Want to see a big crowd? Wait for this one.

[OKNancy]

[url=http://www.servimg.com/view/11715825/1519][img][/img][/url]

[DCBob]

1. It will be huge.

no doubt.

[JaneyVee]

69. BUT NOW THE ARROW IS POINTING UPTOWN!

[brooklynite]

81. Actually, it's pointing at Chris Christie....

[Wilms]

163. Yes it is!!!

I see you've brushed up on local geography. Very commendable.

[KMOD]

2. I can't wait.

K&R

[cali]

3. I think that's a great choice and I'm sure the crowd

will be enormous

[L0oniX]

100. How small is that island anyway?

Just wondering. I kinda thought is was not all that large and some what access restricted.

[Divernan]

152. The park is 4 acres total, w/ tightly controlled access.

The park is at the tip of the island. Gee. Will the Secret Service be keeping all the boats away?

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. Exactly. And let's hope the crowd looks more like America.

[libdem4life]

5. Yes, Bernie should have bussed in some Black Folk as tokens in his almost all-white location.

That would have been All Over the place. I didn't notice any Latinos there either, or Aisans.

If she had it in Arkansas, it would look much the same. Thus, Hillary's will be like the population of New York...mixed race. Why you think that is worth a dig at Bernie, I don't know. Well, maybe I do.

Perhaps he can go to Arizona and get photo ops with lots of Mexican-Americans. Then on to Watts.

Not.

[JaneyVee]

8. Why would she have it in Arkansas? She was born in Chicago.

[libdem4life]

18. That was her political home. You could fill in any state to get the PC ethnic mix.

Why New York? It wasn't her home, either...she was called a Carpet Bagger, as I recall. Maybe it should have been DC? She lived there for 8 years. Sheesh.

[JaneyVee]

25. What elected political position did she hold in Arkansas?

[libdem4life]

30. Good lord, picky, picky. She was First Lady...seems that's considered a fairly high

privileged political position. Again, no one said anything about being elected.

Yet, again ... back to the subject ... We Are Talking About the Population in Crowds.

[A Simple Game]

66. Some still call her a Carpet Bagger, She isn't as popular in New York as many on DU think.

Sadly she was better than Schumer is but not by much.

[KMOD]

78. She is very popular in NY.

She easily won the NYS primary in 2008.

[libdem4life]

86. Perhaps opportunistic and skating in on her, gasp, last name? I admire her political skills.

[Tarheel_Dem]

101. Vox: "It's time for the media to admit that Hillary Clinton is popular"

Updated by Matthew Yglesias on June 1, 2015, 8:30 a.m.

Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that confirms something the national media is loathe to admit, and that essentially never surfaces in their coverage of one of the most-covered people in the world today: Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America.

Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America
It would be genuinely silly to think that her early leads in general election polling tell us anything interesting about what will happen in November 2016. But they tell us a lot about how people feel in May 2015, and the way they feel is pretty good about Hillary Clinton.

According to Gallup, for example, she is the most admired woman in the world. What's more, she has been the most admired woman in the world for 17 out of the past 18 years.

Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton

But the press hates to admit this. For Clinton, good news is never just good news. Instead it's an opportunity to remind the public about the media's negative narratives about Clinton and then to muse on the fact that her ratings somehow manage to hold up despite these narratives.

Here's how the Wall Street Journal wrote up an earlier poll showing Clinton beating all opponents:


Hillary Clinton's stature has been battered after more than a month of controversy over her fundraising and email practices, but support for her among Democrats remains strong and unshaken, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8676727/hillary-clinton-popularity

It's worth reading the whole article, because obviously some media outlet has told you a falsehood.

[NYC Liberal]

108. She is very popular in NY. Her approval here is about 65%.

[KittyWampus]

13. Bernie's campaign shouldn't HAVE to bus in some "Black Folk".

[libdem4life]

19. It does in Vermont.

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. My point is, if POC were interested, they wouldn't have to be "bussed in". Get it?

[libdem4life]

21. So, in the Lilly White NE, where would they have to travel from to hear what they

could watch on tv?

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. IF, and I say "if" for a reason...POC were interested, there are neighboring states with much more..

diverse populations. It wouldn't require days of travel to support a campaign you really care about. Just ask folks who supported Barack Obama's campaign in '07 & '08.

[libdem4life]

36. Which state, for example. And AFAIK being a supporter does not mean taking a trip to stand in

the sun on the off chance that your token appearance will be noticed by some internet warriors. LOL

And the "Yeah, but..." crowd around here is fascinating. Obama? now we're comparing to Obama back in 2008?

What an interesting interchange in defending Bernie's white Vermont crowd. The inferences astound.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. The problem for Bernie, and trust me, it's going to be a problem, is that the MN crowd bore a.....

striking resemblance to his VT crowd. I'm just sayin'. Don't hate me just for pointing out the obvious.



It's Minnesota ferchrissakes, home of Keith Ellison.

[libdem4life]

41. Hate? Hmmm, Ok. Yes, MN has a 5% black population, and as to the Ellison comparison

I don't see any Burkas, either. Now, after all of this discussion, the voting habits of minorities...for good reason...is very low, so would assume flocking to a political speaker of any party is not likely. I guess his Civil Rights support for decades is just so much chopped liver?

Amazing...and no, I'm not mad or hating...just expressing my opinion...and as a Liberal, that is always subject to change, which is why I enjoy discussion. Also, I expect people to stay on the subject.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Obviously, Bernie traveling to where his supporters are. Nothing wrong with that.

[libdem4life]

54. Indeed. Some of us call that place home. Unlike some other candidates who dare

not go home.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. So Bernie announcerd in Brooklyn? He announced in the state where he held office. HRC is doing the

same thing. It's not even like she's a native Arkansan. She never held office there. Arkansas is her "husband's" birthplace. You're not making much sense now.

[libdem4life]

68. You know, I called California home for many decades. I was not born there. Another nit to pick.

But go ahead...I've got plenty of time. Now it's about birthplace state? Just another angle. There surely must be more, but I'll be patient.

[Tarheel_Dem]

74. You're the one who introduced Arkansas into the discussion. Why? Neither HRC or BS are announcing

in their birthplace. They are announcing from where they hold/held elective office. Get it now?

[cyberswede]

44. From a house party in Iowa last week

175 people attended in a town with about 2300 population.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Great. What's your point? You found a picture with a black guy in it? YAY!

[cyberswede]

55. I found a picture with Americans in it.

What's your point? You complained upthread that you wanted to see crowds that look like America, so I found one.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Since when does one black guy constitute "a crowd"? I know the point you're trying to make, but....

it stands to reason that the candidate who has 87% favorability with African Americans, 70%+ Latinos will have more diversified crowds. Thanks for the picture, but that "house party" doesn't change the optics of his official kickoff.

Will Bernie get some minority support? Surely. But will Hillary get the bulk? Absolutely. It will interesting when the CBC begins their official endorsements. I know some people pretend they don't matter, but they really do. Let's see how that goes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. WTF???? Just stop digging. Please!

[libdem4life]

99. " Exactly. And let's hope the crowd looks more like America." That's digging a hole,

my friend. That was a clever, nuanced, snarky, backhanded racist statement and it got called out. JMHO.

Peace Out.

[Tarheel_Dem]

105. Yeah. After that "fried chicken" line, you probably need to go ahead & step away. C'ya.

Remind me never to engage with you on matters of race, if "fried chicken" is all you got. E-V-E-R!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6762898

[MuseRider]

83. Was there a sign out front that

said Whites Only?

This is not Bernie Sanders problem. He will get crowds wherever he goes and whoever comes chose to be there.

The problem would be if no one but white people felt comfortable there. Somehow I don't think that is the problem.

It is really too early for all the crap. Can't we all just be happy that we have candidates that even if we don't like them other people do?

[libdem4life]

88. This is like Debate Class. I kind of enjoy it. The one who "loses it" emotionally

is usually the one who loses. Why? Because logic and reasoned debate has been replaced by internal psychological or emotional issues. Kind of like tug of war. Same thing there. S/He who lets go first stays standing and the rest...well

[Tarheel_Dem]

94. Don't misunderstand, I AM SOOOOOO "HAPPY"!

[Unknown Beatle]

129. It looks like POC are noticing Bernie.

Killer Mike is a rapper with an impressive history of campaigning for human rights.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128010498

[Tarheel_Dem]

133. Hey, there's 13% up for grabs. It's gotta go somewhere.

But if you look at what the polls are telling us so far, Democrats seem quite happy to have Clinton as their presidential nominee. In the latest Pew poll, 77 percent of Democrats see her favorably, and she has strong approval across ages, incomes, and races. (African-Americans, the most important Democratic sub-group, rate her particularly highly, at 87 percent favorable.)

<...>

http://theweek.com/articles/556175/hillary-clinton-fewer-problems-democratic-base-than-might-think

And hey, there's even black Republicans. But don't expect any big shift in the numbers, not for Republicans and not for Bernie.

[A Simple Game]

73. Here's a link for you, check it out and get back to us about how many People of Color

you can count at one of President Obama's visits to Burlington.

https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+obama+in+burlington+vt&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&imgil=Wj4q_bgDqxli2M%253A%253BvUgt2LBydZ9UfM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Farchive.burlingtonfreepress.com%25252Farticle%25252F20120330%25252FNEWS03%25252F120330011%25252FPresident-Obama-addresses-crowd-at-UVM-in-Burlington&source=iu&pf=m&fir=Wj4q_bgDqxli2M%253A%252CvUgt2LBydZ9UfM%252C_&usg=__H-JDB-DTlxzHRTbggDrC7equLoQ%3D&ved=0CDEQyjc&ei=hbFsVbuiOIGusQXQ64HwDg#imgrc=_

I tried to find you some of Hillary in Burlington but it seems she hasn't been there yet.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. Obama didn't introduce himself to the world in Burlington. That came later.

[A Simple Game]

112. The point is you expect People of Color to drive 5 hours for Bernie when they didn't

even do it for Obama, and some of the pictures were from '12.

[Tarheel_Dem]

115. Here's something else that happened in VT.

VT (Democratic Primary) POLL: Obama 52, Sanders 33. Obama 61, Dean 24.

If there's any state where you could imagine there being a serious desire among Democratic voters to replace Barack Obama with someone further to the left next year it would probably be Vermont. Not only is it one of the most liberal states in the country it's also the home of 2 liberal icons, Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean, who if there was going to be a viable primary challenger seem like plausible candidates. But our polling there finds neither of them would come all that close to Obama, an indicator that the likelihood of Obama facing any serious contest next year is pretty minuscule.

Sanders would pose the more serious challenge to Obama but still trails 52-33. He actually would edge the President 50-38 with voters describing themselves as 'very liberal' but would face a 39 point disadvantage with 'somewhat liberal' voters at 62-23 and a 32 point deficit with moderates at 57-25.

That the margin between Obama and Sanders is as close as it is probably has more to do with Sanders' popularity than unhappiness with the President. Obama's approval rating with Democratic primary voters in the state is 81/11 and his numbers with the far left are even better than that at 86/6. Sanders is even more popular than that though, boasting a 90/7 overall approval rating, including 97/3 with 'very liberal' voters. Even with Sanders' higher approval though most voters who have a favorable view of both him and Obama would still prefer Obama for renomination.

Obama would lead Dean 61-24. He does 45 points better against Dean than Sanders with 'very liberal' voters, leading 61-28 while holding similar leads with moderate and somewhat liberal voters. Dean has comparable favorability numbers to Obama- they break down favorably 77/12- but again it's a case where voters like both Obama and Dean but want Obama to be the Democratic Presidential candidate.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/08/primary...

I have nothing against VT, in fact I love it. However, I stand by my critique of that rollout. If one were just looking at still photos, it did not look like a Democratic event, especially if this is your big introduction to a party you don't even belong to. Bad Optics!

[A Simple Game]

120. I don't even know what that is that you posted.

VT (Democratic Primary) POLL: Obama 52, Sanders 33. Obama 61, Dean 24.

When did that happen? When did Obama, Sanders, and Dean run in the same primary?

You may love Vermont but I don't think you know it, The point with that picture, and the ones I linked to in a different post, is that that is what a Democratic event in Vermont looks like. And yes I live in New York but have traveled to Vermont and especially Burlington quite a bit the last few years.

Your claiming that event should have looked different is just so much smoke. By the way, what was the name of the Democrat the party ran against Bernie the last time? Lots of liberal Democrats in Vermont you know.

[Scootaloo]

126. Tarheel is flicking boogers at a wall and hoping something sticks

[A Simple Game]

138. They appear to be stuck on his finger. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

149. My, my...you've gone personal. Is that how you want to proceed?

[Ruby the Liberal]

157. Your jury results

And its only 1 June 2015...



On Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6763606

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Completely uncalled-for, juvenile and disgusting insult. What did Tarheel say to justify such a kneejerk response?

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[Tarheel_Dem]

127. I could care less. Just pointing out what Bernie was doing in 2012 to "help" Democrats.

Poll: Obama Ekes Out 71-Point Lead Aginst Bernie Sanders in Theoretical Primary Challenge


Is it a slow enough news day to speculate about primary challenges to Barack Obama? No, but Magellan Strategies has polled the question in New Hampshire, so we have to speculate about it anyway. And the gist: Obama currently faces no serious primary threat.

Magellan, commissioned by NHJournal.com, polled 1002 registered voters, including 661 Democrats and 341 independents, who can vote in the either party's primary. (Minor caveat: Because all of the action in 2012 will be on the Republican side, it's likely that fewer independents will pull a Democratic ballot than they did in the 2008 primary.) Obama's favorable rating among Democrats is 91.2 percent; among all of the voters likely to vote in the Democratic primary, he has a 77.3 percent approval rating. So, no surprise that the trial heats go like this:

Barack Obama - 59 percent
Hillary Clinton - 28 percent

Barack Obama - 78 percent
Howard Dean - 10 percent

Barack Obama - 79 percent
Bernie Sanders - 8 percent

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/12...

Just pointing out that Bernie wasn't winning in his own backyard, when he was screaming that someone should primary Obama in his re-election bid. That's the kind of help that "Democrats" probably didn't appreciate. What's popular on DU doesn't necessarily translate above ground.

[A Simple Game]

139. Why don't you start talking about something other than meaningless fantasy polls.

You do know Bernie and Dean didn't run for President in '12 don't you?

I have serious doubts, although I don't really know, that there was even a Democratic primary in New Hampshire in '12. There I go jumping the gun, New Hampshire did have a Democratic primary. Thirteen candidates ran against President Obama as far as I could see none got any delegates and none were named Clinton, Sanders, or Dean.

Just pointing out that Bernie was winning in his own backyard, you should check it out and see what happened. Here's a hint, he ran for Senator in Vermont. Bernie was screaming? You need to provide a link for that, I would love to see it. Hey, while you're at it could you find one for the Dean scream? I love that one too.

[Tarheel_Dem]

141. Sure. Here ya go.

Bernie Sanders: Let’s primary Obama
posted at 12:00 pm on July 24, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

President Obama is under attack these days from all manner of nasty conservatives who don’t care for his liberal, big spending ways. They seem to have found an unlikely ally, though, in the person of the only officially declared socialist in Congress… Bernie Sanders. (Emphasis in original.)

SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.

It’s hard to say how much impact this will have, because traditionally Sanders hasn’t enjoyed a tremendous amount of influence outside his own state. But it is a sign of growing discontent with the political arm of his party. For better or worse, Obama is offering up some spending cuts which will effectively take the legs out from under most of the advertisements congressional Democrats are planning on running next year.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/24/bernie-sanders-lets-primary-obama/

You're welcome.

[A Simple Game]

145. Oh look, you've got a booger stuck to your finger, bye. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

146. Just trying to give you what you asked for. Or didn't you really want to know?

[A Simple Game]

153. Did I really want to know about your past fantasies? No and if you

read my posts you would know that. Now go clean your fingers for gods sake.

[Tarheel_Dem]

155. I fantasized about Bernie wanting the sitting Democratic POTUS to be primaried? FYI: Those "fantasy"

polls were taken after Bernie started making noise about it. Turns out, he couldn't even beat Obama in his own home state. In his defense, he was being spurred on by folks like Amy Goodman, and NorquistDogLake. I'd say that was a big fat FAIL! Much like his prospects for 2016. Bernie is a niche politician, and thank goodness he's been fairly contained to VT.

[libdem4life]

89. A picture is worth ... well, a lot.

[G_j]

148. Looks like the world's most interesting man was there though

http://cmsimg.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=BT&Date=20120914&Category=NEWS03&ArtNo=309140020&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Obama-s-most-interesting-pitchman-in-Vermont-Johnathan-Goldsmith-Dos-Equis-beer

[cali]

92. Burlington is hours from anyplace with a significant

AA community. Springfield, MA would be the closest and that's like 4 hours

[Tarheel_Dem]

97. Well, thanks for that explanation. And I'm assuming we have the same issues in Minneapolis?

[mythology]

22. Vermont isn't exactly close to many centers of population for minorities

And given the economic realities, it's difficult to travel that far.

I don't think that Sanders can win the nomination, but I don't think that this is a fair criticism.

[jwirr]

26. If the area one is speaking about is predominantly white then if you want to have a photo op with

a lot of poc then they do have to be bussed in. Of course that would be obvious so Democrats seldom do that.

As to Hillary going to NYC I see little to crow about. NYC is huge - if you cannot get a enormous crowd there you are not in the race. I am glad she is coming out to start her campaign. I just am not impressed by huge crowds in large cities for a candidate who has name recognition, has been a First Lady and is running for president. If I were close I would attend.

[Scootaloo]

103. Were you elected to be a community spokesperson, or are you just assuming the privilege yourself?

[Tarheel_Dem]

106. As a card carrying member of said "community", when someone shows me who they are.....

I believe 'em.

[Scootaloo]

109. So you have assumed the privilege to speak for everyone. Gotcha.

[Tarheel_Dem]

111. Not for everyone....just myself & these guys ------->>>>>>>

But if you look at what the polls are telling us so far, Democrats seem quite happy to have Clinton as their presidential nominee. In the latest Pew poll, 77 percent of Democrats see her favorably, and she has strong approval across ages, incomes, and races. (African-Americans, the most important Democratic sub-group, rate her particularly highly, at 87 percent favorable.)

<...>

http://theweek.com/articles/556175/hillary-clinton-fewer-problems-democratic-base-than-might-think

I just don't want you guys to feel blindsided. Plenty of CBC endorsements on the way.

[Scootaloo]

117. You must not be terribly confident in those numbers though

Else you wouldn't be trying to cast Sanders as a segregationist.

Just so you don't feel too blindsided, I want to remind you... acting like a Republican is a bad way to win democrats.

[Tarheel_Dem]

118. Right back at ya. Bad optics, coupled with a speech that leaves out a signficant part of the base =

tone deaf, but I certainly don't think Bernie's a "segregationist". Now you have fun, and we'll catch you on the flipside.

[Scootaloo]

123. "As long as she comes up with it in front of a desegregated audience, I'm cool with it."

I don't think you were referencing George Wallace's 1968 campaign.

[KittyWampus]

17. Oh, as Arkansas Governor, a quarter of Cinton's staff was African American

even though they are a small fraction of the population.

It's called being inclusive and reaching out.

[libdem4life]

23. I have no doubt about her staff...we aren't talking about that. We're talking about

the population mix and He's being criticized for having a white crowd.

http://healthvermont.gov/pubs/healthdisparities/race.pdf

The copy/paste can't be edited. So go ahead and click on the link.

Roughly 4% of ALL minorities. So blame Vermont for not being inclusive and reaching out.

Vermont Population, by Racial & Ethnic Category
_____________________________________
1990 U.S. Census – 2007 Estimate –

Total # Percent Total # Percent
White Non-Hispanic 552,413 98.2% 596,777 96.0%
Hispanic or Latino 5,687 0.7% 8,170 1.3%
Asian* 3,215 0.5% 7,573 1.2%
Black/African American 1,951 0.3% 6,485 1.0%
American Indian/ 1,696 0.3% 2,839 0.5%
Alaskan Native
Total Population 562,758 100% 621,254 100%

[Comrade Grumpy]

6. Petulance. Pretty near to flatulence.

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. Right back at ya, my dear Comrade.

[Scootaloo]

51. Maybe she'll actually come up with a platform and mention some issues!

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. As long as she comes up with it in front of a desegregated audience, I'm cool with it.

[Scootaloo]

98. Maybe!

But it might upset the working people, white people that dumped our party in 2008 because a black guy got the nomination.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. But he won! TWICE! So the Obama coalition is still there, sans the angry white folk who "dumped" us.

Good riddance. What's the problem?

[Scootaloo]

107. I don't think they're gone at all

For instance, we have posters here who think they get to use "segregation" as a political buzzword.

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. Obama supporter here, who now supports his former Sec of State. If you're speaking of my

post, yes I want to see people in the audience who look like me. Not angry mobs. I saw enough of that with the rise of the Tea Party, and it has an air of exclusivity about it.

[Scootaloo]

114. Do you believe Sanders' staff bounced out black people?

"No coloreds allowed" signs were posted? You want to stand by your claim that the audience was segregated. Was there a "blacks only" section away from the cameras? If you're gonna use "segregation," you gotta mean it, man

Or maybe you just want to fling shit while ignoring demographic realities? Like those found in Iowa:




Or since we're talking ht Northeast, how about Hartford, Connecticut
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Barack_Obama,_crowd_and_endorsers_at_Hartford_rally,_February_4,_2008.jpg/1024px-Barack_Obama,_crowd_and_endorsers_at_Hartford_rally,_February_4,_2008.jpg

Obama, Clinton, Dean, Sanders... All apparently segregationists?

(I looked for kerry crowds, but didn't find anything, Eerie)

[Tarheel_Dem]

116. Were these "kickoff" events? Their big introduction to a party they didn't even belong to?

[Scootaloo]

119. No no. Keep telling me about our segregationist candidates, Tarheel_Dem

[Tarheel_Dem]

122. I thought not. You have a good one.

[Scootaloo]

124. I look forward to our next engagement over your baseless BS assertions against Sanders.

Or maybe it'll be O'Malley next time.

I'm sure it won't be too long. have a nice day!

[Tarheel_Dem]

150. Nope. O'Malley is a Democrat.

[lunamagica]

131. "Maybe she'll come up with a platform and mention some issues" WHAT!?!?!?

Immigration reform and criminal justice reform are not issues?

GMAB!!!

[Scootaloo]

134. Maybe she'll mention those!

[lunamagica]

135. She has. I guess you were not paying attention. nt

[Scootaloo]

136. I was distracted by her supporters insisting Sanders is a segregationist, I'll admit

But I'm pretty sure she hasn't mentioned anything at her kickoff event, seeing as it hasn't happened yet.

[lunamagica]

137. I'm just tired of posters claiming that she hasn't addressed any issues, when she has

But of course you didn't mean that when you posted about the issues. You where talking about the kickoff event.

Got it.

[arcane1]

52. Vermont isn't America?

That type of "Real America" provincialism is usually what right-wingers do. It's a shame to see it here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. Obtuse much? Show me where I said "Real America". But while we're on the subject....

we're not Russia, and any "Democrat" introducing himself to the nation for the highest office in the land, can do much better.

[arcane1]

62. Yeah, I'm the obtuse one in this thread.

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. So, you didn't find the quote? Instead you came back with one of these.....?

Nice Try.

[arcane1]

77. I'm not playing this child's game with you.

You know damn well what you meant by "And let's hope the crowd looks more like America".

It's why your ass is being handed to you in this thread. You had one job, and failed

[Tarheel_Dem]

93. Awwww. TD haz a sad, cuz arcane drew conclusions based on what he "thought".

[freshwest]

164. I don't have a sad, you've been a hoot! But...

[Tarheel_Dem]

165. Are you saying this thread is FUBAR? Then, fresh haz given TD another sad.

[freshwest]

166. Well, not your posts. Here's one to give you a happy. It did me:

Photos of Billionaires at Hillary’s Rally Today. (image heavy)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026831166

Great pictures of the diversity of the NYC area today. And all the people look happy to me!

[Tarheel_Dem]

167. How did I miss that? You're right. I'm happy....HAPPY....happy! Magnificent slice of America.

[freshwest]

168. Glad to hear that! They may even vote! n/t

[freshwest]

169. Here's the full video. Will post transcript when I find it. Enjoy:

Hillary Clinton Delivers First 2016 Presidential Campaign Speech [FULL]

Published on Jun 13, 2015

Two months after announcing her presidential candidacy, Hillary Clinton holds the first official rally of her campaign Saturday, on Roosevelt Island in New York City.

At first rally, Hillary Clinton gives rationale for 2016 quest New York (CNN) Hillary Clinton took the stage on New York City's Roosevelt Island Saturday, looking to offer hundreds of supporters her answer to the question that has dogged her presidential campaign through its first two months: Why?

The Democratic frontrunner in the 2016 race used the stirring geography of the narrow island in New York City's East River to make a case for new economic policies designed to benefit the middle class -- and present herself as the candidate to make them happen.

"Prosperity can't be just for CEOs and hedge fund managers," Clinton told the crowd. "Democracy can't be just for billionaires and corporations. Prosperity and democracy are part of your basic bargain, too. You brought our country back. Now it's time, your time, to secure the gains and move ahead. And you know what? America can't succeed unless you succeed."

The rally marks Clinton's departure from the low-key and carefully choreographed small roundtable events that she's held in the first states to vote in the presidential nominating contest -- Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada -- since announcing her candidacy in April.

RELATED: In kicking off campaign, Hillary to emphasize more Rodham, less Clinton

Supporters began lining up at 6:30 a.m. for a rally that wouldn't begin until four hours later. Media flocked onto the narrow island, with 550 journalists requesting credentials.
And Clinton's aides welcomed the attention, billing the rally as the real launch of her campaign -- and of the case she'll make to voters for the next year and a half.

"This will be a new moment. We have had the spring training, now it is opening day," campaign chairman John Podesta told CNN. "I think, for us, this is an opportunity to lay out really the operating manual for where she wants to take the country."

Clinton's speech was not a detailed rollout of the policies that she'll advance over the course of the campaign. Instead, the former secretary of state previewed a list of critical policy issues while unveiling the specifics of how she'd tackle those issues over the course of the summer.

Saturday's event was also a chance for Clinton to introduce herself to a large media audience. The former first lady is nearly universally known, but aides hope she will be able to present herself in a different, softer light.

"She is a well-known figure but when you're asking the American people to support you as president, even if it is for the second time, there is no skipping of steps," said Jennifer Palmieri, the campaign's communications director. "If you want to understand Hillary Clinton, and what has motivated her career of fighting for kids and families, her mother is a big part of the story."

In that effort, the entire day will focus on Clinton. Although both Bill and Chelsea Clinton attended -- the first time either will appear at a campaign event -- they will not be the focus and are not expected to speak.

Some of Clinton's high-profile supporters flocked to the city for Saturday's rally, too.

Kasim Reed, mayor of Atlanta, told CNN that he decided to attend the event because he wants to "stand with Secretary Clinton."

"I think that people have really been waiting for this aspect of the campaign to begin," Reed said. "There is an enormous amount of pent up energy to get on with the campaign and go on our and making the case to folks why she should be the 45th president."

But well-known New York Democratic figures weren't treating Clinton as their party's presumptive nominee.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio didn't attend the rally in his own backyard, saying he's waiting for Clinton to present a "larger vision" for tackling income inequality.

RELATED: Hillary Clinton channels Roosevelts in first campaign rally

Republicans, looking to seize on the media attention around Clinton's event, bused supporters north from Washington on Saturday morning, with many leaving at 5:45 a.m. They handed out information about Clinton, including red sunglasses that say "Stop Clinton" and "Shady."

GOP presidential contenders, meanwhile, offered pre-buttals before Clinton even took the stage.

"Hillary Clinton's re-launch of her campaign doesn't change that her views are out-of-touch with mainstream America," Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said in a statement.

The campaign rally was largely organized by Greg Hale, a long-time Clinton aide, who grew up in DeQueen, Arkansas, and met the Clintons when he was young. He started doing advance work for Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign and is the Clintons' go-to person for staging events like Saturday's.

[shawn703]

64. What's the over/under on whether more than 1% of the crowd

Will represent the 1% rather than the 99%?

[L0oniX]

102. Yea ....I hear there's even a few rich people living on that island.

[lumberjack_jeff]

143. Heh. +1 n/t

[Rex]

7. I wish I could be there. nt

nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I saw Al Gore in the waning days of Campaign 00 at the Lake Eola Bandshell in Orlando, FL

It was a humid October day and I had my mom who was eighty two years old at the time, in a wheel chair, and recovering from cancer surgery she had in April of that year with me.

I pushed to the front of a rope line and shook Gore's and Liberman's (sigh) hand.


I also shook RFK's hand when I was six years old when he was running for the U .S. Senate anc campaigning in Rego Park, NY.

[NCTraveler]

10. Saw Gore and Leiberman at a Tampa Fire House.

It was a really small venue. A couple hundred people. And this was in the General.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. This was the General-late October. /NT

[NCTraveler]

11. Crowd size only comes into play for optics.

And few politicians want to deal with it often. It consumes enormous amounts of time that could be allocated elsewhere. Very excited to see what she emphasizes here. The start of her campaign has been nothing short of brilliant. Things will move at a different pace after she announces.

[KittyWampus]

20. More than "optics". It energizes.

[NCTraveler]

28. It does energize support. No doubt about it.

Makes people understand they are working for something bigger and that there are others out there working with them. That is still optics and doesn't say much about the person other than the ability to draw a crowd.

[Aerows]

151. It does

those that are dedicated enough to show up and likewise energized by others so dedicated.

Beautiful thing, really.

[Tipperary]

12. I sure wish I could be there.

I'm looking forward to the pictures!

[Simeon Salus]

24. I can't think of a more inconvenient place in central NYC to draw a crowd

But I'll confess it's a brilliant place to put up security checkpoints, if that were a concern.

Only three ways of getting on the island:
A. Tramway, which carries 5,000 people every 24 hours in each direction.
B. Subway with only the F train running on the line these days (what's that NYCers? 10-11 cars at roughly 200 occupants per times 3-4 per hour from each direction=16,000 per hour at max capacity; during the time I lived in Queens that would be a very generous assessment)
C. the 36th Ave automobile bridge from Astoria, a mile away from the two closest subway stations. They'd certainly setup security on the bridge which would be impassable to normal auto traffic.

In order to get to and exit the announcement party, you'd have to be pretty dedicated, or be one of the 9500 people who already live there.

[BrotherIvan]

33. They're being helicoptered in

Or ferried over in private yachts.

[Simeon Salus]

38. No place to dock on Roosevelt Island

At least not in any capacity. I don't even remember seeing a boat or ferry docked at RI. The powerful running tides in the East River make Roosevelt a terrible place to tie up.

I guess people could rappel from the Queenboro bridge but Port Authority won't like that very much.

Of course the rich and famous could helicopter in, but even then there's not much capacity. I'd love to be there but I'd get there really early in the day and picnic with friends.

Unless the city sets up special subway shuttles there will be thousands left on platforms around the city. It is a transit nightmare.

We put almost a million people in Central Park in March 2003 and the place is surrounded by transit. Even then it was a rough travel day, worse than St. Patrick's Day parade.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

39. Gosh, I almost forgot about my private yacht ...

... I'll have to alert the crew to get it fueled and stock the cooler.

... and get those sunbathers off the helipad, I'm inbound!

[libdem4life]

42. LOL !

[jwirr]

35. Speaking of security. How does the Secret Service fit into her agenda? I am assuming that she

has to keep them even if she doesn't want to. How much say do they have in how she gets to interact with her supporters.

Just curious.

[freshwest]

158. They make her ride in a van to the same specs as 'The Beast.' She remembers RFK's murder.

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I'll bet she'll do what they say, if she wants to live. Every single declared candidate gets round the clock protection.

There are a lot of armed right wing haters with an antiHRC, antiBernie, etc. agenda being egged on all the time and waiting for a chance. They want a right wing revolution.

[jwirr]

162. I had forgotten that the others have the same limitations. It would really bug me to have someone

shadowing me all the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. To be honest, I do not think this was her choice

but the Secret Service detail she still has as a wife of a former POTUS.

I did not realize how tight that place was, but yup... I think that was partly their idea. This speaks to a few other things... that I'd better not post.

[hrmjustin]

27. Not far from me but i don't like big crowds.

[misterhighwasted]

61. hrmjustin, You have one week to learn to like big crowds

Don't forget to wear your Hillary Mojo shirt & live blog back to the Hillary Group.
You are there.

[hrmjustin]

63. Lol i don't know zbout that.

We shall see.

[MerryBlooms]

71. A once in a lifetime event, you should give it some thought.

[workinclasszero]

84. Aww I thought u would be there for sure /nt

[freshwest]

160. Don't forget, you are hedged in. n/t

[Phentex]

125. LOL!

I like this attitude!

[zappaman]

80. Ya gotta go. n/t

[hrmjustin]

82. We shall see.

[freshwest]

159. Me neither, but dang! It's not like you don't know your way around there! n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. Of course it will.

Launch in one of the biggest cities in the country, in a blue state? Sure it'll be big. And it will be more diverse, too, because of the location.

Never let it be said that Hillary doesn't know how to politic.

[workinclasszero]

32. Undoubtedly huge!

I wish I could be a part of that huge and diverse crowd!

Hope there is lots of info to read about it on DU.

[KamaAina]

34. Well, naturally Hillary's going to draw a bigger crowd in NYC

than Bernie did in Vermont. And a more diverse one, too.

[Autumn]

37. It's in New York City, the crowd will be massive.

[Warpy]

128. It would have been in Central Park

On Roosevelt Island, not so much. Access to the island isn't that great.

[libdem4life]

43. I just realized another reason I like Bernie...he's a Hometown kind of guy. And he told us he

would do it differently. Probably did cross his mind that his crowd would be mostly white...given he's spent his entire life there. Clearly, he didn't care. Those are big points for me...not how many black faces you can count in the crowd. If people, especially here, don't get his lifelong commitment to Human Rights...well...

I think that is going to be a huge difference between Sanders and Clinton...The Tortoise and the Hare comes to mind.

Funny, O'Malley is the only one that really "looks the part." And I don't want him for VP...I want Julian Castro.

[Angry Dragon]

45. I do not trust Hillary

[heaven05]

48. me either

not since she voted with the RW to send our soldiers into harms way. All the BS about her being sorry about that vote doesn't bring back the MANY lives lost and being lost in that ongoing fiasco. She's a hawk in her foreign policy and haven't we had enough with war and lies? I bet she is for TPP and just holding back for some strategic moment to drop that bomb. No, she is NOT trustworthy......may the best candidate we can field represent us in the upcoming general election, and that candidate, I hope, will be Sen. Bernie Sanders.

[arcane1]

59. "I knew it was bullshit, and now I'm sorry because you all know it's bullshit too"

Not what I seek in a president.

[sheshe2]

46. That is a fabulous image.

Thanks, Nancy.

[bluestateguy]

50. I'm fully a Hillary supporter, but to be fair here

NYC gives you a pretty big pool to draw from if a big crowd is your goal. Public transit makes getting there easy too.

In contrast to being in the middle of Iowa.

[OKNancy]

60. I wish I hadn't made the subject line what I did

I admit I was taking a little dig at all what I felt were gushing posts about the Sanders crowds.
I really didn't want this thread to go the way it did.

Live and learn... or post and learn.

[m-lekktor]

72. eh, IMO there is nothing wrong with your subject line

well, I am a Sanders supporter and i didn't see anything wrong with it and, besides, it IS the truth. She will have a big turnout at that location!

[hootinholler]

130. Props for that

Seriously, we can disagree and have some good natured poking at each other.

The thing that gets me is when the name calling starts, and I am way more conscience of when I slip.

[ScreamingMeemie]

132. I'm not fully supporting anyone yet (but I align with Bernie more), and that's a cool thing

to say. It'd be cooler if this silly post was deleted. I hate when both Bernie and Hillary supporters get like this. It's why certain names are still in my trash can.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Like every other pol she is launching from her home base

this is hardly surprising. and making this an issue is hilarious. Speaking of launches... need to do the story on Lindsey Graham, who did it from SC, where i am betting the crowd was not as large as if he launched from NYC or Chicago.

Sorry for that N instead of an S...

[zappaman]

79. It will not be a big crowd at all.

Clinton is not popular on DU.

[kentuck]

85. I bet there will be a lot of $$$$ ?

What do you think?

[zappaman]

95. Maybe some yachts sailing in the background too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. I don't like to pit the crowds of one of our candidates against another.

We are blessed with so many fine choices and should be elevating all of them.

[OKNancy]

90. see post #60

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. I like Hillary...That's no secret...I like her a lot...

I maybe a lone voice in the wilderness but I am a voice for comity in our party.

[Thinkingabout]

113. We will see Hillary at her best. She is getting her message to the people.

[Nye Bevan]

121. It's unfair to criticize a crowd from an essentially all-white state for being all white.

All the surrounding states are lily white, too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. All our candidates deserve large and enthusiastic crowds.

They have earned it.

[freshwest]

161. +1

[lumberjack_jeff]

142. Will she regale us with folksy tales of colorin' her hair? n/t

[KMOD]

147. I liked her story.

I thought it was funny.

[lumberjack_jeff]

156. The story? Maybe. The delivery was unexpected from a Wellesely and Yale educated New York Senator.

"Sincerity? Well heck yeah! I can do sincerity just swell... uh... y'all!"

For that matter, I wouldn't expect to hear it from an Arkansas Governor's wife.

[CTyankee]

154. I think she knows that lots of women color their hair...

well, now, think of that...