Woodward Says Dubya Didn't Lie about WMDs.

[Dirty Socialist]

On Fox News Sunday, Bob Woodward said Dubya did not lie about Iraq's WMDs. He also said Bush told CIA chief Tenet not to stretch the case for Iraqi WMDs. Woodward said Bush went ahead with the invasion because the momentum was there.

[cantbeserious]

1. Rewriting History - What Else Is A NeoCon To Do

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[99Forever]

2. Neocons and neoliberals lie as naturally as most people breath. n/t

[Dirty Socialist]

3. Lars Larson says Woodward is a liberal

He says "let the lefties try to deny it when one of the best researched on the left says it".

[BillZBubb]

5. Which just confirms what 99 said.

Woodward is as far left as Dick Cheney.

[99Forever]

11. Lars who?

Why would I care what another lying sack of shit has to say about the first lying sack of shit?

Like I said, neocons and neoliberals lie as naturally as most people breath. Let him "research" that.

[Dirty Socialist]

4. No Rebuttal?

What is the evidence against this?

[BillZBubb]

6. I think we've figured you out.

[Dirty Socialist]

7. I have some evidence against Woodward's claim

Aluminum tubes farce
Yellow cake farce

Also, the CIA warned Bush of the consequences of gong into Iraq ex. Sectarian violence) and he ignored it.

My conservative brother brought this up to me, and I have little evidence to contradict him. I was hoping someone here could do better.

[Xipe Totec]

8. We've always said he was either a liar, or brain-dead stupid. Take your pick. nt

[Dirty Socialist]

9. Stupid yes

Liar on this?

[Xipe Totec]

12. Why do you care so much about whether he lied?

What's it to you, whether he lied on purpose or he let himself be deceived?

Personally, I don't give a flip whether he lied or he was deceived.

But if he was deceived, why didn't he go after the ones who lied to him?

[NRaleighLiberal]

10. "because the momentum was there" - that is some truly sick shit.

Great logic - "I think I am going to run over that person crossing the road because the momentum is there".

Just another example of bizarro world, revisionist history, let's do it because we are too lazy to actually take time and think and do the right thing.

That may be the single worst thing I've read on the intertubes all day - but thanks for posting it - a bright light needs to be shone on steaming piles of bullshit.

[Dirty Socialist]

13. Excellent Point

"Because the momentum was there" is a bad, bad excuse. That pretty much shoots down the part of the excuse for going in there.

[okaawhatever]

20. If Bush didn't fabricate/allow his team to fabricate the information about WMDs then why wouldn't

he wait for the UN inspectors?

Also, it isn't just about the WMDs. Bush received two reports that said pretty much the same thing about an invasion:

At the time, the White House and the Pentagon were saying that U.S. troops would be greeted as liberators, democracy would be quickly established and Iraq would become a model for the Middle East. Initial post-invasion plans called for U.S. troop withdrawals to begin in summer 2003.

The classified reports, however, predicted that establishing a stable democratic government would be a long challenge because Iraq's political culture did "not foster liberalism or democracy" and there was "no concept of loyal opposition and no history of alternation of power."

They also said that competing Sunni, Shiite and Kurd factions would "encourage terrorist groups to take advantage of a volatile security environment to launch attacks within Iraq." Because of the divided Iraqi society, there was "a significant chance that domestic groups would engage in violent conflict with each other unless an occupying force prevented them from doing so."

While predicting that terrorist threats heightened by the invasion would probably decline within five years, the assessments said that lines between al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups around the world "could become blurred." U.S. occupation of Iraq "probably would boost proponents of political Islam" throughout the Muslim world and "funds for terrorist groups probably would increase as a result of Muslim outrage over U.S. actions."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052501380.html

The Bush/Cheney administration had read these two reports (which were the general concensus of all the gov't agencies involved) which said that any involvement would be lengthy, while telling Americans it would take months. I think one of the reports even mentions a time frame of between 5-10 years.

Bush Sr. had these same reports/assessments which is why he didn't go into Iraq and take out Saddam. He took a lot public flak for that decision, but I do respect that he made the right decision in the face of a disapproving public. Something Jr. didn't do if he went in because of the "momentum".

[gratuitous]

15. I went to war because the momentum was there

Wow. Just wow. On Memorial Day, too. "Sorry for your loss in that Middle East clusterfuck, which we are currently pissing away, wasting your soldier's sacrifice, but you see, the momentum was there. So when the United States sent its military to invade Iraq, we didn't have a strategic objective, we weren't defending ourselves, but we just decided that this momentum - which came from somewhere, although nobody can say precisely where (our working theory is that it was those dirty fucking hippies) - was too much to resist. By the way, we're having to cut veterans' benefits because wealthy people need more money."

Yeah, that's better than lying any day.

[rgbecker]

18. Right on, Gratuitous!

[Major Hogwash]

14. The reason Woodward went on Fake News is because . . .

. . . it's a fulltime job defending the indefensible.

<--- Woodward

[YOHABLO]

16. It really is alarming to see someone who had such an impact on bringing down Nixon ..now defend

the Bush/Cheney story. I just don't get it. Is he getting paid off for these remarks? Probably so. He sold his soul.

[Cha]

17. We all know Woodward turned into an idiot.

[hobbit709]

19. Woodward is a prime example of a sellout.