This place can be hysterical at times

[nadinbrzezinski]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by TexasTowelie (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Duggars, TLC, RUNN!!!!

There are serious issues with that, and have to do with sexual abuse and molestation and how we as a society treat that. But most comments have none to do with that. Nor do I expect a good discussion on sexual abuse, or how police deal with this, or the connections of money, fame and a two tier legal system.

While you are all fixated on that, and get all tied in knots over the State Department release of a certain group of emails, as part of a much larger release. you all miss in that the real nuggets, continuities from administration to administration on policies, PNAC and the global war on terror. (Free clue, it's failed, massively and the failure will be laid at the feet of the present administration by many historians in the future, never mind the roots go well to the 1990s, and in a few strains to our policy in Afghanistan under Reagan. But we are Americans and deep long thinking is not our thing)

So with that, let the alerts come and the inevitable lock. Never mind that I would like, not expect it, an actual discussion on this stuff. You know the important stuff... not navel gazing,

By the way TLC thanks you, what is the old adage in marketing? Oh yes, I don't care what you say about me, as long as you spell it right.

[Electric Monk]

1. "So with that, let the alerts come and the inevitable lock." Martyr, much?

Martyrdom is unkind to the martyr and the ones they’re relating to. It perpetuates unkindness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. It's a statement of fact

[seveneyes]

2. There Goes The Neighborhood

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. It would go if we had a neighborhood to begin with

[ret5hd]

5. So what's your position on wind power etc now?

Talk about hysterics.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. And that came from left field but expectd

since you ask

Here

I hope you do not mind the long read

By the way, referencing the unintended consequences of current wind technology we are seeing new technology under development to deal with them. You know vertical bladeless turbines. This is becuase of the EU recognition that this is a reality.

This technology should address many of the complaints, Not all. I can tell you that people who live near these facilities will continue to complain that these things are eye sores. But you cannot please everybody. By the way, the Dept. of the Interior, as early as the 1990s when we had our first developments in place, identified NIMBY as an issue but I follow this crap at the policy level, not the knee jerk level.

But nice attempt, you get a 6 out of 10, at least that is an attempt at policy. Kudos for that.

[newthinking]

6. We don't seem to mind PNAC as long as they are

doing their work while a Democratic administration is in place. By some miracle all will turn out well. Or there must be some deeper anti-strategy in the background..

Just having a democratic administration seems to have allowed PNAC to go more undercover. This is the "new and better" methodology. They are behind many of the stupidly aggressive actions throughout the world, yet because they operate more quietly under a Democratic administration many of the same people who were aware years earlier are oblivious to what is occurring.

As for being locked. That is an unfortunate "feature" of the jury system. Quite a few people use it as a way to silence *ideas* they do not agree with rather than following the intent. So if you are expressing a viewpoint that is not on the Front Page, or ahead of the curve, you have a much greater chance to be silenced. However there are many also who see through this and it is kind of a role of the die.

[malaise]

10. Good post

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. We agree

[liberal_at_heart]

14. +1

[sabrina 1]

31. Good post.

[bigtree]

7. why not just opine on those issues and let it go at that

...and get used to the fact that this is a political site in an election year, not always interested in discussing the intricacies of the administrations of dead presidents.

Also, it's quite a load of hooha to suggest people aren't interested in those subjects just because they aren't responding to your particular appeal. I've seen myriads of discussions here on every one of the subjects you listed; many of them recent posts which you can join in on if you like.

Btw, navel gazing is perfectly fine if that's where someone's head is at the time. This isn't a freaking history class, it's a discussion board.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. How about the present ones?

Or is Obama no longer president? That is news to me. Thanks. So when did the election happen?

[bigtree]

15. Is there really a dearth of posts about the present administration?

...you're either being obtuse or amazingly myopic.

Do you really believe everyone is engaged in trivialities and you are the only one interested in actual policy discussion?

This is insulting meta... talk about 'navel-gazing.'

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Try to keep up

I am talking of a certain release of Emails, and the GWOT and PNAC, and how they reveal continuity to the present and the failure of those, Will highlight this for you

(Free clue, it's failed, massively and the failure will be laid at the feet of the present administration by many historians in the future,

Look I get it, you dislike history, most Americans dislike thinking of last week, let alone last year, but these things are connected, and the seeds for a lot of this is not in the present but in the past.

I know you hate history, but this is why Americans cannot have nice things, we never learn from history

By the way, those emails are in this vastly larger collection.

http://foia.state.gov/Search/results.aspx?searchText=

And navel gazing is all people mostly do.

[cyberswede]

21. bigtree doesn't hate history - not sure why you think he does.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Should I point to the post that initiated that view?

It is just above my answer

[cyberswede]

26. I read that post. Nowhere does he suggest he hates history.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. The tone was that we shoudl not talk of dead presidents

that is history, and as far as I can tell, only one of then is dead. (Reagan) All this is pretty recent. But we should be discussing things like PNAC and their influence in the PRESENT administration, and the failure of PNAC... don't worry, I will do it, but not here. There is no interest in that.

[cwydro]

23. ...

[orpupilofnature57]

12. If your talking about NAFTA, 2008 BAIL-OUT, and the TPP, yes all

things the last three presidents did TO us For the 1% , late in their terms .

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I was specifically referring to the GWOT, but NAFTA is the same story

Kudos to you

[liberal_at_heart]

13. I understand the frustration that serious policy issues often get ignored. I get frustrated that

education gets ignored, but most of us can chew gum and walk at the same time. I have commented on the TLC threads because I don't think all of the TLC shows are bad, and that some of them help people learn tolerance and acceptance of people who are different than they are. That seems pretty important to me. Having a discussion on sexual abuse is important too. It is a conversation we should be having as well.

[orpupilofnature57]

16. + 1000 !!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. And in that you are correct the broad brush is nasty

but people are just concentrating on Josh, and not the issues with the justice system. They are widespread and if Josh Duggar was African American and not well connected it would be Josh who? Though a nice time in jail would be in his future.

[zappaman]

17. what's so amazing about those emails?

Perhaps you should post your analysis of all those "real nuggets" you keep finding in that "treasure trove" of emails.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I will but not here

this place does not appreciate that work.

You know where to go find it though.

[randome]

32. Oh, come on! If the clues are free, just keep giving us more of them!

Until we dullards ascend to your level of expertise!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Sorry I have concluded that policy is not the DU shtick

at least not GD

[demtenjeep]

33. so you gripe that no one is talking about those "treasure troves" of info

but you won't talk about it here?

[cali]

25. I don't care to engage in the Dugger discussions but why knock those who do?

And from what I've seen- admittedly not all that much- people do seem to be addressing the underlying issues.

Perhaps you don't realize how you sound in your post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I am statng my view

that the real discussion items are being missed. Yes, there is a lot to be discussed about Josh Duggar.

Child abuse
two tier justice system
Sexual abuse

And for the most part those are missing, in fact item number 2 is mostly missing.

And you know what? People hate me anyway, so what the hell? I just pointed my view that people ignore real issues and do plenty of this, and this is why we cannot have nice things in this country. People are following the media lead on this, and plenty of other issues.

[tammywammy]

29. You can start threads on the "important stuff"

And ignore the Duggar threads

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. As I stated

1.- There is no interest

2.- There are important issues with Josh that have for the most part not been addressed. You might want to read the whole thread, becuase I am not retyping. But there are policy issues here, not that for the most part you would care or you would know.

And

3.- Since I know it does not matter to people here, when I write my editorial on this, it will not run on DU. But as I told others, this inability to break and think on your own is why we cannot have nice things in this country.

I consider police and justice issues, plenty of that in this one, to be important. I have concluded that many here don't.

[tammywammy]

35. You're assuming I don't care about child abuse and injustice

What I don't understand is why you're here. You've called DU a cesspool, requested your account closed, railed against the admins, etc, but here you are to lecture the board on what's really important (well, whatever you've deemed important) and that the rest of us are just navel gazers.

[TexasTowelie]

36. Locking thread.

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