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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 04:03 PM May 2015

Bernie Sanders Gets MISQUOTED




A while back, Bernie Sanders asked about something that, to the modern reader, seems pretty obvious:

Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like “Girl, 12, raped by 14 men” sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?

The answers are simple and uncontroversial. A lot of men are turned on by rape and enjoy fantasizing about sexual assault; and a lot of commercial publications are fine with using this to sell their product, even if it normalizes rape culture and ultimately threatens the safety of women.

Online publications have long understood this and deliberately try to take advantage of it when promoting their content. SEO editors, for example, will torture their headlines until they can find a way to squeeze in some sexy keywords, even if those keywords are about rape. And not only that, but they’ll arrange and re-arrange their headlines so that those eye-and-search-engine-spider-catching keywords show up in the headline as early as possible. So for example, imagine that you are a Vox editor, and you want to publish an article about the point Bernie just made. Do you call your headline “Sanders criticizes the commercialization of sexual assault”? Or perhaps “Sexual assault commercialization criticized by Sanders?” Probably the latter – but if you really want to rake in the cash, you write something like this:


Where did that first quote come from? The same very essay – Sanders is describing the horrific consequences of media rape culture. The normalization of rape is so monstrous and pernicious, Sanders argues, that some women have even internalized it, and have taught themselves to enjoy the very idea of being sexually assaulted. But instead of giving the reader some minimal idea of what the essay is actually about, Vox pulls a sensational quote about what Sanders is criticizing, shuffles it to the front, and belatedly gets around to explaining where the quote even comes from.



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http://lapostexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-gets-misquoted/2015/05/30
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Bernie Sanders Gets MISQUOTED (Original Post) Segami May 2015 OP
K&R Katashi_itto May 2015 #1
Bernie represents a much needed change from the status quo Art_from_Ark May 2015 #2
For the life of me nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #3
IIRC it was called Yellow Journalism hootinholler May 2015 #4
Correct nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #5
K&R deutsey May 2015 #6
k&r AtomicKitten May 2015 #7
It got worse today. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #8
Yes...they deliberately took that snip and advertised that as the Bernie Interview KoKo May 2015 #11
Yeah. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #30
Chuck was doing his job for his corporate bosses, getting that in to hopefully turn off women. They sabrina 1 May 2015 #23
Thank you Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #26
Bernie Sanders responded to this tiredtoo May 2015 #9
K & R L0oniX May 2015 #10
you dont get how much i do NOT want to hear some mans turn on with rape, standing up for my seabeyond May 2015 #12
i see it is mostly men kicking and recommending this, yum, as if they have succeeded at something. seabeyond May 2015 #13
The article really is not what you think. TDale313 Jun 2015 #34
If this is the most that the Bernie-bashers can come up with... backscatter712 May 2015 #14
ya... cause now you men have even got him wallowing in your porn with you. rah seabeyond May 2015 #15
That's amazing, you sussed us out! backscatter712 May 2015 #17
no, not the Porn Marshes! (and how is Bernie not one of "you men"?) MisterP Jun 2015 #37
This is low. polly7 May 2015 #16
They're not as low as the Hillary supporters who are trying to say Bernie is into rape porn. beam me up scottie May 2015 #18
That's like saying that because Hillary voted in 2002 for the Iraq War that killed in excess KingCharlemagne May 2015 #24
Well if Bernie has to explain why he wrote an article criticizing rape culture in 1972 beam me up scottie May 2015 #25
If the full dump of photos were released, Obama, Lynch, et. al. would have no KingCharlemagne May 2015 #27
I can see why they don't want to open that can of worms. beam me up scottie May 2015 #29
These aren't your garden-variety victims either, if Hersh's reporting is to be credited. Instead, KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #31
I remember reading about it. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #33
It all makes sense now doesn't it? Oilwellian May 2015 #19
and yet AGAIN VOX posts garbage. m-lekktor May 2015 #20
Well, that explains a lot. AtomicKitten May 2015 #21
I had to look up Vox TM99 May 2015 #22
Totally Recommended Kalidurga May 2015 #28
Get ready for more of this shite. Fascists can only win by lies PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #32
Misquoted? You mean like Hillary gets misquoted all the time? Welcome to Presidential Politics. Hekate Jun 2015 #35
kick AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #36
And yet we have DUers, supposed Democrats, linking to that article in that publication LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #38
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. For the life of me
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:04 AM
May 2015

they pulled that trick...

I am always careful, but too honest for my own good, to quote things correctly. Which if used in a headline will not be as well, as attractive er flame baity.

What they said about headline writing though is not just internet. This shit goes all the way back to oh actual papers. We used to call them... it's on the tip of my tongue, help me out here... YELLOW JOURNALISM...

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
4. IIRC it was called Yellow Journalism
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:05 AM
May 2015

Because the third rate papers that pulled this shit couldn't afford bleached newsprint so their papers had a yellowish tinge.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. Yes...they deliberately took that snip and advertised that as the Bernie Interview
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:04 PM
May 2015

when I went to view it on the site. I wasn't able to get the full interview just what started off with that headline which was just flame bait to draw eyeballs. Bernie handled it very well with the "50 Shades" comment and Todd backed off.

Disgusting.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
30. Yeah.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jun 2015

I think Bernie could have been more clear on what he meant about 50 Shades.

The 1972 essay was apparently intended to be a critique of rape culture and the type of internalized gender stereotypes found in the 50 shades movie. But he was a bit ambiguous in his explanation so of course the Chuck Todd Show or whatever took the worst possible angle and spun it into the whole story.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
23. Chuck was doing his job for his corporate bosses, getting that in to hopefully turn off women. They
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:22 PM
May 2015

do think we women are brainless and not likely to bother our 'pretty little heads' checking out where Chuckie might have dug this up from.

And since Chuck has ten thousand times LESS credibility the likelihood that women would trust him, was close to nil.

I donated $50.00 to Bernie's campaign in honor of Chuck Todd's failure though valiant effort to do as he was told by his bosses. The donation will be made in June, next week.

They are despicable, the Old Media.

The New Media is what Bernie is using to reach as many people as possible so he can speak for himself, rather than these shameful excuses for journalism

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
26. Thank you
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:43 PM
May 2015

I like your OWS signature line.

The big media is not going to help Bernie Sanders anymore than they helped Occupy Wall Street. I don't have a problem with media asking Bernie about his 1972 essay. That is fair. But their presentation of the issue seemed very unfair to me .

You seem to agree and I really appreciate that.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
9. Bernie Sanders responded to this
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:51 PM
May 2015

On Meet the Press this morning. I do not watch this show but caught the replay while napping this afternoon. Heard Bernie Sanders and woke up to watch.
He carried himself quite well replying to questions regarding Hillary, Obama and Bill Clinton. He also responded to this quote quite well.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. you dont get how much i do NOT want to hear some mans turn on with rape, standing up for my
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:07 PM
May 2015

rights.

do you REALLY think this is helping sanders. i made it thru about HALF of your OP curling my nose, and stomach turning with mens want for rape fantasy associating it with sanders.

i do not even know what you are talking about with your porn, tying sanders name to it cause i have no interest finishing the read.

brilliant

fuckin brilliant

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
13. i see it is mostly men kicking and recommending this, yum, as if they have succeeded at something.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:09 PM
May 2015

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
34. The article really is not what you think.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:47 AM
Jun 2015

It's poorly written, and there may well be things you would disagree with, but it actually is trying to talk about how our society (one might even say rape culture) and gender stereotypes have poisoned how men and women relate to each other. By no means would I call this porn. The characterization of the media about this is very misleading. I felt the need to read it because I was more than a little bothered by the second hand accounts. As a feminist and a Bernie supporter, I'm glad I did.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
14. If this is the most that the Bernie-bashers can come up with...
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:13 PM
May 2015

...they've got nothing.

This is bad college writing from 1972. Even Bernie says it was bad. He's gone on to do awesome things since then, so I'm not inclined to judge him on some shitty article he wrote for a college rag more than 40 years ago.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
17. That's amazing, you sussed us out!
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:31 PM
May 2015

Bernie Sanders wants to be President, so us men can all wallow in porn! Brilliant deduction, Holmes!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
16. This is low.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:59 PM
May 2015

I hate seeing someone's words and intent scrambled into bullshit like this ...... it really is yellow journalism and the people who do it should be shamed. I feel bad for him.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. They're not as low as the Hillary supporters who are trying to say Bernie is into rape porn.
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:38 PM
May 2015

They're not helping their candidate.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
24. That's like saying that because Hillary voted in 2002 for the Iraq War that killed in excess
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:31 PM
May 2015

of 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians -- Bernie voted against it, BTW -- she's into snuff films and torture porn. She would have had her fill from Abu Ghraib, the various black sites and the snippets Chelsea Manning leaked.

Speaking of which, where the fuck are the full set of Abu Ghraib photos? Credible journalists, among them no less than Seymour Hersh, have alleged that some of the footage depicts American soldiers or mercs sodomizing Iraqi children in front of their parents. Hillary voted for that shit, time and time again.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. Well if Bernie has to explain why he wrote an article criticizing rape culture in 1972
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:39 PM
May 2015

she should have to answer for something she wholeheartedly supported a few short years ago.

Good question, there must be some pretty awful content if they're still stalling. I'm not big on conspiracy theories but it makes me wonder.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
27. If the full dump of photos were released, Obama, Lynch, et. al. would have no
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:46 PM
May 2015

choice but to initiate war crimes and crimes against humanity proceedings against members of the Bush Junta. No more of this "looking forward, not backward" bullshit line. If every DA said that, no crime would ever get prosecuted.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. I can see why they don't want to open that can of worms.
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:53 PM
May 2015

People are sick of war and seeing more victims might infuriate them enough to prevent the hawks from starting another.


 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
31. These aren't your garden-variety victims either, if Hersh's reporting is to be credited. Instead,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jun 2015

these are Iraqi children being sodomized in front of their parents to break the parents' will and compel them to turn on the Resistance. It worked for the Americans about as well as similar efforts by the French in la guerre sale worked in Algeria. That is, it strengthened the fury of the resistance.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. I remember reading about it.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jun 2015

I'm getting pissed all over again.

If they ever do release them all hell is going to break loose.

Afaik they were ordered to release them in March. Have you heard anything else?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
19. It all makes sense now doesn't it?
Sun May 31, 2015, 06:47 PM
May 2015

Absolutely despicable and I've seen a few swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker. So fucking typical.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
22. I had to look up Vox
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:12 PM
May 2015

as I have never heard of it before these last two incidences of bullshit about Sanders.

It looks like Buzzfeed but without the fun animal pictures.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. Totally Recommended
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:49 PM
May 2015

I expect better from people here. That they will read and do their own thinking and not just have some knee jerk fit. I guess I was wrong. If someone from their group says jump they jump. I don't know who that person is, but they really need to stop with the marching in lock step, it's unbecoming of someone who calls themselves a liberal.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
32. Get ready for more of this shite. Fascists can only win by lies
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jun 2015

and hope they do not come out until after their tenure is over.

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