phoenix anti islam organizer going into hiding.

the mosque. don't know what was said. they showed it on the late news.

there were about 200 people on each side. the police put up barricades and made a human chain.

i'm a member of "the humanist society of greater phoenix".

Such as those strange "liberals" who support the oppressor Muslim leaders when they should be supporting the oppressed Muslim rank in file. Or those who say "you can't criticize Islam because ... religion, because racism, because bigotry. What are really saying is that for some unfathomable reason they refuse to condemn misogyny and homophobia from a Muslim right-wing radical, but feel it's perfectly alright to condemn misogyny and homophobia from Christian right-wing radical.

I say anything that calls attention to how truly bad radical right-wing Islam is can't be all bad. I don't see how it's any different from "provoking" Westboro Baptist, except maybe that Westboro Baptist hasn't taken up threats of murder as their method of silencing dissent, making Westboro Baptist somewhat more civilized than Islam.

I can't make myself do that, no matter what drug I might take.

The thing is yr in a thread about a revolting anti-Muslim bigot now going into hiding. The Muslims he targeted with his 'protest' today aren't radical right-wing Muslims, nor are the leaders of the mosque itself.

And the likes of him and Pamela Geller are all bad. They don't have any redeeming features whatsoever....

It's not the sort of thing I expect to see here at DU...

1-What did the people at that Mosque do to deserve to be met with hate? 2-You're so caught up in rightwing muslim extremism but defend the rightwing christian extremists protesting? 3-Who are the extremists?

These Muslims did nothing wrong, what is being protested is their existence.

If they can't take blasphemy, that is on them.

but only as long as that difference is that they are believers, because we non-believers are considered to be really cool at this particular time in history, so lets exploit that for all its worth.

Don't expect me to believe your fantasies.

Then he CHANGES his story, and turns it around the other way, by saying



You don't get to be the person advocating for harassment of believers, and then turn around and play the innocent victim of religious evangelism.

You got called out for your bullshit. Deal with it.

NOBODY on this thread has tried to convert ANYBODY to anything.

If you had taken 3 minutes of your time to check out their web page, you would have known that. Your slip is showing.



http://iccpaz.com/iccp-condemns-isis/

Your implication that it's just for this guy to be in hiding over drawings is vile. You need to look up the definition of humanism. Disgaceful.

where is the implication that i think its just for him to go into hiding? i think he's a disgusting person.

It is sad that reformers like her do not have the support of the left. Indeed, as she discusses, it is worse than lack of support. It is outright hostility.

Nailed it, brave woman indeed. The cognative dissonance we see sometimes is confusing and naive.

She makes some great points.

It's a great video of a brave woman.

he is upset some islamic terrorists didn't attack . now he still wants to be seen as a victim.

that Pam Gellar got all of the attention.

So he contrived this little stunt. Too bad that nobody cares.

while this idiot is going into hiding for his and his family's safety...

"Jon Ritzheimer, the ex-Marine behind tonight’s anti-Islam rally in Phoenix, told reporters tonight that he’ll be going into hiding for his own safety and the safety of his family."

Coward. What do people do if they have no place to hide and are not responsible for the hate-filled climate he has created in Phoenix? Freedom of speech does not make being irresponsible okay. The way I see it is that he's in danger of being hurt by EITHER side of the issue by folks who want peace...

So he has to fabricate it instead.

I did see a lot of signs there saying, "Love thy Neighbor" carried by many people. That would make it a bust if more of them show up.

Way to go, big man.

That's for damn sure.

Some asshole wants to show off his bigotry? Fine.
Don't arrest him, don't shoot at him. Let him say what he has to say.
And then respond with your own speech. Including pictures and video of his speech. Put it out there for all to see.

Good outcome all around.

German Americans during WWII. He has some learning to do.

He stirs up the pit vipers and then runs for cover and leaves his like-minded buddies to be the collateral damage.

What he wanted was to draw out extremists and have a wild west shootout to kill them like what happened in Texas, but plan B was the "oh I have to go into hiding because of the threats" BS he's pulling now. He wants to be the freedom loving American exercising his constitutional rights that is oppressed by islam.

Fuck him

The GunNuts are menacing a peaceful Muslim community that has done EXACTLY what Western democracies have demanded (with good reason) that they do: condemn ISIS and urged ISIS supporters to repent and return to the religion of mercy.

The imams of ICCP, by signing this open letter to the leader of ISIS and denouncing his followers, they have literally put their own lives in danger. So they have the GunNuts against them on the one hand, and ISIS supporters against them on the other hand.



http://iccpaz.com/iccp-condemns-isis/

The fact that the leadership of this mosque has come out AGAINST Islamic State should tell you something about their values

(reposting from yesterday http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1104841)

On edit: Upon listening to this guy for 4 mins on the video link, he says "Until these people start to police their own, this is what is going to happen". If he had done 3 minutes of research, like I did, he would know that he is harassing the wrong mosque, for those who are posting like this mosque is a hotbed of radical Islamists.

He is harassing Muslims, period. Not radical Islamists.

Just ordinary Muslims, practicing their freedom of religion, a right guaranteed to them by the US Constitution.