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Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:53 AM May 2015

Hey... Mr. Sanders made the front page of NY Times today.

And No... he didn't murder his wife.

Be willing to put up w. a little age-snark ( It's penned by folks who probably think "Ellsberg" is a new item on the McDonald's Value Menu.)

On the whole it's pretty fair and therefore good for the Senator. Apologies if someone posted it already. ( So read it *again* and stop looking at me like that.)

Enjoy:

>>>EPPING, N.H. — Fit and quick-witted at age 73, Senator Bernie Sanders was still going strong after speaking for an hour in 90-degree heat on Wednesday when he fielded a question from a man who could have been an older brother.

“Would you raise the top marginal tax rate to over 90 percent, as it was in the 1950s, when the middle class and the economy were doing so well?” asked Milt Lauenstein, 89, who had the same white hair and hunched posture as Mr. Sanders.

“You mean under the communist Dwight D. Eisenhower?” Mr. Sanders quipped about the former president, who, of course, was a Republican, but one who did not oppose high taxes as fiercely as party leaders do now.





It is not every day in 2015 that an Ike joke gets a laugh, but Mr. Sanders landed the line perfectly — at least for the roughly 50 older people in the crowd of 200 who came out to meet the candidate in a backyard here. It was the latest Sanders event to draw a sizable number of registered voters who share not only Mr. Sanders’s cultural reference points but also his age group.



What Bernie Sanders Would Need to Do to Win
Mr. Sanders, an independent from Vermont, is running an insurgent’s campaign for the Democratic nomination for president, but to spend time with him on the trail is almost to travel back in time: He sprinkles his remarks with “50 years ago” or “40 years ago” as he reminds his audiences of the progress in the United States on race relations or gay rights.

At one point during his remarks in Epping, Mr. Sanders drew a “yes” from Nina Capra Jordan when he commented that back in the first half of the 20th century, the University of California campuses, City College of New York and other elite institutions charged little or no tuition. (Mr. Sanders wants to eliminate tuition at public universities nationwide and pay for it largely with revenue from taxes on Wall Street stock trades.)
the whole thing:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

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Hey... Mr. Sanders made the front page of NY Times today. (Original Post) Smarmie Doofus May 2015 OP
A bit of ageism... flor-de-jasmim May 2015 #1
K & R! n/t RufusTFirefly May 2015 #2
TBTB do NOT want us thinking about the 60s, when we had a middle class, affordable colleges. NYC_SKP May 2015 #3
+1 daleanime May 2015 #4
+1 woo me with science May 2015 #19
The big difference today is the biased media. Enthusiast May 2015 #22
I wonder if the ptb madokie May 2015 #25
My daughter is 19. She and her friends love Bernie. Avalux May 2015 #5
Agreed. However: They spelled his name correctly and it appeared on the *front* page. Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #7
Well, that IS a step in the right direction. Avalux May 2015 #10
My 20 year old told me the azmom May 2015 #16
Good to hear! Avalux May 2015 #17
And standing on the other side are the snarling neoliberal fucks who insist we are worthless. Scootaloo May 2015 #26
America so needs the wisdom of age. Especially from such such a wise person as Bernie Sanders who sabrina 1 May 2015 #6
"Hunched posture" says it all. Let's let the LibDemAlways May 2015 #8
Evryone deserves their 15 minutes of fame. nt William769 May 2015 #9
Grammar Nazi here: "Everyone deserves his or her 15 . . . " ('Everyone' is singular, KingCharlemagne May 2015 #21
That's a "singular they." joshcryer May 2015 #24
The divergence of spoken and written English is most evident here, I think. Do note, though, KingCharlemagne May 2015 #29
And some people don't know when their 15 is up. Scootaloo May 2015 #27
Cons were just fine with Ronnie Reagan age 71-78 though n/t Populist_Prole May 2015 #11
Bernie or more servitude. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #12
The 852 NYT comments are HUGELY supportive. johnnyreb May 2015 #13
Thanx. GREAT stuff there: Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #15
It seems like young people are excited about Bernie. They love him on twitter and Reddit. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #14
I am hearing a lot about him from young people. woo me with science May 2015 #20
Come back marym625 Jun 2015 #30
Yes. I was just wondering about Woo myself. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #31
Me too marym625 Jul 2015 #32
Excellent...exposure is a very vood thing. SoapBox May 2015 #18
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #23
Bernie is the real deal! Getting big crowds at his events too! peacebird May 2015 #28

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
1. A bit of ageism...
Fri May 29, 2015, 09:49 AM
May 2015

His message resonates with people of all ages who are paying attention! And the thing about citing events from 40 years ago is that we were on a much better track then! At this moment, to get back to what we had, we have to refight battles we had previously won.

So yes, it is good that he is becoming more visible, but he is still being marginalized, just in a somewhat different way.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. TBTB do NOT want us thinking about the 60s, when we had a middle class, affordable colleges.
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:09 AM
May 2015

Pretty sad when you think about it, they want to bury the past.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
25. I wonder if the ptb
Sat May 30, 2015, 05:31 AM
May 2015

don't want us to die. I mean those of us who aren't letting them fleece us anymore or the disadvantaged by what ever reason. I wonder if they want to see a big die off as they're seeing the world as theirs and we're over populating it without their permission. Conflicted no doubt, on the one hand they don't want us using birth control and on the other hand not willing to help the unwanted babies. Ought to be a season on the rich bastards, its them who are causing the strife throughout the world today. They use whatever wedge issue they can to reach this goal too, At the base of most of it is the Bible and the Koran. Old text that should be worth nothing more that the novelty of the reality of what it is, old text written by who ever for whatever reason. Get the masses to all knell down and believe something and they are easy to manipulate.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. My daughter is 19. She and her friends love Bernie.
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:17 AM
May 2015

From what she tells me, Bernie has quite a following of young folks on social media.

Articles like this are designed to manipulate us into believing that only old people can understand Bernie and will vote for him, therefore he can't possibly gain widespread support and win. They portray him as an affable old eccentric, completely harmless. Like a novelty.

It's all bullshit.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
7. Agreed. However: They spelled his name correctly and it appeared on the *front* page.
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:29 AM
May 2015

First time for this, AFAIK. ( Except when the header was about Clinton.)

Exposure is the name of the game right now.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. Well, that IS a step in the right direction.
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:47 AM
May 2015

I agree that exposure is the name of the game with the American people. Have to keepin mind that most aren't as involved in politics are we are.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
16. My 20 year old told me the
Fri May 29, 2015, 05:26 PM
May 2015

Same thing this morning. She said Bernie is a big hit on social media.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
17. Good to hear!
Fri May 29, 2015, 07:25 PM
May 2015

I really think the usual suspects are underestimating Sanders, and his ability to connect with younger people.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. And standing on the other side are the snarling neoliberal fucks who insist we are worthless.
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:15 AM
May 2015

Take any definition of "the other side" as you please, of course.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
6. America so needs the wisdom of age. Especially from such such a wise person as Bernie Sanders who
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:20 AM
May 2015

right from the beginning of his life was aware of what was important in this world.

Bernie IS going to win this race.

He is already making waves.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
8. "Hunched posture" says it all. Let's let the
Fri May 29, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

world know that Bernie is a stooped over old guy they don't need to take seriously. (I haven't seen any indication that he's "hunched" at all.)

The man could have been attending the same elementary school at the same time as Hillary Clinton given that they are a mere 6 years apart. The way the media is portraying it, he could be her father.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
21. Grammar Nazi here: "Everyone deserves his or her 15 . . . " ('Everyone' is singular,
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:08 AM
May 2015

requiring the 'his or her' construction).

Pedantic excursion complete. Now back to regular programming.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
24. That's a "singular they."
Sat May 30, 2015, 04:58 AM
May 2015

An indefinite singular which is perfectly acceptable. Though there are people who argue about it to this day.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they

*fan of singular they*

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
29. The divergence of spoken and written English is most evident here, I think. Do note, though,
Sat May 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
May 2015

that your 'That's" lacks an antecedent A minor faux pas as such things go.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
15. Thanx. GREAT stuff there:
Fri May 29, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

The point here is :NYT is more of a NATIONAL newspaper than it is a local. The dissatisfaction w. "politics as usual" is NOT localized to the 5 boroughs of NYC.

Even if "politics as usual" physically resides in its northern suburbs.

A snippet:

I think Bernie Sanders holds high appeal amongst not only the older, but also amongst the younger and middle-aged, Democratic voters. Both I (not out of my 50's yet), and my son (not out of his 20's yet) found ourselves independently considering contributing to his campaign. The man is a plain speaker, and not beholden to the powerful banks and companies that have such a stranglehold on the politics in our country. We do need a truly populist President from time-to-time - after the great disappointment of Barack Obama, 2016 may be that time.

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Andrea New Jersey Yesterday
I am all for Sanders - and I opposed Communism at a great personal price in Cuba in the early 1970's. None of us would have ever moved a finger to create the cut-throat Capitalism that we see today: The uber wealthy are taking the rest of the nation to the cleaners.
This country needs Sanders or someone like him. A degree of social justice - genuine; not just lip service - is indispensable for economic growth and political stability. It's not just a moral thing; it's common sense too.

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WildWeasel California Yesterday
I agree with Bernie on pretty much most of his platform. On taxes, it is not so much about raising all taxes. It is about stopping the flattening of the tax curve. It is no longer progressive. When top tax rates were upwards of 70% and 80% and America boomed and all Americans were doing better than they are now, and our infrastructure was being expanded and maintained, EVERYONE paid the same tax on the first increment of income. Say 20% on the first $20K. But more income meant you'd pay a higher percentage on the next increment. That's what we don't have today. A fair graduated tax system. The billionaire didn't pay 90% on every dime he earned. Only on the amount above a certain threshold. And by the way, the billionaires today are getting a free ride by average taxpayers because many of them don't pay income taxes because their Wall Street earnings allow them to be paid as if they were capital gains at 15%. Fix the system.

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Reuben Ryder Cornwall Yesterday
Bernie is a beast. He's honest, so he stands alone. It will be interesting to see what kind of treatment he receives from the media, who is as responsible as either political party for the polarization and the downward slide of this country in terms of the failure to generate an all inclusive economy with a strong middle class. This article already attempts to frame him as incidental by aligning him solely with the young and the old. On the surface, that may be true, but it is not the story. It is just another way to marginalize some one by invoking existing biases within the culture. Bernie is a problem that's not going to go away. He's from Brucklin, you know, and he's fired up.

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RCT New York, N.Y. Yesterday
I younger than Sanders, but over 55, and you bet I think that Bernie has the right message. Bernie Sanders will care that people my age are losing jobs and, due to age discrimination, cannot find new ones. He will not let us lose our

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
31. Yes. I was just wondering about Woo myself.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 07:48 AM
Jul 2015

Hope they return soon. A veritable wealth of information that one.

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