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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:04 PM May 2015

"electing Democrats is the objective of DU..."

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Is this the primary objective of DU?


I'm sure it is an objective - I'm not sure it is the primary objective? There are some Democrats that are down at the level of Louis Gohmert... I don't know if I could vote for them?

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"electing Democrats is the objective of DU..." (Original Post) kentuck May 2015 OP
Can you name one? trumad May 2015 #1
Lyndon Larouche Octafish May 2015 #11
Well, yes HassleCat May 2015 #2
i noticed the hypocrisy of that thread. the demand to allow on the one hand, and the demand to be seabeyond May 2015 #3
I think that perception is held by a huge majority here. kentuck May 2015 #6
you think majority is wanting a dem? at all cost? over losing a race to the repugs? i hope so. or seabeyond May 2015 #8
Like what? Adrahil May 2015 #25
I'm pretty sure that's the actual, stated objective. Recursion May 2015 #4
It is one of five stated goals. kentuck May 2015 #7
True. This site was a very early social network Recursion May 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck May 2015 #10
As of now there are only two members of the Democratic party running... Peacetrain May 2015 #5
I guess it depends on how you read the TOS. The first 4 paragraphs: Cerridwen May 2015 #12
Thank you Cerridwen Hekate May 2015 #14
You're welcome. Seemed pretty straight-forward. Cerridwen May 2015 #18
Nobody is saying "don't vote for Democrats"... kentuck May 2015 #15
You posted in your OP: Cerridwen May 2015 #17
Sorry. kentuck May 2015 #19
No problem. How many browser tabs with DU do you have open Cerridwen May 2015 #20
Usually only one... kentuck May 2015 #21
Well...if that's the case we only need to check in and post in election years. canoeist52 May 2015 #13
There has always been LWolf May 2015 #16
You can vote for who you like. hrmjustin May 2015 #22
I think we are in agreement? kentuck May 2015 #23
If she were running as an independent against a Democrat? Adrahil May 2015 #26
No matter how sorry the Democrat might be? kentuck May 2015 #31
Well.... Adrahil May 2015 #34
Do you think Bernie Sanders is not an authentic Democrat? kentuck May 2015 #36
I assume you are asking if she ran as an independent after losing the nomination. hrmjustin May 2015 #30
Which is kinda like buying a car based only on the hood ornament. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #24
Your Senators are Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell and your complaint with others is that they Bluenorthwest May 2015 #27
The TOS is pretty explicit on this. MADem May 2015 #28
I disagree olddots May 2015 #29
Well, you may be right about that? kentuck May 2015 #32
I agree. DU should support Democrats, not Republican Lites. Nt HooptieWagon May 2015 #33
"electing Democrats is the objective of DU..." k. so lets get to work. i am having a blast seabeyond May 2015 #35
The Democratic Party is stronger when we listen to the people... kentuck May 2015 #37
i think three such different styles, what they bring to the table, smart and competent, confident. seabeyond May 2015 #38
Depends who you ask. H2O Man May 2015 #39

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Lyndon Larouche
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:21 PM
May 2015

While the guy's a Democrat and a crook, his analysis of the economy and who it benefits is spot-on. Guy warned us about Reagan and Bushes I & II. Yet, he thinks he's "Chosen" to lead. That sounds "cracked."

You might know that I'm a Democrat who can still remember when the party stood for peace and prosperity. So, for those in office, the deal breaker for my support is how they vote on issues of war and peace, as well as the economy.

It may be, uh, picky, but that's what matters to me: Who Lives and Who Propers should be everybody. To me, that's Democracy.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Well, yes
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

The assumption is, in any race, any Democrat is better than the Republican opponent. That only holds true 99.6 percent of the time.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. i noticed the hypocrisy of that thread. the demand to allow on the one hand, and the demand to be
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

able to bully and trash on another.

for me? ya. that is the objective, intent, goal, agenda. hire a dem

i thought that was the same for this board, per TOS and administrations agenda.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
6. I think that perception is held by a huge majority here.
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
May 2015

I had hoped it would have shot for a much higher goal...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. you think majority is wanting a dem? at all cost? over losing a race to the repugs? i hope so. or
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:12 PM
May 2015

the majority that sit in hypocrisy, demanding people be nice, as they are nasty and unaccepting. cause i see both being right on du.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
25. Like what?
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:40 PM
May 2015

I think this board is oriented towards electoral politics. And in our system, winning matters. A lot.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure that's the actual, stated objective.
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
May 2015

To wit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus

Democratic Underground is an online community where politically liberal people can do their part to effect political and social change by:

Interacting with friendly, like-minded people;
Sharing news and information, free from the corporate media filter;
Participating in lively, thought-provoking discussions;
Helping elect more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government; and
Having fun!


So, it's one of the five stated goals of DU, at least, and none of the other are specifically political.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. True. This site was a very early social network
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:16 PM
May 2015

You have been on here longer than me, but we both started before the "social web" became a thing. This was an early experiment in that, with a specific extra goal of electing Democrats.

So, to answer your initial question, I'd say it's not "the" purpose but is "a" purpose.

Response to Recursion (Reply #9)

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
5. As of now there are only two members of the Democratic party running...
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:09 PM
May 2015

When Chaffee steps in there will be two independents and two democrats running for the Democratic party mantle..

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
12. I guess it depends on how you read the TOS. The first 4 paragraphs:
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:26 PM
May 2015
By registering a Democratic Underground account, you agree to abide by these terms. A single violation of any of these terms could result in your posting privileges being revoked without warning.

The Democratic Underground Administrators have a great deal of confidence in our system of citizen jurors and software tools, but we are well aware that trolls are constantly on the lookout for new ways to cause trouble and therefore on rare occasions it may necessary for us to revoke a member's posting privileges for reasons that are not covered by these Terms of Service. Because of this necessity, we retain the right to revoke any member's posting privileges at any time for any reason.

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

Vote for Democrats.

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<snip to more at the TOS linked at the bottom of the page>


Bold in the original. Underlining added.

It would seem somewhat important.


Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
18. You're welcome. Seemed pretty straight-forward.
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:36 PM
May 2015

A bit more nuanced than just what I included, but fairly to the point.



kentuck

(111,052 posts)
15. Nobody is saying "don't vote for Democrats"...
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:31 PM
May 2015

The discussion is about "progressive" Democrats or "moderate" Democrats, for lack of a better term...

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
17. You posted in your OP:
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:35 PM
May 2015
"electing Democrats is the objective of DU..."

Is this the primary objective of DU? A poster in this thread said as much:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026756900#post9

I'm sure it is an objective - I'm not sure it is the primary objective?


I replied to that.

The discussion may have turned to "'progressive" Democrats or 'moderate' Democrats, for lack of a better term." That wasn't what I replied to.

Cerridwen

(13,252 posts)
20. No problem. How many browser tabs with DU do you have open
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:38 PM
May 2015

at any given time? Me? About 3 or 4 depending on if I'm replying to something or doing jury duty investigation.

It happens.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
13. Well...if that's the case we only need to check in and post in election years.
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:27 PM
May 2015

Doesn't it matter what our elected Democrats do AFTER the election, as well?

The main reasons I keep coming here is for the education, intelligent conversation and news..

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
16. There has always been
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:34 PM
May 2015

a conflict here. From the beginning, when DU billed itself as a "left-wing" discussion group (which it no longer does,) the "left-wing" always took 2nd place to partisan concerns. Always.

DU has never acknowledged that "left-wing," or, now, "liberal," is not always a good fit with the Democratic Party.

Electing Democrats is ONE objective of DU; not the only objective. That's always been obvious.

It's also been obvious that many DUers are willing to use that single objective to demand loyalty oaths and to silence dissent.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
22. You can vote for who you like.
Sun May 31, 2015, 02:08 PM
May 2015

The only thing you can't do is advocate third party when it is clear we have a nominee.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. If she were running as an independent against a Democrat?
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:45 PM
May 2015

Unless there were very good reason to believe the party nominee was unfit for office, or extremely unlikely to win the election, I'd support the party nominee. And I'm an HRC supporter.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
34. Well....
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:08 PM
May 2015

That's that the primary process is for.

In the primary, support who you think the best candidate is. But winning the general election matter.

If I find myself in a situation where I cannot support a candidate who won the nomination, maybe I'm not really a Democrat.

I'm talking about Federal elections here. State and local elections sometimes get more complicated.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
30. I assume you are asking if she ran as an independent after losing the nomination.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:54 PM
May 2015

I would vote for the nominee.


But Hillary, Sanders, and O'MallMalley would do no such thing.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. Which is kinda like buying a car based only on the hood ornament.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:35 PM
May 2015

Just like a hood ornament, (D) is a label and not much else.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. Your Senators are Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell and your complaint with others is that they
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:46 PM
May 2015

want to elect Democrats? Maybe you should consider electing some Democrats yourself?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. The TOS is pretty explicit on this.
Sun May 31, 2015, 03:50 PM
May 2015

The section with the headline Vote for Democrats is unambiguous.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
35. "electing Democrats is the objective of DU..." k. so lets get to work. i am having a blast
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:08 PM
May 2015

we have wonderful dems up/

sanders people, pull sanders out of your two OP porn world and get him back to those exciting, fun, overflowing crowds, cheering in enthusiasm and fun, drawing the voters in. speaking out on a wonderfully beautiful summer day.

(i like that picture so much more, after wallowing in two thread gutter)

omalley..... peoples! omalley. whether you want omalley or not. read his shit. i am loving hearing and listening to this man. looking at his history and getting to know him. as he sits on the balcony on a beautifully sunny morning, taking on sanders and clinton, verbaly artfully and in confidence and a grin.

and clinton??? she's watching the men, see what they have

it is all fuggin good.

we have three excellent fighters.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
37. The Democratic Party is stronger when we listen to the people...
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:27 PM
May 2015

And we can only do that by having more candidates compete in the primaries, in my opinion.

I think this is very good for our Party and for our eventual nominee, whomever it might be?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. i think three such different styles, what they bring to the table, smart and competent, confident.
Sun May 31, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

is such a turn on. lol. it feels good to me.

three is perfect

we have gotten them, now we get to run the race.....

works for me

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
39. Depends who you ask.
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:47 PM
May 2015

Recommended.

I suspect that everyone experiences DU in their own way -- and that includes their understanding of what the site is for. As an example, a related question might be: why did the fellows start DU? Opinions here vary: some think it was some young guys, connected to things political, that are “computer geeks,” and wanted to cash in; others believe they were inspired by the theft of the 2000 election to try to wake the grass roots up; some think they were operatives, hoping to harness the potential of the liberal-progressive community, for corporates’ sake; and others may never give it as much as a split-second’s thought.

Why, pray tell, have people joined here? There’s still lots of old-timers here. Something good has kept them. Others have left in disappointment. Others become meteors streaking through the discussions. Still others have become falling walt stars.

During presidential primary seasons, as you well know, this place becomes curious. Not curious enough, in many individual cases; they come to convert, or destroy, others. A rigid mindset is displayed, as if there is only one correct opinion on every question. Others are equally focused on supporting a candidate, and provide thoughtful, insightful analysis on both what they think is possible today, and/or what they hope to see tomorrow.

In my opinion -- for whatever it may be worth -- DU can and should be used in extremely positive ways. One, as your OP notes, is electing Democrats to public office. That’s an important goal, especially when we consider it in the generic sense of “Democrat versus republican.” Because it can be more complicated in non-generic, real life contests, the rules are such that in general elections, one cannot advocate for the Democrat’s defeat. That seems fair to me.

I’m not saying that because I am a life-time registered Democrat, I have voted the party line in every election over the decades. In many instances, local elections do not feature that generic Democrat vs. republican. In recent years, the number of registered independents has become far greater than registered Democrats. This includes the region’s Democratic Left. But the majority are registered republicans. Even the semi-splinter “tea party” continues to register as republicans.

Now, of course, to have Democrats win in local elections, there are two options: [1] to appeal to moderate republicans, and hope for their support; or [2] coordinate with the Democratic Left, and work to elect the best candidate possible. For a long time, the local party leadership has opted for #1, with limited success. In recent years, there’s been more emphasis on #2, with far greater success.

And that’s the type of thing that I would hope that there will be more discussions about. Again, it is trying to win elections -- but it is more. It’s discussing options that members of the Democratic Party have, on so many levels, regarding who they really want to work with. What other groups can we coordinate with? We are at a point in time where people need to master change, if our country is ever to regain its status as a constitutional democracy.

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