enthusiasm, and are following along when louder, more aggressive posters engage in bashing, rudeness, context-free association (sounds nicer than "prevarication"

, and utter bullshitting.

I think some of those "supporters" have a completely different agenda in mind, that has as a goal a Rubio or Rand in the White House. I hope the admins will look into that, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

The conduct of the Clinton bashers in this thread says so much about them. They should really listen to THEIR candidate. The fact that they don't is rather sadly telling.

Response to MADem (Reply #35)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:29 PM

sheshe2 (79,398 posts)

79. I do believe you just hit the nail on the head.

Thank you MADem.

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #79)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:00 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

83. It's kinda like what Ghandi said about Jesus....!

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Response to MADem (Reply #83)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:07 PM

sheshe2 (79,398 posts)

85. Well ain't that the truth, MADem!

Response to MADem (Reply #23)

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #4)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:35 PM

Enthusiast (50,983 posts)

45. It is. I.....

Response to Enthusiast (Reply #45)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:19 PM

yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)

52. It is.... I ?

What are you trying to say? I don't get it.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #2)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:43 PM

840high (17,196 posts)

80. Hee-hee - lol

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 12:54 PM

treestar (81,492 posts)

3. Kid picture of Hillary Clinton!

A nice message.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:20 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

6. A Lovely message.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:29 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

7. ''the many men and women who gave their lives to protect our country.''

For a stupid war you voted for
what a bunch of jingoistic crap................

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:43 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

9. Revolting, from this serial warmonger.

Serially advocating the for-profit warmongering of the MIC should have disqualified her from any consideration for the presidency on Day One. And we have not only these corrupt, bloody alliances, but an entire filthy record of Third Way policy agenda, representing the One Percent rather than the 99 percent, and dishonestly pandering to voters by claiming she supports policies she has historically opposed.

We have a grave, systemic problem in this country. It is problem of filthy corporate money buying our elections and our political candidates. Hillary Clinton is the poster candidate for this problem. Her record is that of a Third Way, corporate-purchased politician AND a neocon.

Enough lying. Enough corruption. Enough is enough.

It is the civic duty of American citizens to speak honestly about the monied corruption in our system and to advocate against purchased candidates and for actual representatives of the people. We can't afford four more years of corporate predation.

The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748

The Clinton Dynasty's Horrific Legacy: More Drug War, More Prisons
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Hillary Clinton's leading role in drafting the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

Hillary's TPP will mean a pay cut for 90 percent of American workers.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023661805

Hillary pushes for increases in H1B visas and outsourcing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6405669

Hillary Clinton and Trade Deals: That “Giant Sucking Sound”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101761

Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112772326

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

More from Hillary Clinton's State Department: The fascistic TISA (Trade in Services Agreement)
http://m.thenation.com/blog/180572-grassroots-labor-uprising-your-bank

How Hillary Clinton's State Department sold fracking to the world
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251376647

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar

Corporate Warfare: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

The Bill and Hillary Clinton Money Machine Taps Corporate Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025189257

Hillary's Privatization Plan: TISA kept more secret than the TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014829628

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Some of Hillary Clinton's statements on Social Security.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279

Hillary Clinton's GOLDMAN SACHS PROBLEM.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025049343

Ring of Fire: Hillary Clinton - The Perfect Republican Candidate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209285

How Americans Need Answers From Hillary Clinton On TPP, KXL, Wall St & More
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017181611

Hillary Clinton Left Out By Liberal Donor Club
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025809071

Why Wall Street Loves Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016106575

Hillary Clinton: Neocon-lite
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101684986

Interactive graphic of Hillary Clinton's connections to the Forbes top 400 (Follow link in post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025824981#post9

Response to woo me with science (Reply #9)

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #9)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:09 PM

sheshe2 (79,398 posts)

87. .....

Response to woo me with science (Reply #9)

Tue May 26, 2015, 12:58 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

101. I like Sanders very much... but far too many of his supporters act as petulant children...

I like Sanders very much... but far too many of his passionate and overly-emotional supporters act as petulant and peevish children pretending to be clever.

Not that you would ever waste time with pretense.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #101)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:55 PM

BainsBane (52,689 posts)

105. +1

That's putting it kindly.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #101)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:08 PM

Logical (22,457 posts)

109. Ahh, you whine a lot. nt

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:45 PM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

10. Hillary voted for WWII?

Lemme look that up...

Response to onehandle (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:49 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)

11. I don't believe she was born yet./NT

Response to onehandle (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:50 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

12. lol, exactly. And maybe they also don't remember that since a couple short

elections ago, service in the United States Military was considered a plus for a presidential hopeful, although it may have been an unspoken advantage, it was a big asset.

Response to onehandle (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:58 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

14. Memorial day is for

Memorial Day is a federal holiday in the United States for remembering the people who died while serving in the country's armed forces.
Period ............... all of them not just the civil war or ww2

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #14)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:08 PM

Iliyah (25,111 posts)

17. No shite huh, but but but its HRC's thread and let's go negative

Response to Iliyah (Reply #17)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:12 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

19. Do you have friends or acquaintances that served in Iraq and are suffering?

I do................ she doesn't

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #19)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:36 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

28. How do you pretend to even KNOW that? Do you chat on the phone, and does she tell you about

all her friends and acquaintances?

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #19)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:56 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

48. I had a cousin who died there.

I support Hillary but disagree with her decision.

Response to onehandle (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:07 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

16. And again the Third Way pretends to miss the point, feigns utter inability to understand!

Oh, my. *That* one was on a par with the posts pretending to misinterpret saying Hillary Clinton is "in bed with banks" as a salacious comment on her sexual life!

Yep, that's about the level of honesty we have come to expect from the Third Way talking points. That's the level of utter desperation and absurdity we face from those desperate to avoid an indefensible record.

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:19 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

22. You are being mocked for your inappropriate "contribution" to a Memorial Day thread.

Since you so plainly missed that point, I guess you don't have to feign any inabilities.

Anytime the phrase "Third Way" is used as a slam or insult, it can be safely inferred that the user of the term has no substantive contribution to make. Half of the people who use the term here have no idea what it means.

As for "level of honesty," whoever smelt it, dealt it.

Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:52 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

34. Oh, that one hit a nerve. The swarm has been called.

Sorry, MADem. Your nastiness here only compounds the embarrassment of the post.

Pretending that the poster said Bernie voted for WWII was an absurdly dishonest and diversionary response, typical (like the other actual example I gave) of what we've come to expect from the familiar message control crew here. That you appear on cue with ad hominem to attempt to divert from the obvious just underscores how accurate my observation was.

Here's the upshot. Here's the important lesson here:

People are sick of the game playing, the dishonesty, and the manipulation.

They've had enough of corrupt politicians who lie their way through campaigns claiming to stand for one thing but then doing exactly the opposite.

Sick of glossy campaign videos and slick ad campaigns, while craven politicians hide from voters' questions and stage carefully-crafted non-answers.

And sick of manipulative online messaging campaigns that rely on feigned stupidity and smear to divert from the corporate candidate's neocon record.

Representatives represent. Corporate politicians manipulate.

That's why we need Bernie, and why all the dispensing of manipulative corporate talking points only underscores why we need him even more.

He's honest. He's not a manipulator. He's not aligned with bloody, profiteering neocons.

And this nation is starved for honesty.

Bye bye.

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:01 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

38. Swarm my ass--you're part of the "swarm," in case you didn't notice.

Who's trashing a positive thread here? You, and a few others.

Look in your mirror--and listen to your candidate. His behavior is both honest, and HONORABLE. Yours? Not so much.

He doesn't approve of your pissy behavior. Why don't you listen to him? Could it be he's not really your candidate? There's got to be a reason that you'd associate your uncivil behavior with him, and damage his reputation by association.

But hey--I'll TAKE that "Bye bye." Even though you've dumped your trash and run off, it's preferable to having you continue to engage in pointless, childish, exactly-what-Sanders-disavows, conduct.

Response to MADem (Reply #38)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:25 PM

quickesst (6,254 posts)

54. you can tell...

....by the photo she was already plotting the takeover of america by the corporatists and warmongers.

Lot of people here, if they were any part of Bernie's official campaign wouldn't last two seconds after he heard or read the lowbrow, hate-filled shit they're spewing. Being the honorable man he is, he wouldn't want any part of it.

Not just my opinion, but a simple truth.

Response to quickesst (Reply #54)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:28 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

56. Agree with you completely. I doubt he'd have them, and

I doubt they'd survive the vetting process by his staff.

I think he's an honest and honorable guy -- he wouldn't go for Nixonian "dirty tricks" even if they're prosecuted in his name.

Response to MADem (Reply #56)

Mon May 25, 2015, 05:12 PM

quickesst (6,254 posts)

62. agree, but yet...

...they think that joking about messy hair an an opinion that he can't win is playing dirty politics. Go figure.

Response to quickesst (Reply #54)

Mon May 25, 2015, 06:47 PM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

67. +1. nt

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:16 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

51. Talking about dishonesty, you have links to Fox News and want to talk about honesty?

Or are those the really "honest" Fox News clips, since they are anti-Hillary, of course.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #51)

Mon May 25, 2015, 05:59 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

64. All Bernie supporters link to Faux Noise

Where else would they get their Hillary hit pieces?

Response to leftofcool (Reply #64)

Mon May 25, 2015, 06:58 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

69. Yes, you're right. One of the first links I picked was right from Fox--

Some of the gems: some people in the Pentagon don't like Hillary.

Who cares.

I can't imagine how important and accurate the rest of those links are.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #69)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:14 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

73. Where? Post it now.

Post the link to FOX. And see my post 72. You are shaming yourself.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #73)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:17 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

74. At least you admit you don't even know what's in your links.

You really don't know the Fox News link? It was one of the first links I clicked on since I haven't bothered with your links because they are spammed everywhere.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #74)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:19 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

76. Still lying and can't produce a link. But you succeeded in smearing and diverting.

This is standard MO now for the corporate talking points machine.

And it is exactly why people are turning to Bernie.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #76)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:13 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

88. You've smeared and diverted this thread. Obviously you don't check your own links:

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #88)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:14 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

89. Still lying. That link is from the Daily Mail.

And it's *particularly* dishonest to attempt to discredit a story that is corroborated on a recording, by lying about the source I linked to. As though the source would even matter.

The tapes are real. You can't deal with that, so you turn to this manipulative dishonesty.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #89)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:17 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

92. Well, well, I think you just got figured out. It's Bill Hemmer, Fox News

with a special "Fox News Contributor".

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

&feature=player_embedded

Response to woo me with science (Reply #89)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:22 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

93. You've just admitted you don't even know what's in your links.

At least we figured that out. All I see you do is call people liars, and you don't even know what's in your links. I guess you get more posts hidden by getting people to defend themselves from the attacks.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #89)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:55 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

94. I will believe this when you produce the list

of Pentagon officers court-martialed, broken from their rank, and either imprisoned, dishonorably discharged or suddenly "retired" for participating in what amounts to an attempted coup.

Jayzus! Do you really think it's a good thing for the military to try to usurp the President's authority? To pursue a foreign policy independentof the civilian executive branch? Do you think at all about what you post?

Response to R B Garr (Reply #88)

Mon May 25, 2015, 09:01 PM

OilemFirchen (6,943 posts)

95. He's a blue-waller.

We call him NonSense.

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #95)

Mon May 25, 2015, 09:33 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

98. Yes! Haven't heard that term before, but that's great.

I have to laugh he/she calls people "corporate posters." Even people who have been here for over 10 years and they ask a question about Bernie and they are "corporate posters." LOL.

And now it's obvious not to take the "blue wall" seriously, good observation.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #74)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:08 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

86. No, I"m calling out your lie.

That seems pretty obvious.

You can't link to the posts you pretend to gossip about with your accomplice, because you lied. You fabricated it.

That is what corporate politicians and their mouthpieces do. They lie, they smear, they divert, and they manipulate.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #86)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:15 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

91. This is truly laughable. I think your schtick is just to get posts hidden.

Bill Hemmer from Fox News, oh, with a "Fox News Contributor."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Scroll down for the link to the video, or do you even bother to check what you post. I guess the spam links work because no one bothers to look through them, so you can flood threads over and over and then call people liars.

This is just a typical bullshit Fox News story, complete with inane editorializing such as "some people at the Pentagon don't like Hillary."

And look for the graphic that references "stupid stupid facts." What a freaking waste of time. And this was only one of your links I clicked and ironically one of the first.

Response to R B Garr (Reply #51)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:13 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

72. And now you post a deliberate lie and smear attempt.

Post them now. You can't, because you are lying.

I will add that your post above is a *particularly* slimy Third Way manipulation, because it *not only* tries to smear me with a deliberate fabrication, but it also works to normalize a despicable tactic used by corporate politicians, i.e., dismissing information based on source rather than truthfulness.

That's an important tactic for corrupt propaganda states, because if you can discount information based solely on who published it, you can control information by ensuring that your "approved" sources never publish anything unflattering to you. That's why we see the predictable and ongoing attempts to smear alternative media such as The Intercept or RT when they publish information that is damning to corporate politicians.

Now, link to the links you claim I made to FOX News, or admit you are lying.

Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #72)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:24 PM

R B Garr (16,648 posts)

113. woo me with foxnews

I guess no apology for calling me a liar is forthcoming after I posted the link to Fox News and you went off on a ridiculous tangent about something something corporate something.

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:30 PM

FlatBaroque (3,160 posts)

57. CO-SIGNED n/t

Mon May 25, 2015, 05:58 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

63. And your nastiness is predictable!

Response to leftofcool (Reply #63)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:24 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

77. Why are you lying above about the links?

Could it be an attempt to smear and divert from discussion of Hillary's record?

This sort of behavior is sadly familiar, and it encapsulates the reasons people are utterly disgusted with corporate candidates and their propaganda mouthpieces.

What a sewer of dishonesty. And what a refreshing change to finally have an honest candidate who does not treat voters with such contempt.

Tue May 26, 2015, 01:02 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

102. You've supplied no pictures of war-ravaged corpses from the bombing campaign over Kosovo

You've supplied no pictures of war-ravaged corpses from the bombing campaign over Kosovo Sanders voted to approve.

No doubt, simply an oversight on your part-- rather than indicating a pattern of holding one candidate to higher standard than another... or holding some deaths more tragic than others if it supports your political desires...

"And this nation is starved for honesty. ..." Indeed.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #102)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:03 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

108. The outrage, as it often is, is so selective! nt

Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:49 PM

BainsBane (52,689 posts)

106. He even calls other Sanders supporters Third Way

I saw him do that when someone noted that Sanders wanted a positive message. He insisted that was "Third Way."

Response to BainsBane (Reply #106)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:11 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

110. I'm starting to think a lot of this stuff is "performance art." Lousy performance art, but

performance art, nonetheless.

We've got a few people scattered here and there who incite the masses, who use incendiary language, who will do anything to piss people off and tear down anyone who has a following.

Bernie has suffered the same slights and insults--but not from the Clinton supporters here. Most think he's a nice guy, a fair guy, an honorable guy, a good guy-- even if they don't think he has the personality or the leadership qualities to be POTUS. The hate and vitriol heaped upon him come from people sharing his political party, who are to the LEFT of the view the Clinton-bashers purport to embrace.

Read some of this stuff, courtesy of the Socialists--it's every bit as vitriolic as the stuff Clinton's catching. Even some of the hot-breathed exhortations sound similar. Makes me wonder if they all aren't copying one another~!

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/05/15/sand-m15.html

Ouch--nasty, right?

No way to have a debate, certainly!!

Response to MADem (Reply #110)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:20 PM

BainsBane (52,689 posts)

112. I think that piece speaks to the problem of calling oneself a socialist

while occupying political positions in a capitalist state. That is essentially a critique from the perspective than any association with the political system is selling out. I recognize it because I pretty much thought that way until 2001, when I saw that a bad president from the GOP could be disastrous.

That piece, in conjunction with the vitriol on DU, highlights why the left is so politically ineffective. We spend more time attacking each other than actually getting things done.

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:13 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

41. And even worse yet...

... is that they think they are actually being *clever* and *fooling* those "silly professional leftists."

Response to 99Forever (Reply #41)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:31 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

59. What I find most illustrative of the corporate manipulation here

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is the weird Orwellian suggestion that bringing up the candidate's *actual* record is somehow unseemly in a thread about Memorial Day.

What a bizarre replacement of the meaning of the day with a corporate, Hallmark version in which a politician can stand for murderous corporate policy, but we have to applaud mouthed, pretty slogans out of politeness, because it's a holiday.

Cute pictures of the candidate as a child. Well, that child grew up to vote for a war based in lies, that murdered how many children? That candidate was complicit in a right-wing coup in Honduras, from which countless women and children have had to flee. That candidate voted with Republicans against a humanitarian amendment to protect children from cluster bombs.

I find our propaganda state revolting. It offers, like a drumbeat, a twisted, utterly perverse version of history and human morality. Utterly sick, weird rules for accepting the intolerable as long as it comes in a shiny blue package. Corporate ownership of government and media is a cancer.

I think the infiltration happened so deliberately and gradually that people didn't even realize how sick the messaging had become. But now that we have an honest candidate in the race, they do see...

And the contrast is growing this urgency to rid ourselves of the corrupt and insist on honesty again. That War is War.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #59)

Tue May 26, 2015, 05:54 PM

BainsBane (52,689 posts)

107. Corporate manipulation

Anyone who dares to disagree with you is "corporate." Your entire approach to politics is about insulting people who don't fall in lock step. Poor people are corporate, people of color are corporate, LGBT Americans are corporate. How is it that the only ones who aren't corporate or Third Way are privileged white folk? You went so far as to defend the fucking KKK because one its former members attacking Clinton. Let's see. Third Way or Klansman. Most people that's a no-brainer, but then most people don't have complete contempt for 99.9999999 percent of Americans. Talk about oligarchs. Your imperious elitism is all about government by the few for the few. You can't even acknowledge that anyone is allowed to hold any view that diverges from you in even minor ways, including other Sanders supporters, who you likewise insult as corporate and Third Way.

You don't want to mobilize people to change the country. You simply want to place yourself and your own clique at the top.

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:44 PM

JI7 (87,929 posts)

47. squawking about third way on a thread about memorial day

Response to JI7 (Reply #47)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:30 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

58. All you can do is consider the source.

Response to JI7 (Reply #47)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:48 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

82. "On Memorial Day"

You mean the new corporate-sanitized version of Memorial Day? When it's considered rude to bring up the actual policies that CAUSE the death and despair we are remembering?

The new, weird, plastic, Third Way version of Memorial Day in which we are to applaud the empty words of politicians who VOTED for a war based on lies that slaughtered countless innocents, who VOTED AGAINST protecting children from cluster bombs, who helped ORCHESTRATE a right-wing coup in Honduras from which women and children are still fleeing?

The new corporate Memorial Day, in which being truthful about history and policy is considered unseemly, and in which we are to smile our plastic smiles and pretend that the oh-so-moving, focus group-tested words of corporate politicians are more important than their actual policies that keep the blood, and the profits, flowing.

Because the pageant is what is most important. Always.

War is Peace!

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:10 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

50. Are you refering to members as the third way?

Response to onehandle (Reply #10)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:13 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

21. and memorial day means what?

oh............. just ww2.............. wrong.

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:51 PM

cherokeeprogressive (24,853 posts)

13. Totally uncalled for. This is a day to honor those who lost their lives. Would that everyone...

could show them the same respect Hillary Clinton did.

Way to go Mrs.Clinton!

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #13)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:59 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

15. Hey I have family that did

she is jingoistic

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #13)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:10 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

18. The best way to honor the fallen

is to make sure that none of our service members will ever be asked to fight for an unjust war or one that is based on trumped up, erroneous intel.

Response to MissDeeds (Reply #18)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:56 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

36. +10000000000

Thank you.

This nation cannot afford more politicians from either party aligning with neocons.

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:29 PM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

27. Disrespect. But expected.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #27)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:08 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

39. No, the disrespect is in policies like this from corporate politicians.

The disrespect is in allying with profit-mongering neocons over human lives. Blood for profit. Wars of choice. Human death, despair, and devastation. Trade agreements that excuse human trafficking. Torture. Imprisonment of whistleblowers. Mass spying. Looting:

The Warmongering Record of Hillary Clinton "I urged him to bomb..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026219783

Hillary Clinton criticizes Obama's foreign policy 'failure'; strongly defends Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014867136

Hillary defends Israel on Gaza carpet bombing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025274041

Hillary tacks right of Obama on foreign policy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024707589

Dissecting Hillary Clinton's Neocon Talking Points - Atlantic Interview
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017209519

NYTimes notices Hillary's natural affinity toward the neocons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025205645

Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024876898

Hillary Clinton Praises George W. Bush and the Art of Compromise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026394878

Hillary Clinton's role in right-wing Honduran coup and aftermath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025601610#post29

Hillary Clinton's Horrifying Iraq War Vote Still Matters.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/hillary-clintons-iraq-war-vote-still-matters-9737

Secret recordings show US military and a Democratic congressman distrusted Hillary Clinton on Libya (lying, manipulating intelligence)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026157088

Hillary Clinton Blasts ‘Unfair’ World Reaction Over Gaza, Cites Anti-Semitism As Factor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025364869

Obama didn't go as far as Hillary now says she wanted to go in smashing Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251375376

Hand in Hand With Kissinger: A Review of Hillary Clinton’s Review
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016102317

Hillary Clinton Serves Us KISSINGER KOOL-AID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025504036

MJ - Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025493748

Enough lying and pandering. Enough corruption. Enough contempt from corporate politicians.

National Shame: 50,000 Homeless Veterans Nationwide
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017236236

Senators who voted to cut the pensions of US military veterans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024718942

2010: Obama signs bill cutting 2.2 billion from food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x309

Politicians Thank Veterans For Their Service, Then Cut Programs To Feed Them
http://nhlabornews.com/2013/11/politicians-thank-veterans-for-their-service-then-cut-programs-to-feed-them/

2013: Food Stamp Cuts: A Bipartisan Scandal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023965717

Study paints picture of aging, homeless veterans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002241657

"A nation that does not care for its war veterans has no business making new ones."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025591231

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #7)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:22 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,913 posts)

53. You read my mind - think of the lives we could've saved if Hillary & her ilk had done their due diligence & used a little common sense.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 01:34 PM

MoonRiver (36,926 posts)

8. Beautiful!

Both my parents served in WWII, so I completely relate.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:13 PM

MADem (135,425 posts)

20. What a charming picture! nt

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:22 PM

Bluenorthwest (45,319 posts)

24. My father also served in the Navy in WW2, as did one of his brothers while the others went Army

Dad would have liked Hillary's statement.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:27 PM

B Calm (28,762 posts)

26. My dad was a language translator on the front lines in Europe.

It was amazing he made it through the war alive.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:38 PM

PowerToThePeople (9,610 posts)

29. "freedom is earned by each new generation"

This generation needs to fight for freedom from war. Imo, no military conflict since WWII has been a fight for our freedom. They have been fights by tptb to enshrine fascism into the nation.

Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #29)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:01 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

37. I've seen friends rot away with pain for years because these glorious wars

Be it agent blue, agent orange, GWSD, Uranium Depleted sickness and other shit
The psychological damage to society even here, lasts for generations.... all for the bucks for the few.

You know we have TROOPS GUARDING THE LARGEST SMACK FIELDS IN THE WORLD

And we wonder why we have a smack problem.

I"ve seen vet smack addicts throw up and almost die

I think its time to realize who is playing who.

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #37)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:13 PM

KMOD (7,906 posts)

40. Today is for remembering those who died while serving.

I'm sure we all know someone who has suffered the effects of war. But today we honor those who died while serving.

Response to KMOD (Reply #40)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:25 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

44. They died all of them

smell the death

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:39 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

30. I wish the lesson had been

"Don't, for zero good reason, increase the number of people we need to memorialize"

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:40 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)

31. My old man contacted malaria and was blinded in one eye by shrapnel in the North African Campaign.

He would have liked HRC's statement.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:41 PM

jberryhill (62,444 posts)

32. Her father who?

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:52 PM

Martin Eden (12,114 posts)

33. I have to question what Hillary really "learned" about the ultimate sacrifice.

Considering her vote to send so many young Americans to be killed & maimed in Iraq for no good reason.

It's tragic enough when soldiers give their lives in a mission that actually protects their country.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:14 PM

sufrommich (22,871 posts)

42. Wonderful messege for Memorial Day. nt

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 03:23 PM

woo me with science (32,139 posts)

43. Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary.

What a cute picture of a privileged American child.

An important post from 2008:

Cluster bombs are not good for children, Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x345179

RECOMMEND THE WHOLE ARTICLE AT: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/13/7655 /

....

On September 6, 2006, a Senate bill–a simple amendment to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas–presented Senator Clinton with a timely opportunity to protect the lives of children throughout the world.

The cluster bomb is one of the most hated and heinous weapons in modern war, and its primary victims are children.

Senator Obama voted for the amendment to ban cluster bombs. Senator Clinton, however, voted with the Republicans to kill the humanitarian bill, an amendment in accord with the Geneva Conventions, which already prohibit the use of indiscriminate weapons in populated areas.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #43)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:52 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

61. and its primary victims are children.

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #61)

Mon May 25, 2015, 06:38 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

65. That's Vietnam.

What an utterly cheap and dishonest attempt to associate that picture with Hillary.

Disgusting. Did you think no one would know the difference?

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Mon May 25, 2015, 06:50 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

68. Thank you for so clearly defining the level of your argument.

Senator Sanders would be so proud of you.

Response to okasha (Reply #68)

Mon May 25, 2015, 06:58 PM

Ichingcarpenter (36,988 posts)

70. War is not your Hillary patriotic bull dump on her father's shit

I really don;'t care about Sander's shit right now after smelling death and war................you buried no one..............you knew

I did .she didn't

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #70)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:10 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

71. Wrong again. n/t

Response to okasha (Reply #68)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:27 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

78. How does one person vote to keep that!

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #78)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:14 PM

okasha (11,573 posts)

90. Someone who's okay

with that level of "communication," obviously.

Response to okasha (Reply #65)

Mon May 25, 2015, 09:05 PM

OilemFirchen (6,943 posts)

96. And it's Napalm.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #43)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:44 PM

840high (17,196 posts)

81. ....

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:08 PM

LuvLoogie (6,360 posts)

49. It's a great picture.

A lot of people are remembering their Dads today, and reflecting on the lessons they gave, examples they set.

I am sure Mr. Rodham was very proud of his daughter. I wonder if he saw her as perhaps someday achieving the Presidency. I wish her well and Godspeed in her continued work and service.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 04:25 PM

lookatme (54 posts)

55. I never knew this about Hillary

She's a class act

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 07:19 PM

99Forever (14,524 posts)

75. I look at her deeds and take her words with a truckload of salt. n/t

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 08:06 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

84. Guess those who would rather trash talk than giving it up on this day doesn't

Appreciate true patriots. This is their loss, it dies not mean most Americans know who the patriots were and what they did. I honor those who accepted the call to duty, thank you for your service. Just ignore the naughty and perhaps they still take the privilege to sound off, unexplainable.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Mon May 25, 2015, 09:14 PM

Gothmog (130,057 posts)

97. Great OP

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 10:39 AM

Skinner (63,645 posts)

99. Where is this from? (nt)

Response to Skinner (Reply #99)

Tue May 26, 2015, 12:46 PM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

100. The text is from an email I received from Hillary's campaign on Monday.

I added the photo thinking it would be nice to see her dad along with the message.

Response to onehandle (Reply #100)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:41 PM

Skinner (63,645 posts)

103. Hmm. I didn't get this email.

Response to Skinner (Reply #103)

Tue May 26, 2015, 09:53 PM

onehandle (51,122 posts)

114. 'Paid For By Hillary For America'

Email databases are not foolproof.

Also, check your junk/spam folder.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 04:52 PM

BainsBane (52,689 posts)

104. Who could imagine one little girl could grow up to kill millions

Impose oligarchy on America, and sow evil wherever she treads?

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Tue May 26, 2015, 06:17 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)

111. All I will say is that if some of you talked to each other ...

All I will say is that if some of you talked to each other in the working class Jamaica , Queen working class milieu I grew up in the way you do here you would get punched in the face.

Shame...