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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:07 AM May 2015

A bunch of white people,....

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by cbayer (a host of the General Discussion forum).

supporting two white people, yelling about who is racist, who isn't, and who just doesn't care about minorities. If the black community were reading du, which for the most part I don't think they have much representation here, I hope they would just laugh at us.

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A bunch of white people,.... (Original Post) NCTraveler May 2015 OP
What makes you think they don't care about minorities? nt el_bryanto May 2015 #1
Where did I say that in my post? NCTraveler May 2015 #3
You imply that it's "laughable", so you whathehell May 2015 #5
"them" NCTraveler May 2015 #13
Who is "them"?... The white people you find laughable for accusing each other of racism. whathehell May 2015 #14
Trying to come up with a response. NCTraveler May 2015 #17
I simply responded to the question you asked me. whathehell May 2015 #20
ok. NCTraveler May 2015 #21
+1 - You didn't JustAnotherGen May 2015 #10
And how "are" things? whathehell May 2015 #15
It's funny as hell! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #22
IMO, both groups need to listen on this issue instead of talking over one and other. NCTraveler May 2015 #28
Take a peek JustAnotherGen May 2015 #30
Interesting.. whathehell May 2015 #33
Historically JustAnotherGen May 2015 #35
This place is cray cray. Hiraeth May 2015 #2
Both candidates support the concerns of the black community. JaneyVee May 2015 #4
I agree. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #7
Agreed. n/t whathehell May 2015 #8
Yep. nt cyberswede May 2015 #9
I have to agree with that (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #16
You ought to take a peek in the AA Group NC JustAnotherGen May 2015 #6
I will stop by and read. Thank you for the sugguestion. NCTraveler May 2015 #12
Hillarious.. whathehell May 2015 #23
What in the world are you talking about? NCTraveler May 2015 #25
Oh My...Looks like were we doing a little Wiflful Misunderstanding now whathehell May 2015 #31
I have no clue as to the point you are trying to make. NCTraveler May 2015 #32
Um, like I said, I answered your question..I didn't have a point to make whathehell May 2015 #34
. snooper2 May 2015 #26
Thank you Solly Mack May 2015 #11
Seems to me that this is an area of general agreement. JEB May 2015 #18
+1 NCTraveler May 2015 #19
Seems no one is immune from being painted a racist these days B2G May 2015 #24
The academics who made the label more ambiguous should be ashamed of themselves. peecoolyour May 2015 #36
I suspect some would be upset about being turned into a political football or a play thing... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #27
I just mentioned the football aspect in another post of mine. NCTraveler May 2015 #29
Locking cbayer May 2015 #37

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. What makes you think they don't care about minorities? nt
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:08 AM
May 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
3. Where did I say that in my post?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:14 AM
May 2015

I never said I don't think they care about minorities.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
5. You imply that it's "laughable", so you
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

apparently lack respect for them.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. "them"
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

Who is "them?"

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
14. Who is "them"?... The white people you find laughable for accusing each other of racism.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:24 AM
May 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. Trying to come up with a response.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

But I have no clue as to the point you are trying to make. Others seem to get it.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
20. I simply responded to the question you asked me.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

I'm not making any "point". You are the one who seemed to be trying to so that with your first post.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. ok.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:35 AM
May 2015

Thought you were replying to make a point. I was wrong. Now I understand why I couldn't figure out why you were replying. I was looking for a reason behind the reply. In the end there was no point. Got it now. Thanks.

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
10. +1 - You didn't
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

You just were able to see thing as they are.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
15. And how "are" things?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

with respect to his post?

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
22. It's funny as hell!
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:37 AM
May 2015


NC wasn't 'them' - ing black folks. So that's not the issue.

But there is a sentiment amongst black folks at DU (the handful of us) that it's kind of funny to watch to white candidates groups - beat each other up over who has done more for blacks, will do, etc. etc.

Like at the end of the day either one will appoint another ass wipe like Scalia or Thomas to the SCOTUS.

Noooooooooot gonna happen!

Both groups need to just go along to get along on this issue.

Stop getting all up in their feelings and let it go.

Politicians don't do anything for black people until we make it so uncomfortable for them they have to. I.E. - any change won't come from either of these candidates - it comes from the black community beating them up with words, actions, boycotts, etc. etc.

Regardless - if either one wins then screws up - we have a better chance at bullying a Democratic President into giving us what is rightfully OURS as Americans than we ever will a Republican.



This nonsense has got to stop guys. It's going to make us look weak to:

1. The Koch brothers who made a MASSIVE donation to the UNCF last year AND had the President of the organization come to one of their little posh meetings.

and

2. Rand Paul who goes out and sits down knee-to-knee in the black community.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. IMO, both groups need to listen on this issue instead of talking over one and other.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:49 AM
May 2015

We all want to act like we care more, while at the same time using said groups as political footballs for our personal(personal being any gain from our person of choice. Go team.) benefit. It's beyond disrespectful. Then again, I would hate the discomfort we would feel from an honest and open discussion on this topic. It's not really funny, not sure why I am trying to make a joke.

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
30. Take a peek
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

If you were in these discussions the past few weeks - you'd see how on the mark you are.

And yet - you get resistance - for pointing out what is obvious.

All you did was tell the truth. And instead of getting the 'content' - folks focused on the words. It's the content of your OP that is not funny.

It's the reaction that is.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
33. Interesting..
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:26 PM
May 2015

I'm guessing it would be not so funny if they didn't mention it at all.

Judging by a thread here criticizing early civil rights activist Bernie Sanders for not

mentioning Black people enough in his opening campaign speech, it's apparently not.

"Politicians don't do anything for black people until we make it so uncomfortable for them they have to. I.E. - any change won't come from either of these candidates - it comes from the black community beating them up with words, actions, boycotts, etc. etc"

Guess what, Gen? Unless you're a big donor, politicians don't do anything for ANYONE if you don't "make it so uncomfortable

for them that they have to"...That doesn't pertain to just one group.

P.S. I know that NC wasn't "them-ing Black folks" -- He seemed to think I was -- Hopefully, I've explained

it in a manner he can understand.


JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
35. Historically
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

It was us - that's the key thing. And we weren't big donors to Kennedy or LBJ. Actually I think those were the first Democratic party members my dad's father gave money to. He flipped back to Republican (many black men that COULD vote that were born in the deep South at the turn of the last century were Republicans with good reason) in 1968. Then Carter - Democratic - then he died.

It was when we made things uncomfortable and didn't back down - when we didn't even have the most basic right to vote - when our dads could be sent off to Korea and Vietnam to get shot and killed - but couldn't vote while home on leave (my dad back in Alabama in 1964) - We made it happen. WithOUT money. Without representation in the government or state houses. Without a vote -

We made it happen.

The only way we will make it happen NOW - is if we remember the Cell Phone is now mightier than the gun. And remember to keep reaching down and giving those left behind a hand up. And bring our cell phones to the polls. I think in 2016 we are going to be severely challenged - and that should be priority number one in regards to black Americans that white liberals/progressives need to concern themselves with.


If they disenfranchise just a few thousand - Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Webb - no one is gonna win.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
2. This place is cray cray.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:09 AM
May 2015
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. Both candidates support the concerns of the black community.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:16 AM
May 2015

And both would be fierce defenders of civil rights.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. I agree. nt.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
8. Agreed. n/t
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
9. Yep. nt
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
16. I have to agree with that (nt)
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
6. You ought to take a peek in the AA Group NC
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

You pretty much nailed it.


Some interesting threads we've had back there lately!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. I will stop by and read. Thank you for the sugguestion.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:20 AM
May 2015

I don't post in many groups but do have two I regularly read. I have not been to the AA group. I will say, the two groups I read are extremely educational. I will stop by the AA group today.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
23. Hillarious..
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:37 AM
May 2015

You who seem to find it funny that "white people" would call each other racist, and yet you

yourself have never been to the AA group?

Aw gee, seems you might want to start laughing at yourself instead of

condescending to those poor deluded white folk you find so amusing.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. What in the world are you talking about?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:41 AM
May 2015

You seem to have an issue. Multiple posts to the op with very little context.

"You who find it so funny that "white people" would call each other racist, when you

yourself have never been to the AA group"

What does never having been to the group have to do with anything? Anything at all in this world?

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
31. Oh My...Looks like were we doing a little Wiflful Misunderstanding now
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:05 PM
May 2015

"What does never having been to the group have to do with anything? Anything at all in this world"?

Do you really want to know? Or are you just now playing dumb because you got caught being snide

and now can't defend yourself?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain:

You felt the need in your OP to remark on 'white people' calling each other racist -- Why?

Along with JustAnotherGen, you seemed to find it "funny" or "ridiculous" in some way,

rather than viewing it as a decent concern on their part...A concern YOU don't appear to have

since you've never even checked into the AA group to HEAR their concerns.

It seems your only interested in doing it now so you can feel superior by laughing along

at all those poor, deluded white people..

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
32. I have no clue as to the point you are trying to make.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:12 PM
May 2015

In order for me to make a point, I must first visit certain groups? Very strange position to take.

Maybe you should visit the group with me. We can go into the AA group and read together. I just stopped in. Seems like it will be very educational. You with me? We can listen and learn instead of talking.

Edit: Never mind. I see you have been to that group and won't be back today. Your comments make much more sense now.

whathehell

(30,460 posts)
34. Um, like I said, I answered your question..I didn't have a point to make
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:29 PM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 28, 2015, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

Get it yet?




 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
26. .
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:44 AM
May 2015

Solly Mack

(96,928 posts)
11. Thank you
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:18 AM
May 2015
 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
18. Seems to me that this is an area of general agreement.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:26 AM
May 2015

One can argue who will be the better or more efficient leader in this area. Other areas the differences between the candidates are more striking. Support or opposition of the MIC, economic disparity and how to address it, spying by our Gov. and what to do about it, Working Class issues, Bank regulation. Lets discuss issues of real difference.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. +1
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:29 AM
May 2015

That would make too much sense. The candidates seem to understand that, many of their supporters don't seem to.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
24. Seems no one is immune from being painted a racist these days
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:39 AM
May 2015

Which is precisely why the label has lost its sting.

 

peecoolyour

(336 posts)
36. The academics who made the label more ambiguous should be ashamed of themselves.
Thu May 28, 2015, 12:43 PM
May 2015

It has only resulted in diminishing the level of public discourse.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,842 posts)
27. I suspect some would be upset about being turned into a political football or a play thing...
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:46 AM
May 2015

I suspect some would be upset about being turned into a political football or a play thing for the amusement of others.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. I just mentioned the football aspect in another post of mine.
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:50 AM
May 2015

It is kind of the angle I am going with here. Seems to be the reality of du this morning.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
37. Locking
Thu May 28, 2015, 01:49 PM
May 2015

Host consensus is that this is disruptive meta.

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