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Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa love Obama and Hillary.
These folks will play a huge role in helping to determine the next Prez.
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Theres nothing but good news in a new Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll conducted May 25-29 of likely Democratic caucus-goers.
Starting off with asking likely Democratic caucus-goers to rate their feelings from very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable about prominent Democrats, President Obama topped the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable.
Not to be totally cruel, but Democrats really messed up when they avoided standing with their President in 2014 (and I said it then, too before it was cool). POTUS is beloved by the Democratic base.
But obviously he is not running for office again, so lets dig into what the future looks like right now. Heres how 2016 looks: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rated 86% favorable to just 12% unfavorable and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) 47% favorable to 12% unfavorable.
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This means that all of the scandals and faux controversies/conspiracies about the Democratic front-runner have had no impact on the Democratic base in this poll in fact, Clinton is up one point from January as noted by Margaret Talev.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/01/good-news-poll-obama-beloved-iowa-dems-hillary-clinton-soaring.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)When I first moved to L A in 3/12 I was in Northridge, around Tampa and Parthenia and there was this guy driving a vintage 65 Mustang* with the top down blasting Beach Boys music. I thought that must have been a great time to be alive.
*I believe it was but I'm not sure.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)my late mom was living at Tampa and Parthenia until her ceiling fell on her one morning ... she survived but a bigger freaking mess you have never seen
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)We spent weeks cleaning up her place and when we were finally done they condemned the whole building and that was that. Nice place too.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I like that part of the Valley...
You have an In And Out, a Five Guys, a Dennys, an El Torito, and Marie Callendars within walking distance.
My gf and I were living at the Extended Stay.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Haven't been back there in a while but it always seems cooler in Northridge for some reason.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)A guy I know at the gym lives near Kareem Abdul Jabbar, just south of Ventura and Canoga.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)We attack Republicans constantly.
Here are some of my OP's you might have missed recently:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026762583
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026747959
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737623
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026733540
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141098937
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026702781
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026701557
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026701273
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026678550
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026678332
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Not trying to derail the topic, however, the opportunity to point out that Clinton will channel Obama due to his popularity merited the comment.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)This is a rather low key primary.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Debates start in August.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)just being seen on the same stage as Hillary legitimizes his campaign
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)putting a relatively unknown face on stage to debate the most famous woman in America is a win for Bernie - He will look good just by association. Campaigning 101.
Hillary will get none of that benefit
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I don't think Hillary gets a boost with being on stage with Bernie, that is a real put down on Bernie.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Hillary has a much higher name recognition factor than Bernie. She is practically an incumbant.
Put them on stage to debate each other, and it increases Bernie's positives.
This is why incumbants always try to limit the #of debates, and challengers always try to increase the #of debates.
I know you're trying to score some internet points by pretending like I accidentally complimented Hillary, but you're just making this silly....I said what I said because its true (Hillary is more famous than Bernie), and I write what I write because it's based on a well established concept (the challenger benefits morefrom the debate than the incumbant - and Hillary's the closed thing in the game).
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Riding on Hillary's back does not sell Bernie. I don't see Bernie as the nominee of the DNC, I have been looking forward to the debates, it is exposure of the DNC platform. I think Hillary will make a great president.
demwing
(16,916 posts)it's hard to have real a conversation with some people...
Peace
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)should sell himself.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:41 PM - Edit history (1)
I've explained my point three times, if you still aren't following this very basic concept (that the less known candidate has more opportunity to gain visibility points in a debate) then you're not really trying, or you are really trying, and I can't really be bothered.
Peace
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)This one especially but the idea that the base are TPP single issue voters -- Bernie Sanders low numbers can be explained because people know who Hillary Clinton. Favorability went from 29 to 47 from October, what's another 7 months? Plus the 41% not sure and all this points to room to grow while Clinton has no room left.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I have seen post giving because of single issues the will not vote for a certain candidate, oh yes it happens.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)unfortunately the poll didn't ask that question though so speculating that Bernie Sanders lack of numbers is due to lack of TPP support is silly. 47% favorable with 41% not sure but the 3% not sure on Hillary Clinton is more of what I mean but the unfavorable drop is a very good but josh is right that no one is paying attention to the primary yet.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)this issue.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Unions by and large back Bernie Sanders. Unions by and large are against TPP. Who was a more pro union guy than Gephardt who always did well in the Iowa polls?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I have been a union member for a long time and I hate to have to say this but the union vote was good because of the numbers of members, that number is much smaller, it does not produce a lot of votes any more. I would pay attention to the polls, Karl Rove ignored them and we see the results.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... hurting the profits of other multinational corporations trying to compete with U.S. farm exports that have been underpriced with those subsidies for so long that have displaced many South American farmers to move up here, in addition to causing problems with other entities that might try to compete with these exports.
If the U.S. government then shuts down farm subsidies, and farm exports decline or have their profits shrink, then I wonder if Iowans might care more then!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)during the debates.
There's this myth in activist circles that Democrats hate the TPP (and Keystone XL), and that a candidate that comes out strongly against them will garner massive Democratic support. But the both are supported by a majority of voters in our party, so Sanders or O'Malley would have to first change Democratic voters' minds about those projects before they could translate that opposition into policy-based votes.
(A further complication is that voters tend not to vote based on policy, but based on their emotional response to a candidate; this is a better avenue for Sanders or O'Malley to take.)
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Hmm... Supported by a "majority" of Democrats? WHERE?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Republican voters significantly oppose the TPP and Democratic voters somewhat favor it.
Supported by a "majority" of Democrats? WHERE?
Most of the country outside of activist websites.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... as the Nation points out here...
http://www.thenation.com/blog/207297/imaginary-public-support-obamas-trade-agenda#
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)All the way to the white house baby!
William769
(55,147 posts)Others not so much.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)too cute!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Must be driving the Reich wing crazy lol
And other people......
Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)President Obama will help our candidates in 2016. His popularity will have coattails.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)We need coattails big time to gain back some power in Congress and make it possible for the new democratic president to do good things for the people
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)He has long coattails.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Yay! Next year is going to be so exciting!
I live to see Republican sleeezeballs get kicked in the nads with the cold hard fact that they inhabit the bones of a dead party!
The faces on fux news when they realize Hillary is their president OMG! :-D
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)I love how you worded that response.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Thank you!
sheshe2
(83,846 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It's called Obama Derangement Syndrome!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that is going to be important in 2020.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That would be awesome
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Here's hoping.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)I genuinely believe he will be sought out more than Carter or Clinton.
As has been noted repeatedly in this thread, DEMOCRATS love Obama. And DEMOCRATS will want his support.
Cha
(297,503 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It is much more informative to look at the actual numbers than the crowing
Hillary
39 Very Favorable
46 Mostly Favorable
13 Unfavorables
2 Not Sure
Sanders
23 Very Favorable
24 Mostly Favorable
12 Unfavorables
41 Not sure
The argument that a lot of the polls reflect HRCs name recognition is shown that just 2% of people don't have an opinion. The mostly favorable could shift a little as well depending on press/gaffes/etc.
So the big news in this is that 41% of the people don't know about Sanders at all. His favorables could go up quite a bit.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That will be the big news going forward!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm hoping they run (publish) the same poll next week. That will/would be telling.
TM99
(8,352 posts)They will attack you for truthiness or some such thing next.
Yes, this is quite revealing. If, and yes I am speculating out loud, if even 16 percent of the Not Sure become Very Favorable we have a horse race.
Right now, this is name recognition. I want to see these kinds of numbers again in one week after Sanders was in Iowa this weekend and again in one month.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I don't know how the polls change over time since it is so far out. But people will find out more about him and that could be a good thing. We'll see what happens after Hillary's official kickoff.
brooklynite
(94,683 posts)Timber!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)brooklynite
(94,683 posts)Barack Obama had both generational support and the resources to campaign. Not clear yet that Bernie will.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Money may yet win. But the fact that she was inevitable last time and the same thing is the main descriptor of this campaign does not bode well. The best person at beating Hillary is Hillary.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... prior to the primaries of their elections.
Look at this video clip:
Go to 3:00 in this video:
1) Jimmy Carter started at 1% year before primary.
2) Michael Dukakis started at 1% in polls before primary.
3) Obama at 22-25% versus clinton early with LESS money than Sanders then.
4) Bill Clinton started low too.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)sheshe2
(83,846 posts)uponit7771
(90,348 posts)JI7
(89,260 posts)But what this shows is that the partu does like Clinton and Obama.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I'm curious how many Iowans aren't familiar with him yet.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Looks like Bernie's got some work to do to get his name & message out there. I expect a lot of his "not sures" to change to "favorable" once Iowans get to know him.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I wonder if the state where she came in third is buying the "evolution" and populist rhetoric. They sure liked that Muslim Kenyan last time.
Warpy
(111,319 posts)A year and a half out, that's all you're measuring.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)CTBlueboy
(154 posts)Iowa loves HRC some much; she won the Iowa Caucus in 08' right ?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And why she won't win the presidency in 2016. She had her shot and lost.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Her message is loud and clear.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And since Beau passed away just last weekend I doubt if Joe is getting a sympathy bump. Sure deserves one though ...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BTW, there's an addition error in the very last graph.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Mainly Not sure/don't know/or don't know enough categories though as far as favorability/unfavorability is concerned Bernie Sanders actually has a 41% not sure while Clinton & Biden with 2% which is why Biden has been crushing other candidates even though "he isn't even running" -- as expected when because people know who they are. Several months ago Webb & O'Malley were always ahead and Sanders polled like 7 but I feel like I'm having the same debates but with fewer names.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If 87% of likely IA Democratic caucus voters have a favorable opinion of Secretary of State Clinton and 72% of them say she is her first and second choice for president that suggests to me Senator Sanders is going to have convince a lot of voters who have a favorable opinion of her to abandon her for him.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)for Bernie Sanders. Like I said -- same debates but with fewer names the unfavorable drop from 19% to 12% is a very huge sign for Hillary Clinton I have no idea why it isn't being promoted. Probably the progressive rhetoric but the same time Sanders doubled his favorable numbers had a 13% to 12% unfavorable -- all this doesn't often mention the not/sure/don't know Webb & O'Malley used to dwarf Sanders on this category now Sanders dwarfs them but he has been spending a lot of time in Iowa and I have no idea what Webb is doing these days.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If you plot the candidates on an ideological plane Biden and Webb would be closer to Clinton than Sanders so it is logical to assume their support would go to Clinton if they aren't on the ballot.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)abandoning them for Bernie Sanders but where are they now? Abandoning is completely the wrong way to look at polls but you are assuming the people polled are as informed as lefty bloggers or paying attention to this as much as we are. The bottom line overall is no one is paying attention to the primary and Republican polls are far more detailed but they are recently starting to ask more questions on Bernie Sanders. 7 months from today who knows what changes we'll see -- certainly Hillary Clinton's advantages in Iowa anyway hasn't dropped but increased so odds are in her favor no doubt.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But there are reasons beyond polls which are ephemeral that make HRC a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination and that is endorsements, money, and organization. In fact you can say at this time those factors are more suggestive of what is to come.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Among a poll of Democrats
Just sayin'
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Its a snap shot but there is nothing in that poll that would suggest there's a foundation for an upset.
We'll see...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)But it's simple ostriching for Sanders supporters to pretend it's not a problem...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,237 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, how much money a candidate has. Or, if they're "dead broke". Or, endorsements by celebrities.
I base my vote on their records, their positions, and their principles.
And, the amount of injury my nose will have to endure.
rpannier
(24,333 posts)I don't think the President could have saved Braley in Iowa or Pryor in Arkansas
Bill Clinton practically moved to Arkansas to campaign for Pryor and ir didn't save him.
You'd have a pretty tough time arguing that Obama is more popular with Arkansas voters than Clinton is
As to Braley, his campaign was a mess.
His dismissive comment about farmers hurt him as did his "I've never met Bloomberg." statement that was met two days later with a photo of him sitting next to Bloomberg
Harkin, the most popular person in Iowa was didn't show up and campaign for him (Yet, it was Harkin who cleared the field for him to run)
Arkansas was a lost cause and Iowa was a poorly run campaign.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Cha
(297,503 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I've read reports on that poll all day but stupid internet filter is blocking access to the site and this article for some reason but they also block the ads at DU oh nevermind Business week has it oh and-- http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2015-05-30/150601_dem_final_365871.pdf
Anyways as you can see how many points Bernie Sanders moved and I see where "scandals" and faux conspiracies come from A, B, or C. A just a little -- what's in those diplomatic cables interests me more. C does a lot but simply with the way the question is phrased "accepting donations from foreign governments" leaves out who, their background and I mean really their background but I read an article with a hilarious ISIS photo earlier (ISIS (hearts) George Bush) with the quote "Is it our support of the Saudi royals and other secular dictators..." really showed he doesn't have a clue who they are to call them a secular dictator. The King of Morocco is promoted as a lovable secular dictator but what's wrong with Saharawi who reject Wahabbism in more ways than one? They're lefties -- that's why.
Nigeria Labour union protests Moroccos colonization of Western Sahara
The Nigeria Labour Congress on Monday in Abuja demanded that Morocco put an end to its colonisation of Western Sahara.
The NLC President, Ayuba Wabba, made the call during a protest match under the broad platform of the Nigeria Movement for Solidarity with the Western Sahara.
The platform comprises the Nigerian students from University of Abuja and Nasarawa State University, Amilcar Cabal Ideological School, Centre for Popular Education and Partners for Electoral Reform.
Others are Socialist Workers League and Protest to Power Movement, among others.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/184186-nigeria-labour-union-protests-moroccos-colonization-of-western-sahara.html
Morocco and Saudi Arabia -- two foreign governments that donated to the Clinton Foundation I'm sure for humanitarian charity reasons -- Morocco is part of the Saudi-coalition bombing the shit out of a religious minority in Yemen. I wish the public knew more on world events rather than whats promoted on the nightly news. They really are unaware of a lot of horrifying shit.
Anyways my take away from is her unfavorable rating dropped rather than increased which is a very good sign -- it is the unfavorability ratings that are more predictive or the surpluses on national polls Hillary Clinton lost her meager surplus not long ago
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However, the dip in Hillarys approval ratings hasnt happened overnight. In fact, its been slowly degrading since the end of 2013. After peaking in November of 2012 at 58 percent, her favorable rating has drifted slowly back to earth, hitting 49 percent in November of 2013 and 47 percent in December of 2014. Today, shes upside down, with a 46 percent favorable to 48 percent unfavorable. In other words, her favorable ratings were dropping before the pecking ever began.
http://cookpolitical.com/story/8524
The "whole story" the Cook Political story leaves out is she has already high unfavorability ratings which isn't good not that they are staying consistent or her favorability is slowly eroding as a candidate.
Number23
(24,544 posts)89% favorable for Obama is damn near identical to his support in the black community which has always been the highest among the Dem base.
This is phenomenal and makes me very happy.
Cha
(297,503 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Chocolate
Strawberry
Cardamon
I bet Chocolate and Strawberry would get high numbers, and Cardamon would trail far behind.
WTF is Cardmon, you ask?
Exactly.
Cardamon is an essential ingredient in India, and is used chiefly to flavor creamy desserts. Hundreds of millions or people on this planet love Cardamon, but since it's relatively unknown in this country, who here would even taste it, let alone pick it?
I guess what I'm saying is that Bernie Sanders is the exotic spice in the Democractic Party's kitchen. Polls this long before the debates are little more than name recognition contests, and are comparible to asking restaurant customers to name their favorite menu item before they've tasted a single bite.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)really nails what I have been trying to say for awhile now.q
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Iowa is one of the whitest states in the Union, with one of the lowest levels of immigration. White voters went for Romney in 2012 by a 20 percent margin (59% to 39%). Obama won every other demographic group by an equal or larger margin. I am not sure you actually know what "the base" is.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Her support hasn't much broken 60% on that question, which makes it look like a ceiling, considering that she's a known quantity. It can only go down, and probably will as the primary season goes on. Mile wide and an inch deep.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And since she received nearly 50% of Democratic primary votes in 2008 we can look at 50% as a floor.
Maybe that's why oddsmakers have made her a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination, well that and her massive lead in endorsements:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238912-2016-hillary-endorsement-list
and her massive fund raising advantage.
She seems well positioned to win the nomination.
P.S. You implied that IA is homogeneous and not representative of the rest of the nation. You are correct so that makes it a more difficult state for Hillary because the data suggests the more heterogeneous the electorate the better she does ans she is already doing well in homogeneous Iowa.
IA should be Bernie's wheelhouse.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And that includes the polls released today.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I suspect they won't look the same.
Cha
(297,503 posts)Mahalo Cali!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I don't expect drunks to stop drinking on their own.