‘No Gays Allowed’ Law Set To Pass In Virginia

[KamaAina]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/13/no-gays-allowed-law-set-to-pass-in-virginia/

The state of Virginia is set to pass a law which would allow anti-LGBT business owners to bar gay people, purely on the basis of their sexuality.

The Virginia Bill states that anyone seeking or holding a business license from the state of Virginia in the state can refuse service or entry to gay people, on the grounds it “would violate the religious or moral convictions of such person with respect to same-sex “marriage” or homosexual behavior.”

This would make it lawful for LGBT people to be barred from hotels, restaurants, schools, hospitals, and any other premise where a good or service is exchanged by someone who dislikes their sexual orientation:...

The toxic bill has been spearheaded by Virginia’s virulently anti-gay lawmaker Bob Marshall. You might remember him for his fruitless effort to exclude gay people from the state’s National Guard, or his 2012 attempt to block the appointment of a judge on the grounds that the nominee was gay, saying that “sodomy is not a civil right.”

So Virginia's not for lovers?

edit: Of course McAuliffe will veto this piece of trash. Hopefully he will shred it and throw the confetti onto the House of Delegates' floor.

[ohheckyeah]

1. It's really

embarrassing to live in Virginia.

[KamaAina]

2. I'm a native of Maryland.

As, apparently, is Nelson Muntz.

[ohheckyeah]

16. LOL

That's cold.

[FSogol]

8. Don't worry, McAuliffe has been burning thru pens vetoing GOP bills.

He vetoed 6 bills live on a call-in radio show, just to piss the freepers off.

[appalachiablue]

9. It's becoming quite bad. You might remember this from a few days ago, May 21 (sorry)

Joe Morrissey, 57 year old former VA Delegate, legislator and Democrat with his 19 year old receptionist Myrna Pride and their 9 week old son Chase.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10812269


It's not some bad TV Mini Series from the '90s, it's life- jes' like way back!

Tom Jefferson was 46 and his slave Sally Hemings 14 when he seduced her in Paris. She was his wife's- Martha Wayles' half sister, the 3rd generation of Hemings concubine slave women and 3/4 white.





19th cent. Portrait of Col. John Wayles Jefferson, a grandson of Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson through their son Eston Hemings.

[appalachiablue]

12. P.S. Morrissey last year pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of contributing to the

delinquency of a minor for relations with Ms. Pride, then 17. Felonies charges were denied. It's in the DU post.

[ohheckyeah]

17. OMG

that's ridiculous.

[awoke_in_2003]

85. That is sick on so many levels. nt

[mountain grammy]

18. The haters are everywhere..

It's embarrassing to live in America.

[ohheckyeah]

19. I can't

really disagree with that. It's sad.

[mountain grammy]

21. It is sad, especially when I read a post like NanceGreggs'

and see, that in some countries, people are treated like human beings.

In case you missed it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026727625

[ohheckyeah]

22. That's a great

post. To make things worse, my deductible went from $1000 to $4000. I don''t get it. The ACA was supposed to be affordable.

[vkkv]

28. A friend, and smart, successful businessman in OR told me his health insurance went waaaaaaay down!

Signed up for ACA:

His cost went from 579.00 monthly down to less than 200 bucks!

Successful retailer, owns two houses in Bend.

[ohheckyeah]

29. The monthly premium is $332

which isn't too bad but the deductible is killing us. I'm unable to work because of a stroke, but I'm far from stupid. The deductible is in addition to the premiums, expenses not covered, and copays which means we're going over $10,000 this year. We don't have an extra $10,000. That's not affordable.

I don't live in OR I live in Virginia.

[RKP5637]

57. It is, it's epidemic, this country feeds on hatred and hostilities. n/t

[onenote]

46. I'm not embarassed given that the legislature killed the bill in committee

Which puts Virginia ahead of some other states.

[RKP5637]

56. And so sad, because it's such a beautiful state. I used to love Virginia, did a lot of hiking and

camping. I have friends there that tell me in some areas the crazies with religion have really invaded.

[dgibby]

79. Did you

ever make it to Douthat State Park? If not, I highly recommend you do. It's beautiful and only about 12 miles from where I am. It was built by the Conservation Corps and still has the original log cabins, which were built from the trees taken down to make room for the lake. Autumn is the best time to be there- we're in the mountains, so the fall colors are beautiful.

[RKP5637]

80. No, I didn't. I was usuallly on Old Rag Mountain and Priest Mountain. It sounds

beautiful. I really loved Virginia! I'm a zillion miles away now.

[Ancashina]

64. This article is from January 13 and is out of date

This Virginia General Assembly ended months ago. This bill died in the House. See legislative history here http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?151+sum+HB1414

Virginia is not about to pass this anti-gay legislation.

Virginia is no more embarrassing than any other state. Every state has its embarrassing politicians and their politics.

[Rhiannon12866]

67. The OP admitted down thread that he neglected to check the date

Welcome to DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6731360

[Agschmid]

71. Yup.

Welcome to DU.

[elleng]

3. Guess he/they missed Lawrence v. Texas,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas, wherein the United States Supreme Court, in the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidated sodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue in the 1986 case Bowers v. Hardwick, where it upheld a challenged Georgia statute and did not find a constitutional protection of sexual privacy.

Lawrence explicitly overruled Bowers, holding that it had viewed the liberty interest too narrowly. The Court held that intimate consensual sexual conduct was part of the liberty protected by substantive due process under the 14th Amendment. Lawrence invalidated similar laws throughout the United States that criminalized sodomy between consenting adults acting in private, whatever the sex of the participants.[1]

[NuclearDem]

4. Right, because it worked so well for Indiana.

[uppityperson]

5. wtf is wrong with some people? Why even try this? It will be nice when this is no longer an issue.

[RKP5637]

58. Some people thrive on persecution, prejudices and hostilities. IMO it's sexual gratification for

for them, mental masturbation.

[HockeyMom]

6. Oldie but Goodie from Marv Albert Trial

Virginia is for Lovers but only if you are straight, married, having missionary intercourse to make babies.

[rocktivity]

7. It will be vetoed? Too bad

it would have been fun to see what would have happened when a hetero who was denied service on the grounds of "looking" gay.


rocktivity

[dhol82]

50. You mean like Michelle Bachmann's husband?

[RKP5637]

59. Michelle Bachmann's husband AKA The Poster man-child for Gaydar!

[immoderate]

10. Freepers are grandstanding because they know it will be vetoed.

It prevents them getting primaried from their right, the direction that counts in a primary.

--imm

[TeamPooka]

11. They use the word gay but want to add the word black and a few others too. nt

[n2doc]

13. More Focus on the family garbage

Apparently they are the guiding force

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/2/7/wave-of-new-statebillsreligiousfreedomorlicensetodiscriminate.html

[onenote]

14. FFS -- this is a story from January that was wrong when it was published.

The bill referenced in the story was never "set to pass" -- in fact, it died in committee in late January.

See: http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/01/29/va-house-subcommittee-vetoes-conscience-clause-bill/

Which leaves me wondering why, at this point in time, the OP posted this story, rather than one about the bill being killed?


Sheesh....

[KamaAina]

15. Because he forgot to check the date on the story

[mountain grammy]

20. Thanks for the update..

that date thing is pretty important, along with a lot of other considerations. That's why I'm reluctant to post anything, and when I do run across something to post, it's already here. Great minds think alike.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. Here's a story from November that explains where this toxic thinking comes from.

Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
"The presence of American evangelicals and the LDS Church was particularly notable. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, and Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, each gave speeches, and representatives from the Heritage Foundation and the Family Research Council in Washington attended. President Henry Eyring of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ first presidency spoke and Elder Tom Perry of the LDS’s Quorum of the Twelve also joined. In the United States, this trio of faiths has worked together to stand against the government’s Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate, but it was the first time they were coming together at the Vatican to talk about marriage.
Pope Francis did not spearhead the colloquium, as many casual observers might think. It was organized and led by German Cardinal Gerhard Müller, a strong conservative voice at the Pope’s Synod on the Family last month. Müller is the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican group that sponsored the event. Still, Pope Francis gave an opening address to attendees, in which he affirmed the Church’s teaching that children have a right to a mother and a father."
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

It's a virulent strain of bigotry being carefully nurtured by a large segment of the mainstream faith community. Note the Vatican invited FRC, NOM, etc, Tony Perkins, Maggie Gallagher...
This is why this bullshit keeps coming up. Straight religious people are far too willing to dismiss it.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

25. I was wondering how that escaped my notice.

Only one person could have come up with that:

Bob Marshall Sponsors Anti-Same-Sex Marriage Conscience Clause Bill

[Dont call me Shirley]

24. Theses dominionists are like a nasty virus spreading rapidly.

[onenote]

33. Fortunately, in this case it didn't spread and the legislation died in committee

[Dont call me Shirley]

35. Thank you, good news.

They're hateful legislation needs to go down in flames of Armageddon.

[RKP5637]

60. Even more than that, it's mental illness now recognizable by the numbers. n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

75. That it is, RKP!

[rock]

26. Now just how will they know that a person is gay?

Seriously. I mean something that will stick up in a court of law of course.

[MADem]

42. THANK you!! That was my FIRST thought!! A written test? A declaration?

Will they go by the "Huummmmmmph...yew LOOOK gay!!!!!!" method?

I just don't see how they can enforce such a boneheaded and bigoted concept....

[arcane1]

47. And would the burden of proof be on the person denied service?

It's crazy all the way around. This over-emphasis on picking on gay people WILL backfire!

[MADem]

48. I'm glad it died in committee (as a DUer updating this contributed) but it's bad that it even got

proposed....! I mean, really--whassamatta wit' people???

[muntrv]

27. How will the business owners know the customers are gay? Do they have a gaydar?

[KamaAina]

36. They have the Frank Fontana Gay-O-Meter

An old episode of Murphy Brown centered around everyone at FYI speculating on whether the new guy was gay. Finally Murphy got fed up with it and yelled at Frank, "based on what? The Frank Fontana Gay-O-Meter?"

[Rhiannon12866]

39. That show was so well written that it's stood the test of time...

Loved it, too!

[KamaAina]

40. Alas, it's only rerun on the obscure REELZ channel.

Mom and Republican Stepdad get it at the Jersey Shore, but not in Manhattan! As for me in San Jose, well, fuhgeddaboutit!

[Rhiannon12866]

43. That's such a waste!

There are so many times that I can find nothing to watch on TV, despite having a hundred channels to choose from. I often find myself tuning into the old stuff, better than the tripe that passes for entertainment these days. Am I getting old?

[KamaAina]

45. You and me both.

[hrmjustin]

41. What do you mean by the normal gay?

[KansDem]

30. Okay, I have to ask these two questions again...

1) How do these business owners know that a customer is gay?
2) Does this law require employees to honor the "rights" of the business owner by refusing to serve gays even if doing so doesn't violate their own "rights"?

[Zambero]

31. Two criteria for admittance

Either one of these would get a hater-in-question into one of these these joints:

1. Patrons wearing an "I hate gays" t-shirt, cap, or a Rick Santorum for President badge
2. Footage showing them as active participants in a Westboro Baptist Church funeral protest

[valerief]

32. Half of Congress would be banned from Virginia! nt

[LynneSin]

34. Can I put a sign out there that says 'No Breeders who fondle their little sisters'?

For me I know children are safe around LGBT folks. But lately it seems like Christian Fundamentalists one could be putting their kids at risk having them near Fundies.

[MADem]

44. Only if you change "fondle" to "molest," in the interests of accuracy.

Fondle can have a benign meaning. Molest, OTOH, does not.

[peacebird]

38. Any business that wants to use such a law should be REQUiRED to post notice of intent front&center

On their door, website, and any ads. I, for one, would love to know who NOT to give my money to.

If such a law passes without that required notification by businesses, I would be forced to avoid all that post the fish symbol.....

[shenmue]

49. Arrrrrrrrh

Boo. Bad!

[RKP5637]

51. How will they be detected? Tattoos on the forehead. Fuck, I'm glad I don't live in VA. n/t

[workinclasszero]

53. Like this would be my guess...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle

[RKP5637]

55. That's what they seem to want! Hatred never dies and is born again. Same type of

people, just different times, different names, many hiding under the banner of religion.

[AuntPatsy]

52. Set to does not mean it did, did it? Horrific the hate people have for others they do not

Even know...mind numbing.

[onenote]

69. This legislation was never "set" to be enacted. It died in committee

The story was misleading.

[Adrahil]

54. Once more: the "story" is WRONG!!!!

This bill died in committee MONTHS ago.

[KamaAina]

66. No, the story is old.

Some meatball forgot to check the date.

[onenote]

68. Old and inaccurate when written

insofar as it claimed Virginia was about to pass this legislation. It was never close to happening.

[Bartlet]

61. So Bob Marshall is behind this

How long till it's uncovered that he's a closeted self hating homosexual like all the other virulent anti-gay crusaders always turn out to be.

[Ancashina]

62. This is not true...

The Virginia General Assembly ended months ago. This Bill died in the Virginia House. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?151+sum+HB1414

[niyad]

63. once again, I am going to ask, "HOW IN THE HELL CAN THEY TELL???"

is the entire lgbtq community supposed to register and wear pink triangles? what level of ugly hatred does one have to descend to in order to, not only FEEL this kind of hatred and bigotry, but proudly sponsor it into law???

[Spitfire of ATJ]

65. "So Virginia's not for lovers?"

Right after 9/11 one of the first news accounts of a Muslim being beaten to death was in Virginia.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

70. Fine, I don't want their business either.

"If" I had a business in Virginia, I would proudly hang my sigh.

[akbacchus_BC]

72. Oh no, not again! This is so disturbing!

[Cha]

73. That's sickening and stupid.. it worked out so well for Indiana and Pence. And, yes McAuliffe will

Veto.

[Initech]

74. These laws need to get challenged in SCOTUS ASAP.

They are pretty much the exact opposite of freedom.

[FSogol]

77. He didn't have to. Lawmakers killed the bill 4 MONTHS AGO.

The bill didn't even get out of Marshall's subcommittee.

Not sure why this keeps coming up?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/30/us-virginia-lawmakers-kill-bill-that-would-allow-anti-gay-discrimination/

[Heather MC]

76. I bet Bob Marshall is Gay. Me thinks he doth protest too much

[FSogol]

78. That never even became a bill. It was axed by a subcommitte on Jan 30, 2015. n/t

[treestar]

81. Why does it violate their religious views?

Where does the Bible say never to deal with gay people? Or in fact, any sinners? (as they see it). And why don't they also refuse to deal with fornicators? And adulterers? And criminals? One would think those people violated their religious standards too. Yet they don't make a big deal of that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

82. Well, actually, it's news to some, but sodomy IS a civil right.

So is cunnilingus and fellatio and masturbation and the missionary position. (All of it between consenting adults)

[allan01]

83. then you hets need to knock off your back room and nite time forays

think you hets are so perfect ? , got another thing comeing .

[NorthCarolina]

84. At a minimum I hope they are required to prominently post their LGBT ban

so that members of the gay community will know before walking into an establishment and assuming equal treatment.

[Leontius]

86. Why is a six month old story that has a deceptive, untrue headline still on the DU front page?

[KamaAina]

87. Because folks like you keep kicking it.