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Is this the primary objective of DU?
I'm sure it is an objective - I'm not sure it is the primary objective? There are some Democrats that are down at the level of Louis Gohmert... I don't know if I could vote for them?
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trumad
(41,692 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)While the guy's a Democrat and a crook, his analysis of the economy and who it benefits is spot-on. Guy warned us about Reagan and Bushes I & II. Yet, he thinks he's "Chosen" to lead. That sounds "cracked."
You might know that I'm a Democrat who can still remember when the party stood for peace and prosperity. So, for those in office, the deal breaker for my support is how they vote on issues of war and peace, as well as the economy.
It may be, uh, picky, but that's what matters to me: Who Lives and Who Propers should be everybody. To me, that's Democracy.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The assumption is, in any race, any Democrat is better than the Republican opponent. That only holds true 99.6 percent of the time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)able to bully and trash on another.
for me? ya. that is the objective, intent, goal, agenda. hire a dem
i thought that was the same for this board, per TOS and administrations agenda.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)I had hoped it would have shot for a much higher goal...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the majority that sit in hypocrisy, demanding people be nice, as they are nasty and unaccepting. cause i see both being right on du.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think this board is oriented towards electoral politics. And in our system, winning matters. A lot.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)To wit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus
Interacting with friendly, like-minded people;
Sharing news and information, free from the corporate media filter;
Participating in lively, thought-provoking discussions;
Helping elect more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government; and
Having fun!
So, it's one of the five stated goals of DU, at least, and none of the other are specifically political.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)That does not mean it is the primary goal, right?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You have been on here longer than me, but we both started before the "social web" became a thing. This was an early experiment in that, with a specific extra goal of electing Democrats.
So, to answer your initial question, I'd say it's not "the" purpose but is "a" purpose.
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Peacetrain
(22,872 posts)When Chaffee steps in there will be two independents and two democrats running for the Democratic party mantle..
Cerridwen
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Bold in the original. Underlining added.
It would seem somewhat important.
Hekate
(90,556 posts)Cerridwen
(13,252 posts)A bit more nuanced than just what I included, but fairly to the point.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)The discussion is about "progressive" Democrats or "moderate" Democrats, for lack of a better term...
Cerridwen
(13,252 posts)Is this the primary objective of DU? A poster in this thread said as much:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026756900#post9
I'm sure it is an objective - I'm not sure it is the primary objective?
I replied to that.
The discussion may have turned to "'progressive" Democrats or 'moderate' Democrats, for lack of a better term." That wasn't what I replied to.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Confused with another thread I was reading.
Cerridwen
(13,252 posts)at any given time? Me? About 3 or 4 depending on if I'm replying to something or doing jury duty investigation.
It happens.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)except when I need a link or quote?
canoeist52
(2,282 posts)Doesn't it matter what our elected Democrats do AFTER the election, as well?
The main reasons I keep coming here is for the education, intelligent conversation and news..
LWolf
(46,179 posts)a conflict here. From the beginning, when DU billed itself as a "left-wing" discussion group (which it no longer does,) the "left-wing" always took 2nd place to partisan concerns. Always.
DU has never acknowledged that "left-wing," or, now, "liberal," is not always a good fit with the Democratic Party.
Electing Democrats is ONE objective of DU; not the only objective. That's always been obvious.
It's also been obvious that many DUers are willing to use that single objective to demand loyalty oaths and to silence dissent.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The only thing you can't do is advocate third party when it is clear we have a nominee.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)What if Hillary were an Independent?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Unless there were very good reason to believe the party nominee was unfit for office, or extremely unlikely to win the election, I'd support the party nominee. And I'm an HRC supporter.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Surely we don't think all Democrats are the same?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That's that the primary process is for.
In the primary, support who you think the best candidate is. But winning the general election matter.
If I find myself in a situation where I cannot support a candidate who won the nomination, maybe I'm not really a Democrat.
I'm talking about Federal elections here. State and local elections sometimes get more complicated.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Just curious.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I would vote for the nominee.
But Hillary, Sanders, and O'MallMalley would do no such thing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Just like a hood ornament, (D) is a label and not much else.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)want to elect Democrats? Maybe you should consider electing some Democrats yourself?
MADem
(135,425 posts)The section with the headline Vote for Democrats is unambiguous.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Nobody in this galaxy is as much of a turd maggot as Louie Gomer
kentuck
(111,052 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)we have wonderful dems up/
sanders people, pull sanders out of your two OP porn world and get him back to those exciting, fun, overflowing crowds, cheering in enthusiasm and fun, drawing the voters in. speaking out on a wonderfully beautiful summer day.
(i like that picture so much more, after wallowing in two thread gutter)
omalley..... peoples! omalley. whether you want omalley or not. read his shit. i am loving hearing and listening to this man. looking at his history and getting to know him. as he sits on the balcony on a beautifully sunny morning, taking on sanders and clinton, verbaly artfully and in confidence and a grin.
and clinton??? she's watching the men, see what they have
it is all fuggin good.
we have three excellent fighters.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)And we can only do that by having more candidates compete in the primaries, in my opinion.
I think this is very good for our Party and for our eventual nominee, whomever it might be?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is such a turn on. lol. it feels good to me.
three is perfect
we have gotten them, now we get to run the race.....
works for me
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Recommended.
I suspect that everyone experiences DU in their own way -- and that includes their understanding of what the site is for. As an example, a related question might be: why did the fellows start DU? Opinions here vary: some think it was some young guys, connected to things political, that are computer geeks, and wanted to cash in; others believe they were inspired by the theft of the 2000 election to try to wake the grass roots up; some think they were operatives, hoping to harness the potential of the liberal-progressive community, for corporates sake; and others may never give it as much as a split-seconds thought.
Why, pray tell, have people joined here? Theres still lots of old-timers here. Something good has kept them. Others have left in disappointment. Others become meteors streaking through the discussions. Still others have become falling walt stars.
During presidential primary seasons, as you well know, this place becomes curious. Not curious enough, in many individual cases; they come to convert, or destroy, others. A rigid mindset is displayed, as if there is only one correct opinion on every question. Others are equally focused on supporting a candidate, and provide thoughtful, insightful analysis on both what they think is possible today, and/or what they hope to see tomorrow.
In my opinion -- for whatever it may be worth -- DU can and should be used in extremely positive ways. One, as your OP notes, is electing Democrats to public office. Thats an important goal, especially when we consider it in the generic sense of Democrat versus republican. Because it can be more complicated in non-generic, real life contests, the rules are such that in general elections, one cannot advocate for the Democrats defeat. That seems fair to me.
Im not saying that because I am a life-time registered Democrat, I have voted the party line in every election over the decades. In many instances, local elections do not feature that generic Democrat vs. republican. In recent years, the number of registered independents has become far greater than registered Democrats. This includes the regions Democratic Left. But the majority are registered republicans. Even the semi-splinter tea party continues to register as republicans.
Now, of course, to have Democrats win in local elections, there are two options: [1] to appeal to moderate republicans, and hope for their support; or [2] coordinate with the Democratic Left, and work to elect the best candidate possible. For a long time, the local party leadership has opted for #1, with limited success. In recent years, theres been more emphasis on #2, with far greater success.
And thats the type of thing that I would hope that there will be more discussions about. Again, it is trying to win elections -- but it is more. Its discussing options that members of the Democratic Party have, on so many levels, regarding who they really want to work with. What other groups can we coordinate with? We are at a point in time where people need to master change, if our country is ever to regain its status as a constitutional democracy.