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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:10 PM Jun 2015

DESPITE What Corporate Media TELLS YOU, Bernie Sanders’ POSITIONS ARE MAINSTREAM


"...Climate change deniers are kooks, and if we had an honest media, it would call them kooks. Instead, Bernie Sanders, whose positions are shared by strong majorities of Americans, is being depicted as the one who is out of step...."







Sen. Bernie Sanders, the presidential candidate for the Democratic nomination, has trouble being taken seriously by the corporate media, what with him being a democratic socialist and all. If you go to Google News and put in his name, you get headlines about him being nothing more than a protest candidate, or having “odd views,” or promoting “dark age economics.” But Sanders’s positions are quite mainstream from the point of view of the stances of the American public in general. Of course, the 1 percent, for whom and by whom most mainstream media report, are appalled and would like to depict him as an outlier. Sanders is scathing on the increasing wealth gap, whereby the rich have scooped up most of the increase in our national wealth in the past 20 years. The average wage of the average worker in real terms is only a little better than in 1970; the poor are actually poorer; but the wealth of the top earners has increased several times over.


Some 63 percent of Americans agree that the current distribution of wealth is unfair. And in a Gallup poll done earlier this month, a majority, 52 percent, think that government taxation on the rich should be used to reduce the wealth gap. This percentage is historically high, having been only 45 percent in 1998. But there seems to be a shift going on, because Gallup got the 52 percent proportion in answer to the question on taxing the rich both in April and again in May of this year. Bernie Sanders’ position is that of a majority of Americans in the most recent polling! Even Socialism is coming up in the world. Some 36 percent of Millennial youth (born in the 1980s and 1990s) have a favorable view of Socialism, compared to 26 percent of the general population. Sanders wants to get big money out of politics.


A majority of Americans oppose the Supreme Court Citizens United ruling, one of a number of such rulings that have increased the ability of the super-wealthy to influence politics. A good half of Americans support federally financed political campaigns so as to level the playing field. On this issue, Bernie Sanders is the most mainstream of all the candidates. The others are in a part of the political spectrum that by the polling represents a tiny lunatic fringe, in opposing significant campaign finance reform. Sanders is very concerned about student debt and wants to do something practical to combat this problem. Some 79 percent of Americans believe that education beyond high school is not affordable for everyone. And some 57 percent of people under 30 believe student debt is a problem for youth. Bernie Sanders’s hair is on fire about the dangers of global warming and the need to take practical steps to combat it. According to a very recent Yale/Gallup poll, some 71 percent of Americans believe global warming is occurring, and 57 percent are sure that human activity (emitting greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide) is causing it, while another 12 percent think the warming is at least partly human-caused. That’s 69 percent who blame human beings wholly or in part.





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http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/01/mainstream-bernie-sanders/
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DESPITE What Corporate Media TELLS YOU, Bernie Sanders’ POSITIONS ARE MAINSTREAM (Original Post) Segami Jun 2015 OP
GodDamned right they are hootinholler Jun 2015 #1
Yes And HRC's Are Not billhicks76 Jun 2015 #26
The proof of that is in the crowds he's drawing Warpy Jun 2015 #2
Agree 100% with this... Whiskeytide Jun 2015 #3
Sen Sanders positions are what should be mainstream Democrat. However, the New Democrats rhett o rick Jun 2015 #4
What rick said! SoapBox Jun 2015 #12
+1 Go Vols Jun 2015 #24
Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Plucketeer Jun 2015 #31
This is it. FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #5
So true kenfrequed Jun 2015 #6
They ignore it because they have a story to tell jeff47 Jun 2015 #16
If Sanders is out of step, LBJ couldn't walk a straight line.. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #7
I hope someone posts the video SamKnause Jun 2015 #8
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #19
Here ya go Go Vols Jun 2015 #27
Thank you. SamKnause Jun 2015 #29
Watching now Go Vols Jun 2015 #30
I thoroughly enjoyed the last SamKnause Jun 2015 #41
Just got done Go Vols Jun 2015 #42
Yes they are and the only ones who don't know it is the corporate media and their paid shills. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #9
They are ...and not only that they also are among the unpartizan common sense population of the US. L0oniX Jun 2015 #10
He supports expanding social security so do 80% of Americans JonLP24 Jun 2015 #11
Excuse me, please. juajen Jun 2015 #21
Grammar policing a sustantive post BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #35
Harder to see the post in the text box JonLP24 Jun 2015 #43
Bernie's positions stand for Main Street MissDeeds Jun 2015 #13
Our news media The Wizard Jun 2015 #14
The news media will ALWAYS come back to the "S" word. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #15
Safe? daleanime Jun 2015 #20
Socialist. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #28
Oh, after 6 years.... daleanime Jun 2015 #32
Bernie embraces the term. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #17
Our politicians and media have redefined right-wing positions as "mainstream" I hate liars Jun 2015 #18
You have identified the problem. We are the victims of an elaborate scam. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #25
Why do you think the other side has been running the worst possible candidates in the world BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #38
I'm convinced they're playing the Washington Generals. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #40
When polled many self-proclaimed conservatives actually believe in the things Bernie proposes. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #23
This is a great article to share with anyone interested BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #33
Harry Smith, NBC News, just said project_bluebook Jun 2015 #36
I don't believe the corporate media when it reports on any Democrat. Cerridwen Jun 2015 #37
I think so too. ananda Jun 2015 #39
K&R! myrna minx Jun 2015 #44
absolutely mainstream. nt Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #45

Warpy

(114,645 posts)
2. The proof of that is in the crowds he's drawing
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jun 2015

He's talking about things we want to hear instead of being pundit driven and reciting canned speeches with overgeneralized drivel that could mean anything.

O'Malley is to his right a tick or two, but he's got the idea, too.

Whiskeytide

(4,657 posts)
3. Agree 100% with this...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015

... I'm pretty mainstream myself, and I have not found anything I don't like about the guy.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. Sen Sanders positions are what should be mainstream Democrat. However, the New Democrats
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jun 2015

and Third Way have dragged the party to the right so that working to help the 99% has become radical.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
5. This is it.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:39 PM
Jun 2015

This could be the moment where citizens choose whether to reject or re-affirm the New Democrat direction of the party. Either way, the party will be changed substantially through this test.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
6. So true
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

I wonder how the MSM manages to ignore this. At some point shouldn't they bother to look at that information and start aggressively questioning republicans and conservative democrats that refuse to support these positions?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. They ignore it because they have a story to tell
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

of equally crazy extremes and the noble centrists just trying to do the right thing.

Since the Republicans wandered off into insanity, they've had to keep moving the left end of "crazy" to keep their story going. Pointing out that the Republicans are not crazy would get them labeled "partisan", the most horrible thing you could call a TV journalist.

SamKnause

(14,914 posts)
8. I hope someone posts the video
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015

of Bernie being interviewed by Katie Couric.

I just watched the live stream on Yahoo News.

It is one of his best !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't think it was possible to like him any

better then I already do, but I was wrong.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
42. Just got done
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:09 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie was great.

Bernie Sanders on Hillary Clinton: 'Would she be interested in being my vice president?'
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
9. Yes they are and the only ones who don't know it is the corporate media and their paid shills.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jun 2015
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
10. They are ...and not only that they also are among the unpartizan common sense population of the US.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jun 2015

JonLP24

(29,935 posts)
11. He supports expanding social security so do 80% of Americans
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jun 2015

On that I always remember mainstream Democrats were running around pushing a payroll tax cut for the third year in a row because it makes Republicans look like hypocrites on tax cuts during elections which Obama himself used for rhetoric Bernie Sanders was talking about "lifting the cap" which used to be a traditional Democratic policy and Bernie Sanders seems to be one of the fewer traditional Democrats still around.

The coward strategy or hiding from the truth isn't helpful while liberal policies won the midterms but there is always a drop-off a turnout when the Presidency isn't at stake and will only get worse with Republicans finding creative ways to decrease turnout while Democrats scold those who didn't turnout while Bernie Sanders could inspire turnout.

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Who turns out to vote and why is of much more than academic interest. In an era of increasingly polarized politics, campaign strategists must decide how much effort to put into persuading independent-minded voters to come out and support their candidate without antagonizing their party’s core supporters, who are more likely to vote anyway. Obama’s victories in 2008 and 2012 were largely due to his campaign’s success in expanding the electorate — inspiring new voters and increasing turnout among blacks.

<snip>

Though political scientists long have noted the midterm dropoff, they don’t agree on precisely what it means. In an influential 1987 article, James E. Campbell theorized that “the surge of interest and information in presidential elections” typically works to the advantage of one party or the other; that party’s partisans become more likely to vote, while those of the disadvantaged party are more likely to stay home during presidential elections. Independents, “lacking a standing partisan commitment…should divide disproportionately in favor of the advantaged party.” Midterm elections lack that “wow” factor, according to Campbell, and turnout among both partisans and independents return to more normal levels and patterns.

A recent paper by Brown University researcher Brian Knight seeks to evaluate that surge-and-decline theory, as well as two competing explanations of why the president’s party nearly always loses seats at the midterms: a “presidential penalty,” or general preference among midterm voters for expressing dissatisfaction with the president’s performance or ensuring that his party doesn’t control all the levers of government, and recurring shifts in voter ideology between presidential and midterm elections. Knight concluded that while all three factors contribute to what he calls the “midterm gap,” the presidential penalty has the most impact.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/24/voter-turnout-always-drops-off-for-midterm-elections-but-why/

It is interesting what people "identify as" but on the issues Americans are solidly liberal -- Republicans use a lot of disinformation & propaganda BS the sit by the radio Rush listeners and Fox News viewed as "most trusted" by the most people out of 24/7 news channels and big 3 stations if they told the truth and they're so desperately clinging to the "tax and spend liberal" label.

Record Number of Americans identify as liberal in 2014



http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/01/09/3609934/more-americans-liberal-2/

I'm interested in probability, numbers, polls, etc as a side hobby so I do see Bernie Sanders as the most mainstream candidate but the media are going to push relentlessly he isn't for so long he wasn't even worth mentioning by the media as a candidate it was always the Bidens or O'Malleys or somebody treated more seriously.


juajen

(8,515 posts)
21. Excuse me, please.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jun 2015

Punctuation is your friend. Run-on sentences give me a headache, and prevent me from understanding what you are saying.

JonLP24

(29,935 posts)
43. Harder to see the post in the text box
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jun 2015

So I make mistakes I spot right away but I have a habit of hitting Post my Reply! rather than Preview plus English was always my worst subject but punctuation I'm usually good at. For some reason I don't see mistakes as easily I do on a finished post and I often think of future words while typing current ones.

The overall point is he is mainstream when you poll Americans on a variety of issues. The other information and this was more speculation on my part was midterm strategy from Democrats were awful while liberal policies were successful in red states, Obama inspired new turnout in addition to the usual Presidential bump from midterms and with Bernie Sanders promoting the specific issues that actually poll very well he could inspire new turnout as well -- probably with the younger crowd particularly so whatever the media narrative is on Bernie Sanders is ridiculously far off including some random complaints on media on politics with the Republican crowd in particular.

The Wizard

(13,783 posts)
14. Our news media
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jun 2015

is a proficient, effective propaganda operation. Pox News just provides cover for the rest of the brainwashing cabal that is more subtle and sophisticated.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
15. The news media will ALWAYS come back to the "S" word.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jun 2015

We have a biased electorate who have bad feelings about that word even though you, me, and everybody else here understands what it means and why Bernie embraces it.

Getting past that in this country is a damned tough nut to crack.

I hate liars

(165 posts)
18. Our politicians and media have redefined right-wing positions as "mainstream"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

And it's infuriating that no one in the media has the courage to check out the polls on Bernie's positions and go public with the obvious conclusion that he represents the views of average Americans better than any other candidate in either party!

The media are purposefully obscuring what most Americans think and want. They are enemies to all of us.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
25. You have identified the problem. We are the victims of an elaborate scam.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:21 PM
Jun 2015

They had this shit outlined clear back when they did away with the Fairness Doctrine. Since then they set about constructing an alternate media reality. And they are not done. Obviously They® have big plans for Hillary.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
38. Why do you think the other side has been running the worst possible candidates in the world
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jun 2015

And now the clown car has stuffed more in, not less. You think they didn't learn from their mistakes? Or do you think they might just be playing the Washington Generals? Geez, I wonder why They® could come up with a better script. But I guess 2012 showed them that they don't have to.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
40. I'm convinced they're playing the Washington Generals.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jun 2015

"Look at me, I can't hit the broad side of a barn. Can't handle the ball, either. Sure can't pass the ball."

They are so ineffective that it has to be intentional.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
22. When polled many self-proclaimed conservatives actually believe in the things Bernie proposes.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:11 PM
Jun 2015

Even though they have no idea who Bernie even is.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
33. This is a great article to share with anyone interested
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jun 2015

First because Bill Moyers is an actual journalist, and two, because the response to anyone left of center right will be nodding their head as they read it.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
36. Harry Smith, NBC News, just said
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders crowd sizes are unprecedented for anyone this early in the elections. Making a huge impact, networks be damned.

Cerridwen

(13,262 posts)
37. I don't believe the corporate media when it reports on any Democrat.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:43 PM
Jun 2015

I don't believe the corporate media when it reports on any Democrat or any candidate to the left of the status quo.

They make their living from supporting the status quo, and in some instances, for trying to drag this country further to "the right."

Any one who does trust the corporate media on any issue is in for a long and painful heartbreak.


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