Bernie Sanders WANTS Clinton To PICK A SIDE

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Sen. Bernie Sanders says it's important for rival Hillary Clinton to have an opinion on a proposed trade agreement backed by President Obama.

[TheNutcracker]

1. This man is just the very best!! He must be our President!!!

[lewebley3]

4. Bernie's wrong, Hillary should not bash her boss, She is smart!

Hillary has said she is against Trade give away deals, that's enough,

The only way the Dem win, is too work as a team, not to divide Dem's.

[truebluegreen]

6. Um, President Obama is not Hillary Clinton's "boss."

And if she has said she is against Trade give away deals that is fine; how does she characterize this one?

[lewebley3]

8. Her ex boss and Friend, whom she is going to need, to make great speeches,

If Hillary were listening to people like you giving her advise, her
campaign won't last a second. Bernie can say whatever likes
it has no consequences: To win the white house takes more
than being right on the issues, it takes someone who can
play a political game well. If one cannot get elected it won't
mean a thing being right on the issues.

The people who supported Nader, voted ideology on their issues, but they
helped the GOP into power, and then nothing the Nader people wanted got
done. In fact they help the country into war, by putting Bush in!

Hillary is also going to be running on Obama record's, she can
have no better person out in the campaign trail for her than
Obama.

[truebluegreen]

10. Trotting out the Nader fallacy, again? Really?

President Obama is going against the wishes of his own party on TPP--do you seriously think his support of Hillary will be a plus with the party's base after that? Do you seriously think that Hillary supporting TPP is "playing the political game well"? Do you also think her vote for AUMF was playing the political game well? If so, that's fine but be clear on what you are supporting.

[lewebley3]

27. Just a fact, that Nader did not help Gore!!

Just a fact!

[truebluegreen]

32. One of many.

Like the 200,000 registered Democrats in Florida who crossed over and voted for Bush! Like the butterfly ballot! Like purging the voter rolls! Like the Supreme Court selecting Bush! And even like Gore only contesting the vote in selected counties, instead of all of them!


Just facts!

Got anything more responsive?

[lewebley3]

57. The only point that matters, is that Nader did not help Gore!

If Nader had come out in support of Gore, that would have helped,
and any division between liberals or Dem's damaged Gores chances.

Sorry, but Nader was part of Gore's problem's not a solution.

[The Second Stone]

62. Just a fact that you are mistaken. Nader gave Bush

both New Hampshire and Florida, either of which would have tipped the election. Just a fact that Nader intended the result.

[lewebley3]

66. If Nader, had supported Gore, made a speech in favor of Gore: That would have helped

Everything Nader did helped the GOP: He was self indulgent with the
countries future, and American kids went to war! To many liberal
thought it didn't make any difference which party controlled the white
House, they chose to be ideologue with the country

Any vote out side the two parties, helps the GOP.

[The Second Stone]

67. You speak the truth

Let's hope that we don't have a Dem split vote in 2016.

[lewebley3]

53. She has never seen it, along with most of congress!

[erronis]

19. How is BO HRC's boss? Because he's a male?

It's hard to believe that a robotic reply can contain so much crap.

[lewebley3]

25. He hired her, and she received her pay check because of of him

Also, Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party: it will
take a strong Dem party to get Hillary elected.

Bernie, is only able to run at all because the Dem's have
place on every state ballot. He had to change his party status
so he could use the money Obama, Clinton's, and other Dem's
have raised.

[lewebley3]

58. Obama is the leader of Dem party: He is the Head of the DNC

There is nothing robotic about being a loyal Dem, Hillary has worked
in and for the Dem party all along.

To get elected it takes Dem party team work: Hillary will be well served
to work with Obama and other Dem's in getting elected.

[MannyGoldstein]

33. She had no problem trashing Obama's foreign policy

In a magazine interview.

She can give an opinion on screwing the 99%, too.

[lewebley3]

55. She did not trash Obama foreign policy:

and what she did say got her called to white house for a discussion.

Hillary has never given a opinion about " screwing the 99%", those
are your words.

[frylock]

39. Clinton has already "bashed" her "boss"

Hillary Clinton criticizes President Obama’s foreign policy in interview with the Atlantic

Clinton Criticizes The Obama Economy, ‘Surprised to See’ Small Businesses ‘Have Stalled Out’

[Doctor_J]

2. "Equal Pay For Women" will be as bold as Clinton gets

She'll triangulate her way through.

[djean111]

7. Yep. Exactly.

[Populist_Prole]

16. I think so too

It's strong enough to irritate republicans and sound populistic to the GOPs enemies, but it's weak enough not to upset the PTB's apple cart that favors lower pay for everybody.

[A Simple Game]

22. She did say equal pay not raise their pay. I think you hit on their way to equalize the pay. n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

43. And TPP will be Great Equalizer

[woo me with science]

63. +100000

[erronis]

20. It's funny, that word "triangulate"

It really only deals with a two-dimensional space such as figuring out where C is given the coordinates of A and B.

Politics and most human interactions deal with tens, or probably thousands of points. Triangulation among all of these, especially when they can change over time is a particularly bad strategy.

Pick your position, broadcast it, stand by it. Let other people, if they like where you are standing come to you.

[840high]

37. She needs to pay her female

staff as much as her male staff.

[BrotherIvan]

45. No no no, she is a civil rights warrior!

She said so in her kickoff speech where Bernie Sanders only talked about economic policy. She has solutions for all the struggles of people of color, gays and women. DU has spoken!! Her speech will go down in history as...oh wait...

[FlatBaroque]

3. Give her time, Bernie

the battery in her political calculator died.

[truebluegreen]

5. So do I.

[rock]

9. I feel I must criticize Bernie (just a bit)

Keep in mind that I'm openly supporting both Bernie and Hillary. Now Bernie says he does not do negative criticism and I strongly agree with that attitude. And in fact for this case it is neither negative nor personal. But it is the wrong opinion. Hillary is not in office. She will have no vote on the trade bill. By the rime she is president (or Bernie is) it will be all over. Now it's just not practical that on the campaign trail that she can invest great amounts of time on every issue. In fact, I wonder how she can obtain the details (while not in office) so that she could make an educated decision. This in my opinion is definitely a tic mark against Bernie (though obviously not a big enough one to be a decider). Finally to echo the sentiment expressed by lewebley3 above: it's not nice to slam the your (ex-) boss who happens to be the current president if you are running for his office!

[truebluegreen]

11. Disagree.

Support for corporations who wrote the agreement is a big issue, whether or not TPP has been passed by the time either one becomes president.

[rock]

14. If you don't like the question, answer another

Bernie did not explicitly nor implicitly mention the corporations who wrote the agreement as being the issue. The issue he talked about was do we or do we not pass the TPP?

[truebluegreen]

21. Yes.....and why does he object to it?

[99Forever]

29. What utter hogwash.

I know exactly where Senator Sanders stands on all aspects of thris raping of America's workers and America's sovereignty, because he has made it quite clear in PUBLIC STATEMENTS.

Hillary Goldman Sachs MIC Clinton has yet to do anything close to making her position anything better than indecipherable and uncommitted to anything. The same old SOP we've come expect from triangulating neoliberals.

[Orsino]

15. Sec. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP.

Not lately, of course, so I won't insist on her taking a side immediately.

There is no excuse, however, for her not presenting us with her make-or-break wish list. If it's not yet quite clear to everyone just what the TPP will contain, Clinton knows by now where she stands on every possible aspect. Let's hear it, please, and soon.

[cali]

24. that's just bizarre. She is running for the highest office. She has an oblgation to

let voters know where she stands on important issues. Furthermore, she's very familiar with the TPP and by the time she left office it was in late draft stage.

And there is more than enough information extant to come to a conclusion on the TPP.

[BrotherIvan]

46. +1

Now we're supposed to think it's ok for a politician running for the highest office to dodge issues that will effect millions of Americans? Really??

[Cali_Democrat]

30. A very well-reasoned post

But you have to understand that TPP is the biggest issue for some people, even trumping gay rights and incarceration of minorities.

[bklyncowgirl]

38. The potential loss of jobs and sovereignty from the TPP will affect everyone.

I'm finding it difficult understanding how opposing TPP trumps gay rights and incarceration of minorities.

It is a very big issue. For some people, I'm one of them, the decline of the middle class and the increasing marginalization of the poor is the most important issue. There's nothing wrong with that. There's also nothing wrong about people for who are passionate about Gay rights, racial justice, women's rights or global warming.

Seriously, can't we walk and chew gum at the same time?

[davidpdx]

52. No either you support the TPP or gay rights?

The TPP or health care
The TPP or education
The TPP or incarcerated minorities


Why can't we walk and chew gum at the same time? What a ridiculous question?

[BrotherIvan]

47. Because people of color don't need jobs!

Who ever thought that?

[seabeyond]

12. i got it, i am telling you. firstly, was fun listening to sanders. secondly, that white university

male student was pretty damn awesome

this is what i am saying.

i cant help it. i see, i find interesting, i discuss.

cool. thanks for sharing. i do like hearing sanders out there.

[Orsino]

13. Well, he wants everyone to see that she hasn't yet.

He should be able to make considerable political hay if she doesn't.

But it's early yet, I guess, and if there are nuances I hope Clinton will elaborate.

[Populist_Prole]

17. Oh yeah! Bring on the wedge!

Not the sandwich, the issue.

[whathehell]

18. You think the TPP is a wedge issue?

Funniest thing I've read all day.

[Populist_Prole]

42. Yes.

A wedge between corporatist/Third-way democrats and populist democrats.

If you don't realize it; then it's because maybe you don't want to. You tell me then. Why isn't it one?

Back at you.....

[whathehell]

60. Got it..

I think I misunderstood -- Thought you meant it as "unimportant".

[Egnever]

23. she can't read it.

He knows that. Yay for bullshit posturing!

Guess he is a politician just like all the rest.

[cali]

26. cute but false. HRC is quite familiar with the TPP and wholeheartedly endorsed it in her

recent book.

[Egnever]

31. Sorry that doesn't work

It is not static it is an ongoing negotiation she has been out of office for a while now and she has already stated her general wishes for the TPP as you said yourself in her book.

And if as you say she has already stated her support then WTF is Bernie talking about?

Guess he isn't as smart as you and doesn't know she has already covered this .

Or ....

He is playing politics.

[cali]

34. so why did she endorse it CLEARLY in her book?

and it wasn't about her "wishes". that's utterly laughable.

She's backtracked and waffled- as she does on so many issues. Finger in the wind Hillary. That's what Sanders is referring to.

Hillary does nothing but play politics.... and "evolve".

It appears that you know very little about the TPP- and yes, there's a good deal of information extant.

[Egnever]

41. Nice but has absolutely nothing to do with Bernie

Who is clearly playing politics like everyone else.

[BrotherIvan]

48. LOL

She called the TPP "the gold standard for trade agreements." Yes, really.

[Egnever]

64. Then she already picked a side didn't she?

So what's he going on about?

[BrotherIvan]

65. lol wut?

[upaloopa]

28. Bernie people have their teeth in this like

a junk yard dog. As soon as Bernie runs out of $10 contributions they will let Hillary run her campaign as it should be.

[cali]

35. I've been posting about this for years, dear.

I won't be letting it go for HRC. And I'll do all I can to see that HRC doesn't get the nomination. She is simply not to be trusted on issue after issue. And she's far too willing to compromise herself to get elected. I won't soon forget the campaign she ran in 2008.

If you think Progressives will back off from criticizing Hillary's record and rhetoric, hon, you are going to be one very disappointed loopa.

[upaloopa]

36. There is nothing you can do to prevent her getting

the nomination.
She is supported by a majority of Dems
I read your stuff everyday and you are living in your own mind not reality

[frylock]

40. in other words: inevitable

[Art_from_Ark]

44. In other words: anointed

[frylock]

56. IT'S HER TURN!!!

something that I actually read on this site. smdh.

[BrotherIvan]

49. As it should be?

You mean never stating her position or sharing it with the voters?

[BrotherIvan]

50. This thread is eye opening

It's like those late night comedy shows where they stop people on the street and ask them to name the three branches of government. A train wreck.

[Thinkingabout]

51. Sanders is entitled to his opinion and since Sandershas access to information

On TPP he can give his opinion. He has a record of voting against trade agreements in the past. Hillary has stated she will make her opinion AFTER the FINAL AGREEMENT is given. I don't read where Sanders has given his stand on ALL issues so he needs to run his campaign without giving stands on all issues and his opponents should be given the same consideration. There has been lots of posts in the last day or so and it has gone overboard because a serious problem was not addressed in Sanders announcement. It is time to cease the demanding of ANY candidate give their stand on all of the issues. Back off with this, the campaigns are just beginning, I just hope this is not going to be a campaign norm.

[Sancho]

54. On NPR a couple weeks ago it was reported Hillary would not criticize Obama's TPP...

they reported that Hillary and Obama met and agreed she would not go after his initiatives and he would not go after her campaign to both their benefits.

I heard the interview in the car on the radio, so I don't have a link - likely it was the "On Point" show.

At any rate, it makes sense.

[yuiyoshida]

59. K&R

[philosslayer]

61. Has the negative campaigning started already?

Perhaps Senator Sanders need to spend more time explaining HIS record, and building HIS numbers, instead of trying to tear Secretary Clinton's down.