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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed May 27, 2015, 03:55 AM May 2015

Carly Fiorina Calls Chinese People Unimaginative Idea Thieves

GOP presidential contender Carly Fiorina tells a reporter in a video that surfaced Tuesday that Americans shouldn't fear competition with China because its people lack creativity.

Fiorina, while speaking out against Common Core education standards with the Iowa politics blogger Caffeinated Thoughts in January, said the policy isn't the answer to concerns that American students are lagging behind China's.

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” said Fiorina, a former Hewlett-Packard CEO. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial. They don’t innovate. That’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”

The video was mostly unnoticed until Tuesday, when Buzzfeed shared it, along with an excerpt from Fiorina's 2015 book, Rising to the Challenge: My Leadership Journey, in which she makes similar comments about the Chinese.

Read more with video:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/carly-fiorina-china-innovate_n_7446512.html

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Carly Fiorina Calls Chinese People Unimaginative Idea Thieves (Original Post) Cali_Democrat May 2015 OP
wasn't this the same line used against the japanese JI7 May 2015 #1
With Japanese it was all that yuiyoshida May 2015 #24
Aggressively courting the Asian vote, I see? LAGC May 2015 #2
The Asian vote went for Obama in a big way in 2012 Cali_Democrat May 2015 #3
I know. It's the gift that keeps on delivering. LAGC May 2015 #4
Some people just don't understand... JHB May 2015 #5
the Asian vote for Obama was even larger than the Latino vote but for some reason this is not JI7 May 2015 #28
'Unimaginative Idea Thieves' sounds pretty blah...that the best she got? Rex May 2015 #6
She ought to be ashamed of herself JustAnotherGen May 2015 #7
If gunpowder was brains, Carly wouldn't have enough to blow her nose. bluesbassman May 2015 #8
she is saying it is a product of their education system Enrique May 2015 #9
Well, the Chinese DO have a bad scientific culture: DetlefK May 2015 #10
yes Locrian May 2015 #14
Makes sense. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #15
It's not just government. It's culture. DetlefK May 2015 #18
It's broader than the scientific culture. kiva May 2015 #22
Well they did invent gunpowder-- trumad May 2015 #11
That's dumb. DCBob May 2015 #12
While I don't like nor agree with Fiorina davidpdx May 2015 #13
When it comes to unimaginative idea thief, she's qualified as an expert one. hobbit709 May 2015 #16
Yeah, Look What She Did To HP! ProfessorGAC May 2015 #17
It is one thing to say DonCoquixote May 2015 #19
Chinese DJI drones are pioneers ... And the best mainer May 2015 #20
yet another ceo who thinks because she can run a corporation understands foriegn relations... Javaman May 2015 #21
Going for the full "1940s Era Propaganda Film" monty, I see. Arkana May 2015 #23
BAKA!! DOJI!! MANUKE!! yuiyoshida May 2015 #25
CEO Pay HassleCat May 2015 #26
If she sees the world through the lens of this stereotype aint_no_life_nowhere May 2015 #27
In the last twenty years China has reinvented its infrastructure, cities, industry... Johonny May 2015 #29

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
24. With Japanese it was all that
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:33 PM
May 2015

"cheap" junk. Things have changed. And what a lot of crap she speaks!!!

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
2. Aggressively courting the Asian vote, I see?
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:05 AM
May 2015

Do these GOP idiots really think they are going to win the presidency by continually alienating key demographics?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. The Asian vote went for Obama in a big way in 2012
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:07 AM
May 2015

The GOP's minority outreach is the greatest gift to Dems.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
4. I know. It's the gift that keeps on delivering.
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:10 AM
May 2015

You'd think some of the GOP bigwigs would have figured this out by now, especially someone as "inclusive-minded" as a CEO of a large multinational corporation.

Then again, she nearly ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground under her leadership, so she doesn't really have that much to brag about, does she?

JI7

(89,240 posts)
28. the Asian vote for Obama was even larger than the Latino vote but for some reason this is not
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:31 PM
May 2015

discussed as much. but it probably explains why you don't hear about asians as the "model minority" as much anymore.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
7. She ought to be ashamed of herself
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:51 AM
May 2015

Of all the racist drivel . . . She ought to be ashamed of herself.

She needs to go back to her corner office and do the pivot table for an ops review - she has zero people skills.

bluesbassman

(19,361 posts)
8. If gunpowder was brains, Carly wouldn't have enough to blow her nose.
Wed May 27, 2015, 04:56 AM
May 2015

My guess is that the unimaginative idea thieves who invented it won't be lending her any either.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. Well, the Chinese DO have a bad scientific culture:
Wed May 27, 2015, 06:38 AM
May 2015

I have read and heard from multiple sources that chinese scientists regard it as rude to challenge and correct someone if he's saying something wrong, e.g. at scientific conferences. Instead of saying "Wait, that can't be right..." they just leave it at that and move to the next topic.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
14. yes
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:26 AM
May 2015

Not that I agree with all she said - but there are issues with the Chinese education system and scientific culture that create issues with real innovation and creativity.

http://zhaolearning.com/whos-afraid-of-the-big-bad-dragon-why-china-has-the-best-and-worst-education-system-in-the-world/


Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Dragon? by award-winning writer Yong Zhao offers an entertaining, provocative insider’s account of the Chinese school system, revealing the secrets that make it both “the best and worst” in the world. Born and raised in China’s Sichuan province and a teacher in China for many years, Zhao has a unique perspective on Chinese culture and education. He explains in vivid detail how China turns out the world’s highest-achieving students in reading, math, and science—yet by all accounts Chinese educators, parents, and political leaders hate the system and long to send their kids to western schools. Filled with fascinating stories and compelling data, Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Dragon? offers a nuanced and sobering tour of education in China.

Learn how China is able to turn out the world’s highest achieving students in math, science, and reading
Discover why, despite these amazing test scores, Chinese parents, teachers, and political leaders are desperate to leave behind their educational system
Discover how current reforms in the U.S. parallel the classic Chinese system, and how this could help (or hurt) our students’ prospects

LuvNewcastle

(16,835 posts)
15. Makes sense.
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:36 AM
May 2015

Their government doesn't encourage speaking out about much. I'm sure that carries over and affects other aspects of their culture. Chinese people, I'm sure, have plenty of good ideas, it's just that their society doesn't encourage the type of people who are innovators to speak up about their discoveries. If your government always strikes down the nails that are sticking out, it's going to have a negative effect on those who think differently.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
18. It's not just government. It's culture.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:12 AM
May 2015

IIRC About 200 BC the first chinese emperor united the seven chinese kingdoms into one singular empire. He replaced the feuding aristocrats with an all-encompassing bureaucracy.

China has been governed by a monolithic bureaucratic empire for 2000 years now. (First the imperial bureaucracy, then the appointed local politicians of Communism.) Europe has had hundreds of wars in that time, it had massive ethnic migrations and has dozens of countries. Conflict and change are part of european culture, but China meant political stability, it meant harmony, it meant peace.

This very preference for harmony, for stability, for unity, is a pillar of chinese culture. It's not simple complacency and certainly older than the PRC.

I once had a colleague from the PRC, a proud communist. He said, he would prefer if all of the world were united into one big nation. He said, he also wouldn't mind if the official world-language were english, as long as the world were united.



The problem with the PRC is how they handle those who don't fit into the perfect picture of harmony. Strife-plagued Europe has developed tolerance as a tool to facilitate peace in the face of conflict. But China hasn't seen that wild mixture of cultural and military conflicts that Europe has been through. China has never had to make peace between factions that are anathema to each other. China has never learned to treat attacks on harmony with tolerance. It's simply not part of their culture.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
22. It's broader than the scientific culture.
Wed May 27, 2015, 12:20 PM
May 2015

Plagiarism is a huge problem with Chinese students who come to the US; I know the International Student department talks to them, instructors stress that it's unacceptable, and yet it happens far too often.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
13. While I don't like nor agree with Fiorina
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:24 AM
May 2015

She does have a point about the stealing of intellectual property by China. The way she said it made it sound like she had her foot in her mouth. Oh that's right she did.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
17. Yeah, Look What She Did To HP!
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:59 AM
May 2015

Lot's of good ideas there, huh? Spun off the best parts of the company to make "me too" laptops. Nice going.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
19. It is one thing to say
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:33 AM
May 2015

Chinese companies steal intellectual property, though in many cases, such as the Chinese "I Pad" they improve it by NOT putting in the stuff US companies do to make extra profit, such as locking your phone to anyone but whoever Apple decided to sleep with.

You can even possibly say that the Chinese GOVERNMENT does not encourage creativity.

BUT, before there was Beijing, there is, was and will be, the Chinese PEOPLE, and the folks that invented gunpowder will offer more than a few rebuttals to Ms. Fiorina, then again, why would they bother since Carly is a textbook example of American Capitalism at it's weakest.

mainer

(12,018 posts)
20. Chinese DJI drones are pioneers ... And the best
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:52 AM
May 2015

I have a few drone owners in the family, and what I keep hearing from them is, "why can't Ameican companies do what the Chinese are doing with drones?"

Best quad copters in the world, beating the pants off US drones.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
26. CEO Pay
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

This is why corporations have to pay their CEOs 600 times what the entry level employee makes. If they didn't pay the big bucks, they couldn't get talent like this.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
27. If she sees the world through the lens of this stereotype
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:56 PM
May 2015

she probably believes in several unmentionable others, too. Don't hold back, Carly. Let it all out. Keep channeling Archie Bunker, babe.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
29. In the last twenty years China has reinvented its infrastructure, cities, industry...
Wed May 27, 2015, 03:16 PM
May 2015

but in those twenty years she doesn't see any innovation. It's that kind of clear vision that lead Carly to where she is... pundit for hire.

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