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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:49 PM Jun 2015

Obama 89% Favorable, Hillary 86% Favorable, Sanders 47% Favorable (the base loves Obama & Hillary)

Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa love Obama and Hillary.

These folks will play a huge role in helping to determine the next Prez.

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There’s nothing but good news in a new Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll conducted May 25-29 of likely Democratic caucus-goers.

Starting off with asking likely Democratic caucus-goers to rate their feelings from very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable about prominent Democrats, President Obama topped the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable.

Not to be totally cruel, but Democrats really messed up when they avoided standing with their President in 2014 (and I said it then, too before it was cool). POTUS is beloved by the Democratic base.

But obviously he is not running for office again, so let’s dig into what the future looks like right now. Here’s how 2016 looks: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rated 86% favorable to just 12% unfavorable and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) 47% favorable to 12% unfavorable.

<...>

This means that all of the “scandals” and faux controversies/conspiracies about the Democratic front-runner have had no impact on the Democratic base in this poll — in fact, Clinton is up one point from January as noted by Margaret Talev.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/01/good-news-poll-obama-beloved-iowa-dems-hillary-clinton-soaring.html

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Obama 89% Favorable, Hillary 86% Favorable, Sanders 47% Favorable (the base loves Obama & Hillary) (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 OP
surf's up! ucrdem Jun 2015 #1
Surfin Safari DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #8
LOL, better than '94 at least ... ucrdem Jun 2015 #21
I spoke to people who said there were some people who were so spooked they never moved back./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #24
Nope, she never did either. ucrdem Jun 2015 #31
These people left the state. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #34
It's nice... ucrdem Jun 2015 #54
I live in Woodland Hills but definitely not the tony part... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #56
Yes it was... Also deadly for some... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #42
Lol! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #15
Hang ten! ucrdem Jun 2015 #18
I'm loving those numbers. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #2
Then you guys can sit back and relax, right? Cool! djean111 Jun 2015 #3
The Democratic base never just sits back and relaxes Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #11
Obama's popularity is why Clinton will support TPP. joshcryer Jun 2015 #4
Guess Bernie's low numbers is because he doesn't support TPP. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #36
You cannot expect a shift until the debates. joshcryer Jun 2015 #40
But you can't say his will be better after the debates, Hillary knows how to handle herself. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #43
We'll see in a little over month. joshcryer Jun 2015 #45
OK, then the candidates has to sell themselves, favorably rates just may determine their votes. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48
Sure you can demwing Jun 2015 #115
Oh, wow, quiet a complement to Hillary, thanks, she is great. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #116
It's true - she's famous demwing Jun 2015 #117
So he wins the debate because he gets on stage with Hillary. I don't see you saying this because Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #119
It's SO BASIC demwing Jun 2015 #120
I know Hillary is great, it is still Bernie's responsibility to sell himself. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #121
Lol "riding on Hillary's back" demwing Jun 2015 #123
You are the one who said it would help Bernie if he got on the stage with Hillary, maybe Bernie Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #124
And you are the one exhibiting conversational myopia demwing Jun 2015 #125
Why bring it up? If it is a problem for you then don't bring it up. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #129
This is hilarious JonLP24 Jun 2015 #78
Yes once one is polling in the 80's it is harder to rise above this. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #82
OK but I doubt TPP is of big importance of the Iowan vote JonLP24 Jun 2015 #83
Then it might be a problem in giving the voters in Iowa a good reason to support Sanders based on Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #96
I don't see it JonLP24 Jun 2015 #97
Time will tell, I wonder where all the union support during the polls? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #118
I wonder if that will be true if the WTO or ISDS court sues the U.S. for farm subsidies... cascadiance Jun 2015 #130
Well, the TPP is supported by a majority of Democrats. Sanders can possibly persuade them Recursion Jun 2015 #98
Hmm... ALL of the Republican senators support TPP, and only 13-14 Democratic senators support it. cascadiance Jun 2015 #102
I was talking about voters, not elected officials Recursion Jun 2015 #104
Public "support" of the TPP as put out by the corporate media is also rather mythical... cascadiance Jun 2015 #110
Hillary is going to take that 86% workinclasszero Jun 2015 #5
Democrats love them both! William769 Jun 2015 #6
Democrats LOVE: freshwest Jun 2015 #44
awww, KMOD Jun 2015 #47
I forgot about that pic. Thanks for that beautiful reminder. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #108
The president is Teflon! workinclasszero Jun 2015 #7
Yes but she's horrible according to some here. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #9
This is very good for all Democrats. MineralMan Jun 2015 #10
I sincerely hope you are right workinclasszero Jun 2015 #14
Trust me on this~ sheshe2 Jun 2015 #17
I will and workinclasszero Jun 2015 #25
Dayum! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #32
Lolz workinclasszero Jun 2015 #35
You are welcome! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #38
Obama has been taunting Fux Noise with that for years! freshwest Jun 2015 #46
IKR? workinclasszero Jun 2015 #49
I want those coat tails to reach all the way to the State Houses ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #76
Yes yes yes workinclasszero Jun 2015 #77
2020 being a Presidential year is good for us in the State Houses Recursion Jun 2015 #99
I want, am working, to get a 2016 head start. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #122
+1 JoePhilly Jun 2015 #63
Every single candidate for the Dem nod will be BEGGING for Obama's endorsement Number23 Jun 2015 #65
Good point, MM.. of course it is! Gotta Love it! Cha Jun 2015 #91
Watch Sander's numbers go up and HRC's go down.... PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #12
These aren't poll numbers, they are favorable, unfavorable. BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #26
A lot more people know of him now than last week when the poll was taken. arcane1 Jun 2015 #57
That's a good, and fair, point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #80
Be careful. TM99 Jun 2015 #107
Definitely later BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #111
Hillary in Iowa-January: 56% Hillary in Iowa-May: 57% brooklynite Jun 2015 #53
Hillary in Iowa in 2008! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #58
Is Obama running in 2016? brooklynite Jun 2015 #60
Well, we will see BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #64
BERNIE: 47% favorable, 12% unfavorable, 41% unsure (don't know him). AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #13
^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #27
Thanks for this! Nt Logical Jun 2015 #79
And Carter, Dukakis, and even Obama and Bill Clinton started lower than Bernie in some stats... cascadiance Jun 2015 #103
Yeah, kind of important. Hissyspit Jun 2015 #112
Yep. Good news for Sanders, too. n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #128
"Contrary to what the media keeps reporting, there’s a clear front-runner" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #16
Kickity kick! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #19
Folk will like Bernie when they find out who he is.... he's good people uponit7771 Jun 2015 #20
sanders is an unknown JI7 Jun 2015 #22
Cool! Anyone know Bernie's "not sure" number? cyberswede Jun 2015 #23
Check out post#26 with all the data BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #29
Thank you!! cyberswede Jun 2015 #33
Yes, since they get so much face time with candidates, this is a good situation for Sanders BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #37
You mean the names are recognized to that extent. Warpy Jun 2015 #28
We have an embarrassment of riches./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #30
Iowa huh CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #39
Yep! She won third place! It's where she lost the primary. morningfog Jun 2015 #69
Yes Obama and Hillary are favorites, Iowa will be the first state voting and we need to be sure Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #41
From the poll DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #50
Biden is burying Bernie and he's not even running . . . ucrdem Jun 2015 #52
The last two graphs tell all... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #55
The last one is the question in polls people rarely pay attention to JonLP24 Jun 2015 #73
If 87% of likely IA voters... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #87
I remember having debates over "not seeing" Webb & O'Malley voters abandoning them JonLP24 Jun 2015 #88
If you plot the candidates on an ideological plane Biden and Webb would be closer to Clinton ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #90
The debate I was having several months were they don't see Webb or O'Malley voters JonLP24 Jun 2015 #94
Polls are snaps shots... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #95
Sanders has a higher "never" than any other candidate Recursion Jun 2015 #100
And that's with ten times as many not sures 30% as HRC 3% DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #101
Count me in the "Never". I'm a lifelong Democrat. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #105
I'm not a Sanders "never" by any means Recursion Jun 2015 #106
I have my 1st, 2nd & even 3rd choices, and he's not among them. But I see his appeal to some. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #109
*Shrug* I don't base my vote on polls. Or likeability, or hair style, or types of underwear. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #51
While I agree with you in part rpannier Jun 2015 #59
Arkansas seems hopeless as does much of the Old South./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #67
Oh goodie another poll. Fearless Jun 2015 #61
love me some obama. love me some clinton. love me some sanders. nt arely staircase Jun 2015 #62
Locozollo, is that you? OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #66
What does that mean? You don't like President Obama's numbers out of Iowa? "President Obama topped Cha Jun 2015 #93
One way of looking at the poll JonLP24 Jun 2015 #68
K&R I am overjoyed knowing how much our president is beloved in the party Number23 Jun 2015 #70
Yeah, it's good to hear from the Real World! Cha Jun 2015 #72
Ask 1000 people to rate three flavors of ice cream: demwing Jun 2015 #71
That is a very impressive analogy JonLP24 Jun 2015 #81
LoZo did it better hobbit709 Jun 2015 #74
:) Hissyspit Jun 2015 #113
I don't think that "Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa" = "the base" Spider Jerusalem Jun 2015 #75
HRC has a 85% favorability among Dems in a nat'l poll. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #84
And only 57% would vote for her if the primary were today. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2015 #86
She has broken sixty percent in several national polls: DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #89
"Only"??? pnwmom Jun 2015 #114
The average of polls is about 62% and not 57% DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #127
We will see in 9 months AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #85
"President Obama topped the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable." THank you, Iowa! Cha Jun 2015 #92
They have spent so much of their lives working toward positive results. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #126
America will get what it deserves. Gregorian Jun 2015 #131

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. Surfin Safari
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jun 2015



When I first moved to L A in 3/12 I was in Northridge, around Tampa and Parthenia and there was this guy driving a vintage 65 Mustang* with the top down blasting Beach Boys music. I thought that must have been a great time to be alive.





*I believe it was but I'm not sure.


ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. LOL, better than '94 at least ...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jun 2015

my late mom was living at Tampa and Parthenia until her ceiling fell on her one morning ... she survived but a bigger freaking mess you have never seen

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
31. Nope, she never did either.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jun 2015

We spent weeks cleaning up her place and when we were finally done they condemned the whole building and that was that. Nice place too.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. These people left the state.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jun 2015

I like that part of the Valley...

You have an In And Out, a Five Guys, a Dennys, an El Torito, and Marie Callendars within walking distance.


My gf and I were living at the Extended Stay.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
54. It's nice...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

Haven't been back there in a while but it always seems cooler in Northridge for some reason.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
56. I live in Woodland Hills but definitely not the tony part...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jun 2015

A guy I know at the gym lives near Kareem Abdul Jabbar, just south of Ventura and Canoga.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
4. Obama's popularity is why Clinton will support TPP.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jun 2015

Not trying to derail the topic, however, the opportunity to point out that Clinton will channel Obama due to his popularity merited the comment.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
117. It's true - she's famous
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:04 AM
Jun 2015

putting a relatively unknown face on stage to debate the most famous woman in America is a win for Bernie - He will look good just by association. Campaigning 101.

Hillary will get none of that benefit

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
119. So he wins the debate because he gets on stage with Hillary. I don't see you saying this because
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jun 2015

I don't think Hillary gets a boost with being on stage with Bernie, that is a real put down on Bernie.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
120. It's SO BASIC
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jun 2015

Hillary has a much higher name recognition factor than Bernie. She is practically an incumbant.
Put them on stage to debate each other, and it increases Bernie's positives.
This is why incumbants always try to limit the #of debates, and challengers always try to increase the #of debates.

I know you're trying to score some internet points by pretending like I accidentally complimented Hillary, but you're just making this silly....I said what I said because its true (Hillary is more famous than Bernie), and I write what I write because it's based on a well established concept (the challenger benefits morefrom the debate than the incumbant - and Hillary's the closed thing in the game).


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
121. I know Hillary is great, it is still Bernie's responsibility to sell himself.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

Riding on Hillary's back does not sell Bernie. I don't see Bernie as the nominee of the DNC, I have been looking forward to the debates, it is exposure of the DNC platform. I think Hillary will make a great president.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
124. You are the one who said it would help Bernie if he got on the stage with Hillary, maybe Bernie
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:17 AM
Jun 2015

should sell himself.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
125. And you are the one exhibiting conversational myopia
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:41 PM - Edit history (1)

I've explained my point three times, if you still aren't following this very basic concept (that the less known candidate has more opportunity to gain visibility points in a debate) then you're not really trying, or you are really trying, and I can't really be bothered.

Peace

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
78. This is hilarious
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jun 2015

This one especially but the idea that the base are TPP single issue voters -- Bernie Sanders low numbers can be explained because people know who Hillary Clinton. Favorability went from 29 to 47 from October, what's another 7 months? Plus the 41% not sure and all this points to room to grow while Clinton has no room left.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
82. Yes once one is polling in the 80's it is harder to rise above this.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jun 2015

I have seen post giving because of single issues the will not vote for a certain candidate, oh yes it happens.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
83. OK but I doubt TPP is of big importance of the Iowan vote
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jun 2015

unfortunately the poll didn't ask that question though so speculating that Bernie Sanders lack of numbers is due to lack of TPP support is silly. 47% favorable with 41% not sure but the 3% not sure on Hillary Clinton is more of what I mean but the unfavorable drop is a very good but josh is right that no one is paying attention to the primary yet.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
96. Then it might be a problem in giving the voters in Iowa a good reason to support Sanders based on
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jun 2015

this issue.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
97. I don't see it
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jun 2015

Unions by and large back Bernie Sanders. Unions by and large are against TPP. Who was a more pro union guy than Gephardt who always did well in the Iowa polls?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
118. Time will tell, I wonder where all the union support during the polls?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:06 AM
Jun 2015

I have been a union member for a long time and I hate to have to say this but the union vote was good because of the numbers of members, that number is much smaller, it does not produce a lot of votes any more. I would pay attention to the polls, Karl Rove ignored them and we see the results.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
130. I wonder if that will be true if the WTO or ISDS court sues the U.S. for farm subsidies...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jun 2015

... hurting the profits of other multinational corporations trying to compete with U.S. farm exports that have been underpriced with those subsidies for so long that have displaced many South American farmers to move up here, in addition to causing problems with other entities that might try to compete with these exports.

If the U.S. government then shuts down farm subsidies, and farm exports decline or have their profits shrink, then I wonder if Iowans might care more then!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
98. Well, the TPP is supported by a majority of Democrats. Sanders can possibly persuade them
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jun 2015

during the debates.

There's this myth in activist circles that Democrats hate the TPP (and Keystone XL), and that a candidate that comes out strongly against them will garner massive Democratic support. But the both are supported by a majority of voters in our party, so Sanders or O'Malley would have to first change Democratic voters' minds about those projects before they could translate that opposition into policy-based votes.

(A further complication is that voters tend not to vote based on policy, but based on their emotional response to a candidate; this is a better avenue for Sanders or O'Malley to take.)

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
102. Hmm... ALL of the Republican senators support TPP, and only 13-14 Democratic senators support it.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jun 2015

Hmm... Supported by a "majority" of Democrats? WHERE?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
104. I was talking about voters, not elected officials
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:35 AM
Jun 2015

Republican voters significantly oppose the TPP and Democratic voters somewhat favor it.

Supported by a "majority" of Democrats? WHERE?

Most of the country outside of activist websites.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
10. This is very good for all Democrats.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

President Obama will help our candidates in 2016. His popularity will have coattails.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. I sincerely hope you are right
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jun 2015

We need coattails big time to gain back some power in Congress and make it possible for the new democratic president to do good things for the people

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. I will and
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jun 2015

Yay! Next year is going to be so exciting!

I live to see Republican sleeezeballs get kicked in the nads with the cold hard fact that they inhabit the bones of a dead party!

The faces on fux news when they realize Hillary is their president OMG! :-D

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
76. I want those coat tails to reach all the way to the State Houses ...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jun 2015

that is going to be important in 2020.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
65. Every single candidate for the Dem nod will be BEGGING for Obama's endorsement
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

I genuinely believe he will be sought out more than Carter or Clinton.

As has been noted repeatedly in this thread, DEMOCRATS love Obama. And DEMOCRATS will want his support.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
26. These aren't poll numbers, they are favorable, unfavorable.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jun 2015

It is much more informative to look at the actual numbers than the crowing



Hillary
39 Very Favorable
46 Mostly Favorable
13 Unfavorables
2 Not Sure

Sanders
23 Very Favorable
24 Mostly Favorable
12 Unfavorables
41 Not sure

The argument that a lot of the polls reflect HRCs name recognition is shown that just 2% of people don't have an opinion. The mostly favorable could shift a little as well depending on press/gaffes/etc.

So the big news in this is that 41% of the people don't know about Sanders at all. His favorables could go up quite a bit.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
57. A lot more people know of him now than last week when the poll was taken.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:33 PM
Jun 2015

That will be the big news going forward!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. That's a good, and fair, point ...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jun 2015

I'm hoping they run (publish) the same poll next week. That will/would be telling.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
107. Be careful.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:39 AM
Jun 2015

They will attack you for truthiness or some such thing next.

Yes, this is quite revealing. If, and yes I am speculating out loud, if even 16 percent of the Not Sure become Very Favorable we have a horse race.

Right now, this is name recognition. I want to see these kinds of numbers again in one week after Sanders was in Iowa this weekend and again in one month.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
111. Definitely later
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:46 AM
Jun 2015

I don't know how the polls change over time since it is so far out. But people will find out more about him and that could be a good thing. We'll see what happens after Hillary's official kickoff.

brooklynite

(94,683 posts)
60. Is Obama running in 2016?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:41 PM
Jun 2015

Barack Obama had both generational support and the resources to campaign. Not clear yet that Bernie will.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
64. Well, we will see
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jun 2015

Money may yet win. But the fact that she was inevitable last time and the same thing is the main descriptor of this campaign does not bode well. The best person at beating Hillary is Hillary.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
103. And Carter, Dukakis, and even Obama and Bill Clinton started lower than Bernie in some stats...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:34 AM
Jun 2015

... prior to the primaries of their elections.

Look at this video clip:



Go to 3:00 in this video:
1) Jimmy Carter started at 1% year before primary.
2) Michael Dukakis started at 1% in polls before primary.
3) Obama at 22-25% versus clinton early with LESS money than Sanders then.
4) Bill Clinton started low too.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
33. Thank you!!
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jun 2015

Looks like Bernie's got some work to do to get his name & message out there. I expect a lot of his "not sures" to change to "favorable" once Iowans get to know him.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
37. Yes, since they get so much face time with candidates, this is a good situation for Sanders
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015

I wonder if the state where she came in third is buying the "evolution" and populist rhetoric. They sure liked that Muslim Kenyan last time.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
69. Yep! She won third place! It's where she lost the primary.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jun 2015

And why she won't win the presidency in 2016. She had her shot and lost.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
41. Yes Obama and Hillary are favorites, Iowa will be the first state voting and we need to be sure
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jun 2015

Her message is loud and clear.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
52. Biden is burying Bernie and he's not even running . . .
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

And since Beau passed away just last weekend I doubt if Joe is getting a sympathy bump. Sure deserves one though ...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
73. The last one is the question in polls people rarely pay attention to
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jun 2015

Mainly Not sure/don't know/or don't know enough categories though as far as favorability/unfavorability is concerned Bernie Sanders actually has a 41% not sure while Clinton & Biden with 2% which is why Biden has been crushing other candidates even though "he isn't even running" -- as expected when because people know who they are. Several months ago Webb & O'Malley were always ahead and Sanders polled like 7 but I feel like I'm having the same debates but with fewer names.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
87. If 87% of likely IA voters...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jun 2015

If 87% of likely IA Democratic caucus voters have a favorable opinion of Secretary of State Clinton and 72% of them say she is her first and second choice for president that suggests to me Senator Sanders is going to have convince a lot of voters who have a favorable opinion of her to abandon her for him.




JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
88. I remember having debates over "not seeing" Webb & O'Malley voters abandoning them
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jun 2015

for Bernie Sanders. Like I said -- same debates but with fewer names the unfavorable drop from 19% to 12% is a very huge sign for Hillary Clinton I have no idea why it isn't being promoted. Probably the progressive rhetoric but the same time Sanders doubled his favorable numbers had a 13% to 12% unfavorable -- all this doesn't often mention the not/sure/don't know Webb & O'Malley used to dwarf Sanders on this category now Sanders dwarfs them but he has been spending a lot of time in Iowa and I have no idea what Webb is doing these days.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
90. If you plot the candidates on an ideological plane Biden and Webb would be closer to Clinton ...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jun 2015

If you plot the candidates on an ideological plane Biden and Webb would be closer to Clinton than Sanders so it is logical to assume their support would go to Clinton if they aren't on the ballot.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
94. The debate I was having several months were they don't see Webb or O'Malley voters
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jun 2015

abandoning them for Bernie Sanders but where are they now? Abandoning is completely the wrong way to look at polls but you are assuming the people polled are as informed as lefty bloggers or paying attention to this as much as we are. The bottom line overall is no one is paying attention to the primary and Republican polls are far more detailed but they are recently starting to ask more questions on Bernie Sanders. 7 months from today who knows what changes we'll see -- certainly Hillary Clinton's advantages in Iowa anyway hasn't dropped but increased so odds are in her favor no doubt.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
95. Polls are snaps shots...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:28 AM
Jun 2015

But there are reasons beyond polls which are ephemeral that make HRC a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination and that is endorsements, money, and organization. In fact you can say at this time those factors are more suggestive of what is to come.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
101. And that's with ten times as many not sures 30% as HRC 3%
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jun 2015

Its a snap shot but there is nothing in that poll that would suggest there's a foundation for an upset.


We'll see...

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
106. I'm not a Sanders "never" by any means
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jun 2015

But it's simple ostriching for Sanders supporters to pretend it's not a problem...

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
51. *Shrug* I don't base my vote on polls. Or likeability, or hair style, or types of underwear.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

Or, how much money a candidate has. Or, if they're "dead broke". Or, endorsements by celebrities.

I base my vote on their records, their positions, and their principles.

And, the amount of injury my nose will have to endure.

rpannier

(24,333 posts)
59. While I agree with you in part
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jun 2015

I don't think the President could have saved Braley in Iowa or Pryor in Arkansas

Bill Clinton practically moved to Arkansas to campaign for Pryor and ir didn't save him.
You'd have a pretty tough time arguing that Obama is more popular with Arkansas voters than Clinton is

As to Braley, his campaign was a mess.
His dismissive comment about farmers hurt him as did his "I've never met Bloomberg." statement that was met two days later with a photo of him sitting next to Bloomberg
Harkin, the most popular person in Iowa was didn't show up and campaign for him (Yet, it was Harkin who cleared the field for him to run)

Arkansas was a lost cause and Iowa was a poorly run campaign.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
93. What does that mean? You don't like President Obama's numbers out of Iowa? "President Obama topped
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jun 2015
the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable."

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
68. One way of looking at the poll
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jun 2015

I've read reports on that poll all day but stupid internet filter is blocking access to the site and this article for some reason but they also block the ads at DU oh nevermind Business week has it oh and-- http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2015-05-30/150601_dem_final_365871.pdf

Anyways as you can see how many points Bernie Sanders moved and I see where "scandals" and faux conspiracies come from A, B, or C. A just a little -- what's in those diplomatic cables interests me more. C does a lot but simply with the way the question is phrased "accepting donations from foreign governments" leaves out who, their background and I mean really their background but I read an article with a hilarious ISIS photo earlier (ISIS (hearts) George Bush) with the quote "Is it our support of the Saudi royals and other secular dictators..." really showed he doesn't have a clue who they are to call them a secular dictator. The King of Morocco is promoted as a lovable secular dictator but what's wrong with Saharawi who reject Wahabbism in more ways than one? They're lefties -- that's why.

Nigeria Labour union protests Morocco’s colonization of Western Sahara

The Nigeria Labour Congress on Monday in Abuja demanded that Morocco put an end to its colonisation of Western Sahara.

The NLC President, Ayuba Wabba, made the call during a protest match under the broad platform of the Nigeria Movement for Solidarity with the Western Sahara.

The platform comprises the Nigerian students from University of Abuja and Nasarawa State University, Amilcar Cabal Ideological School, Centre for Popular Education and Partners for Electoral Reform.

Others are Socialist Workers League and Protest to Power Movement, among others.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/184186-nigeria-labour-union-protests-moroccos-colonization-of-western-sahara.html

Morocco and Saudi Arabia -- two foreign governments that donated to the Clinton Foundation I'm sure for humanitarian charity reasons -- Morocco is part of the Saudi-coalition bombing the shit out of a religious minority in Yemen. I wish the public knew more on world events rather than whats promoted on the nightly news. They really are unaware of a lot of horrifying shit.

Anyways my take away from is her unfavorable rating dropped rather than increased which is a very good sign -- it is the unfavorability ratings that are more predictive or the surpluses on national polls Hillary Clinton lost her meager surplus not long ago

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However, the dip in Hillary’s approval ratings hasn’t happened overnight. In fact, it’s been slowly degrading since the end of 2013. After peaking in November of 2012 at 58 percent, her favorable rating has drifted slowly back to earth, hitting 49 percent in November of 2013 and 47 percent in December of 2014. Today, she’s upside down, with a 46 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. In other words, her favorable ratings were dropping before the pecking ever began.

http://cookpolitical.com/story/8524

The "whole story" the Cook Political story leaves out is she has already high unfavorability ratings which isn't good not that they are staying consistent or her favorability is slowly eroding as a candidate.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
70. K&R I am overjoyed knowing how much our president is beloved in the party
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jun 2015

89% favorable for Obama is damn near identical to his support in the black community which has always been the highest among the Dem base.

This is phenomenal and makes me very happy.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
71. Ask 1000 people to rate three flavors of ice cream:
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:40 PM
Jun 2015

Chocolate
Strawberry
Cardamon

I bet Chocolate and Strawberry would get high numbers, and Cardamon would trail far behind.

WTF is Cardmon, you ask?

Exactly.

Cardamon is an essential ingredient in India, and is used chiefly to flavor creamy desserts. Hundreds of millions or people on this planet love Cardamon, but since it's relatively unknown in this country, who here would even taste it, let alone pick it?

I guess what I'm saying is that Bernie Sanders is the exotic spice in the Democractic Party's kitchen. Polls this long before the debates are little more than name recognition contests, and are comparible to asking restaurant customers to name their favorite menu item before they've tasted a single bite.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
75. I don't think that "Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa" = "the base"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

Iowa is one of the whitest states in the Union, with one of the lowest levels of immigration. White voters went for Romney in 2012 by a 20 percent margin (59% to 39%). Obama won every other demographic group by an equal or larger margin. I am not sure you actually know what "the base" is.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
86. And only 57% would vote for her if the primary were today.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jun 2015

Her support hasn't much broken 60% on that question, which makes it look like a ceiling, considering that she's a known quantity. It can only go down, and probably will as the primary season goes on. Mile wide and an inch deep.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
89. She has broken sixty percent in several national polls:
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:57 PM
Jun 2015
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


And since she received nearly 50% of Democratic primary votes in 2008 we can look at 50% as a floor.


Maybe that's why oddsmakers have made her a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination, well that and her massive lead in endorsements:


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238912-2016-hillary-endorsement-list

and her massive fund raising advantage.



She seems well positioned to win the nomination.


P.S. You implied that IA is homogeneous and not representative of the rest of the nation. You are correct so that makes it a more difficult state for Hillary because the data suggests the more heterogeneous the electorate the better she does ans she is already doing well in homogeneous Iowa.


IA should be Bernie's wheelhouse.


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