The Malaysian Government is COMPLICIT in human trafficking and slavery

[cali]

The government has not cracked down, according to sources such HRW. In fact, the government which has enormous issues with corruption, has been complicit according to our own State Department review in 2014. The new review is out soon and cynic that I am, I worry that it will minimize the state of affairs.

Apologists and defenders of this shit here on DU? Disgusting and shameful. And please don't even begin with the shit about how in the past year they've taken "concrete" steps and suddenly all the corruption that enables these horrors has been cleaned up. Foul to claim that crap.


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In its 2014 survey, for instance, the State Department explicitly accused the Malaysian government of conniving with people smugglers to worsen the predicament of victims: “Victims were not allowed to leave the country pending trial proceedings. The government’s policy of forcing trafficking victims into facilities discouraged victims from bringing cases to the government’s attention or cooperating with authorities…..Some foreign embassies sheltered victims directly to expedite their repatriation and protect them from detention in Malaysian facilities during lengthy criminal proceedings. Some NGOs reported that they did not refer victims to the police, as they believed doing so was detrimental to the welfare of the victims.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2015/05/25/grisly-human-trafficking-discoveries-may-doom-obamas-troubled-trade-strategy/



http://time.com/2903416/malaysia-thailand-human-trafficking/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/27/asia/hrw-rohingya-forced-onto-migrant-boats/

[marmar]

1. K/R

[Coventina]

2. Angry K&R

[WillyT]

3. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Hoyt]

4. What's your solution, bomb them, starve them? I think Obama is taking

the right approach . China is next.

So rant and curse if you want, that doesn't help poor people in Malaysia. I'm sure Bernie Sanders is against human trafficking, but I bet he sees the wisdom in incentivizing countries to change rather than just cursing at them and hurting poor people there.

[closeupready]

5. You know what, maybe you're right. Maybe constructive engagement

can best help here, by incentivizing authorities in eliminating these practices.

Is that what you favor?

[Hoyt]

7. Seemds to beat the alternative of bombing or starving them, or doing nothing.

Malaysia asked to he part of agreement. So say you can participate BUT you have to make steady progress in correcting these problems or face the consequences.

[closeupready]

9. Interesting, because Reagan's Constructive Engagement in S. Africa

failed, where disinvestment worked. And even the Thatcher government later apologized for supporting Constructive Engagement.

[Hoyt]

11. Reagan and Thatcher failed at a lot of things.

[cali]

10. sick shit from you. predictable, dishonest and disgusting

You are what you are. And it shows.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. Nobody said anything about bombing. That is your straw man.

Malaysia isn't starving now so that's a nonexistent dichotomy.

I doubt your take the "constructive engagement" position for Apartheid, Hobby Lobby, Rush Limbaugh, Chik Fli-A or Phil Robertson. Why is it suddenly the best thing ever when it comes to the TPP?

[Hoyt]

25. Because they asked to he part of TPP, so it's a good time to make them change.

Why do you guys suddenly think Obama is promoting human trafficking?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

27. Except we were told they were changing only to learn those who made that claim are lying.

Why should we believe these claims now?

[Hoyt]

28. You don't like global trade, and are fine with the poor remaining poor in these countries.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. You must be so tired stuffing that straw man how do you have the strength left to knock it over?

Here, let's play the game with your rules --

You're so eager for global corporate profits you're willing to turn a blind eye to a government that facilitates slave labor and sex slavery.

[Hoyt]

31. Nope, willing to say they can join civilized world, but must make quick and steady improvements.

Obama is saying the same thing, and would look you right in the eye and say, "and that's the name of that tune."

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. And maybe if we advertise on the Rush Limbaugh show he'll moderate his tones as well.

Or we can start a campaign to patronize Hobby Lobby and Chik Fil-A to have them change their stances. All they need is a few more zeroes in their bank accounts and they'll see the light of day.

Right?

[Bluenorthwest]

30. So let's talk Brunei, which initiated the TPP to increase their national participation in global

trade and then initiated horrific religiously based laws openly saying they were doing so to insulate their populations from globalization. So they are basically saying they want to execute gay people to prevent their population from being influenced by the policy they themselves sought to establish. Of course the Sultan and his family are exempt from the religious laws.
So Brunei says they are becoming more oppressive because of the TPP. That alone is reason to reject the TPP.

[Hoyt]

32. If they aren't going to improve, it's one reason to remove them from the TPP. And, easy to do.

[JonLP24]

19. The US department of defense is complicit in human trafficking & slavery

Look up UCLA Law Review:Off-shoring the Army or I'll post a story right here

A U.S. Fortress Rises in Baghdad:
Asian Workers Trafficked to Build World's Largest Embassy

(trafficked to hell)


John Owens didn’t realize how different his job would be from his last 27 years in construction until he signed on with First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting in November 2005. Working as general foreman, he would be overseeing an army of workers building the largest, most expensive and heavily fortified US embassy in the world. Scheduled to open in 2007, the sprawling complex near the Tigris River will equal Vatican City in size.

Then seven months into the job, he quit.

Not one of the five different US embassy sites he had worked on around the world compared to the mess he describes. Armenia, Bulgaria, Angola, Cameroon and Cambodia all had their share of dictators, violence and economic disruption, but the companies building the embassies were always fair and professional, he says. The Kuwait-based company building the $592-million Baghdad project is the exception. Brutal and inhumane, he says “I’ve never seen a project more fucked up. Every US labor law was broken.”

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14173

If they were interested in solving or fixing problems we'd start with our own issues with countries we already do business with.

[yuiyoshida]

6. I was told this to me by a young woman from

Malaysia who saw what happened with her high school girl friends, and every time I repeated the story in Chat (not here) I was heralded with shouts of "Bullshit!" so I gave up telling her story to friends. I won't speak about it any further...I had enough.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. Please write an OP.

[yuiyoshida]

18. I will pass on that thank you

but thank you for the encouragement.

[randome]

8. Let's be honest, Malaysia is not that important to the world.

Foreign policy is still the responsibility of the President and if Obama thinks this is the right approach to dealing with human trafficking, why not give him the benefit of the doubt?

Apparently no one else has any suggestions for how to make things better because all I've heard the past few days is shrill accusations of "Obama supports slavery!"
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. So we'll put you down as pro motherfucking slavery

What on earth is wrong with you?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. Addendum: serial gang rape for years until the victim dies of STDs slavery

[randome]

23. OMG! You're trying to convince us that slavery is...BAD??

While we're at it, let's cordon off the entire Middle East until they stop treating women like property. That should help matters there.

The reflexive need to believe that Obama is an inhuman monster staggers the imagination.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. Go eat at Chik Fil-A and keep eating there until they change their views on marriage equality.

That'll show 'em!

[randome]

22. What on earth is it with your knee-jerk response?

Pro-slavery? That's uncalled for.

Hamas is complicit in the Middle East conflict. Iranian hard-liners are complicit in the nuclear weapons issue.

Do you see how that works?

Once more, foreign policy is the President's responsibility. You can call him pro-slavery or any other insult you come up with but I think he has a better grasp of foreign affairs than you or I.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[KamaAina]

16. Wrong again, kemo sabe.

They export a lot of electronics, like printers. I do, however, know a fairly influential woman here in Silicon Valley who has adopted this as her pet cause. She just might have enough juice to convince some of these companies to stop outsourcing their manufacturing there.

[JonLP24]

20. Good luck to her

This has been my pet cause for years as far as the DoD is concerned but finding people who cares is really tough.

[randome]

24. Oh. Well. Printers. Those don't come from anywhere else, do they?

Malaysia asked to be part of the TPP. That shows the government wants to step out of the darkness and they have publicly admitted and are combating the problem of human trafficking.

I don't see why it's such a big deal to see both sides of an issue. In this case, that a carrot might be more effective than doing nothing.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. Thank-you. I was assured by detractors in my thread that Malaysia was coming around. nt

[cali]

21. the evidence is in direct conflict with that claim