The crowd awaiting Bernie's arrival for his announcement is huge. I'm so glad he is finally

It's a great

argh it just died

Don't get too excited.

to you

And what truth? That his event is in Burlington? Why yes it is. beautiful town.

kickoff.

of it.

That's gotta burn.

by the way, that crowd was about 1000 folks from the campaign feed... that could be seen

It was likely far more than that, given that not all were on the screen.

For Vermont, which is a small state, that is a HUGE crowd. If that was held in my insignificant part of the country that would still be considered a large crowd.

What you are doing is making sure you turn people off from the process. I guess if people do not vote for a candidate your type wins. If they vote for your candidate, your type wins as well. This is now quite obvious You are at the very least, an attention whore.

Now I got a story to write, like we have done for other campaigns. We are not partisan, which I know is a concept that you cannot grasp.

By the way, this is the guy you remind me off at this point. Enjoy

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Did she actually support cluster bombs?

what we know of the science of partisanship... this is not out of the ordinary for extreme partisans on both sides.

It is dehumanizing, it is tribalistic, and it is dangerous. It is also neurology.

...banned yet. Not willing to hide anyone responding to her.

Hey Mags ...making all the right friends ain't cha.

barrage of personal attacks at Reporting San Diego

This editor has sent about half to the span folder. I wonder if Mary is the person I responded to? Or just one of many personas.

I will continue to delete those posts.

Though I left a few standing, mostly the personal attacks are way over the top... but might as well go back and edit them out.

I guess these guys are slow. Nope, their messages are not going to get through. Personal attacks are not allowed, period.

That's why she is so far ahead in the polls.

With Martin and Bernie. What she says in the debates and how she says it will be her sink or swim test.

I'm betting she'll put her foot in her mouth so far; she'll get athlete's tooth.

And her record does not show ambiguity on the actual issues. I'm going to assume you are talking about the TPP, which has been covered to death here.

The bottom line is that it is not wrong to wait until the final proposal is reviewed before trashing it. The US interest in the TPP is clearly about reforming trade pacts, even to the point of requiring signatories to allow workers in their countries to unionize.

Now, I have not seen any mechanism to enforce such things. So I am not a pro-TPP person.

However, I do not believe that Obama and HRC, who have always been pro-labor and trade skeptics, have done a 180 and are now out to screw unions and working people. ESPECIALLY when being a populist is the easiest road to take right now.

I just think the constant refrain to that effect is indicative of people posting here that have no clue what they are actually talking about. YMMV.

if they weren't, they'd just scroll right past these threads. but they can't, because they're scared.

They should be scared. Bernie is a candidate for the people, not corporate America.

And I will be scared for good reason. The GOP will annihilate a socialist in the general. And then you can be scared.

Until then, no, not scared. But it's okay with me if you tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.

P.S. I liked Bernie a lot more before I started reading DU.

stay out of Bernie threads. We won't miss you.

If you don't want anyone to respond except Bernie supporters. Isn't that what that group is for?

I can tell you Bernie supporters certainly do not stay out of the pro-HRC threads on GD.

Many people wanted to hear what was said, the crowd reaction etc. Until you interjected partisan politics, there was none.

In fact, this was a moment of joy both for people who are supporting Bernie Sanders and for the community of Burlington. Bernie is a very popular former mayor -- who won his first term as an extreme long shot against an incumbent 6 term Democratic mayor. By his last term, he beat a man, who had both the Democratic and Republican lines -- by a land slide.

Many people spoke of what he did as mayor of Burlington -- and it is clear that he has a very significant legacy --- and he changed the culture of the town to make it even better than it was. The people's park that we were congregating in existed because he and others argued that the waterfront should not be sold. This was an important fight and I can't really imagine Burlington without TWO very large public parks (Battery Park and Lakefront park) with fantastic lake views. - Battery park is right next to lakeside park, but as the land makes a steep climb, from Battery Park, you see the Lake unless you go to the edge and look down. Had high rises been built where Lakefront park is, Battery Park could have lost its view as well.

As to the crowd, there were people of all ages - including a healthy portion of long term residents of Burlington, who lived through the time he was mayor. There were also many college age people - even though the 3 colleges are long past the end of spring semester.
The atmosphere was friendly - like everything I have ever gone to here is. Things like an older couple getting two Ben and Jerry's to offer to a mom there with two young kids and a baby -- that absolutely made the kids' day were typical.

You should consider that this was a party -- that some attended in person and many remotely. Everyone was invited, but no one was forced to go. Do you go to party's and try to criticize others pleasure because it is not your prefered thing?

Consider that Hillary Clinton will have her announcement. She will pick the time and place and I have no intention of criticising the place -- though she will have to look pretty hard to find a nicer place than Burlington. In addition, she will have to look pretty hard to find a place where her personal actions contributed as much to what it is as Bernie did for Burlington.

Now, the reality is the party and the media are heavily behind HRC. It will be hard for anyone to be a serious challenge to her. That said, Bernie's speech recalls pure Rockwell American values. I suspect that if Bernie really does what he says with town halls and going door to door in Iowa, NH and then other states, there is a chance that his message AND HIM AS THE MESSENGER could resonate. If it does, it will be a major triumph of democracy over money.

Before I went, I liked Bernie and I have not especially liked the Clintons for years, but I was resigned to HRC being the candidate. It may be the glow of a beautiful late afternoon/ early evening, but I am now excited in what Bernie could mean the country.

Enjoy!

That's quite an impressive run you went on.

Thankfully i don't let people like you reflect on Clinton.

He's not really a Democrat. Especially given that he advertises as an (I). I support Democrats.

Was that before 2001, or before your post count was "reset" a few months ago?

If you think I'm a sock puppet contact the admins. Don't waste your time making silly accusations here.

begins and more people learn who he is and what he is about.

Not to mention, any polls on the Independent vote yet?

It's hard, but I will try. LOL!

24/7. So I think I am much classier. But thanks for your opinion.

but I'm beginning to believe that you might be what others say.

Either that or you are really scared of the possibility of Bernie winning.

And no, I haven't even made up my mind yet. Hillary was my choice back in the day...not so sure anymore.

People in an internet forum think about me. If you think I'm a sock puppet (yes, i get the PMs about that) take it up with the admins. No problem. In fact I encourage you to do that. Because I'm not.

nor did I accuse you of being a sock.

I just think you seem to be crazy about your candidate. I don't mean crazy in a good way either. I don't get your defensiveness about Hillary. It is just odd at this point in the game. No, I won't contact admins, and I don't alert...I'll just watch and see how this all comes out.

As I said, I'm still undecided in regard to Hillary and Bernie.

If people weren't doing that I would probably still just be reading here and not posting like I have for years.

The fun part will be guessing which new poster is the sock puppet

It is against the TOS to call other Democrats names on this board or to make false accusations. I would suggest deleting your post or editing it before attention is called to it.

Take it for what it's worth.

What towns are on your acceptable list?

By the way that wonderful lake front park exists because of the work of Bernie and others to claim it for the people.

You might consider Bernie COULD say he wants to do for the US what he did for his town, Burlington. I doubt Hillary and Bill would want to say they want to do for the US what they did for Arkansas. Google Tyson chicken. Bernie did not sell Burlington to big donors.

... Is not indicative of much. Let's see how he does on the campaign trail.

why Clinton supporters feel attacked here. You get that, right?

You just can't help yourself from trolling.

This is classic trolling. You just had to interject negativity with no substance in this thread. I know other Clinton supporters who if they don't want to say anything will avoid posting or if they, will say something kind and supportive.

But not you. This behavior of yours makes us Sanders supporters angry and wanting to push back against your constant bullshit. That will bleed into other threads with other Clinton supporters.

Attack the policies. Attack the positions. Debate them all you want. I certainly will with regards to Clinton. But when you post just to piss in the cheerios, then don't be surprised when you get slapped around metaphorically for it.

And other Clinton supporters, if you want to feel like you are not being attacked, then reign in your supporters like this one.

is that the word I was searching for?

I am not in the least bit surprised.

what other cold-frozen nick pops to the surface suddenly after 14 years.

Some say voting for Bernie is wasting your vote. I say not voting for Bernie is flushing your vote/country down the drain.

He detests the mass media even more than Clinton, but who else can carry the message when the mass media controls all the main information highways, and billionaires control all the financial byways?

And he'll say what he's always said, the truth. And the media will count their campaign cash and babble their bullshit, but they can't ignore him for long.

those folks who support Sanders feel compelled to make enemies of those that see him as viable candidate, of course, but are villified for daring to consider the current another most viable candidate of them all.

Say, like yours truly.

You can be FOR Hillary, but you can't be AGAINST Bernie. He's been in Congress a long time and he's a working Congressman. He knows the problems and solutions and tackles questions honestly. He doesn't take corporate money. I think this campaign will bring out a lot of truth and the media has problems with that.

Bernie and Hillary will disagree and be civil about it. On many issues, they already agree. I know I'm excited about this campaign and I haven't been able to say that for a long time.

as usual recording.

And yes, this is a very large crowd, and many ages there.

Thanks!

Now addressing income inequality

I think this is the 1007th time I have heard him tell us what the problem is. When can we expect him to start talking solutions?

I am really enjoying that with HRC.

He won't mention one word about a plan to fix these issues.

No wonder he likes and respects her.

You should log off DU and go to debate school because you aren't very good at it. Lies and smilies aren't valid debate points.

When I got back he sounded like he was ranting. I didn't hear any solutions. What did I miss?

I guess we at least have that in common.

So that makes TWO of us - so sorry for you!!

I'll celebrate. contemptible behavior. you can't get any tackier than that.

Finally put that... person on ignore.

To respond negatively to post after post has to be pushing the limits. It's really bizarre.

Bernie announced earlier in the month that he was going to run.

This is actually very common. A prominent troll gets a timeout/banned, and suddenly you start seeing posts from a new name that speaks in the same voice, using an account that was created years ago but never used for anything but rec'ing posts.

he's only been saying these things for 40 years. And, maggs, it's documented.

Parroting Hillary. You'd have to be living in lala land to buy that pile.

but honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if your shtick isn't some weird form of performance art.

that Bernie has been saying the same for all his political career. His record shows it and so does Hiilary's, a record she can't deny no matter how progressive she's trying to appear now.

know what the problems are. Never fear she will soon learn what the problems are and triangulate a solution. Either that or she has figured out if she is listening she doesn't have to talk which is one of the main reasons why she lost the primaries back in '08. She has a problem with the talking part, people don't always like what she has to say.

http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

http://correctrecord.org/the-record/

Is there something in particular you would like to know about? You can find it on either of those two sites.

Naw its all pie in the sky, rainbow pooing unicorns and everything.

Can we take out the trash, please?

I think HRC supporters and Sanders supporters alike would appreciate having this particular bag tossed out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=106348

and doing the obligatory news story...

But he is sounding like Bernie, and how the system is rigged. Also spoke of climate change as the crisis of our age.

off.

there are some mild differences from the speech, but that is kind of not unusual

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6731727

The comments after the speech were hilarious. Several Republicans talking about how they liked his message and were planning to vote for him.

stinkin' teleprompter!

He's making so much sense!

Why is that better? Are you watching it?

I think he's a recipe for defeat in 2016. Too each their own. Obviously the right would love to run against a socialist should we be unwise enough to nominate one. I don't think we will.

I stay out of pro-Hillary threads, and let her supporters enjoy them- like the Veteran's Day thread about her dad. I've never posted in those types of threads and won't do so when Hillary holds her big kick-off.

What you're doing in this thread? Tacky as it gets.

Aren't you?

an occasion, about not wanting to be like you. See photo posted to you upthread about your presence here. You are what you are. and I'm done with you. You really are... something else. Onto ignore goes thee, maggs.

And you think any criticism of HRC is bashing.

The fact that I can respond to your HRC bashing without having to hear back from you is the BEST news I have heard all day.

That was a great criticism towards President Obama, that he read off a teleprompter. And ftr, I was joking, and yes, I was watching. You need to sharpen that sense of humor, Mags!

My bad.

Buh-bye.

you're only hurting Hillary more with every post.

That poster is so relentlessly insulting that I can't help but think someone is playing political games.

Bernie Sanders embodies solid Democratic principles and is running in the Democratic primary. One would think that, even if you supported a different Democratic candidate, you would at least support ALL of the Democratic candidates -- even if you prefer a different candidate.

1. His supporters tend to spend a lot of their time bashing actual Democrats.

2. He is long on telling us what the problems are, and short on solutions. I think all the Democrats agree on what the problems are. He needs to pivot to what his solutions are to those problems.

3. If we nominate a socialist we are handing the WH to the GOP. It would be great if people could think a bit more strategically than that.

4. Bernie is not a Democrat.

However, Mrs. Clinton's supporters aren't coming across much better. Not all, but many.

Your second point is dead-on, yet I still appreciate Mr. Sanders calling attention to the problems of the middle and working classes. "We" are aware of it, but by definition the posters here are politically active and usually well-informed.

I really, really like Sanders, but at this point he probably IS a 21st century McGovern.

Finally, he's a Denocrat now

Again: I don't think hostility is going to do anyone's candidate -- or the Democratic Party as a whole -- any good. I believe that as salesmen and Democrats, we need to be bridge builders and consensus makers.

Just my two cents.

Crowd loves that Bernie voted against Iraq war and is committed to NOT being engaged in a perpetual war in the mideast.

easily 1000

Waterfront Park is a big space.

getting ready to write the story what station? So I can property attribute them

http://www.wcax.com/story/29159727/sanders-celebrates-presidential-campaign-in-vermont

the other cables were doing "Cowardly Iraqi's Afraid to Fight" STUFF.

I'll give credit that MSNBC and "Big Ed" got enough backlash from "Twitter" and other "Social Media" that they sent Ed there to cover Bernie's important Speech.

also watching the livestream so saw all of it.

CSpan is the best way to watch these events.

and media outlets linked to it. (Including us). I also posted it in full here.

I hope the coming announcements from other candidates take a hint and post the speeches as well. If they do will do the same. To me it is essential to see all of them.

is always good.

I watch all candidates, but will not be changing my mind at this point. This country is in trouble, and I see no one other than Sanders who has the right ideas to begin the long journey away from the current disastrous situation we are in.