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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:11 PM May 2015

Obama Steps Up Pressure for Renewal of Surveillance Measures

President Barack Obama is stepping up pressure on the U.S. Senate, which appears set for a political showdown Sunday when it meets only hours before some key surveillance powers of the National Security Agency are set to expire.

Before both chambers of Congress left for a one-week recess, the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed the USA Freedom Act. That compromise legislation would end bulk collection of Americans’ phone records but let the NSA search the records held by phone companies on a case-by-case basis.

Obama strongly urged the Senate to act quickly Sunday to pass the House bill before three provisions of the USA Patriot Act, enacted in 2001, expire. The president said Friday that he met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch at the White House to discuss a number of issues, including the NSA measures.

The president said he needed to remind everyone that at midnight Sunday, a range of authorities that the U.S. intelligence community uses to track terrorists would expire.

He said he had indicated to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that he expected the Senate to act quickly to pass the USA Freedom Act. Obama said there are Democratic and Republican lawmakers in both the House and the Senate who think the compromise bill is the way to go. He said the only thing in the way is a handful of senators who are resisting reform.

The president said "heaven forbid" a terrorist attack occur that could have been prevented if these programs were in place.

http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-steps-up-pressure-renewal-surveillance-measures/2799208.html

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The USA Freedom Act is perceived as containing several concessions to pro-surveillance legislators meant to facilitate its passage, such as extending the Patriot Act powers until 2019. Many civil liberties groups believe that the USA Freedom Act doesn't go far enough. "This bill would make only incremental improvements, and at least one provision-the material-support provision-would represent a significant step backwards," ACLU deputy legal director Jameel Jaffer said in a statement. "The disclosures of the last two years make clear that we need wholesale reform." Jaffer wants Congress to let Section 215 sunset completely and wait for a better reform package than endorse something half-baked.

Members of the anti-surveillance Civil Liberties Coalition are dismissing the USA Freedom Act in support of the Surveillance State Repeal Act, a far more comprehensive piece of legislation in the House that completely repeals the Patriot Act, as well as 2008's FISA Amendments Act. A group of 60 organizations called Congress to not stop at ending the NSA's bulk collection of telephone information under the USA PATRIOT Act, but to also end the FISA Amendments Act and Executive Order 12333 mass surveillance programs and restore accountability for bad actors in the Intelligence Community.

The Center for Democracy and Technology endorses the bill, but it points out that it doesn't limit data retention for information collected on people who turn out to have no connection to a suspect or target, and emphasizes that this is not an omnibus solution. The group argued the bill had to be supported because "the Senate will weaken the USA FREEDOM Act right before the sunset deadline, forcing the House to accept a weaker bill".

“This bill purports to ban certain acts under narrow authorities, but it doesn’t ban those behaviors outright. Nor does it increase meaningful oversight of the NSA," said David Segal, executive director of Demand Progress, who wants Section 215 to expire. The group said "a vote for a bill that does not end mass surveillance is a vote in support of mass surveillance."

"Companies are provided monetary incentive to spy and share that information with the government and blanket liability once they do under USA Freedom -- even if that breaks that law," said Sascha Meinrath, the director of X-lab, an independent tech policy institute previously associated with New America. "Once companies receive that, they'll have almost no reason to weigh in on meaningful surveillance reform." "In a way, it's kind of like PRISM," the program revealed by Snowden where major tech companies turned over the content of online communications to the NSA, said longtime independent surveillance researcher Marcy Wheeler. "It pushes things to providers: Everyone gets immunity, but it doesn't add to the privacy."

“We think of the USA Freedom Act as yesterday’s news,” said Shahid Buttar of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, “and we’re interested in forcing the (intelligence) agencies into a future where they comply with constitutional limits.” “If passed, it’ll be the only step,” predicted Patrick Eddington of the Cato Institute, a former House staffer, since the next expiration date for a major piece of surveillance legislation is 31 December 2017.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act#Civil_liberties_groups

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Obama Steps Up Pressure for Renewal of Surveillance Measures (Original Post) Jesus Malverde May 2015 OP
That last sentence sounds EXACTLY like Dubya... truebrit71 May 2015 #1
Change, my shiny metal ass. hifiguy May 2015 #2
I am glad the bulk collection of phone records PRB May 2015 #3
One correction Jesus Malverde May 2015 #5
Yes, I know PRB May 2015 #6
Guess your not active politically in any way that might change the world. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #8
Huh? PRB May 2015 #10
What a campaign of lies we were fed. woo me with science May 2015 #4
The videos of candidate Obama vs President Obama Jesus Malverde May 2015 #13
Repub Rand Paul is said to be Fillibustering which would allow Patriot Act to Expire by Midnight.... KoKo May 2015 #7
Indeed should be interesting c-span viewing...nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #9
+1 woo me with science May 2015 #11
Fuck Rand Paul PRB May 2015 #12
 

PRB

(139 posts)
3. I am glad the bulk collection of phone records
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:20 PM
May 2015

is ending. I don't think that accomplished much. I don't see anything wrong though with keeping an eye on phone records on a case by case basis, as the article suggests. There are hardly any pay phones any more, so people are verbally communicating through phones or other methods like Skype.

If a person is planning some terror act, then there is nothing wrong with monitoring that. The NSA will get it wrong sometimes, but you don't know until you actually listen to a conversation. It's a catch 22. How do you know unless you have a method to find out? If someone is going to listen to me on the phone gab on and on about nothing, then they're wasting their time. I don't necessarily like it, but in the grand scheme of things, I actually don't even care. I will bore you to death!

However, it only takes one terrorist to slip through the cracks. You still have to have some method to prevent that. I value my privacy, but I would still rather be safe than sorry. I'd hate to see another 9-11.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
5. One correction
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:29 PM
May 2015

People don't listen to your conversations, computers do. They are then transcribed and archived in a google like searchable format for eternity. In the future if you become suspect, an analyst will be able to recall everything you said on phone and online.

It's a hugely powerful tool that can be used for blackmail and cointelpro like programs.

To assume this powerful tool is used for terrorist hunting alone is naive.

This is like j Edgar's secret files on steroids x 100000.

 

PRB

(139 posts)
6. Yes, I know
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:36 PM
May 2015

people are not actually listening to your conversations. It's automated, but that would not really change things for someone like me or a lot of other people. If an analyst eventually listened to my conversations, then he would still be bored to death. I also don't see myself becoming a suspect, let alone blackmailed. I mind my own business, don't break the law, etc., so nothing would even come of it. That power would be wasted and they'd be wasting their time on me. Go catch the criminals and terrorists.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
4. What a campaign of lies we were fed.
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:26 PM
May 2015

Candidate Obama debates President Obama on the surveillance state:

https://m.



Won't get fooled again.

Hillary Clinton Sides with NSA over Snowden Disclosures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101695441

On the NSA, Hillary Clinton Is Either a Fool or a Liar
http://m.thenation.com/article/180564-nsa-hillary-clinton-either-fool-or-liar



NO MORE THIRD WAY CORPORATE PREDATORS IN DEMOCRAT SUITS.

BERNIE SANDERS 2016

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
7. Repub Rand Paul is said to be Fillibustering which would allow Patriot Act to Expire by Midnight....
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:40 PM
May 2015

Might also keep the Vote for "Freedom Act" Amendment to "Patriot Act" from even getting passed if he truly does what he says he will do.

It should be interesting to watch on Sunday...to see how it all goes.

 

PRB

(139 posts)
12. Fuck Rand Paul
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:13 AM
May 2015

His idea of freedom is letting poor people starve and having discriminatory housing. His father was bad enough, but his father was only in the house. His son is actually making a serious bid at the presidency. This guy is both nuts and dangerous.

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