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[delrem]

1. Sounds good, when you abstract from actual issues!

I'm reminded of a Forbes.com "10 most eligible bachelors" article...

[delrem]

36. Yes.

"I'm more 'experienced' than you" isn't a positional statement.

A prize awarded from somebody, that jimbob is the most qualified candidate for POTUS, that disregards details regarding actual events, means beans.

[rock]

73. Then you accept the premise

"Hillary Clinton is probably the best qualified presidential candidate ever". Good.

[delrem]

75. Heheh - you're just being ridiculous for the hell of it, right?

[rock]

78. Heheh yourself

Then why spend so much time saying how pointless it is? One of us is not making a lick of sense. Care to guess which?

[delrem]

79. I've spent more time on you. Bye now.

[MohRokTah]

72. Wow.

Unbelievable.

[hughee99]

3. She checks a lot of boxes, but let's not go crazy. Best EVER?

Jefferson's resume was better, as VP, Sec State, Ambassador to France, Governor, and delegate in both the state legislature and the continental congress. Monroe's is equally impressive (other than VP) having served as governor, Sec. State, Sec. of War, Governor, Minister to UK and Minister to France, Senator and congressional delegate. John Quincy Adams was Sec. State, Minister to England, Russia, Prussia and the Netherlands and a Senator. He also served in the house, but not until after he was president.

[hughee99]

89. My argument is that it's easily recognizable hyperbole

Since the first three names that came to mind all had more impressive resumes and it makes what otherwise looks like a good case for Clinton look like a puff piece.

[Cheese Sandwich]

4. Voting for Iraq war disqualifies her though. Too bad.

edit: (these tears are sarcastic)

[silvershadow]

14. Yeah, Cheese, cheer up. She won't be the nominee anyway is my guess. My guess

is Bernie Sanders will not only be our nominee, but will also be our next President. Is that your take? I couldn't be happier.

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. Hmmm... She starts out with huge advantages

But I think she can be beat.

Bernie my top choice by far.

[mimi85]

33. Yep, my husband and I decided tonight.

It's Bernie all the way. I just cannot see myself voting for Hillary - unless it's the only way to get a D in the WH. Hell, I might just write Bernie in if he's not the nominee!

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. Your guess?

Considering she is far and away the best numerically....is not a guess....its a wish.

[TM99]

5. I am sorry but this puff piece might not be something she really wants.

She has experience in the House? But she was never a congresswoman, just a staff member of the Judiciary Committee during a single trial.

She was a lawyer, so now she is a small business owner? I mean how many damned lawyers have we had as senators and reps. Were they all small business owners? Hell Rand Paul is an MD. So he must be a small business owner as well.

Well she really wasn't ever a corporate executive but hey she did serve on the board of Walmart. That is close enough.

The most damning with faint praise last area is that several instances of her experience are directly tied to her husband as both governor and President. All of his successes may now be her successes but also all of his mistakes are now her mistakes.

This piece suggests that she is the best qualified because she has a little bit here and a little bit there. She has her husband's successes and failures. And some is just a wee bit of a stretch.

Really, the writer could have talked about her time in the Senate and as SoS, and even if it didn't make her the 'best qualified' in history, it might have been a better focus on her policies and positions.

Hell as it stands it is just a puff piece with a bit of bullshit and ample justification for those of us who oppose her to say that yes, Bill's policies and governing ARE Hillary's policies and governing. I don't think I would be pushing this article too much if I was a Clinton supporter.

[TM99]

9. Which is just a really positive non-sequitor

for her at this point in time.

[DesertFlower]

13. not according to the poll

chris matthews talked about today. she's 4 points ahead of rand paul and not that far ahead of the other candidates. i wish i had the #s. i think she was 7 points ahead of huckabee.

i just found a poll as of 5/28.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

[DrDan]

77. not really - I heard on morning joe yesterday that his entry would really shake things

up for the republicans . . .

that was from joe himself, not one of the sane guests

[Cha]

31. Aloha DesertFlower.. I found this one, too.. I think this will change and get better for Hillary

once more people get a load of the craziness in the clown car.

Hillary Clinton May 28, 2015

Santorum lags in Pennsylvania, Clinton leads GOP Field but Rubio Close

Rick Santorum may be running for President again, but he doesn't even lead the GOP field in his own home state. Scott Walker leads among Pennsylvania Republicans with 17% to 12% each for Ben Carson, Chris Christie, and Rick Santorum, 11% for Mike Huckabee, 9% each for Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, and 6% each for Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.

Pennsylvania provides a good prism into how Walker and Bush have traveled in different directions in the polling this year. When we polled the state in January Bush was 9 points ahead of Walker, 18% to 9%. Now Walker's support is up 8 points and Bush's is down by 9, almost flipping the results from earlier in the year and putting Walker 8 points ahead of Bush at 17/9.

Also seeing their support drop a lot from where we had them earlier in the year are Ben Carson (from 18% to 12%) and Ted Cruz (from 10% to 6%). Neither of them has been able to sustain the momentum they briefly had following their candidacy announcements. Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, and Rand Paul are all pretty much where they were in January.

the rest..
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/hillary-clinton/

[MattSh]

34. And your point is???

Clinton Widens Lead In Poll

By Jon Cohen and Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has consolidated her place as the front-runner in the contest for the Democratic presidential nomination, outpacing her main rivals in fundraising in the most recent quarter and widening her lead in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

For the first time, Clinton (N.Y.) is drawing support from a majority of Democrats -- and has opened up a lead of 33 percentage points over Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.). Her popularity, the poll suggests, is being driven by her strength on key issues and a growing perception among voters that she would best represent change.

The new numbers come on the heels of an aggressive push by Clinton to dominate the political landscape. She unveiled her health-care proposal and then appeared on all five Sunday news shows on the same day -- all while her husband, former president Bill Clinton, went on tour to promote a new book. Within the past month, at least one Clinton has appeared on television virtually every day, increasing the campaign's exposure among millions of Americans.

Yesterday, her campaign announced that it had topped Obama for the first time in a fundraising period, taking in $22 million in the past three months in funds that can be used for the primary campaign, to Obama's $19 million.

Complete story at - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202365.html?nav=rss_politics

You must have a nice pair of rose colored glasses! But I discovered many many years ago that it was easier to really understand what's really going on without them.

[ucrdem]

11. Why wouldn't she?

Beats the rumor mill no?

[ucrdem]

10. K'n'R. She's earned her stripes.

In 2008 I wasn't so sure, but she's been getting ready!

[cali]

15. and what would you say are her most significant accomplishments

as Senator and SoS?

[MattSh]

39. That first article considers Libya and Syria as success stories...

But at least Libya gave the Republicans Benghazi, so I guess that's a success. For them.

And peacemaker in the Middle East? Where's the peace?

[cali]

64. horrifying and sickening

[cali]

63. do you think Libya is her number one success?

And I asked YOU what you thought. Says it all that you couldn't come up with one thing. And pasting articles isn't related to actual independent thinking

[leveymg]

71. At the time, she certainly seemed to be enjoying herself.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. Best EVER. By what metric?

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Yeah... that's what I would have said as well.

At least we're on the same page in that respect.

What happens tomorrow when someone with actual "executive experience" announces his candidacy?

[jtuck004]

19. Especially if you want to continue things as they are. Couldn't be better for that. n/t

[ucrdem]

24. Things are going pretty well.

Helluva lot better than in 2008. She says in the video she wants to see ordinary Americans get ahead and stay ahead, which I take to mean she's planning to bring back the Clinton economy, and to that I say full speed ahead!

[Unknown Beatle]

25. I really think she would be the

best ever for Wall St. and for the defense dept.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. She's definitely experienced. And she's unquestionably smart. And she's tough & knows how DC works.

My main concern with her right now is whether or not she'll take all that and demonstrate real leadership, even if it means taking clear stands on issues some people may not agree with.

But in the end, there's no such thing as "qualified" to be President. It is a singularly unique job, and some of the best Presidents have been the ones you would think least likely for the job.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. we've got a year until the convention.

My definition of leadership includes delineating potentially controversial positions and clear answers on issues before the election happens, too.

But that said, I may end up supporting her in the Primaries. Should she be the Nominee, of course I will support her in the General.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. And I am totally open to being won, or wooed.

[captainarizona]

29. wasn't nixon the most qualified before her?

nixons qualifacations didn't seem to help him much.

[SoapBox]

35. Just wait until Fox "News" gets started on her...

If any HRC supporters here, have complaints about her history and any posts on DU...it's gonna get super, duper UGLY when they get started.

[delrem]

38. The problem is, what FOX might "have on her" might not be popular with Dems.

True, at the same time FOX might be applauding Donald Trump in pre-presidential "debates", etc.
So it's fucking ridiculous, and a person doesn't know where to turn.

[Exilednight]

94. Whatever you think ugly is, it will be 10x worse with Hillary.

[Cha]

37. And, thanks to President Barack Obama she's had those 4 years as SOS.. that's got to

immeasurably good experience for Foreign Policy and being around the White House working with another Dem Prez.


President Obama and Hilary Clinton spoke movingly at the ceremony as the bodies of four American citizens killed at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi were returned home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203298/Victims-Benghazi-massacre-return-home-Obama-Clinton-pay-tribute.html

And, dealing with the gopredictable blowout afterwards. that never found anything wrong with how the State Dept handled it.

Mahalo KMOD

[ucrdem]

40. +100

Hillary 2015 is not Hillary 2007. She's come a long way and this time around she has serious foreign policy cred.

[Cha]

47. Oh yeah, I was seriously not for Hillary in 2008.. but,

like I said.. among other things.. she's worked with President for 4 years, and that's got to have been good experience even if they're not exactly on the same page with FP.

I'm leaning towards Hillary now.. lots of reasons. She's learned a lot since then and she's surrounding herself with many good people(see, right there she's learned.. no Mark Penn-"mr fix it..didn't" in sight.)..

one thing that has turned me off Bernie, fair or not, is a lot of his supporters on DU have treated President Obama like shite for years.. and their arguments hold no persuasion. I've seen too much disingenuous pot shots aimed Obama.

Whomever wins the Dem Nom will not be running from his accomplishments.. they'll want that Obama coalition and the Prez to campaign with them and for them.

ucr

[ucrdem]

48. Absolutamente.

When I see these righteous demands that Hillary renounce the TPP I have to laugh. Yeah wouldn't that be soooooo convenient to get the two most prominent Dems in the country at each others throats. Convenient for Jeb that is.

[Cha]

50. Oh, they're very demanding.. phiift! Can Hillary

even read the secret(so far) negotiations?

[ucrdem]

60. LOL, good point.

[Cha]

62. I read that somewhere(forget where) Recently.. but, thought it made sense.

[delrem]

41. I'm not happy with what she did with "Friends of Libya" and "Friends of Syria".

To be honest, she scares me.
She scares me.

And that's because of what she's done, and who she's friends with in matters of war.

(eta: nice picture. very moving.)

[Cha]

51. Hillary scares the republicans, too. She doesn't scare me.

[delrem]

56. I know.

eta: the honest truth is, both Hillary and the Republicans are afraid of Bernie Sanders.

[Exilednight]

95. A little food for thought: why did Obama take away the responsibility of Iraq and Afghanistan and

Give them to Biden?

[NaturalHigh]

44. She has my vote.

[BreakfastClub]

45. She definitely has my support. The country needs

a strong woman to reawaken feminism in this country. Hillary is a bona fide feminist, and I would be proud to vote for her for the first woman president of the US. It's time.

[Ken Burch]

46. Feminism and war don't go together.

Other than World War II, no war has made life better for women. Iraq has Sharia Law now as a result of the war, which means women can never be free there.

[ucrdem]

49. Who says she's going to war?

I have to seriously doubt that any intelligent being after going through the sh#t she's gone through over her Iraq vote would ever come close to repeating that fiasco. Don't forget that she'll need to get Dems elected in 2018, to get reelected in 2020, and to get Dems elected again in 2022 and 2024. So it's not like the politics ever go away.

[Scuba]

53. Her track record.

[ucrdem]

54. As president?

Gotcha.

[Scuba]

57. No, as a US Senator. Remember when millions across the globe knew going to war in Iraq was wrong?

[ucrdem]

58. She isn't running for senator.

Yes, I understand the complaint, but my point is that her senate experience on that vote particularly should make her very chary of playing the war card as she has many more elections ahead of her, not just 2016 and not just hers.

[Cha]

59. Good point, u.

[Scuba]

61. Her track record on military adventurism is dismal, disturbing and should be a disqualifier.

[orpupilofnature57]

65. +1000 !!!!

Integrity, Transparency,Accountability,Perspicacity, and Sincerity, all lacking in her otherwise assumed omnipotence, of the esoteric, insider world she OBVIOUSLY lives in .

[Enthusiast]

98. She's going to war.

[orpupilofnature57]

55. She a regular candidate drone, with ambiguous reasoning, and all those connections

she can get us done .

[DiverDave]

66. LOL

How much money will the owners make if she wins?

[RoccoR5955]

68. Mrs. Clinton is a good candidate.

But I feel that Bernie is a better candidate. The only thing that he does not have on his resume is working as Secretary of State.
He is as good, or better on issues than Mrs. Clinton is, and therefore is my pick.

[fadedrose]

69. Our best president

they say, was, George Washington.

He didn't want to be King or President. He was and is so admired. Nothing like modesty.

[DCBob]

70. Yes she is.. by far, especially in comparison to anyone else running.

[ms liberty]

74. I've seen this opinion floated before...

It is silly. She's not the most qualified candidate ever, she's not even the most qualified Democratic candidate of the last 20 years. I would say that Al Gore was more qualified, since he served 8 years in the House, 8 in the Senate, and 8 as VPOTUS.

[Logical]

76. Shhhh.......don't ruin their fun. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

81. But he will bring balance to the force

The prophecy of the Chosen One was an ancient Jedi legend that foretold the coming of a being who would restore balance to the Force.The Chosen One is supposed to tame both the Light Side and the Dark Side

He was the best qualified ever.
thus he became a sith lord.

Only the sith deal in absolutes

Sorry ......... I thought this was a science fiction thread.

[ms liberty]

86. I do not know what you are saying here...

And I cannot find the bunny pancake meme.

[Ichingcarpenter]

90. I counted two absolutes

in the title of the OP.

Hillary Clinton is probably the best qualified presidential candidate ever

I don't care for absolutes .......... ever.. which is a time qualifier and best is a qualifier with no references.

For that matter Obi wan's 'only the Sith deal in absolutes;
is also a logical fallacy with the use of the word only.

I agreed with you on the logical irrelevances of the title of the OP

just tried to do a teaching moment in the tread.

[ms liberty]

91. Thanks - I didn't get the Sith reference...

Plus being just a bit slow on the uptake this morning, lol!

[bowens43]

80. IMO the woman is as phony as three dollar bill, an unqualified megalomaniac

who will do or say anything to get what she wants. She sees the american people as rubes , there for her benefit. So sad that people think that this is the best we can do. She was a lousy senator and a worse secretary of state. So we should reward her mediocrity?

[tridim]

82. John Kerry is/was much more qualified and has a similar resume. Ouch. nt

[riversedge]

83. Yes, very well qualified

[99Forever]

84. "Qualified" to carry water for...

... international American job killing corporations, thieving Wall Street banksters, the war mongering MIC, and her .01% cronies.

Exactly.

[rock]

85. KMOD, I notice your post was completely positive

and did not criticize Bernie at all, but the Bernie supporters are extremely thin-skinned. So I just had to note this well-known socialistic rule: extremely thin-skinned people usually have good reason to be. Note I support both Hillary and Bernie, although I can't necessarily say the same for their supporters. And I dislike rhetorical criticism of either.

[colsohlibgal]

87. Oh She Is Qualified

But she is too beholden to Wall Street, those people expect something for all those $200,000 speeches.

And...the parsing and triangulation isn't cutting it. Where is she on the TPP? She's been mum, Bernie hasn't.

[KingCharlemagne]

88. She certainy has the notches in her belt (1,000,000+ dead

Iraqi civilians) to prove it.

Pardon me while I

[bunnies]

92. Did Al Gore get erased from history and I missed it?

[TheKentuckian]

93. True as long as one can't remember as far back as say Joe Biden.

She has decent but far from overwhelming credentials taken at face value but nothing special when looking beyond that.

Eight years in the Senate, much of which she was jockeying for position to run for President and a term at SoS pushing dangerous interventionist nonsense and destabilizing the world.

[McCamy Taylor]

96. What other candidate has a twice elected spouse who was president?